Oh fuck off, Ben Shapiro
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"Gang, we're fighting big tech and fighting for free speech by setting up this subscription model, gang."
"Gang, Crowder has a huge paying audience he can bring to our subscription service but we need to punish him on behalf of big tech if he uses his free speech gang. This is how business works, gang- my wife is a doctor"
"Ok gang Crowder is our friend, which is why we gave him a shitty, controlling boilerplate offer, gang."
"How could Crowder betray us, his friends gang, by sharing our contract offer - which is totally a great offer we're super proud of, gang?"
I don't agree with releasing the phone convo, especially because there wasn't really a big gotcha smoking gun that would justify it- but the DW mob attacking Crowder makes me glad I never signed up to DW.
The phone conversation was to demonstrate that he wasn't doing it over the money and had asked Jeremy to stop fucking over smaller people to which Jeremy replied that they should be wage slaves for a while then fuck off and restart their own shit elsewhere
TBF I don't think Jeremy was being totally serious there with the "wage slave" comment- and releasing private phone conversations to the public, especially someone you had a friendly relationship with, isn't somthing you should do willy nilly.
And I'm like 90% on Crowder's side here
Considering that most things I've heard from him has been extremely arrogant and condescending I'm not giving him the benefit of the doubt especially because the contract reflects that attitude.
Also something really worth noting is that Crowder dropped Black Rifle Coffee after they denounced Rittenhouse and the Daily Wire picked them up. I think that says alot
Exactly. I could see crowder could be difficult to work with but he has stuck to his principles over money before. And this is way more now than black rifle coffee ever was.
Crowder has also been pushing Rumble like crazy
All alt media youtubers without deep pockets have been pushing it. I personally think it's a good idea but we need about 3 more YouTube alternatives just in case
To my knowledge Bitchute started censoring things at the behest of payment processors once they became the YouTube alternative, which knocked them out of that spot and helped propel Odyssee and Rumble forward.
That's actually a huge deal. Fuck brc
Yeah DW isn't conservative. They're money grubbers masquerading as conservatives.
Well I definitely don't think it was willy nilly. Also consider that SC has been fighting the good fight against big tech for at least six years when they really started tightening the screws on him. So for a "friend" to propose something like this is laughable at best and insidious at worst. DW KNOWS that YouTube and Facebook and Twitter have each struck Crowder on many occasions even when there is no clear violation of their ToS. Even if what he did was OFF PLATFORM. They just do it arbitrarily. Sometimes they even retract it after he appeals. So SC would be staring down six figure penalties constantly even if he didn't do anything wrong. DW KNOWS his history and put this in there anyway??? They're either retarded (they aren't) or incredibly sleazy. If running afoul of Big techs arbitrarily enforced and defined rules is such a big deal to them, knowing what they know about SCs history with them, DW should never have even given an offer.
It all seems planned. He registered StopConPro a month before the Jeremy call was recorded. They’re buds, I’m sure they’re all in on it. Now it’s a giant news cycle. Might even make it into the lefty news. Works for both of them.
Yep. It all has the air of them doing weird over prepared "and the whole bus clapped" skits to their respective audiences while they bask in the glow of all the free viral marketing.
Never liked DV with their constant shilling. Nor their selling 10 cents worth of Made in China razors for $60 and calling it a blow against Woke Inc.
Haven't liked Crowder since he ran off "not gay" Jared and replaced him with a crowd of cringing "you tell'em boss!" sycophants.
He’s also literally starting a press tour now. He probably didn’t plan for Candice Owens being on Timcast last night, but he could have known, and then they talked about him. Now he’s coming to Timcast this Monday. Even Scott Adams had Crowder in the headline of his video today, Lauren Chen, etc. Basically everybody in the alternative conservative media. I would not doubt that he makes it on other shows, including a DW one, doing his little press tour before launching Mug Club on its own independently.
I really doubt Jeremy isn’t in on it. And it’s not like Crowder’s retarded. I’m assuming Shapiro realizes it all too and is just going with it because it’s not like he spoke about it with a lot of heart today when he said Jeremy’s his best friend and Crowder stabbed him in the back. Ben was Steven’s first lawyer. All these guys are friends.
Mug club is already on its own. It has been for years now.
I’m a Mug Club Member, or I guess technically was since he left The Blaze. To my knowledge, Mug Club was just a Blaze membership as it got me everything on Blaze, despite not watching or caring about anything else on Blaze. I wouldn’t see the point of Mug Club being on its own and also giving me access to everything Blaze had.
For me I was on the fence, but once they added candace owens to their mix I immediately lost all interest. Having people of all cultures can be a great way to discuss topics, but the way they did it felt more like them trying to brag about her race than her credentials. "Join our site, and you can listen to the same fence-sitting shpeel tim poole does, only in the voice of a slightly attractive black lady."
I mean I always loved the clips of Candice Owens telling the BLM idiots they’re idiots and all, but Jesus it’s almost impossible to listen to her actual show. She’s always shrill, saying a thousand words a minute, full of anger and bitterness. I close YouTube sometimes and realise my ears are actually ringing. Definitely not a fan of hers.
And all that hanging onto Kanye West’s coattails, all those Fox News segments... zero doubt she’s a grifter of the highest order
I cannot for the life of me understand why the existing Daily Wire audience might like that style.
Cough Ben Shapiro Cough
See, one of my co-workers is pretty dumb and came up to me with this about a year ago, trying to suggest that with her in the fold it gives conservatives an edge somehow. When I brought up the idea of democrats only wanting to focus on race/gender so they can divide and conquer and that when you fight with idiots they'll win via experience, he walked out of the room and didn't speak to me for about 2 weeks.
There are quite a few really good black conservatives that actually bring up interesting points (thomas sowell being my favorite as I've bought 3 of his books). There are also quite a lot of them that, much like tim poole and 90% of the women who have onlyfans accounts, know there is a ton of money to be made by faking something and slowly converting people into their whales. In the case of daily wire it's the latter, as unlike crowder they will backpedal constantly even if it means looking like massive hypocrits.
Larry Elder is another good one IMO
I used to like her. I was watching her a loooooong time ago when she had a rinky dink channel and referred to it as "the myth of the coon". I think the problem is that the "person who's based but not from a traditionally based demographic" schtick became SUPER popular with her, Lauren Chen, Hodge twins, some of those gay people whose names I forget. True or not, it started to feel like a giant grift. But Vince Dao is legit. If you haven't heard of him, check him out.
The pay structure was literally worse than what you'd see in Hollywood too.
In Hollywood, only the absolute 0.001% of top talent gets residuals. Almost every actor is being paid a flat rate.
If the movie flops, they still get paid. The studio assumes all the risk. If the movie is a runaway success, well, they still get paid the same.
If you're that 0.001% of top talent, and the movie flops... you still get paid. The studio still assumes all the risk. If the movie is a runaway success, they get paid a LOT.
NOBODY is signing a movie contract where if the movie flops, you don't get paid, and if the movie is a runaway success, then you only get paid whatever it was that you get paid. Even the lowliest actors get paid scale.
Daily Wire wants 95% of the risk dumped on their talent, and they want to pocket 95% of the success. If all of their contracts are like this, then it means if Daily Wire gets completely Alex Jones'd, their expenses for their talent drops to only about 5% / person. But they'd still be getting money from DW+ subs. How does that make fucking sense? Am I supposed to believe 95% of their revenue is from ads? I seriously fucking doubt that. Even then, advertisers will still pay to advertise to the shitton of DW+ subscribers.
I love this. He actually sounds like this. EDIT: It was forgivable, when I percieved him as a right thinker, and not a trojan horse for leftism lite...
Crowder: "Here is a contract i got. I wont name any names. Its stacked with millions, but its seriously fucked up"
DW: "Yep, it was us :)"
DW: "Why are people criticizing us?"
Candace Owens: Goes unhinged on Timcast
Ben Shapiro: "Here is how Crowder betrayed his friends"
What the hell?
This ain't the fight you wanna start little man...
Seriously, the contract was a bad contract for anyone who wants to push back even a little against the left and Crowder, like him or loath him, has been struck multiple times for raising issues on covid, vaccines and elections but fights them everytime even into court.
The Daily Wire focusing on the money aspect is not a good look.
You don't like pro vax mandate, pro lockdown, war mongering midget either?
I like the cut of your jib sir!
Daily Wire literally sued the federal government to stop Biden's attempt to mandate vaccines in the workplace via OSHA regulations.
Meanwhile Shapiro shilled the vaccine till he was allowed not to and they rode off the backs of people like Crowder who was willing to take hits to dispute the "settled" science.
Except they were the last one to jump on the bandwagon. Virtue signaling.. MUH CONSERVATIVES.
