The miracle is that it lasted this long. You try to Kamikaze another economy with terror sanctions, but still expect them to satisfy your energy needs?
I love how the arrogant and criminal political class in the West simply assumed that Putin would abide by their 'maximum price' for gas and oil. They've never heard anything but "yes, Master" from their own populations or anyone in the world.
Russia needed to keep the cash coming in while it negotiated deals with India and China. I would also imagine that they wanted to keep some of the fools in Germany clinging to the infantile hope that the gas was going to keep flowing through winter.
The reason I can't entirely be blackpilled about the future is that while the Regime overlords may be quite capable at navigating the Leviathan bureaucracy, they are so disconnected from reality that they constantly fail to understand basic cause and effect.
So when something they didn't expect to happen happens, they're unprepared to handle it because no one thought to work up a contingency plan for it. Which puts them on their back foot as they have to scramble to come up with something.
They really can't think beyond ''I'll just punish them and call them racists and they will do as they are told''.
Didn't work against Russia. Now they have nothing because solutions take years to implement, and they deeply-fucked themselves with Globalism and mass migration.
The only plan I know of is for the US to ship liquified natural gas to Europe. I don't think we have the ships to do it or if Europe has the infrastructure to receive it, however.
I like how you struggle through the logistics of moving a commodity as if it were available to share in the first place. Its this kind of assumption that leads to the very problems being faced now.
Have no resources.
Write massive checks with words your ass cant cash.
This is the outcome that they desired. They (the elite ruling class of Europe) wants their populace dead. Most of them anyway. The rest will be shackled and exploited ruthlessly as a productive slave class. It's a win-win-win: win for Putin and BRICS, win for the elites, and a win for every red-blooded anglo-hating American. Freeze motherfuckers. Die.
So now it's a test of if Germany was lying about how much gas it's stockpiled as Putin won't back down.
If they aren't 100% on the level about their supply they're really screwed as they either have to give in to Russia which shows them as weak or let people freeze which might actually get Germans pissed enough to turn on their own establishment.
Never happened, and it never will. Valkyrie aside, even rank-and-file communists and Social Democrats were appalled by the assassination attempt on Hitler, which only empowered him further.
This is why people calling for political assassinations are idiots.
(Yes, I know you weren't talking about assassination, but I thought it was relevant.)
It's always been one of the most dangerous jobs, and yet people have always lined up for it. And the more dangerous it is, the worse the caliber of people who will line up for it.
''Hahaha stupid Russia, I have all the gas I need stockpiled to outlast your decline to sell more to us! Hahaha, so it's pointless to stop selling to us! Hahaha! Better keep selling to us anyway!''
Russia :
''Niet.''
Germany :
''... Scheiße. Well citizens, time for another lockdown, blackouts and it's a crime to heat your house above 65F. Also, anyone protesting is a Russian bot and will be jailed.''
Just you wait the diverse migrants start ''protesting'' in German cities. cheff kiss
First of all, the Communists opposed the Weimar government and supported the Nazis in dismantling it.
Secondly, the Weimarians never purged the army, civil service or judiciary from monarchists. The deep state was firmly on the side of the opponents of the Weimar regime.
Finally, the end of Weimar came when establishment titan Franz von Papen persuaded Hindenburg's son to have his senile father appoint the "Bohemian corporal" chancellor, and thought he could keep Hitler under control.
Anyway, my comment was about the population rising up against the regime, not elite substitution. Germans are law-abiding people, and that is why the Nazis made a great show of legality.
He has tried so hard to be accommodating. Its actually quite endearing. The children in charge of europe are acting like petulant teenage girls. Still doesn’t mean they get the car this weekend. Oh really? You’ll do it anyway? Ok then. Car is in the shop for the weekend. Now what smart stuff?
Remember the "Russia is just a gas station" rhetoric? Well the thing about gas stations is it's "just a gas station" until your car is low on gas and there aren't any around. Then it becomes rather important that you find one.
I am sure people on here already know that I am cutting against the grain of this forum by taking Ukraine's side in the war. But with that said, I have to say:
WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU THINK WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, YOU ABSOLUTE BABOONS!!!!
