Lies can only maintain themselves within a civilization so long as their negative effects are minimal, and covered up by success, abundance, safety, and comfort. This normally happens with civilizations at their peak, as the citizenry abandon the hard truths and replace them with easy lies, usually to pursue hedonism in one form or another, and place their burdens on others to do for them.

Successful civilizations at their peak can cover up the consequences of these lies quite well, riding off the built upon successes of their ancestors. However, as time goes on, these lies grow in number and magnitude, both in how much they're accepted by the citizenry and their negative effects upon the civilization. Lies degrade civilization and pull it down toward collapse. The more lies that are embraced, the worse the lies, and the number of people that accept them, the greater this downward force.

Kant's categorical imperative shows that all groups of people, including civilizations, rise or fall based on the average behaviors of the people. If a growing number of people within a civilization no longer believe, think, or behave in a way to maintain the civilization, much less improve it, the it will degrade toward collapse. A parasite class will grow steadily over time, the people who accept the lies, take from the producers and maintainers of civilization, and act in ways contrary to what is needed to keep civilization functioning. Currently this many forms, like corrupt politicians, feminists, career women, anti-natalists, drug users, video game addicts, porn addicts, hedonists, corrupt corporations, liberals, most non-whites, boomers who keep heaping monetary debt on their progeny, individualists, the apathetic, whores (men and women), LGBTQ, perpetual welfare users, etc. These people keep taking more and more from the producers, and don't think, speak, or act in a way that maintains civilization, pulling it down. These parasites live off the hard work of the producers, who decrease in number over time due to shouldering an increasing burden, and they either drop out of society, flee, or become a parasite themselves. After enough time, the system can't maintain itself, because there are so few producers and so many takers, and it collapses.

This "fatigue" is coming mostly from the few remaining producers and good people that are left, who are weary of being taken advantage of by vast swaths of hypocrites. You can only push good people so far before they snap. Lies can't maintain themselves forever. As civilization accelerated toward collapse, under the weight of all the lies, hypocrisies, and parasites, all of the success, abundance, safety, and comfort go away, revealing the lies and the hard truths which were abandoned. The negative effects of the lies grow until they hurt everyone, severely. This forces people to reevaluate and question everything.

The ones that know the truth grow weary very rapidly, as they're surrounded by idiots and hypocrites, and the negative consequences of the lies become so profound and systemic across civilization that there's little reason to hold back any more, and crass truths are spoken increasingly openly, to the shock of the idiots still clinging to the lies. The punishments for speaking wrong think become increasingly outweighed by the growing consequences of the systemic lies. So, open hostility and fatigue grows, and idiotic questions of "how could you say that?" are retorted with things like "so fucking what?", and grow ever more truthfully caustic by the day.

We're only in the beginning stages of this "fatigue" and hostility. It's going to keep getting worse, especially as the opposing sides increasingly polarize, and the good people realize the controlled right, and all other supposedly trustworthy institutions, have been lying to them for decades.

The Greater Israel plan.

His establishing shots in the Dune movies were so long, that the combined run time of the 2 movies was equal to the 3 part Dune miniseries on Scifi, which were largely accurate to the books, and even included extra material, whereas Villeneuve's movies left out a ton of material, and changed a lot.

There was also the entire Tsar family that was murdered to start Soviet Russia.

And the incredibly long establishing shots that eat up half the movie, leaving little time for plot, action, or storytelling.

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I nominate this phrase as the first to be cast into the fiery pits of hell for eternal torment and damnation, and may God not have mercy upon it.

Different, yes, but it still means we were involved. Much of the U.S. interventionism and military action the last 100 years hasn't even been through a declaration of war through Congress, and much of that conflict we were involved in was clandestine, using organizations like the CIA to funnel money, arms, training, aid, intel, and personnel to "rebels", to oust and murder foreign leaders, to topple foreign governments, to create false flags to get us involved in larger scale wars. We've been neck deep in conflict for a long time, "officially" or not.