Speaking of which - did Jordan Peterson agreed to such a contract? He is with the DW now.
Did his "you are an evil rat" answer to "why are you criticizing these religions, but not other ones" come out of his own volition? He also called his former fans "internet trolls".
Did i miss something?
i think peterstein is genuinely semitephile, he refused to talk about 200 years together even before he's employed by dw, now he just get an extra pay check for it.
Very pleased that I never signed up for their membership, just couldn't trust them after hearing Jeremy call black rifle coffee his very good friends.
I watched all 4 hours of Reikeita Law's cast on Rumble and he has 100% the correct take. And he goes over Cocaine Owens' meltdown on Timcast IRL, basically, she sounds hysterical because she probably realized she got completely fucking screwed, but like a jabbie who is scared and angry that they got the jab, they take it out on people who didn't because misery loves company.
Shadiversity also put out a lengthy video on how bad the contract was. Here's the video. He went through it line by line. Apparently Shad has been burned by, and been offered, bad contracts before, and hates them with a passion.
He argues, rightfully, that just because the business is that way, doesn't make it right. These predatory contracts use intentionally complicated legalese to screw over people who don't know better, and who can't afford a lawyer to unfuck the legalese. It's a self fulfilling prophecy of lawyers creating conditions which require more lawyers. It's why so many people rightfully hate lawyers and the profession in general. It doesn't need to be this way. The response I often hear is that "well Crowder could've counter offered". Bullcrap. The contract offered by Daily Wire is an insult, and shows what kind of people they are, and what they think. The people putting out contracts like that are intentionally obfuscating the truth, with the intent of screwing other people over, trying to take them for as much money as possible. That's not behavior by good people. It's liars using lies to screw over others.
This is exacerbated by the fact that the contract in question would force Crowder to abide by the insanely authoritarian censorship of Big Tech. It's not only bending the knee to that censorship, but actively participating in enforcing it, by punishing any content creator that says anything moderately verboten. From what Daily Wire said in their response to Crowder, this is apparently a standard contract by them, which means that probably all of their content creators must abide by this rule. This proves that the Daily Wire is a false choice trap. They don't care about the truth. They don't care about fighting the system. They don't care about correcting the wrongs. At the minimum, they only care about money. At worst, they do this intentionally to trap normie right wingers into milquetoast right wing positions using half truth approved opinions.
Every aspect of this shows that the Daily Wire are liars and can't be trusted.
This is what gets me... Crowder doing this is like a major musician with his own label calling out the record companies for the insanely shitty, awful contracts they have that they use to steal the lives of starry-eyed young kids who are told they're going to be the next big 'thing'. They then labor beneath their contract and make zero money off of their music.
But because it's Daily Wire, their stupid fans are going 'muh private business negotiations' and 'why not just walk away and say nothing'.
Crowder's entire first video was wholly about telling new talent and young people to not sign predatory contracts locking them into being nothing but ad robots and parroting Zuckerberg's political agendas. That was it.
The stupidest fucking thing is that all the DW fans are going "boo he shouldn't have recorded his friend".
He did it because he knew that the shekel-pinching fucks at DW were going to try to flip the script and make him sound like a greedy primadonna. He recorded Boering because Boering did exactly that with his hour-long video, revealing lurid details about how much Crowder 'thinks' he's worth and making it all about money.
They then had their least-popular personality on Timcast to scream for 30 minutes in a coke-fueled hysteria about nothing but money.
The Daily Wire has so far never, not once, fucking talked about a single thing Crowder was upset about. Matt Walsh on Twitter is cumming in his own face about how they "totally changed the culture with the greatest documentary ever made", when literally nobody has seen What is a Woman who wasn't already on his side. Not a single fucking person in the centrist space even heard of it, much less were going to cross the paywall for it.
Yeah, you cannot and do not counter-offer from an insane lowball. Crowder probably estimates that he needs about $22.5M/year to operate. Daily Wire's opening offer was barely half that. That means in order to even begin to try to 'meet in the middle', Crowder is forced to counter-offer something absurd like $35M a year. And having to negotiate up two hundred and fifty fucking percent from the opening offer is utterly insane. You don't go to a job interview expecting to make $110K/year, and then when they say "we'll pay you $30K" you think you can realistically counter with "how about $250K?". When they offer you $30K you pack your shit and walk. It means they think you're fucking worthless.
Agreed on all counts. I knew Daily Wire and Ben Shapiro were MIGA Con Inc. Uniparty false choice right wing, but I'm still surprised when new information comes out about how bad those kinds of people are. Traitors in our midst should be dealt with more harshly and more swiftly than an army at the gate. Daily Wire, and all the rest of the false choice right wingers, are traitors to the movement. They're traps for content creators and for viewers. May they be outed, kicked out of town, and burn in hell.
Genuine people record phone conversations when they're worried that the other party will lie. There have been lots of stories over the last few years of right wingers saving themselves from hatchet job interviews with mainstream media organizations, precisely because they had the wherewithal to record the conversation themselves, enabling them to release it after the fact and reveal the whole truth. It's also how Project Veritas gets their content, by getting the lefties comfortable and letting them speak their mind, how they really feel. One can't demonize Crowder, without demonizing the others.
Daily Wire are the ones claiming they've been friends with Crowder. Jeremy Boreing said as much in his video response. It's an old manipulative tactic. They're using an emotional appeal to sway people to their side, by claiming that Crowder betrayed their friendship. It's obviously false, because friends wouldn't have done what they did to Crowder. Given everything else we've seen from Daily Wire, that they use legalese to hide how bad their contracts are, for the sole purpose of screwing people over, they're proving themselves to be manipulative liars.
Furthermore, Daily Wire know their contracts are bad, because Boreing admitted (I can't remember if it was the video response or the phone call released by Crowder) that their contracts for newcomers are literally slave contracts. Good people don't do that. It also reveals how pompous they are. They view themselves as better than everyone else, and that they can take advantage of the lower cast, people who can't afford lawyers, and the naive who don't know how predatory DW are. It's some of the worst forms of human behavior possible. Boreing admitted to Crowder, in an attempt to get Crowder on his side, that Crowder is better than the lower cast slaves, and they offered him a better contract than those filth. If the contract they gave to Crowder was one of their better ones, what the hell are they giving to us peons? If Daily Wire feel that way about people, how could anyone trust the "news" and "content" they give to us lower cast slaves?
Lastly, in Boreing's video response to Crowder, where he went over the contract, nearly line by line, he was lying and inverting the truth the entire time. He repeatedly contradicted himself, often times jumping from one side to the other with only seconds between. Shad pointed out most of the hypocrisy in his response video. Either Boreing is so accustomed to lying he didn't notice, or he's a massive hypocrite that doesn't see his errors. It's probably both, as liars necessarily must be hypocrites. In either case, he hoped no one would notice, which is why he released the video. It perfectly matches the attitude he has for us peons, as literal slaves. Fortunately, for us peons, it's obvious as hell. Boreing was trying to claim to be the victim, when he wasn't, and attacking Crowder for things he didn't do. It was all lies, logical fallacies, and manipulation. It's literally the "jew cries out in pain as he strikes you" stereotype, in the flesh. I couldn't find any info about his heritage through an internet search, but he certainly fits the jewish stereotype, and the worst forms of human behavior.
I'd also like to point out that the Daily Wire has to have their own troll farm, because the number of people I've seen shilling for them is unnaturally high. They use the exact same tactics that shills and liars use. They make unsubstantiated claims, invert the truth, put the burden of proof on others, claim evidence doesn't exist, misrepresent the timeline of events and the truth itself, tell people are wrong without explaining why, repeat the Daily Wire talking points verbatim, use logically fallacious arguments, and they're very active.
This is my theory with Candice. She only now realizes that she got boned, but like crabs in a bucket, wants to make sure that the next Candice Owens gets the same shitty contract so they don't do better than her.
Kinda proving his point?
Ben shapiro pushed the jab and mocked ppl who didn't take it. That's all i need to know about his char
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Strap in everyone!
Those are always the best threads.
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That's a spicy meatball.
Why does Crowder use the 30 year old cassette recorder from Home Alone 2 to play back the phone call? Is that what he used to record it? Is it for comedic effect?
For that matter, why does he have the cassette recorder from Home Alone 2? Did he have it from when he was a child? Did he get one on ebay?
Yes
I guess then the question is why I should treat this as a more serious matter than Crowder himself does? And what's more important to him: the gag, or the principle?
Not that this makes me like DW: they're doing the classic shithead move of pretending to take this personally. Let's just say that if my last name were "Shapiro" it's something I would try to avoid doing for fear of living up to the stereotypes.
