I am sure people on here already know that I am cutting against the grain of this forum by taking Ukraine's side in the war. But with that said, I have to say:
WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU THINK WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, YOU ABSOLUTE BABOONS!!!!
No shit they cut you off! This is war! You dont keep supplying your enemy in the event of a war. Especially if its something vital they rely one and have few options to get from elsewhere. Hey, remember that guy with the heavy tan and weird tupee saying "Hey, Russia is a threat. Maybe you should look for new sources of oil and gas. Like the US."
Oh wait, thats right. I remember those smug European pricks smirking and laughing it up over how dumb he was. So you know what? Let them freeze. And I hope that when they come crawling to us for help, we have someone in power who will tell them to get fucked with rusty barbwire.
The hubris of the elite abounds. But that is why we will win.
Your opinion is incoherent. If it was stupid to expect Russia to continue selling gas and oil to Europe while they fight a proxy war against Russia, then it was also stupid for Europe to advance NATO (and nuclear weapons) to Russia‘s doorstep. In both cases, western hubris assumes that Russia has no right to self-governance or survival.
There are no NATO nuclear weapons at "Russia‘s doorstep", but there have been Russian nuclear at NATO's doorstep all the time for decades.
Not only that, but in the 1990s America had paid Ukraine to either transfer to Russia or destroy all of their nuclear weapons and related infrastructure (beginning 1994 and completed in 2002). And Ukraine used to be the third strongest nuclear power in the entire world, after America and Russia.
Russia has no claim to say what alliances Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, etc get to enter into; bordering Russia does not make them part of Russia.
Except that obviously they do have that claim, because look around you. They're claiming it, and what exactly are you going to do about it?
Attempting to build up your (belligerent) alliance up to someone's doorstep, when they have the ability to defend themselves against this, is retard diplomacy.
If a man across a field swings his fist I dont care. If a man 3 feet from me swings his fist I'll tell him to knock it off. If he doesnt the escalation is required. You dont have to wait until you are on the ground bleeding to deal with a reasonable threat.
Are you saying the US should have just said "well we dont like it but cant do anything" when the USSR made moves to arm up Cuba?
Sure. Philosophically that's true. But welcome to geopolitics. Poland already doesn't do what Poland wants to do in this respect. Poland does whatever the US State Department wants it to. The same goes for every other country. You either belong to the US sphere of influence or Russia's (or China elsewhere).
You think Mexico and Canada would be free to join a Russian led anti-United States military alliance?
The real world isn't a moralistic debate about who should or shouldn't have claim to X, Y, and Z, it's a game of raw power. Whoever has it, wields it. Right and wrong doesn't need to factor into that calculus at all.
Exactly. I always see people bring up how its terrible that all these countries joined NATO and that is a threat to Russia. But I never see those same people stopping to ask why they join NATO.
But I suppose it is irrational. After all, none of those nations have histories with Russia. None of them have any reason at all to hate Russia. They definitely werent oppressed for centuries and are now saying "Never again" at the concept of Russian aggression. And If something like that happened, I am sure it would not make them want to join a military alliance for the purpose of protection. It would also have nothing to do with seeing threats of Russian aggression and responding with "Do it pussy! Make my fucking day!"
It really is a mystery why Poland, the Czechs, the Slovenians, the various Baltic states, and others are giving Ukraine just about every weapon that isnt nailed down, with a note attached saying "Give'em hell!"
You don’t shit where you eat. When Ukraine falls, tag you’re it. Nobody wants that musical chair as bullwark against the east. Still doesn’t mean Putins not making the right moves. Sucks, but this order was placed before it was served.
There are enough of us on here to break the mold, but the overwhelming majority of comments I see on here are favoring Russia to varying degrees. I think the only two of us who are hardcore Pro-Ukraine (to the point of "Burn Russia to the Ground!") are me and SupremeReader.
I honestly dont care. They are allowed to believe stupid things. The only thing that makes me sad is that Ukraine might fail in the end because the West is currently being lead by baboon-brained retards, who are more interested in ideology than actually practicing Realpolitik. So they are using this as an excuse to both try and beat Russia and enforce their cultural hegemon over the West. Which will just result in backlash and new governments. And those governments will give power back to their citizens and end their suffering, but probably snap back too hard and throw Ukraine to the wolves (1).
But when that happens, the only one I will seek to damn are the Western Fabian Elitist who let it happen. And hope that one day Ukraine can rise up to throw off its chain again, like Poland before them.