Israel (and jews in general) are absolutely screwed. This is because the U.S. is screwed. Everything that we (the people in power and all the useful idiots going along with it) could be doing to collapse our nation (and entire civilization), we're doing, with gusto. Money printing, endless inflation, a shit job market, devaluation of the currency to uselessness, mass importation of foreign workers, outsourcing, making it nearly impossible to eat or pay the bills for the average man, demonizing all rationality and the most mundane of positions, censoring men and pushing them into the far right, giving no effective outlets for men (clubs, hobbies, stories, heroes, privileges), corrupting all political parties and leaders, leaving no effective political alternative, blatant corruption and cheating in politics, pushing citizenry toward only one possible solution, endless foreign wars and conflicts, the blatant hypocrisy and anti-White hatred in all modern media, intentionally importing people who can't maintain our systems, antagonism of the native (White) people such that support for the corrupt systems steadily decreases, neutering of the military enforcement of globohomo, media and governments lying so blatantly that even the normiest of normies are noticing, giving people so little option in how to fix our problems that open discussion of the most verboten topics is now occurring and accelerating, the push of LGBTQ and pedophilia, putting more and more burden (taxes, police, enforcement, upholding civilization) on the backs of fewer and fewer men/producers, importing and creating more and more parasites/takers, pushing men away from upholding civilization via apathy and hedonism (drugs, porn, video games, etc.) or out of society in total (homesteading, farming, leaving for other nations), etc.....

Once the American empire collapses, all of globohomo collapses, including the lion's share of the military industrial complex, the propaganda machine, the fiat dollar, central banking, OPEC, the poisonous medical industry, the "food" industry, globalism in general,...everything collapses. The U.S. military is the primary enforcer of globalism and protector of Israel. Once America (and the West) collapses, Israel is 100% fucked. Once the propaganda machine collapses, jews everywhere are 100% fucked, because everyone is going to look to who caused this shitstorm, the propaganda will be gone, and the people who keep being proven right (the race realists and jew aware people) are going to gain an increasing audience and following.

The only way they survive is somehow clawing back the US millennials and younger generations. How would they do that?

They're going to try to push the Kalergi plan as hard as possible, but it's going to backfire the more they do this. Non-whites can't be race shamed like White people because the foundational myth of globohomo is WW2 and the Holocaust. Jews may try to push the "God's chosen people" propaganda via Christian corruption, especially among the Christian central and south Americans, but I don't think it'll work well. Too many young people are waking up to the truth. Granted, non-whites vote left wing in majority, giving them a better voting base, but voting hasn't mattered for a while now, and nons can't maintain Western civilization, leading to incompetency crises everywhere they take over, which will cause the American empire and Western civilization to crash even faster.

The only thing they can do at this point is to slow roll the collapse as much as possible. They can only slow it down, not stop it. I think a lot of them know what's coming, which is why so many of them are building underground bunkers, hoping to ride out the shitstorm they're creating. They may try to flee to competing foreign nations, like Russia and China, in the hopes of subverting them as much as the U.S., to turn them into a new golem enforcer, but I don't think that'll be effective either. Once the collapse hits, once the American empire and Western civilization collapses, it will affect the entire planet, on a massive scale.

What most black pillers assume is that this civilizational collapse will lead to the complete annihilation of White people. They're wrong. Collapse is necessary to root out the systemic corruption and evil in our nations that we can't fix any other way. In addition to completely neutering the monopoly on information sharing (except for the internet) and the propaganda machine, the collapse will cause mass ethnic violence and ethnic collectivism (even among the propagandized White population). This will push a lot (perhaps most) of the parasitic non-white freeloaders back to their countries of origin, reinforcing the White collectivism happening at the same time. It'll take years to reestablish White nations free from the corruption, but once that takes place, those White nations will be out for blood, and even more violence and wars will take place. Some might speculate we will become insular and peaceful after the collapse and initial conflicts, but the only leaders who will attract any support will be incredibly strong, and have zero remorse toward our enemies. Weak leaders will be completely abandoned, or lead to the deaths of all who follow them.

For unpopular wars, the MIC overthrow governments and install regimes incrementally. They ramp things up, tone them back down, and then later, once that's forgotten, ramp it up even higher, then tone it back down, and repeat this process until they get what they want. They did this with Syria very recently, to oust Assad. They've been doing it against Russia, too, for many years now.