Because he is speaking to his 'followers' not free thinkers. Sadly the majority of people are sheep. The difference is, are they 'my' sheep, or 'your' sheep.
With the use of that talkboy he proved why he is the superior content creator.
I don't like any of the 'conservative' grifters, but I recognize that they are the frontline in the bozo war with the mentally inane. This business based undercutting simply puts paid to their talk of 'ideology', especially when said ideology is contingent on towing the tech bruh line.
I could care less if they were trying to personally fuck Crowder with a shit deal. But they made it clear this is how they treat everyone. It's their standard behavior. It's controlled opposition.
It's possible to speak to one's fans and followers about a matter without it becoming a comedy routine. The way he's playing it makes this all appear to be a Work. Only question is whether or not the other side is in on it.
He's literally a comedian. That's his job.
Not if your fan(atics) and follow-ers are so because of your shit posting comedy efforts.
To me, the way he is playing it, seems like how he plays everything. Granted I only ever see him occasionally when something with his face is viral enough to overcome my derision of his style.
Don't know if the other side is on it, but the only winners from all this are the pedos & troons in office.
Every conservative is losing if one of the biggest conservative media platforms is censoring conservatives and forcing them to stick to big tech approved talking points
It's called a prop...
Why is he using props when discussing serious matters of principle? Is his plan to do the old "Jon Stewart Shuffle", where he conflates comedy and the discussion of serious matters so as to be able to deflect criticism from both sides?
Critic: "Why is he using props when discussing such serious matters?"
Respondent: "It's a prop! It's for comedic effect!"
Critic: "Then perhaps these DW folks have a point when they say Crowder is simply using them for a comedy act"
Respondent: "No, these are serious issues within Conservative media that Crowder is bringing to light!"
...good lord, you must have the deepest frown lines.
I went almost 3 years without listening to Shapiro, and I'm disappointed instead of angry. Can any lawyers clear up what made the contract non-binding?
There's an term, article, or comment I didn't save that precisely explained how powerful enemies can benefit off fighting each other (probably in the context of the Ukraine context or unusual American politicians), with the point of conflict of interest causing a feedback loop. In this case Daily Wire vs big tech, where DW justifies its business model by opposing the left side of the establishment, while between the lines being much alike to the establishment. Similar to but not kayfabe in that the enmity is genuine, and related to prospiracy.
It's non-binding in the sense that it was an initial offer that wasn't signed. If someone read and agreed to those terms, they'd draw up the full contract.
However, arguing that it's "just a term sheet" is semantic nonsense. It's the essence of the deal they wanted.
Between the egotistical and editorialized click-bait headline, and the intentionally misleading video description unexplained in the 12 minute clip, Shapiro can really persona non grata himself.
The penalties potentially make it unenforceable even if they don't call them penalties they're clearly penalties. Contracts with penalties are void as a matter of law.
There might have been non-binding parts of the contract, and you might be right about penalties being de-facto voidable, but I don't think Shapiro had the latter part in mind when shaming crowder.
It was never signed, simple as that. And what Crowder showed on his show technically wasn't a contract, but rather a term sheet. The contractual terms are laid out as negotiable elements and once they're agreed upon, a final contract would have been drafted, but that never happened.
Just looked that up myself, my mistake was looking up "non-binding contract" yesterday instead of term-sheet, which is the phrase in Shapiro's video description.
Still, the proposal itself indicates a traditional command-and-control culture at Daily Wire, resulting in the ego driven and uncompromising character attacks from DW hosts (at least Owens and Shapiro). A metaphor borrowed from ThinkBeforeYouSleep is with Judo, where if to resist submissions you don't make any openings, your opponent is likewise going to stay on guard and you won't have any openings to exploit. If Shapiro, and Boreing could acknowledge some validity of the grievances, highlighted the status quo of big entertainment companies, and toned down the personality attacks, they would have looked better, strengthened the conservative movement, and preserved their relationship with Crowder.
If the DW business culture was more bottom-up and flexibly structured, a chiller approach to to this event would have occurred. Much more importantly for DW, their cinema venture is jeopardized if they don't have an unconventional M.O. able to tackle large, uncertain creative projects. Could be headed down the same ruinous path as Disney+, Paramount+, Netflix, et al, but without their incongruantly deep pockets.
Edit: Ben Shapiro being more humble in the past, which helped his reputation. Sargon had a good point about the BBC ordeal, that the host was barely discernible from shitlibs, regardless of the softball questions that flipped Ben out.
What was the drama?
I did not follow it since I stop watching them some time ago.
When Crowder left Blaze, DW offered him a shitty contract that gave them control over pretty much everything plus huge finanical penalties if Big Tech censored him- could drop his "lucrative" deal to like 5% of what was offered, and that's the total money they were given to produce his show and play everyone involved.
Crowder did a video protecting DW's identity while criticising Big Con contracts (he even said this was standard among Big Con even if people did figure out who), DW's CEO did a 1 hr video trying to justify the contract, then they sicced every DW host onto Crowder- Candace Owens was just nasty calling Crowder a grifter (lol, takes one to know one), his audience stupid, etc while Matt Walsh licked all the DW choad.
Then Crowder released a clip of a phone call w/ DW CEO (a bad move IMO) yesterday while Ownens was on Beanie Man attacking Crowder left and right.
"Nooooooooo! Not my heckin' basedireno black women!"
I've been telling people this for fucking years, but no one listens. The dumb bitch was shilling the "Freedumb Phones" which glow like the fucking sun. Hell, just recently she was hawking some banking app that apparently has turned into a total dumpster fire. She's a fucking snake oil seller and people need to quit praising every single black person for reaching the bare minimum.
Rekeita Law went over her content:views numbers and concluded she's a failure and nobody likes her. Her views are pathetic relative to her number of subscribers. She's probably just mad that A) She signed a shit deal with DW, and B) Crowder is standing up to them and that makes her feel worses.
Her numbers are consistent with a 2-300 K channel, not a 1.3 M channel.
Owens literally got her start by trying to start a website that was entirely for doxxing and bullying people. She only turned to the Right because the Left jumped on her for this idea, because it would allow people to chronicle their bad behavior. Suddenly she came back as this ultra based Conservative voice, and nobody ever even mentioned her past again.
She was always a grifter, and proof that the Right will fellate anyone who can prove they aren't a bigot/x-phobe like good little bitches.
I love that Daily Wire literally outed themselves in less than 24 hours to all this.
And the video was full of Boreing fulfilling some joyful mercantile professional stereotypes.
thank you for the summary. why do you think it was a bad move to release the phone call?
In general, releasing a private convo (especially a generally friendly one) isn't a good idea and especially releasing a small clip like that.
I don't have issue with him recording the call, this wasn't just a friendly chat between pals- and if Boring had given some a smoking gun GOTCHA moment that really exposed him then you could justify it. But I don't think him jokingly say "wage slave" was it.
To be fair, I highly doubt they're friends. They're more like "friends". I would've done exactly what Crowder did. At that the level of play, with the amount of money involved, with the insane contract he was offered, and with Daily Wire's and Ben Shapiro's reputation, if it were me, I absolutely would've recorded all of the conversations with them. A genuine person records a conversation when they feel that the other side might lie about what was said. There've been lots of stories the last few years of right wingers who've done interviews with the MSM, who release a ridiculously edited version of the interview to paint the right winger in the worst light, and the right winger saves themselves only because they had the wherewithal to recorded it, and released it to reveal the whole truth. This is also exactly what Project Veritas does to get their content. They get people comfortable, and record what they say.
Our side has been burned far too many times to rely on trust. We've known for a while now that many on our side are fake, and are Uniparty/ConInc./RINO/globalist pieces of shit, who are intentionally setting themselves up as traps for normie right wingers, who would otherwise move much further right, if not for the false choice and half truth they're presented with.
Predatory people deserve to be outed. Predatory practices deserve to be criticized. All of it should be shared openly, so everyone knows who those people are and what they do.
The one fair criticism of Crowder that I've heard is that this is all PR by him, because Daily Wire didn't agree to his counter offer, and so Crowder is only releasing this all now, after the fact, because he probably wants to set up his own independent company. However, contrary to this criticism, and to be fair to Crowder, he didn't tell anyone who this predatory company was. The Daily Wire were stupid and outed themselves.
O wow, lots of drama. Not surprised by any of the events
funny way of writing "they offered him $50 million dollars".
Yes, they were offering to buy his brand... for $50 million. Buying entails ownership. They didn't control his show, though, only the monetization.
The contract stated that if he was demonetized/banned for an extended period of time, his payment would be reduced. Why? Because DW monetizes through those platforms so they'd lose money, and they obviously aren't going to pay $50 million when they can't make that money back because he went full Kanye.