(1): Sidenote: The obvious answer here is to keep giving Ukraine weapons but stop with the money transfers. But the Elites wont do that because they are still using it for money laundering. And a Populist Revolt government may just say "Fuck it all. Let them burn, while we take care of our own." Which is not an unreasonable response after what has been done to our nations. I am just ashamed and upset that it had to come to that, because our Elites care more about their own vanity and egos than being pragmatic statesmen. Which matches the leaders Pre-WW1 now that I think about it.
There are enough of us on here to break the mold, but the overwhelming majority of comments I see on here are favoring Russia to varying degrees.
No, I think the majority of the comments are, "fuck them both, I don't really care. It's not my fight."
And now, because everybody on the side of Ukraine (in other words, everybody on the side of the corrupt western leftist agenda) has forced us to make it our fight, we're reaping the results.
I respond to most of the Ukraine-shills with mockery because they're just so cartoonishly unhinged. (Hooray! Ukraine was able to blow up their own bridge! They're winning!) There is no such delusion on the so-called pro-Russian side that I've observed.
Those who are pro russia in this are not so because they are anti-Ukraine. I love Ukraine and its people, and its one of the most beautiful places on earth. Ukraine has been made a political whore by the globalist hegemony. I see a russian victory as saving her from her traffickers.
More like a rival group of trafficker's killing the first group so they could kidnap you for themselves.
Russia has made it very clear, especially with their "republics" they established. This is about rebirthing the Soviet Union. Just like Putin said. After all, it is the "worst event of the 20th century" that the Union collapsed. Of course, if you ask the Polish, Ukrainians, Baltics, and Czechs disagree. But that doesnt matter! The Russians are offended! So we need to forcibly give them back over to Russia because they said so!
Once again, I am sure its is merely a coincidence that some of the only nations in NATO that actually pay their debts and train the militaries are the ones that are near Russia.
Who is getting blood on our hands? You are right, world policing doesnt work. You cant make people believe things they dont want to believe themselves. But we have a nation who wants to be free, and is fighting to prove it. So have at it. Give them the guns they need to fight for their own freedom. Whats so ignoble about that?
I am sure people on here already know that I am cutting against the grain of this forum by taking Ukraine's side in the war. But with that said, I have to say:
WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU THINK WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, YOU ABSOLUTE BABOONS!!!!
No shit they cut you off! This is war! You dont keep supplying your enemy in the event of a war. Especially if its something vital they rely one and have few options to get from elsewhere. Hey, remember that guy with the heavy tan and weird tupee saying "Hey, Russia is a threat. Maybe you should look for new sources of oil and gas. Like the US."
Oh wait, thats right. I remember those smug European pricks smirking and laughing it up over how dumb he was. So you know what? Let them freeze. And I hope that when they come crawling to us for help, we have someone in power who will tell them to get fucked with rusty barbwire.
The hubris of the elite abounds. But that is why we will win.
Your opinion is incoherent. If it was stupid to expect Russia to continue selling gas and oil to Europe while they fight a proxy war against Russia, then it was also stupid for Europe to advance NATO (and nuclear weapons) to Russia‘s doorstep. In both cases, western hubris assumes that Russia has no right to self-governance or survival.
There are no NATO nuclear weapons at "Russia‘s doorstep", but there have been Russian nuclear at NATO's doorstep all the time for decades.
Not only that, but in the 1990s America had paid Ukraine to either transfer to Russia or destroy all of their nuclear weapons and related infrastructure (beginning 1994 and completed in 2002). And Ukraine used to be the third strongest nuclear power in the entire world, after America and Russia.
Russia has no claim to say what alliances Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, etc get to enter into; bordering Russia does not make them part of Russia.
Except that obviously they do have that claim, because look around you. They're claiming it, and what exactly are you going to do about it?
Attempting to build up your (belligerent) alliance up to someone's doorstep, when they have the ability to defend themselves against this, is retard diplomacy.
If a man across a field swings his fist I dont care. If a man 3 feet from me swings his fist I'll tell him to knock it off. If he doesnt the escalation is required. You dont have to wait until you are on the ground bleeding to deal with a reasonable threat.
Are you saying the US should have just said "well we dont like it but cant do anything" when the USSR made moves to arm up Cuba?
Sure. Philosophically that's true. But welcome to geopolitics. Poland already doesn't do what Poland wants to do in this respect. Poland does whatever the US State Department wants it to. The same goes for every other country. You either belong to the US sphere of influence or Russia's (or China elsewhere).