They had the 9/11 propaganda to push GWOT on multiple countries, but too many people have woken up and aren't buying it any more, so they have to be more careful with their obvious warmongering. I think the red pill on jews and Israel has gotten so widespread that I don't think they'll be able to incrementally do this again, though, without massive backlash. The other option for them, mirroring 9/11, is that they'll perpetrate false flags on the West to try to push a larger war against Iran. If nukes or dirty bombs are involved, it might push toward a larger global conflict against Russia, as all of the Western media lately is saying that China, Russia, and North Korea are willing to give Iran nukes. While this may be true, it gives plausible deniability to another false flag where a clandestine group (like the CIA or Mossad) would perpetrate the attack, enabling jewish controlled governments and media to blame Iran/Russia/whoever, to push for the war they want.

These smaller conflicts and proxy wars (like Ukraine) also help to continually fund the military industrial complex, to spend munitions and keep the money flowing to produce more weapons, missiles, and bombs.

If we were involved, with manpower, training, arming, and funds, via proxies, then we were involved in a full on war. It doesn't matter if it was unofficial or via clandestine organizations.

Are you unaware of the fact that ISIS, and most (all?) of the Syrian "rebels" who were fighting against Assad were created, manned, funded, armed, and trained by Western powers through the CIA and Mossad? We were absolutely involved in ousting Assad, and were involved for years.

Trump bombed Syria his first term. Tell me again...what happened to Syria after that?

Since 1979 (earliest report I've seen). 46 years.

If you bomb any nuclear facility, even with conventional bombs, it's just like detonating a dirty bomb, spreading radioactive material everywhere. No shit people would evacuate the area. Do you expect people to stay next to a nuclear power plant that's about to get bombed?

Everyone claiming "Iran has nukes" or "Iran is building nukes" are lying. These people have been lying to us for over 100 years.

The most important lesson: don't trust known liars.

[addition] Trump just confirmed if Iran doesn't "negotiate peace" (acquiescence to the demands of warmongers and liars) then Trump is going to bomb more targets in Iran.

Nice. The work I've put into mentally projecting racial epithets into the heads of nons is progressing wonderfully.

It is important and I wouldn't take it away from anyone. But, much like alcohol before it, saying "your truth without inhibitions" isn't always your actual truth. Its marred by factors, and is not always what you truly feel when you actually sit and think about it.

You're comparing internet anonymity to drunkenness? One enables a person to say something free of consequence. The other is altering people's brain chemistry to say things they normally wouldn't.

In simplest cases, the echo chamber. With it, you will say things you don't entirely believe out of fear of being against the grain, even if completely anonymous without any actual consequence. That's human nature. Same with the reversal where you say things to fit in better and get those precious dopamine hits from upvotes. Not to mention being surrounded by people gives immense social pressure in this regard regardless on if dissenting opinions are welcome, compared to simple 1v1 conversations.

I agree with this for the most part, but it doesn't really prove either side true or false definitively. People, regardless of context, always seek out people that are like them and believe like they do. All groups are technically "echo chambers" to some degree, along the lines of what they agree upon as a group. People are less likely to go against the grain to avoid being ostracized by the group, which in the olden days amounted to expulsion and death in the wilderness. People are less likely to go against the grain, or vociferously disagree with something in a group, if the disagreement is small, if the group is healthy, and if the person doesn't want to fracture the group.

None of those variables hold true for most modern disagreements. Out problems are systemic, foundational, and deadly, and most groups are dysgenic, apathetic, fractured, atomized, and unhealthy. Given the circumstances of the modern world, anonymity still provides useful cover for people to speak the truth without consequence. Upvotes and downvotes are the most mild form of reward and consequence given to speech, in the entirety of human history, considering the current consequences for speaking wrongthink in person lead to being unpersoned by friends, family, and society, getting doxxed, being fired, getting debanked, being assaulted, and being murdered. The disparity is so extreme as to prove the point I was making.

That's without even getting into the murky waters that real life people actually are representing themselves, while online you can just say shit to say it for the fun of it or just to get it out of your system. Unless you think every person who ever said nigger on CoD was making a hard stance on racism.