Yes if he got banned everywhere. Sure. And? Then don't sign the contract if you plan on getting yourself banned everywhere like Kanye, though even Kanye isn't banned from Youtube.
Considering his show is just him talking like a podcast, I can't imagine his overhead is large. He's not filming a Netflix series.
No, he didn't. He did everything but say the DW name, and everyone who watched it immediately knew he was referring to the DW.
except no, because he did not identify or criticize any other contracts or offer, he only singled out the DW.
false. The immediate reaction from the DW was only 2 things:
Ben Shapiro being very nice about it and saying it's sad/disappointing but he wishes Crowder the best and considers him a friend
Boering making a youtube video just going through the written offer to give context about how it isn't such a nasty thing, and also being very friendly towards Crowder
THEN CROWDER DROPPED THAT HE SECRETLY RECORDED BOERING ON A PERSONAL non-business PHONE CALL WITHOUT HIS KNOWLEDGE OR CONSENT AS A SET UP.
THAT is what caused the rest of the DW hosts to come out swinging. Mega scumbag escalation move by Crowder.
yeah they're both grifters.
Nope. You got your timeline mixed up. I follow them all on twitter so I saw it. No one at the DW was doing jack shit to attack Crowder until after he dropped the bombshell of the recorded call. You purposely flipped the order of that to make Crowder seem like he was defending himself. Bullshit. Crowder has been the aggressor here every single step.
MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Would you kill your mom for $50 mil? Suck my dick? And it's not $50 million if 95% of that gets taken away because you offended Big Tech.
Minus every production cost, assuming they didn't deduct for leftist ad boycotts working or Big Tech censorship.
DW also offers subscriptions, they'd still have Mug Clug memberships.
BUT MONEY!! 50 MIL ZOMG~~!!!! You're mad he didn't sign the contract but saying "just don't sign the contract", make up your mind.
Besides the daily show, that he's required to film in a professional studio with professional staff in order to upload the production standard clause, he has to produce quarterly & annual content like Change My Mind- those involve travel, security, permits, etc. And if he has to replace equiptment DW doesn't cover that, that comes out of the lump sum.
He specifically said there were new players trying to get into the market, plus there's half a dozen other outlets it reasonably could have been- on top of that he said this contract wasn't unusual and that other Big Con oulets had similar deals.
See above
Owens, Walsh & others joined in before that- it started after Jeremy did his reveal video.
he counter offered 120 millions, so he could be bought for that amount. this is a fight between jews and their shabbos over the price of service.
Are you a child? Yes, the whole point of an employment offer is about money. Have you ever had a job before?
Crowder presently has a huge Youtube channel which is his primary way of driving monetization to his brand. He censors himself on his Youtube content all the time because he doesn't want to get banned. The whole "omg DW wants to carry water for youtube" angle is idiotic when you consider that nothing would change for Crowder. Obviously the whole "demonetized on youtube" thing is something Crowder could have and should have red lined instead of throwing a hissy fit.
Why are you dick riding Crowder on production costs? Do you know what his production costs are? Because I'm certain he didn't reveal that private business info to the public. Since he is a one-man-show and just a podcast, his production costs ought to be very low.
Sounds like an argument Crowder could have made in negotiating instead of crying about it in public.
Umm, no I'm not. I think Crowder is a juvenile idiot with an immature and cringe sense of humor, which is why I don't watch him, and why he's so popular on Youtube. I'm glad he didn't sign with the DW.
The quarterly content is cheap and the same as his daily show basically. The annual content is basically a "special" like "What is a Woman" that could involve travel and interviews. It wouldn't cost millions, and Boering openly said he was expecting to negotiate and end up paying more than the $50m original offer, which, btw, comes to $12.5m a year. Do you not understand $12.5m a year is? A typical low level staffer/contractor costs $30-50k. A high level one costs $70-100k. He could have a staff of 10 lower end and 5 higher end - which is way more than he should need, and that's only a payroll of ~$800k, which is only 6.4% of what he's getting paid.
Nope. DW is literally the only big player in the game of right wing punditry throwing around a lot of money right now. Nobody else offered Crowder anywhere near this much money.
Not that I saw on Twitter, and I can say this is especially true of Walsh. Go ahead and link me his tweet prior to the recorded call where he attacked Crowder. The whole of DW was being unusually polite and nice to Crowder. I would not have been. I think it's because Shapiro and Boering wanted to be the adults and maintain friendly relations with Crowder even though he knifed them.
Over the span of 4 years. Also, it's pretty much a budget. That DW can take from him if his social media (that he no longer controls) gets punished.
Again, over 4 years. And it's a budget that he needs to use to pay people. Also, this fly-by-night contract is completely in DW's favor despite Crowder bringing more fans to DW than vice verse. By the way, if they "don't control his show", why the fuck are they giving themselves power to run his social media? You know, the same ones that will result in penalties against his budget if they even get hit with anything. Hmmmm, almost gives DW incentives to post things that would cause strikes and warnings.
I'm not doing a play-by-play because it's already clear you're either a shill or a fucking moron.
$12.5 million a year for Crowder is more than he's worth IMO. It's not a low ball offer, and Boering said he expected to go higher. Crowder's counter of $30 million per year was absurd and caused the DW to walk away because it was unworkable.
Crowder's show is a low budget podcast where he just talks. Idk what kind of budget you think that requires, but it has to be well under $1m per year even if he hired more staff than he needs.
DW offered to buy ownership of his official, not personal, social media presence. They did not "control" it other than to monetize it. He still controlled his content and what he said.
And DW has every right to guard against the possibility that Crowder might "go full Kanye" and self immolate his brand, especially if his contract said that DW bears all the risk of that and Crowder still gets his full paycheck. It's a perverse incentive to misbehave. Crowder doesn't misbehave now. He is very careful to keep his big Youtube channel up. So is Crowder doing the evil work of big tech now by censoring himself? Yes. He's a hypocrite.
I get that Crowder thinks that. I get that you are blindly parroting it from him without knowing the true facts.
Clearly, Crowder thought he was worth $30m/yr and DW thought he was worth maybe half that. The market will decide who was right. However, it is still a scumbag move for Crowder to knife the DW to try to line his own pockets.
"I'm too immature to disagree with someone who doesn't like a guy I'm a fanboi of without being an angry little asshole about it"
grow up.
Arguing with a fool makes two. There's no point trying to reason with someone like you who clearly lacks any principles as dumping enough money is enough to convince you to sign on the dotted line. If I wanted to piss up ropes, I'd get in touch with my ex-.
You're a stupid little faggot who clearly hasn't even the slightest idea of what it costs to run a business with 30 employees.
Go deep fry something for the next guy at the drivethrough, wagie.
yawn, stupid little faggot
blocked, go be autistic to someone else "waaah someone said something I don't agree with and IM SO ANNNGRRRYRYRYRYRY SO I need to call him names so he can get his feelings hurt like mine were reading his comment!!!" lol child.
Crowder doesn't need 30 employees to sit at his desk and bullshit about current events, which is what anyone can see his youtube channel consists of.
I don't think he has 30 employees. I don't know if he said he did, probably not since all you losers on here sucking his dick like to make up bullshit. However, even if true, most of them are probably "interns" and he probably pays them little to nothing. I guess it's possible for him to work with a lot of part time contractors and pay them for piece work, then lie and claim them to be employees when they're not, to inflate the number.
I have common sense. Joe Rogan does more than what Crowder does and only has 1 guy, Jamie, yet he manages just fine.
Funny because Candice Owens said that Boreing valued Crowder and his show at $90 million, or $22.5M/year. She had to have gotten that info directly from Boreing because she was clearly briefed ahead of her appearance on Timcast IRL.
I don't think she was "clearly briefed" and I don't think she's in any position to know what the DW's limit would be. I don't think anyone except Boering and Shapiro would know that information. Candace Owens is not at the top of the DW, she's just "talent".
$50 million is dogshit. $50 million included him paying all of his staff and producing all of the content. $50 million is an insanely lowball offer. He can't run his production with that number.
Yes, and they also assumed almost no risk from the production of the show. Because that was all on Crowder with that measly $12.5M/year.
His entire point was that that business model fucking sucks, you stupid cunt. He and The Blaze managed to make his show work with almost zero advertising and no monetization on Youtube. Now magically with the DW, he gets less money, he has to shill scams like Birch Gold, and it comes with 'btw if you don't lick Youtube boot we steal all your money'? lmao go fuck yourself.
And he does a ton of high-production value videos, including skits, music events, etc. He goes out and does Change My Views that require a lot of security and setup. He even dropped $250,000 of his own money on a fucking Christmas giveaway every single year.