No shit they cut you off! This is war! You dont keep supplying your enemy in the event of a war. Especially if its something vital they rely one and have few options to get from elsewhere. Hey, remember that guy with the heavy tan and weird tupee saying "Hey, Russia is a threat. Maybe you should look for new sources of oil and gas. Like the US."
Oh wait, thats right. I remember those smug European pricks smirking and laughing it up over how dumb he was. So you know what? Let them freeze. And I hope that when they come crawling to us for help, we have someone in power who will tell them to get fucked with rusty barbwire.
The hubris of the elite abounds. But that is why we will win.
Your opinion is incoherent. If it was stupid to expect Russia to continue selling gas and oil to Europe while they fight a proxy war against Russia, then it was also stupid for Europe to advance NATO (and nuclear weapons) to Russia‘s doorstep. In both cases, western hubris assumes that Russia has no right to self-governance or survival.
Russia has no claim to say what alliances Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, etc get to enter into; bordering Russia does not make them part of Russia.
Except that obviously they do have that claim, because look around you. They're claiming it, and what exactly are you going to do about it?
Attempting to build up your (belligerent) alliance up to someone's doorstep, when they have the ability to defend themselves against this, is retard diplomacy.
If a man across a field swings his fist I dont care. If a man 3 feet from me swings his fist I'll tell him to knock it off. If he doesnt the escalation is required. You dont have to wait until you are on the ground bleeding to deal with a reasonable threat.
Are you saying the US should have just said "well we dont like it but cant do anything" when the USSR made moves to arm up Cuba?
Sure. Philosophically that's true. But welcome to geopolitics. Poland already doesn't do what Poland wants to do in this respect. Poland does whatever the US State Department wants it to. The same goes for every other country. You either belong to the US sphere of influence or Russia's (or China elsewhere).
You think Mexico and Canada would be free to join a Russian led anti-United States military alliance?
The real world isn't a moralistic debate about who should or shouldn't have claim to X, Y, and Z, it's a game of raw power. Whoever has it, wields it. Right and wrong doesn't need to factor into that calculus at all.
Exactly. I always see people bring up how its terrible that all these countries joined NATO and that is a threat to Russia. But I never see those same people stopping to ask why they join NATO.
But I suppose it is irrational. After all, none of those nations have histories with Russia. None of them have any reason at all to hate Russia. They definitely werent oppressed for centuries and are now saying "Never again" at the concept of Russian aggression. And If something like that happened, I am sure it would not make them want to join a military alliance for the purpose of protection. It would also have nothing to do with seeing threats of Russian aggression and responding with "Do it pussy! Make my fucking day!"
It really is a mystery why Poland, the Czechs, the Slovenians, the various Baltic states, and others are giving Ukraine just about every weapon that isnt nailed down, with a note attached saying "Give'em hell!"
You don’t shit where you eat. When Ukraine falls, tag you’re it. Nobody wants that musical chair as bullwark against the east. Still doesn’t mean Putins not making the right moves. Sucks, but this order was placed before it was served.
I dont understand what you mean. None of them want to be part of Russia, and so they will all fight for their freedom. If Russia wants someplace to not "shit where they eat", they can go to Belarus (who is the only former Soviet state that actually likes Russia). Every other nation in that region would sooner burn it all to the ground than go back to Russia. And quite frankly, I dont fucking blame them. And even if they lose, I hope they drag millions of vatniks to hell before they fall.
Nations aren't people and don't have wants. I know it's a turn of phrase, but im just saying there are plenty of people in Ukraine who dont want the war to go on any longer.
The Ukrainians didn't want the war to continue, which is why they elected a pacifist on the platform to end it (he practically did, as the trenches largely fell completely silent and even in the country people have forgot about the frozen conflict).
Then they were betrayed by Russia that all of sudden invaded their country full scale for no reason, after lying they're not going to do it, and murdered the lot of them, and so their mood has changed.
That's including the once marginal Nationalists (with 0 seats in the parliament) becoming the dominant political force, and dominant in the military and other force structures too.
There are no NATO nuclear weapons at "Russia‘s doorstep", but there have been Russian nuclear at NATO's doorstep all the time for decades.