You're trying to use the exception to disprove the rule. It doesn't work like that. There are definitely people who intentionally troll others online, and people do the same in real life with practical jokes or just being an asshole. But, that doesn't mean all speech is like that, or the majority of speech is like that. I agree, however, that many people pretend to be things they're not, just to maintain their position within whatever groups they occupy. Modernity is replete with examples, though, proving how unhealthy that behavior is when the groups no longer function on behalf of the people and for their good. Modern society is decaying, degenerate, dysgenic, corrupt, and on the verge of collapse. People need outlets to express the truth, free from the consequences of the tyranny and insanity we're living in.

As the world makes less and less sense, as things get worse, as we drift further from truth, more and more people will speak out against the falsehoods and lies, even if it means being punished, being ostracized, fracturing the groups they're a part of, going against the grain, or popping the false consensus "echo chamber".

Because it jammed a completely unrelated topic into a different one with the worst non-sequitur I've seen in a while, seemingly just to say "I BELIEVE IN JESUS."

What a strange objection. Are you aware of how insanely tangential most discussions are, online and in real life? Many conversations can end up on the other side of the known universe in just a few minutes or a few replies. Are you critical of all tangents in conversation, or just the one where this anon brought up Jesus? If you're not, then you're being a hypocrite. Out of curiosity, what's your religion? I assume you're not critical of other tangents in other conversations, so I must assume you're latching onto any criticism you can of Joe_Shmo, in a veiled attempt to undercut him.

If you're still unaware, after I brought it up, Joe_Shmo was criticizing Trump and his fanbase, for idolatry. The criticism is relevant to the discussion at hand, considering what Trump has been doing, and how his fanbase react to any negative comment about him. This very thread proves the point.

Said nothing of the sort, said if he acted like that in public then nobody would. Because its an insufferable trait to have to simply throw Jesus into a conversation that isn't related to him. We've all met that person and if you haven't you should go to more churches.

It was a safe assumption given what you said here:

And if he does, nobody likes him for being cringe and annoying for shoehorning it in even if they agree with him.

Since he "shoehorned" Jesus into the discussion here, you're making the explicit claim that "nobody likes him" for "bring cringe". You're trying to pass your own feelings onto everyone else here, to present a false popularity/consensus, when in reality you can only speak for your feelings. Don't presume to speak for others, and don't manipulate conversations like that to try and prop up your own position. It's incredibly manipulative, dishonest, presumptive, and fallacious.

With regard to bringing up Jesus, I hang out with a lot of Christians, and I have my entire life, and very very few of them any more bring up Jesus in conversation, because they've been so thoroughly mocked, attacked, and degraded. The entirety of Christianity has been under constant assault by TPTB and their controlled institutions for decades. I'd rather people bring up Jesus, discuss the Bible, and profess their faith more openly, not less. We've seen the direct correlative consequences of the decline of Christianity in the West, and the downfall of the West, in just 100 years.

I know nothing about him, his name or his history. This is the first time I even register reading his name. And by the weekend if I see him elsewhere I won't remember he said this to color my thoughts about him. Good try though.

Fair enough. I suppose it's just your visible hatred of this particular tangent, of him bringing up Jesus into the discussion to criticize Trump and his sycophants, that seems to have roused your ire.

I see why you see sycophants everywhere. You've lowered the bar so deep that its "doesn't agree with me" and "doesn't immediately doomer about him." I can disagree with his comment because I'm capable of the nuance necessary to support someone without worshiping them like a messiah.

Ahhhh okay. You're now admitting that it was Joe_Shmo's criticism of Trump that you didn't like.

Feel free to peruse my profile. I'm extremely hesitant to paint things in black and white, to ignore all nuance and subtlety, to not explain it, acknowledge it, or explore it, except if the truth is obvious and plain. I call them sycophants because that's exactly how they act. Not all Trump supporters, but many. There is clearly a distinction, but the criticism of their behavior still stands. Your own defense of Trump is proof of this, even in this conversation. You're twisting and manipulating reality, flat out denying out in the open behavior of millions of Trump supports, all over many platforms and in real life, you're using fallacious arguments, casting your own feelings onto others to try to prove a false consensus (appeals to popularity are logical fallacies), and trying to hide behind carefully worded arguments to hide your true motive. If that's not sycophantic behavior in a vain attempt to protect Trump from the evil criticisms levied against him, I don't know what is.