That's DW's fault.
lmao eat shit. Boering basically made the equivalent of a rookie contract to Tom fucking Brady who wanted to come play for his team.
Crowder probably estimated his value at around $90-100M. When someone comes in with a stupidly insulting bullshit offer like $50M, it's a hostile negotiation. You shouldn't have to then counter-offer at one hundred and fifty fucking percent just to get these shekel-pinching dickshits to even begin to talk about meeting you halfway where you have to be.
So fucking what, you lickspittle cuntswabs don't have a problem when Project Veritas does it.
You mean besides Boering's bullshit hour-long video claiming that enslaving Crowder was 'doing him a favor'?
You don't know what his payroll costs. I know a lot about small business numbers through my litigation work. His payroll should be well under $1 million, insignificant compared to the offer price.
Have you watched his show? He literally just sits at a desk, alone, and gives his commentary on current events. Why do you think this is some kind of expensive operation requiring dozens of people? He only needs like 3-5 people max, and that's if he just wants to save himself the time so he just needs to show up and bullshit.
He uses that busniess model right now on his Youtube channel he posts to daily. "You stupid cunt." lol reply over
Neither do you, genius.
Pure speculation.
You really need to learn to embrace the power of "I don't know" more often.
We don't know his overhead but 1/4 black has indicated that 50 over 4 years wouldn't really cover it
All I am getting out of this drama is that talking heads are stupid, people who care about talking heads are even stupider, and I'm glad maybe this will help people realize that none of these people (no matter how based, on your side, or whatever they seem) are really your ally.
Does seem like Crowder is in the right though.
Can they mutually destruct because of this somehow? That's the best outcome.
https://twitter.com/scrowder/status/1592542913803980803?s=19
How Steven Crowder Betrayed His Base
Though I do enjoy the man shitting on shapiro, he's just another grifter and subverter.
Everyone’s bias against the Daily Wire is affecting their judgement. They’re swallowing Crowder’s side of the story hook, line and sinker.
The DW terms document is pretty standard fare. Crowder sat on the document for four months before releasing it. He registered the “StopTheCon.com” domain a month before this blew up. He secretly recorded a conversation with a friend a week before releasing his video. He has a history of enforcing contracts on people to shut them up (see: NotGayJared, Devin Tienken). Nobody from either DW or Blaze has come out and said their voice is being silenced or suppressed like Crowder claims they are doing. Crowders claims about independent conservative voices being silenced can’t be substantiated at all, nor can his claims of “Big Con” colluding with big tech.
The facts just do not add up.
I wouldn’t consider myself a fan of DW, but they are actually successful at pushing back against the Left, and you can’t argue with results.
Crowder, you don’t like how DW runs their business? Fine, but don’t air your grievances in public and burn bridges along the way just because you don’t like their business model. Don’t declare a crusade against “Big Con” and big tech and then whine and complain when another company won’t unconditionally support your crusade. Instead, stand on your own two feet and prove your business model and prove you’re more effective than those you’re attacking. Stop being a drama queen.
I didn't know until this thread that DW got in bed with Black Rifle Coffee.
On that point alone I will dismiss them. And I actually paid for a month's sub to watch some show with JP last year.
Wakey wakey, motherfucker.
BRC has members that have donated money to Biden's campaign, has thrown Kyle Rittenhouse under the bus, and put out some woke ass bullshit PR article.
BRCC founders Hafer and Best are "former" CIA operatives, that alone should make everyone suspicious of the company. BRCC is probably a CIA money laundering/drug smuggling operation, and if it tricks stupid boomer cons into giving them their money, then that's a bonus in their eyes.
That’s totally irrelevant, but totally fine.
People are just being tribal and picking sides based on emotions, not evaluating this situation with any level of objectivity. Just because DW has its own problems doesn’t mean Crowder is right. Crowder is a performer who knows how to create and milk controversy. He might honestly believe he’s on a righteous crusade but it’s clear this is orchestrated for maximum attention grabbing to his own benefit.
If you want to hear a good, balanced take on the Crowder vs. Daily Wire situation listen to Mark Dice, Gavin McInnes, Bill Whittle or even Tim Pool or Frei and Barnes. Pretty much everyone else is picking sides based on emotion or ignorance.
Starting from the position that any talking mouth is a waste of space.
In this situation you have Crowder, which is one, and on the other you have a corpo. A corpo that wants you to be ok with the same liberal censorship they purport to be fighting.
There is no need for beanie approved nuance from talking heads.
Crowder’s livelihood and business model are almost entirely dependent on YouTube, far more so than the Daily Wire. Crowder literally self-censors so he can remain live on YouTube. There is zero difference between the constraints that Crowder puts on himself and the constraints DW were proposing. DW even embraced the idea of a special “Piss Off YouTube” segment hosted on their platform to avoid censorship.
This entire thing is preposterous on its face. Crowder has no reasonable case to back up his brash claims or unprofessional behavior.
His entire fucking point is that Daily Wire is predatory and is making it impossible for rising stars to come up.
His entire first message was directed at THOSE people, telling them to NOT SIGN these predatory contracts.
Garbage neo-cons like you only think this is about money and business, because, y'know, you're garbage. You'd funnel a gallon of your own cum down your mother's throat if it made you a buck and got you a new lifted truck.
Such a stupid, brain-dead comment. Hurling insults at me simply for disagreeing with you and making accusations when you don’t even know me.
There’s zero evidence the Daily Wire is making it hard for rising stars, you’re just taking Crowder’s word for it.
Michael Knowles literally rose through the ranks within the company to become one of their primary content creators. They literally just plucked Brett Cooper out of nowhere and made her a star. They do collabs with conservatives all over the “Right-O-Sphere”. Can you name a single rising star that DW has silenced or suppressed or harmed in any way? Whose business is it who the DW decides to help or not anyways? They don’t owe Crowder or anyone else anything. What an idiotic and naive perspective to have.
You essentially called everybody stupid rubes in your top-level comment, when many of them actually read the contract and saw for themselves the obvious of how crap and exploitive it is in so many ways. Then you got upset that they called you dumb for swallowing DW's take hook, line and sinker -- if you weren't so sensitive you'd appreciate the irony of that.
Then you read my comment, got upset that I disagreed with you and decided to lash out by accusing me of being insecure.
See, writing fiction is easy.
Actually thinking and conversing with people about things must be too difficult. Much easier to hurl insults and write fanfic in your head about people you disagree with.
Lauren Chen did a livestream today- she's been contracted w/ CRTV/Blaze, got offers from DW & Crowder. She said she's never seen or heard of those terms anywhere.
It's not standard, it doesn't even seem to be standard at Daily Wire. And Crowder was their "friend"
Bill Whittle actually worked with Crowder back at PJTV, and has done independent work with both Daily Wire and Crowder. He disagrees.
So does Viva Frei who is a lawyer with a small amount of experience in this space.
So does Jack Psobiac and Mike Cernovich.
So does Tim Pool.
So Candice Owens for what that’s worth.
Heck, Crowder himself believes it’s the standard because that’s the entire point behind “Stop Big Con”.
It’s besides the point anyways. It wasn’t a contract, it was a terms sheet. If you can’t arrive at a contract that both agree with, you don’t sign it. That’s all there is to it. What you DON’T do is air your dirty laundry.
Crowder’s little recording backfired, and rightly so. It was an underhanded thing to do.
You're getting buried but you're absolutely right. Also, Steven Crowder is a painfully unfunny knob with a squeaky voice.
It's to be expected. The dissident right are often just as tribalistic as the dissident left. This is what happens when people become desperate and angry.
I'm also realizing there's somewhat of a "cult of personality" built up around Crowder that will run to his defense no matter what he does. It's not a good look.
Crowder is definitely more anti-establishment than the Daily Wire, but that doesn't make him right by default.
Ben Shapiro and the DW are 100% in the right in this one, and Crowder is a slimy douchebag who is 100% in the wrong.
Crowder solicited a job offer from the DW
10/5/22: The DW gave him an offer of $50 million for 4 years, meant to be a starting point for negotiations (the document even says this, that it's a starting point and a framework, not a "take it or leave it" deal)
11/2/22: Crowder gets INSULTED by the offer, demands $30M per year, and demands the DW re-write the term sheet entirely instead of making edits to the one already provided.
11/14/22: DW rejects Crowder's demands.
12/12/22: Steven registers http://StopBigCon.com, planning a future hit piece on the DW to cast himself as a rebel against the establishment, and a victim.
1/7/23: Steven texts Jeremy in friendly fashion to ask if they can talk.
1/9/23: Steven calls Jeremy and secretly tapes him.