You think Mexico and Canada would be free to join a Russian led anti-United States military alliance?
The real world isn't a moralistic debate about who should or shouldn't have claim to X, Y, and Z, it's a game of raw power. Whoever has it, wields it. Right and wrong doesn't need to factor into that calculus at all.
Exactly. I always see people bring up how its terrible that all these countries joined NATO and that is a threat to Russia. But I never see those same people stopping to ask why they join NATO.
But I suppose it is irrational. After all, none of those nations have histories with Russia. None of them have any reason at all to hate Russia. They definitely werent oppressed for centuries and are now saying "Never again" at the concept of Russian aggression. And If something like that happened, I am sure it would not make them want to join a military alliance for the purpose of protection. It would also have nothing to do with seeing threats of Russian aggression and responding with "Do it pussy! Make my fucking day!"
It really is a mystery why Poland, the Czechs, the Slovenians, the various Baltic states, and others are giving Ukraine just about every weapon that isnt nailed down, with a note attached saying "Give'em hell!"
You don’t shit where you eat. When Ukraine falls, tag you’re it. Nobody wants that musical chair as bullwark against the east. Still doesn’t mean Putins not making the right moves. Sucks, but this order was placed before it was served.
I can dig your irony.
Whoa hold on now. That's President Trump's real hair, he doesn't wear a toupee.
Given the opinions on Russia I've seen here lately, I wouldn't say that statement is accurate.
There are enough of us on here to break the mold, but the overwhelming majority of comments I see on here are favoring Russia to varying degrees. I think the only two of us who are hardcore Pro-Ukraine (to the point of "Burn Russia to the Ground!") are me and SupremeReader.
I honestly dont care. They are allowed to believe stupid things. The only thing that makes me sad is that Ukraine might fail in the end because the West is currently being lead by baboon-brained retards, who are more interested in ideology than actually practicing Realpolitik. So they are using this as an excuse to both try and beat Russia and enforce their cultural hegemon over the West. Which will just result in backlash and new governments. And those governments will give power back to their citizens and end their suffering, but probably snap back too hard and throw Ukraine to the wolves (1).
But when that happens, the only one I will seek to damn are the Western Fabian Elitist who let it happen. And hope that one day Ukraine can rise up to throw off its chain again, like Poland before them.
(1): Sidenote: The obvious answer here is to keep giving Ukraine weapons but stop with the money transfers. But the Elites wont do that because they are still using it for money laundering. And a Populist Revolt government may just say "Fuck it all. Let them burn, while we take care of our own." Which is not an unreasonable response after what has been done to our nations. I am just ashamed and upset that it had to come to that, because our Elites care more about their own vanity and egos than being pragmatic statesmen. Which matches the leaders Pre-WW1 now that I think about it.
No, I think the majority of the comments are, "fuck them both, I don't really care. It's not my fight."
And now, because everybody on the side of Ukraine (in other words, everybody on the side of the corrupt western leftist agenda) has forced us to make it our fight, we're reaping the results.
I respond to most of the Ukraine-shills with mockery because they're just so cartoonishly unhinged. (Hooray! Ukraine was able to blow up their own bridge! They're winning!) There is no such delusion on the so-called pro-Russian side that I've observed.
Those who are pro russia in this are not so because they are anti-Ukraine. I love Ukraine and its people, and its one of the most beautiful places on earth. Ukraine has been made a political whore by the globalist hegemony. I see a russian victory as saving her from her traffickers.
More like a rival group of trafficker's killing the first group so they could kidnap you for themselves.
Russia has made it very clear, especially with their "republics" they established. This is about rebirthing the Soviet Union. Just like Putin said. After all, it is the "worst event of the 20th century" that the Union collapsed. Of course, if you ask the Polish, Ukrainians, Baltics, and Czechs disagree. But that doesnt matter! The Russians are offended! So we need to forcibly give them back over to Russia because they said so!
Once again, I am sure its is merely a coincidence that some of the only nations in NATO that actually pay their debts and train the militaries are the ones that are near Russia.
Use your own money then to send to Ukraine for guns. I don't want blood on my hands cause you want to play world police again.
No problem, I can take all the orc blood from you to have it on my hands.
Who is getting blood on our hands? You are right, world policing doesnt work. You cant make people believe things they dont want to believe themselves. But we have a nation who wants to be free, and is fighting to prove it. So have at it. Give them the guns they need to fight for their own freedom. Whats so ignoble about that?