Not only that, but in the 1990s America had paid Ukraine to either transfer to Russia or destroy all of their nuclear weapons and related infrastructure (beginning 1994 and completed in 2002). And Ukraine used to be the third strongest nuclear power in the entire world, after America and Russia.
There are enough of us on here to break the mold, but the overwhelming majority of comments I see on here are favoring Russia to varying degrees. I think the only two of us who are hardcore Pro-Ukraine (to the point of "Burn Russia to the Ground!") are me and SupremeReader.
I honestly dont care. They are allowed to believe stupid things. The only thing that makes me sad is that Ukraine might fail in the end because the West is currently being lead by baboon-brained retards, who are more interested in ideology than actually practicing Realpolitik. So they are using this as an excuse to both try and beat Russia and enforce their cultural hegemon over the West. Which will just result in backlash and new governments. And those governments will give power back to their citizens and end their suffering, but probably snap back too hard and throw Ukraine to the wolves (1).
But when that happens, the only one I will seek to damn are the Western Fabian Elitist who let it happen. And hope that one day Ukraine can rise up to throw off its chain again, like Poland before them.
(1): Sidenote: The obvious answer here is to keep giving Ukraine weapons but stop with the money transfers. But the Elites wont do that because they are still using it for money laundering. And a Populist Revolt government may just say "Fuck it all. Let them burn, while we take care of our own." Which is not an unreasonable response after what has been done to our nations. I am just ashamed and upset that it had to come to that, because our Elites care more about their own vanity and egos than being pragmatic statesmen. Which matches the leaders Pre-WW1 now that I think about it.
There are enough of us on here to break the mold, but the overwhelming majority of comments I see on here are favoring Russia to varying degrees.
No, I think the majority of the comments are, "fuck them both, I don't really care. It's not my fight."
And now, because everybody on the side of Ukraine (in other words, everybody on the side of the corrupt western leftist agenda) has forced us to make it our fight, we're reaping the results.
I respond to most of the Ukraine-shills with mockery because they're just so cartoonishly unhinged. (Hooray! Ukraine was able to blow up their own bridge! They're winning!) There is no such delusion on the so-called pro-Russian side that I've observed.
Those who are pro russia in this are not so because they are anti-Ukraine. I love Ukraine and its people, and its one of the most beautiful places on earth. Ukraine has been made a political whore by the globalist hegemony. I see a russian victory as saving her from her traffickers.
More like a rival group of trafficker's killing the first group so they could kidnap you for themselves.
Russia has made it very clear, especially with their "republics" they established. This is about rebirthing the Soviet Union. Just like Putin said. After all, it is the "worst event of the 20th century" that the Union collapsed. Of course, if you ask the Polish, Ukrainians, Baltics, and Czechs disagree. But that doesnt matter! The Russians are offended! So we need to forcibly give them back over to Russia because they said so!
Once again, I am sure its is merely a coincidence that some of the only nations in NATO that actually pay their debts and train the militaries are the ones that are near Russia.
Who is getting blood on our hands? You are right, world policing doesnt work. You cant make people believe things they dont want to believe themselves. But we have a nation who wants to be free, and is fighting to prove it. So have at it. Give them the guns they need to fight for their own freedom. Whats so ignoble about that?
Edit: In related news from Germany: one of the worldwide largest steel producers just shut down two foundries (which employed 8500 people), and an almost 100 year old toilet paper manufacturer (Hakle) declared bankrupty, both due to energy costs.
Germany get what they deserve for shutting down their landlocked nuclear plants because a tsunami hit one on the other side of the hemisphere. As do France and every other EU nation that were stupid enough to listen to Greenpeace and other morons.
Upper estimates can sometimes say 20 years but that's likely not entirely accurate as it probably includes a lot of the planning stages beyond the actual construction. Then again using larger numbers like that to dissuade the general public isn't exactly a new thing and if ever called out on it the phrasing is still "technically correct".
pretty sure Europeans would be capable of putting a Notre Dame with a nuke reactor in it in every capital city in Europe in a year if nobody tried to fill their pockets in the process
Thing is:people who own them said they can start again without issues. The retarded lefty green coalition will not allow it though when the supposed """right wing""" were not up for it(in quotes because the CDU/CSU has got nothing to do with conservatism, if they did they would form a coalition with the afd).