Then Crowder releases his little hit piece, lambasting the "contract" without mentioning that it was not a final offer but just a starting point. He cherry picked out certain contract provisions designed to share or mitigate risk, some of which were provisions I would personally disagree with as a little excessive, and which might have been inserted or exaggerated purely to be "traded away". I don't do business that way, but it's a standard business practice. Nothing wrong whatsoever with the DW doing it.
Crowder is a fucking baby. An idiot child. He doesn't seem to understand how the concept of negotiation works. His ego couldn't handle getting offered what he thought he deserved as a 1st offer, to the point where he got emotional and unprofessional about it.
Crowder's attacks on the DW amount to r-antiwork bullshit.
And yes, Crowder did the supremely scumbag move of knifing his fellow conservatives and friends in the back and trying to damage their reputation, all so he could generate hype, drama, and views for his new project launch.
I stopped reading at Crowder solicited a job offer. He did not
So what if he did? Letting a company that would be interested in hiring him know he will be availble to be hired and willing to consider being hired isn't anything nefarious.
I'm not saying it would be a problem. The guy is just factually incorrect from the jump so I'm not bothering with more
Yes, he did, through his agent. Agents act on behalf of their principal. The DW offer was not an unsolicited offer.
If Crowder was stupid enough to say "I didn't solicit the offer" - because his agent did - he's even more of an idiot child than I thought.
Jeremy Boering literally said in his response video he contacted Crowder's agent first.
False. I watched the video. Timestamp it. link me a "copy url at current time" to the park of Boering's video where he says he contacted Crowder's agent 1st.
Ben Shapiro said very clearly that Crowder's agent reached out to DW to solicit an offer. This is also something he and others at the DW have written specifically in tweets.
Not sure why you think it matters, but why would DW be sending Crowder an unsolicited offer when Crowder had not announced he was leaving his current job yet? How would they even know he was looking for work?
Has Crowder even claimed the offer was unsolicited? Yes or no? If you can't point to proof he has, then back off and stop trying to pick stupid fights because your brain doesn't function correctly and you jumped to stupid assumptions, then you want to attack me as wrong based on your stupid assumptions.
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Even if he is wrong, this isn't the same as disinformation.
Oh yeah it's AnTiWoRk to not want to sign away your voice to some corpo. Maybe DW should have known Crowder wouldn't want his money to be tied to YT who is known to fuck with him over bullshit like citing the CDC.
yes, it is actually "AnTiWoRk" to cry that a $50 million offer is a ‘Slave Contract’.
People like you, who are willing to sell out your morals and principles for enough money, is everything fucking wrong with this society.
People like me? You know nothing about me, dumbfuck. Take your meds, autist. I mean, you sat down and decided that your username would be "futacumdiet" futa being the japanese slang term for hemaphrodites. You're gross, degenerate.
At least I have a level of self-awareness that you will forever lack, you useless fuck.
Every time you open your mouth, you prove me right.
This is the same guy that encouraged sleeping with women in relationships and is pro hook up culture in general while claiming to be a right wing conservative
You just told us what kind of person you are, that you're fine with the contract, regardless of how bad it is, because it pays $50 million. You just said you'd sell yourself, your morality, and your principles, for money. Did you missrepresent your position, or word it strangely by accident? For reference, this was your previous reply:
The contract IS fine, but all the Crowder fanbois in here are crying their eyes out for him like DW is an evil exploiting enslaver because some of the provisions of a negotiable $50 million first offer were a little skewed to DW as you'd expect.
Holy shit the cognitive dissonance of a bunch of losers with no money crying on behalf of a dude who balked at $12.5 million a year to sit at a desk and give his opinions of the day's news for like an hour, 4 times a week.
$12.5 million!!!?? That's a slave wage!!! IM WORTH 30 MILLION!!!!!
LOL and you fanbois dick riding an arrogant primadonna who thinks he's worth more than he's actually worth.
No I didn't and you're a fucking idiot for accusing me of such.
You people are worse than the Dim Fool fans when I used to shit on him.
I have no skin in this game other than the truth. I don't watch or subscribe to Crowder or the Daily Wire. I don't care how much or how little money they make. I care about what's right.
No, it's not. It lowballs Crowder's worth (this is moderately debatable). It gives Crowder all the risk and Daily Wire all the reward. It gives Daily Wire sole ownership of everything Crowder produces. It infringes on Crowder's free speech. If Crowder gets censored by Big Tech for saying anything verboten, Daily Wire punishes/fines him. That means Daily Wire isn't just acquiescing to Big Tech censorship, but actively enforcing it. They also hid how bad the contract was behind legalese, requiring a lawyer to tell Crowder how badly he'd be getting screwed, or negotiate it. That means the people at Daily Wire who wrote and approved that contract are liars, intentionally obfuscating the truth to screw someone else over. At best, it means Daily Wire prioritize money over truth. At worst, it means they're intentionally setting themselves up as a false choice to right wingers, providing milquetoast pre approved opinions and censored half truths.
Good people don't do that. Good people don't give out contracts like that. Don't try to sell me on the "well that's just the way it is". It's a fallacious argument, attempting to claim that just because something is that way, that it's right. Bull. It's only that way precisely because bad people continue to act badly, and aren't, at the minimum, called out, identified, and criticized by good people.
Daily Wire also admitted, after the fact, that it was a standard contract, which means all, or most, of their other content creators are bound by it. They also told their minions to attack Crowder after they were stupid enough to out themselves.
Crowder never said who it was, at first. His entire point is that those contracts were bullcrap, and that requiring a lawyer to unf*ck the legalese is bullcrap. Many newcomers can't afford a lawyer, and would end up getting screwed. Just because it could've been negotiated doesn't mean that offer was any less bad. If it was signed, it would've become a contract.
The fact that you defend this, all because of the monetary amount, proves that you're not a good person either. Your morality is based entirely around money.
I quoted your own words admitting as much in the previous reply. You failed to clarify it. Instead you opted to attack and ridicule me. That means you resort to logically fallacious arguments. Not only do you support bad people, bad practices, and bad morality, but you're a liar as well. Your behavior is consistent, pointing entirely one way. You've shown who you are. Thank you for doing that, at least.
What a retarded take.
$50 million for what? $50 million is a lot of money to offer for a nobody. $50 million for someone that's worth $100 million on their own is an insult.
And I'm not saying that either one is the case: I'm saying that you aren't giving enough details to make "$50 million" mean anything, which makes your point fucking retarded.
Yeah, I'd at least consider DW's deal- would try to negotiate some of the terms but honestly that shitty deal would still be pretty good for me. But I'm not one of the biggest stars in the industry.
$50 million is a lot of money objectively and if you think Crowder is worth more, then the burden of proof is on him to establish that, which he did not do.
thanks for calling me a retard just because you disagree with me, though, asshole. reminds me of why I never stay around this sub for long. too many fucking autists in here.
While I wouldn't insult your points, because I like that there is at least someone to provide an alternative view to the hivemind, he did not call you a retard. He said that your takes and points were 'retarded'.
his intention was to be insulting on a personal level and to engage in name calling. he wanted me to be offended purely because he didn't like my opinion, and he wanted to basically punish me for having an opinion he didn't agree with by trying to make me feel bad with his hostility and negativity.
it does not matter if he said "you are a retard". repeatedly calling someone's "take" retarded has the same effect and is guided by the same malicious/hostile motive. He also had an extremely mild point to make which did not remotely justify his extreme language, so it was just a pretext to wrap his hostility around.
Sorry, I'm one of those 'Putin shills' you love to complain about so I thought the name calling was just how you liked to engage with people, though I will admit that you tend to just call everyone names and not specific people. I'll be more sensitive of your precious feelings in the future ... ignoring all of the mud slinging I see you engaging with in other parts of the thread.
(anyone who agrees with Crowder is an antiwork commie)
Need I go on, precious? I'm sure they all deserved it.
And even though I generally like you, your take was still retarded.
I can call your point retarded without being insulting on a personal level. At times, I do think you have had retarded takes, but rarely. Calling me an FSB contractor is on that level, but I don't hold it against you because I still judge people by the overall value of their contributions.
That is not punishment. That is just criticism.
So then you are both in the wrong.
Moving the goalposts here.
According to you. Are you Daily Wire's lawyer? No? Then your opinion is kind of irrelevant here.
Wah.
I can see I'm not wanted here...
That only makes me want to stay longer and trigger losers like you harder.
Cope & seethe, "you piece of shit." HAHAHAHA dumb faggot hasn't commented in a month and came out of retirement just to talk shit to me. I must be winning.
Oh, and 6870 post score, 17706 comment score. You haters are in the minority. 0 fucks given about you and hate. you're blocked.
Slavery isn't about getting money, it's about being unfree and being owned by others.
Some slaves actually did earn wages.