It is greatly frustrating that humans unlocked the secret to cheap, clean and unlimited energy a lifetime ago and then just stopped using it because of histrionic bitches.
The Germans are making noises about re-activating their reactors despite the Green fascists and the usual mealymouthed claims from politicians: https://archive.ph/MPzZU
WEF-controlled European leaders laughed at Trump a few years ago when he warned them they were wreckless to snob energy independance and depend so much on Russia to provide for them.
Well you got what you voted for, globalist NPCs.
You keep comiting collective suicide to avoid being called a racist, and point the finger calling other political options racist. And you get called a racist too anyway. Bravo.
As they should. First the EU tried to weaponize trade and even SWIFT against Russia, and now even price caps on Russian gas in the middle of an energy crisis? Which sane businessmen would not strengthen trade with more friendlier partners (India, China, etc.) Instead?
Yup. The US could handle all that crazy spending because their Reserve-Currency-Dollar is in Companies and Governments banks and reserves around the world. Once BRICS gets is own (and they are making progress), that would mean that all these Dollars are starting to flow back to the US. This could get Great Depression-Tier, if not even Weimar-Tier for the US (which will further devalue the Dollar of course)
Russia might be doing europe a favor. Making europeans suffer a bit to bring them back to reality. Nothing like hardship and survival to make people realize what is priority.
Russia has just had 6 months to calmly divert and restruct its gas infrastructure to China and India. The US in a way is the winner of this Ukrainian War: the EU is now completely dependent on its gas and oil. Good job. The US will transform Europe in an extention of the Middle East and North Africa.
I swear Putin is hoping that the EU and the rest of NATO screws itself over by aggressively catering to the regressive left and fellow globalist overlords, starting civil wars that destabilize everything.
I doubt that Germany will be left to freeze by the US. The US will export what it can, but prices will still remain high thanks to distance and the Biden Admins insistence that energy can only come from wind and sky.
LNG tankers are the only way to get gas to Europe from the US and they have been running at max capacity for some time. Simply shipping extra production overseas is simply not feasible in a short time frame.
The miracle is that it lasted this long. You try to Kamikaze another economy with terror sanctions, but still expect them to satisfy your energy needs?
I love how the arrogant and criminal political class in the West simply assumed that Putin would abide by their 'maximum price' for gas and oil. They've never heard anything but "yes, Master" from their own populations or anyone in the world.
Russia needed to keep the cash coming in while it negotiated deals with India and China. I would also imagine that they wanted to keep some of the fools in Germany clinging to the infantile hope that the gas was going to keep flowing through winter.
The reason I can't entirely be blackpilled about the future is that while the Regime overlords may be quite capable at navigating the Leviathan bureaucracy, they are so disconnected from reality that they constantly fail to understand basic cause and effect.
So when something they didn't expect to happen happens, they're unprepared to handle it because no one thought to work up a contingency plan for it. Which puts them on their back foot as they have to scramble to come up with something.
But they do have a plan. Economic lockdowns, rolling blackouts and beating their native populations untill they stop protesting.
There are too many foreigners in Europe to successfully do that, the chimpout from turkroaches in Germany will be absolutely immense.
God, that's a depressing observation but you're probably right.
They really can't think beyond ''I'll just punish them and call them racists and they will do as they are told''.
Didn't work against Russia. Now they have nothing because solutions take years to implement, and they deeply-fucked themselves with Globalism and mass migration.
The only plan I know of is for the US to ship liquified natural gas to Europe. I don't think we have the ships to do it or if Europe has the infrastructure to receive it, however.
I like how you struggle through the logistics of moving a commodity as if it were available to share in the first place. Its this kind of assumption that leads to the very problems being faced now.
Have no resources.
Write massive checks with words your ass cant cash.
Call dad, or in this instance, the United States.
The Duran report on yt is good about Ukraine.
Have I been duped? This possibility makes me think they have it coming for forming and following the EU.
This is the outcome that they desired. They (the elite ruling class of Europe) wants their populace dead. Most of them anyway. The rest will be shackled and exploited ruthlessly as a productive slave class. It's a win-win-win: win for Putin and BRICS, win for the elites, and a win for every red-blooded anglo-hating American. Freeze motherfuckers. Die.
Oh, they don't respect us that much. They're indifferent to our deaths.
Sniff...
They dont care about them. They need them. Dead.
Unfortunately for them it's the kind of action that causes revolutions. Maybe they think they can control it, but chaos creates opportunity.
So now it's a test of if Germany was lying about how much gas it's stockpiled as Putin won't back down.
If they aren't 100% on the level about their supply they're really screwed as they either have to give in to Russia which shows them as weak or let people freeze which might actually get Germans pissed enough to turn on their own establishment.
It was always clearly bullshit. Even if they filled their gas storage 100% that’s only like 30% of the total supply used in an average winter.
Not to mention that Germany also has to supply all those neighboring countries that refused to buy gas from Russia, like Poland.
Germans, turning on their own establishment?
Never happened, and it never will. Valkyrie aside, even rank-and-file communists and Social Democrats were appalled by the assassination attempt on Hitler, which only empowered him further.
This is why people calling for political assassinations are idiots.
(Yes, I know you weren't talking about assassination, but I thought it was relevant.)
Indeed. You need political mass murders of entire rooms of politicians. Saddam Hussein understood this.
That also only works if you are in power.
Excluded from power, it would not work. There is nothing more replaceable than a politician.
If politician becomes one of the most dangerous jobs, people will stop lining up for it.
It's always been one of the most dangerous jobs, and yet people have always lined up for it. And the more dangerous it is, the worse the caliber of people who will line up for it.
Or at the very least cowardly cretins will stop lining up for it.
God I despise the caliber of individual that inhabits our political system these days.
Germany :
Russia :
Germany :
Just you wait the diverse migrants start ''protesting'' in German cities. cheff kiss
What about when the Weimar government was defeated and replaced in the 1920s? Were those communists not "the establishment" of their time?
It wasn't, and they weren't.
First of all, the Communists opposed the Weimar government and supported the Nazis in dismantling it.
Secondly, the Weimarians never purged the army, civil service or judiciary from monarchists. The deep state was firmly on the side of the opponents of the Weimar regime.
Finally, the end of Weimar came when establishment titan Franz von Papen persuaded Hindenburg's son to have his senile father appoint the "Bohemian corporal" chancellor, and thought he could keep Hitler under control.
Anyway, my comment was about the population rising up against the regime, not elite substitution. Germans are law-abiding people, and that is why the Nazis made a great show of legality.
Well put.
The Nazi's didn't just make a show of legality. They were a very legalistic regime, with a massive court apparatus.
You expect the lefty green coalition to actually have had some brain? Brave of you to assume.
How about the leafy green cauliflower coalition? Cauliflowers sorta look like brains.
Do they have one? I doubt it... Might be they seek one than it would make sense again.
He has tried so hard to be accommodating. Its actually quite endearing. The children in charge of europe are acting like petulant teenage girls. Still doesn’t mean they get the car this weekend. Oh really? You’ll do it anyway? Ok then. Car is in the shop for the weekend. Now what smart stuff?
He's tried to be accommodating so that Europeans know who to blame when the sky falls down on us.
Whether it will work is another matter.
Well right? Its not his fault.
Well yeah, but there are tons of Putin Derangement Syndrome idiots who think Putin is bad because the TV told them so.
Fitting as most leaders in Europe are women (adult children)
They don't act like petulant teenage girls. They are petulant teenage girls.
Remember the "Russia is just a gas station" rhetoric? Well the thing about gas stations is it's "just a gas station" until your car is low on gas and there aren't any around. Then it becomes rather important that you find one.
“It’s just a gas station.”
“You’re not even a real bank.”
Its Maam!
It's almost as if money is just a piece of paper and commodities like natural gas and crude oil have real value.
I believe Putin even made this exact point recently in a speech.
I am sure people on here already know that I am cutting against the grain of this forum by taking Ukraine's side in the war. But with that said, I have to say:
WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU THINK WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, YOU ABSOLUTE BABOONS!!!!