The whole Jewish model of slavery states that slaves are to be paid. (This isn't a statement on jews)
If Crowder did not like the idea of selling the fruits of his labor for money, he should not have solicited an offer for exactly that.
You turned down my job offer because it required you to let me fuck your wife??
Well if you didn't want a job why did you ask for one????
Hey Steve, we'd like to pay you $50 million-
WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO FUCK MY WIFE??!?!?!?
Umm, no... we aren't asking for that at all-
SERIOUSLY SHE'S THE MOTHER OF MY KIDS YOU SICK FUCK, WHY ARE YOU SO OBSESSED WITH FUCKING HER?!?!
You must be confused, we have no interest in your wife.
WHAT THE FUCK, NOW YOU'RE CALLING MY WIFE UGLY???
Yeah bro, no wife fucking going on here. Cry me a fucking river for a spoiled prick who turns up his nose at $50 million.
He's not talking about this offer specifically.
He's just saying that "FIFTY MILLION" does not make it not slavery, which you keep claiming.
Stop forcing me to take the other side, because I do agree that these terms - stupid though they were - are not 'slavery'.
I don't think anyone is disputing that. The dispute is over the more far-reaching elements.
His alternative is to work even harder on an independent network.
The easy way out is to take someone else's money, retard.
Watch Nick Rekieta's coverage of this and see if you still think this way. You are also missing Crowder's whole point, it isn't about the money, its about acknowledging DW has to toe the big tech line to make money and making money is more important to them than telling the uncensored truth.
I'm a better lawyer than he is, and I don't want to spend 7 hours watching one of his livestreams while he rambles on. I just checked his YT and he didn't post a video on this. I don't see what value Nick Rekieta's would possibly add to mine. I've probably negotiated a lot more contracts than he has.
So you mean exactly the same thing Crowder does every day on his Youtube channel? That he is doing right now? Crowder is a massive hypocrite attacking the DW for putting in the contract "if you go full Kanye and get mass banned everywhere so we can't monetize your content, we can cut your pay" when Crowder censors himself every day and has a whole segment that says "if you want to see my takes too hot for Youtube, go to my web site". This is exactly the same thing DW hosts say and do to direct traffic to the DW web site.
Weren't you the dumbass arguing with me on reddit that cops can't order passengers out of vehicles?? Not sure if I can take you seriously when you were wrong about something I learned before even going to law school.
If Tom Brady wants to come play for your team and you offer him a contract that even a fucking rookie would balk at, why the fuck should he waste his time and money "negotiating"?
If you went to go buy a car that you know is worth around $30K, and the salesman immediately begins trying to sell it to you for $75K with a 12% APR finance option, are you going to waste your time dealing with this slimeball or are you going to walk?
That a """""friend""""" would insult you so openly and brazenly with a garbage offer means he isn't actually a friend, he's a fucking asshole.
Daily Wire couldn't even fucking bother to write him a custom contract. If they did, half of that shit in that contract wouldn't have still been in there, because they would KNOW he's already demonetized on Youtube. But they left that garbage in there, because they. didn't. fucking. care.
A friend would care enough to at least start around what you're actually worth, and at least bother to put in more than six seconds of effort to build something functional to work from. Boering couldn't be bothered to do that, he was too busy looking at the digits in his bank account.
Why is it that you hand friction enthusiasts always defend the DW's bullshit awful opening offer as 'a negotiation point', but then you turn around and scream that Crowder is a thieving greedy primadonna grifter with his counter-offer? Funny how your defense of negotiations only goes one way.
Also, it's funny how Crowder's entire fucking point is that this wasn't even about money. It was about Daily Wire enslaving up-and-comers to trash contracts, like a sleazy record company in the 90s, and choking them for shekels.
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Has any proof at all been provided for this?
Unlike most people here, I can actually see both sides. Crowder wants the company to uphold principles. But the Daily Wire is taking a huge risk by spending so much money, and they want some assurances. You can't risk the future of a company on nothing. Both are correct. My heart is with Crowder and my head is with the Daily Wire.
Like I always tell you about politicians, all companies are also equally evil. They have to be, or they'd go out of business. Morally, it is indefensible to punish Crowder if he gets demonetized by SV oligarchs, but in business terms, it is probably inevitable.
I remember you bragging that workers in America have '3 sick days a year' (or something). I told you that in Europe, there is no such thing as a sick day, and if you're sick, you're sick. In this case, he gets his pay deducted if he gets sick at all. So I am on his side on that one, just like I support the railroad workers striking for sick days.
I see both sides actually. I just think that DW's side is invalidated because it accomplishes nothing in the long run. It's how England kept appeasing Hitler and slowly watched Europe be swallowed.
The appeasement analogy does not work, because the DW is not strong enough to take on Youtube, while England and France were strong enough to take on Germany in 1936 and 1938.
In fact, it makes sense to husband your strength and not rock the boat as the DW while you get stronger, if I want to play devil's advocate.
DW is solid enough already to have an alternative viewing platform because they do. Punishing for being demontized on YouTube shouldn't be uttered much less written in a contract offer
As long as you can also see the point for DW.
Both Shapiro and Boering said so. I don't see why they would if it wasn't true. The point they made is that their number was too far apart from what Crowder wanted, so they politely let him know they couldn't do it and didn't proceed further. In other words, it makes sense and fits the facts. Crowder hasn't denied it afaik.
I can see both sides, I just don't like Crowder's "side" or what he did.
That's bullshit. The DW contract doesn't violate any principles. Crowder's primary business is his Youtube channel. That was true last year and it's true now. Crowder routinely censors himself on Youtube and openly says so. So he's a giant hypocrite to attack DW for expecting him to continue to do what he is already doing on that particular platform.
Do you think DW ought to pay Crowder in full if he takes the deal and then says "haha bitches I'm going full Kanye now and you can't do shit about it!!!" That's dumb.
DW just wanted to apportion the risk so that Crowder bore part of the risk of his own actions, so that he would have every incentive to maintain effectively the status quo instead of doing something crazy which could nuke their investment in him.
Profit seeking is not evil. You sound like a communist. Capitalism and its system of checks and balances enable people to behave SELFISHLY in a manner that accrues to the common GOOD. This harnessing of human selfishness and making it strive towards the betterment of humanity is not evil, it is the very definition of goodness. Altruism is not inherently "good". If everyone was irrationally altruist, humanity would stagnate and be stuck in poverty forever since no one would strive and sacrifice out of ambition.
Sure, capitalism is not perfect and people find wants to exploit it, which is why Ancap is stupid and unworkable, but on the whole, capitalism and rational self-interest are the only reason why you and I can sit in a nice home and type to each other across the world on a computer. All advanced human development traces to it.
"You have to pay me full boat even if I purposely tank the value of my brand" is a good way to destroy a company by enabling perverse incentives. The purpose of contracts is to provide guidelines so everyone behaves according to expectations and there are no surprises.
No, I didn't "brag" about that. California has 3 days. The US as a whole has no requirement. Despite this, the average workers get is 8 days, because it turns out that companies will give people benefits even if not mandated by the government.
He isn't a salaried employee. He is a business owner who would be basically licensing his business to another company for 4 years. His pay did not get deducted if he got sick, it got reduced IF HE DIDN'T PRODUCE THE CONTENT HE WAS BEING PAID FOR, which is perfectly fair. The contract only calls for 4 shows per week, with 4 weeks off per year. That's a lot less than most Americans work. Many hosts keep a bank of some pre-recorded shows that they have available to use to cover things like sickness and vacation, not because of a contract, but because the algo punishes you if you don't release on a regular schedule.
They are both actively involved in this controversy, and defending themselves, so not exactly the most reliable narrators here.
You always think that you are very objective. But it's clear that you are anti-Crowder, even insulting him personally. So not very objective.
I like them both. I'm actually a DW+ subscriber.
And yet he got demonetized, something that the contract prop says would get his salary reduced.
It is not in his control. You are definitely wrong for suggesting that it is 'due to Crowder's actions' if he does get banned or demonetized. Surely, as the most banned person here, you would know that.
No, but let me ask you the counterpoint. If Crowder just posts innocuous content, and Youtube decides to ban him because of a lisping millionaire-kid communist Mexican complains about it - should he be punished for it?
That can be better expressed than it was here, by limiting it to such cases where he actually crosses the line. As a lawyer, you know that.
You think a lot of things sound like communism. But surely, an FSB contractor needs to keep up appearances.
No, this is absurd. You are paraphrasing Adam Smith, but what he said is that the butcher's selfishness is guided by an invisible hand to benefit the common good, not that the selfishness is automatically a moral good. And it's not a good here either, though I am very happy the DW exists.
It's not evil to try to protect your country's national security against say dangerous neighbors either, but you definitely would not claim that anything using that as a pretext is the definition of goodness.