No shit they cut you off! This is war! You dont keep supplying your enemy in the event of a war. Especially if its something vital they rely one and have few options to get from elsewhere. Hey, remember that guy with the heavy tan and weird tupee saying "Hey, Russia is a threat. Maybe you should look for new sources of oil and gas. Like the US."
Oh wait, thats right. I remember those smug European pricks smirking and laughing it up over how dumb he was. So you know what? Let them freeze. And I hope that when they come crawling to us for help, we have someone in power who will tell them to get fucked with rusty barbwire.
The hubris of the elite abounds. But that is why we will win.
Your opinion is incoherent. If it was stupid to expect Russia to continue selling gas and oil to Europe while they fight a proxy war against Russia, then it was also stupid for Europe to advance NATO (and nuclear weapons) to Russia‘s doorstep. In both cases, western hubris assumes that Russia has no right to self-governance or survival.
Russia has no claim to say what alliances Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, etc get to enter into; bordering Russia does not make them part of Russia.
Except that obviously they do have that claim, because look around you. They're claiming it, and what exactly are you going to do about it?
Attempting to build up your (belligerent) alliance up to someone's doorstep, when they have the ability to defend themselves against this, is retard diplomacy.
If a man across a field swings his fist I dont care. If a man 3 feet from me swings his fist I'll tell him to knock it off. If he doesnt the escalation is required. You dont have to wait until you are on the ground bleeding to deal with a reasonable threat.
Are you saying the US should have just said "well we dont like it but cant do anything" when the USSR made moves to arm up Cuba?
You appear confused, or you're replying to the wrong person.
Sure. Philosophically that's true. But welcome to geopolitics. Poland already doesn't do what Poland wants to do in this respect. Poland does whatever the US State Department wants it to. The same goes for every other country. You either belong to the US sphere of influence or Russia's (or China elsewhere).
You think Mexico and Canada would be free to join a Russian led anti-United States military alliance?
The real world isn't a moralistic debate about who should or shouldn't have claim to X, Y, and Z, it's a game of raw power. Whoever has it, wields it. Right and wrong doesn't need to factor into that calculus at all.
Exactly. I always see people bring up how its terrible that all these countries joined NATO and that is a threat to Russia. But I never see those same people stopping to ask why they join NATO.
But I suppose it is irrational. After all, none of those nations have histories with Russia. None of them have any reason at all to hate Russia. They definitely werent oppressed for centuries and are now saying "Never again" at the concept of Russian aggression. And If something like that happened, I am sure it would not make them want to join a military alliance for the purpose of protection. It would also have nothing to do with seeing threats of Russian aggression and responding with "Do it pussy! Make my fucking day!"
It really is a mystery why Poland, the Czechs, the Slovenians, the various Baltic states, and others are giving Ukraine just about every weapon that isnt nailed down, with a note attached saying "Give'em hell!"
You don’t shit where you eat. When Ukraine falls, tag you’re it. Nobody wants that musical chair as bullwark against the east. Still doesn’t mean Putins not making the right moves. Sucks, but this order was placed before it was served.
I dont understand what you mean. None of them want to be part of Russia, and so they will all fight for their freedom. If Russia wants someplace to not "shit where they eat", they can go to Belarus (who is the only former Soviet state that actually likes Russia). Every other nation in that region would sooner burn it all to the ground than go back to Russia. And quite frankly, I dont fucking blame them. And even if they lose, I hope they drag millions of vatniks to hell before they fall.
Nations aren't people and don't have wants. I know it's a turn of phrase, but im just saying there are plenty of people in Ukraine who dont want the war to go on any longer.
The Ukrainians didn't want the war to continue, which is why they elected a pacifist on the platform to end it (he practically did, as the trenches largely fell completely silent and even in the country people have forgot about the frozen conflict).
Then they were betrayed by Russia that all of sudden invaded their country full scale for no reason, after lying they're not going to do it, and murdered the lot of them, and so their mood has changed.
That's including the once marginal Nationalists (with 0 seats in the parliament) becoming the dominant political force, and dominant in the military and other force structures too.
I can dig your irony.
There are no NATO nuclear weapons at "Russia‘s doorstep", but there have been Russian nuclear at NATO's doorstep all the time for decades.
Not only that, but in the 1990s America had paid Ukraine to either transfer to Russia or destroy all of their nuclear weapons and related infrastructure (beginning 1994 and completed in 2002). And Ukraine used to be the third strongest nuclear power in the entire world, after America and Russia.
Whoa hold on now. That's President Trump's real hair, he doesn't wear a toupee.
Given the opinions on Russia I've seen here lately, I wouldn't say that statement is accurate.
There are enough of us on here to break the mold, but the overwhelming majority of comments I see on here are favoring Russia to varying degrees. I think the only two of us who are hardcore Pro-Ukraine (to the point of "Burn Russia to the Ground!") are me and SupremeReader.
I honestly dont care. They are allowed to believe stupid things. The only thing that makes me sad is that Ukraine might fail in the end because the West is currently being lead by baboon-brained retards, who are more interested in ideology than actually practicing Realpolitik. So they are using this as an excuse to both try and beat Russia and enforce their cultural hegemon over the West. Which will just result in backlash and new governments. And those governments will give power back to their citizens and end their suffering, but probably snap back too hard and throw Ukraine to the wolves (1).
But when that happens, the only one I will seek to damn are the Western Fabian Elitist who let it happen. And hope that one day Ukraine can rise up to throw off its chain again, like Poland before them.
(1): Sidenote: The obvious answer here is to keep giving Ukraine weapons but stop with the money transfers. But the Elites wont do that because they are still using it for money laundering. And a Populist Revolt government may just say "Fuck it all. Let them burn, while we take care of our own." Which is not an unreasonable response after what has been done to our nations. I am just ashamed and upset that it had to come to that, because our Elites care more about their own vanity and egos than being pragmatic statesmen. Which matches the leaders Pre-WW1 now that I think about it.
No, I think the majority of the comments are, "fuck them both, I don't really care. It's not my fight."
And now, because everybody on the side of Ukraine (in other words, everybody on the side of the corrupt western leftist agenda) has forced us to make it our fight, we're reaping the results.
I respond to most of the Ukraine-shills with mockery because they're just so cartoonishly unhinged. (Hooray! Ukraine was able to blow up their own bridge! They're winning!) There is no such delusion on the so-called pro-Russian side that I've observed.
Those who are pro russia in this are not so because they are anti-Ukraine. I love Ukraine and its people, and its one of the most beautiful places on earth. Ukraine has been made a political whore by the globalist hegemony. I see a russian victory as saving her from her traffickers.
More like a rival group of trafficker's killing the first group so they could kidnap you for themselves.
Russia has made it very clear, especially with their "republics" they established. This is about rebirthing the Soviet Union. Just like Putin said. After all, it is the "worst event of the 20th century" that the Union collapsed. Of course, if you ask the Polish, Ukrainians, Baltics, and Czechs disagree. But that doesnt matter! The Russians are offended! So we need to forcibly give them back over to Russia because they said so!
Once again, I am sure its is merely a coincidence that some of the only nations in NATO that actually pay their debts and train the militaries are the ones that are near Russia.
Use your own money then to send to Ukraine for guns. I don't want blood on my hands cause you want to play world police again.
Who is getting blood on our hands? You are right, world policing doesnt work. You cant make people believe things they dont want to believe themselves. But we have a nation who wants to be free, and is fighting to prove it. So have at it. Give them the guns they need to fight for their own freedom. Whats so ignoble about that?
Nation fighting for freedom? If that's what you wanna believe lol
No problem, I can take all the orc blood from you to have it on my hands.
* kichert * Ich bin in Gefahr.
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Edit: In related news from Germany: one of the worldwide largest steel producers just shut down two foundries (which employed 8500 people), and an almost 100 year old toilet paper manufacturer (Hakle) declared bankrupty, both due to energy costs.
Germany get what they deserve for shutting down their landlocked nuclear plants because a tsunami hit one on the other side of the hemisphere. As do France and every other EU nation that were stupid enough to listen to Greenpeace and other morons.