Some will. But even 8 days is rather paltry. As bad as our governments are, and they are terrible, but I'll give them credit for stuff like this.
You are conflating the number of shows a week with the number of days worked. I can't speak about the matter, but according to that "Australian Mormon sword guy" you hate so much, it takes him a full workweek to produce two videos. Now, he no doubt has less staffing, but it's not as easy as you make it out to be.
So you redline that part. Big deal.
A LOT of big youtubers don't monetize or let themselves stay demonetized because they monetize their Youtube viewership in other ways, and couldn't care less about Youtube's shitty ads. When I've seen breakdowns of revenue, at most Youtube ads only make up like 15% of the monetization a big channel gets. Most of the real money comes from ad reads, merch, and farming subs to things like patreon or their own web site.
I see a lot of youtubers say shit like "omg youtube is demonetizing me!!! show them they can't stop us by subscribing to my patreon!!!" Youtube ads aren't even that lucrative, and people like me have never seen one because I've been adblocking since forever.
It 100% is within his control, outside of very unusual circumstances, as he full well knows since it is his primary platform. Big channels like him get special treatment and don't get banned easily, moreso because he does politics and if he got banned, the whole Right would get up in arms. This actually happened once years ago and Ben Shapiro personally intervened with Youtube to help Crowder.
I get banned on Reddit. Reddit is a bunch of seething libtard trannies. Youtube doesn't ban as easily as Reddit does.
So DW would give him a 90 day grace period and fight on his behalf before anything changed. If that didn't work out, there are legal principles such as "mutual mistake of fact" where the contract would fail and the parties could re-negotiate. The contract does not specifically contemplate "what if your ban is total bullshit and outside of your control". This is once again something that could be negotiated.
Lawyers are not PR agents or diplomats. The lawyer's job is to protect the client.
No, I just made it up. It's just my own opinion.
Capitalism is what transforms it into a public good, by using it to fuel a fundamentally fair system driven by impartial market forces where everyone is forced into good behavior out of self interest. I didn't say "selfishness is goodness" I said "harnessing selfishness to produce good is goodness". That is what capitalism does.
Ukraine was minding its own business and no threat to Russia. Russia bullied it and invaded because Putin wanted the legacy of a conqueror and to expand Russian power through imperial conquest. You yourself, early in the war when you thought victory was possible, gleefully added up Ukraine's population size and natural resources into Russia's column like it was a video game of map painting conquest, where Russia would somehow use Ukraine's population and resources to launch its next war of aggression until it took over the whole world and Putin finally stopped the gay pride parades. lol
No no no. Shadversity makes hours-long videos he spends a ton of time researching and getting assets and such for. Crowder's content is nothing like that, it's exactly like Ben Shapiro's daily show. He just sits at a desk alone and talks to the camera.
Ben Shapiro has already explained what his daily work schedule is like. His daily show only takes a couple hours to do. This makes sense, since all he is doing is riffing on the day's headlines. He spends the vast majority of his day on social media, with family, and working on side projects.
The demands placed on Crowder were actually really low, and MUCH lower than what Ben does himself. Ben does his show 5 days a week, does 2 shows (one for youtube, one for DW's site) though it's really just 1 show split. He also does college speaking events and debates, does side projects like his book club, writes actual books, and runs DW itself.
All Crowder was being asked to do was basically 5-10 hours a week on making daily shows, and then 1 small project per quarter and 1 bigger project per year. It's basically a part time work schedule. Maybe 20 hours a week. It would free him up for a ton of stuff on the side or let him just take it easy and relax.
IDK how people in this sub are sitting there acting like Crowder was being slave-driven. When I worked at law firms they worked me to the bone, 60+ hour weeks were normal.
But then you contradict your own point that it's totally justified (or maybe you think this was one of the parts that should be struck out) to penalize Crowder 20% or whatever it was, for being demonetized.
The fact that they demonetized and then tried to ban him for mocking a lisping communist homosexual Mexican speaks volumes. That they didn't succeed 100% last time is no reason to say that it is in his own hands. It may be not be as bad as Reddit, but that is not saying much.
It speaks only of bans, which would cover "when your ban is total bullshit and outside your country".
Eh, I'm sure you can write a provision that penalizes Crowder if he goes over the line intentionally, but not if he is attacked by Youtube without adequate cause.
It's almost word for word Adam Smith, so you definitely got it from him, even if unconsciously.
Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influence, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist. Madmen in authority, who hear voices in the air, are distilling their frenzy from some academic scribbler of a few years back.
And I agree, but then it follows that not everything done in the name of that is good.
That shithole puppet non-country was importing weapons, attacking the Donbas, threatening to produce nuclear weapons days before the start of the war, and lobbying the US to sanction Nord Stream 2. Most certainly not minding its own business.
Possible? Guaranteed, if Russia keep its act together.
That sounds like the fantasy of anti-Russia morons.
From what I have seen, he has quite a bit of prepared material. So it is not as easy as you suggest.
You work harder for yourself than you do for others.
See, I heard about that, and that's why I decided to become a Reddit mod and not a lawyer. I'm a lazy European.
It was 20% for being banned, which is totally generous. If Crowder got banned from Youtube now, he would lose way more than 20% of his income.
It's an obvious enough concept that I didn't get it from him, just like I didn't get gravity from Newton. It's just the concept that capitalism takes selfish human nature and forges it into a system that leads to consistent growth and development.
Literally every country does this. "omg they have a military, HOW DARE THEY".
You mean "the Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine"? I don't think they were "attacking" anyway, even though it was their own country. The front lines there were just sitting stalemated for years and years.
lol no. that didn't happen. maybe you have a tweet from some rando? maybe? but nobody believed that Ukraine had either the capability or the will to actually try to develop nukes. What Ukraine DID have was shitloads of nukes which they voluntarily gave up for false promises of security. Big regrets there. Ukraine should have kept its nukes. Then they never would have been invaded.
lol that's not a justification for war. Countries can say whatever they want.
Sounds like the Wagner group is going to run out of Russia's entire prison population well before they even manage to take Bakhmut.
So like 2 interns wrote him an outline and got screenshots of shit off the internet? lol that's not a lot of work.
Of course you did. Otherwise, you would be a genius of Newton's stature to figure it out on your own.
And as you know very well, mass armament and mobilization is often regarded as rather threatening by neighbors. Particularly when you are assaulting the Donbas and have every intention of occupying the Crimea.
Yeah, the regions who don't want to go along with the coup against the president they elected. Problem?
This didn't happen: https://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/ukrayina-iniciyuye-provedennya-konsultacij-u-mezhah-budapesh-73001
As John Mearsheimer said at the time.
You claimed Ukraine was minding its own business. Clearly not. I'd be rather cross if my neighbor was trying to sabotage me as well.
Sounds like a win-win.
Remember when Shapiro claimed that Trumps security threw his coworker to the ground
good look. Shapiro wasn't even involved. Jeremy Boreing isn't jewish.
edit: thanks for proving how gross the people in here are. big upvotes for the literal jew hater. gross.
you've revealed your true colours traitor
why do you hate the jews?
why don't you?
I mean, if it makes you devolve into a tumblr girl level retard who can only go "wow I can't even, like that's so gross you guys" I'll even fake being a Jew hater.
so your logic is that my calling people "gross" for antisemitism, is worse then the antisemitism.
yeah bro I think you're just antisemitic with a very lame excuse.
No, I just think your chimping out is funny, just like their antisemitism is often funny.
I'm one of those woman haters like Imp, Jews are irrelevant to my care most days.
Do these people understand that the content side of things is different from the business side? Probably, they just want to blame da Joooz.
That is why I fear that Crowder may fail on his own. He is excellent at the content side, so I hope he gets someone who is great at business.
Do you understand that punishing people if tech decides they broke am arbitrary rule kills all legitimate opposition
We all understand that. That is why I am still sympathetic to Crowder.
But you can't run a business that way, I also understand that.
It only has bad outcomes. Either your company punishes its employees for being censored by Big Tech, which incentivizes boycotts and censorship, or it doesn't and it continues operating at a loss - possibly bringing the whole Daily Wire down.
The Daily Wire would not be brought down without YouTube AD revenue. They also have a separate monetization model running anyway.
Sponsors that are already willing to back them are not going to leave because a caster says that CDC data shows that Covid is negligent for children.
Well Black Rifle Coffee might but fuck em.
It might not be brought down, but it would be a major hit. Considering what they are trying to do in building an alternative to all sorts of things, I'd rather have the DW take in a lot of money.
That's the fucking problem, they're not building an alternative. They claim they are while following big tech to a t. Only tech approved talking here is what that contract screams.