Yep. Probably takes like what?? 3 to 5 years to build and get a nuclear power plant online if there is no red tape??
Upper estimates can sometimes say 20 years but that's likely not entirely accurate as it probably includes a lot of the planning stages beyond the actual construction. Then again using larger numbers like that to dissuade the general public isn't exactly a new thing and if ever called out on it the phrasing is still "technically correct".
I don't think anybody has any idea how long it actually takes to build a nuclear power plant without artificial constraints put on the process.
pretty sure Europeans would be capable of putting a Notre Dame with a nuke reactor in it in every capital city in Europe in a year if nobody tried to fill their pockets in the process
Thing is:people who own them said they can start again without issues. The retarded lefty green coalition will not allow it though when the supposed """right wing""" were not up for it(in quotes because the CDU/CSU has got nothing to do with conservatism, if they did they would form a coalition with the afd).
They've made the whole process and bureaucracy so bad it takes decades to start pouring the concrete, if you can even get that far.
It is greatly frustrating that humans unlocked the secret to cheap, clean and unlimited energy a lifetime ago and then just stopped using it because of histrionic bitches.
The Germans are making noises about re-activating their reactors despite the Green fascists and the usual mealymouthed claims from politicians: https://archive.ph/MPzZU
So let me get this scenario straight — We’re gonna have freezing, unemployed, shit covered germans with an ammunition shortage?
Im sure it will be fine.
The Germans can wipe their asses with pine cones while they search for firewood.
WEF-controlled European leaders laughed at Trump a few years ago when he warned them they were wreckless to snob energy independance and depend so much on Russia to provide for them.
Well you got what you voted for, globalist NPCs.
You keep comiting collective suicide to avoid being called a racist, and point the finger calling other political options racist. And you get called a racist too anyway. Bravo.
As they should. First the EU tried to weaponize trade and even SWIFT against Russia, and now even price caps on Russian gas in the middle of an energy crisis? Which sane businessmen would not strengthen trade with more friendlier partners (India, China, etc.) Instead?
Once BRICS get their own reserve currency up, it's GG for the US Dollar. You think inflation's bad now? You ain't seen shit.
Yup. The US could handle all that crazy spending because their Reserve-Currency-Dollar is in Companies and Governments banks and reserves around the world. Once BRICS gets is own (and they are making progress), that would mean that all these Dollars are starting to flow back to the US. This could get Great Depression-Tier, if not even Weimar-Tier for the US (which will further devalue the Dollar of course)
"That means it's working!"
Russia might be doing europe a favor. Making europeans suffer a bit to bring them back to reality. Nothing like hardship and survival to make people realize what is priority.
Russia has just had 6 months to calmly divert and restruct its gas infrastructure to China and India. The US in a way is the winner of this Ukrainian War: the EU is now completely dependent on its gas and oil. Good job. The US will transform Europe in an extention of the Middle East and North Africa.
We have less independence than the Middle East and North Africa.
They haven't been nearly as obedient.
Tell me you haven't seen London and Paris in the last 10 or so years without telling me you haven't seen London or Paris in the last 10 or so years.
This is a beautiful, unexpected miracle. A ray of love shining down from the heavens. A gift from the all-mighty creator.
I sip coffee, warm and content, knowing that the stupid, stupid retarded leftists will freeze and die this winter. God bless.
About time.
He needs to charge them a "reconnection fee" as well.
The west is over. Hopefully neoliberals will face their physical extermination soon.
What?! Windmills and solar can't compensate?! Watermelon feminists told me it would one!one!!1
I swear Putin is hoping that the EU and the rest of NATO screws itself over by aggressively catering to the regressive left and fellow globalist overlords, starting civil wars that destabilize everything.
Best possible outcome. With a bit of luck this will lead to the dissolution of the EU.
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Good for them.
oh no that sucks
Putin should, and this is very on brand since he loves to troll, tell them to buy electric vehicles.
At least the battery fire will keep them warm for the winter. 500°C warm, to be precise.
LNG tankers are the only way to get gas to Europe from the US and they have been running at max capacity for some time. Simply shipping extra production overseas is simply not feasible in a short time frame.
You really think this is all an accident?
Turd world migrants hahaha