He isn't even close to perfect. He is a Jew loving retard to a fault, somehow finds the most retarded people possible to appoint more than half the time, and isn't a quarter the draconian tyrant he needs to be to actually accomplish any of the goals people want.

On that, I agree. I have a lot more criticisms of him, though. I warned people, explicitly, here, elsewhere, and in real life, that he's corrupt and a danger, and that we must break free of the false dichotomy political bullshit we're being offered, and that all of his "gifts" he would offer would come at a terrible price, or be blown out of proportion to manipulate his fanbase, which would swallow it hook, line, and sinker. The one prediction I made that was false, was that I thought Trump's presidency would neuter the dissident right, the people who escaped the false dichotomy political plantation (Democrat vs Republican), and stop the proliferation of verboten red pills (jews and race realism). On the contrary, I'm very happy to be wrong about that, as it seems Trump's presidency, due precisely to his fellatio of jews, has exploded verboten discussion.

Should I put that disclaimer before every comment about him lest I receive your swift judgement of sycophancy?

It's sometimes necessary, as I do it myself in certain audiences to point to where I come from. It's not always necessary, though. However, I've seen too many comments from you subversively and slyly trying to defend Trump to ignore your obvious motives. This entire conversation is further proof of that observation.

I'm curious, what would Trump have to do for you to stop defending him, and undercut anyone criticizing Trump? I don't ask this in jest, I'm earnestly curious. What line would Trump have to cross, explicitly?

Anon...I have bad news. Jews have been an international clique and subversive lying usurious murderers for millenia. They're infiltrated everywhere. If Israel falls, they have tons of jewish communities to flee to, which would exacerbate problems until peoples violently kick out the jewish puppets.

I've read a lot of news and a lot of comment sections, since at least 2008. I've never heard anyone call anyone else a "Qatari" or "Qatari shill", ever, until about 2-3 months ago, when it exploded in use all over the internet. And, it's only ever used to malign people critical of Israel. It's not just transparent for who is doing this and why, it's as blindingly obvious as the sun. To think that these cretins think they're winning people over with this is hilarious, and that this is the best they have to offer. God's enemies truly are ridiculous.

ESV is okay, but it uses the Masoretic text for the Old Testament. The Orthodox Study Bible and Douay Rheims Bible both use the Greek Old Testament (Septuagint). The Douay Rheims is a bit harder to read, but from what I can tell has a more accurate translation. Not sure how the Orthodox Study Bible is with regard to readability.

Stone Choir is in the midst of a multi episode series arguing that the Old Testament was originally written in Greek. Very fascinating stuff if you're curious.

It's from kabbalah, a form of jewish "magic". It's infiltrated institutions like freemasonry, who openly proclaim kabbalah as inspired for their teachings.

People say things online because the anonymity provides them cover to say what they truly feel. That's why anonymity is precious when society becomes tyrannical and despotic toward rationality and truth. But, it also allows people to express their true feelings, regardless of context or circumstance.

Why was u/Joe_Shmo 's comment cringe? How is it virtue signaling? Why is to make people clap like seals? Do we not seek agreement and community with people who are like us, and espouse the truth to those that need to hear it? Does upvoting people you agree with count as "clapping like seals"? Why does nobody like him? What topic was he shoehorning into the conversation? I looked through his profile. He's not a single issue user, and his criticism of Trump and Palantir is legitimate.

You're the one that seems incredibly biased against that particular user, and it bleeds through in what you wrote. I'm not sure why anyone would disagree with his comment either, except if they were a Trump sycophant. If you're a Christian and view Trump with even a shred of critical thought, you should agree with him. Trump isn't perfect, and he's made tons of mistakes, and is in the midst of numerous mistakes. And I remember being in a debate with you previously about the release of the Epstein files (or lack thereof), and how it shines an incredibly negative light on Trump, and you actively defended him. You're not exactly unbiased here.

What a strange comment, as it's entirely ignorant of the most basic Biblical knowledge, history itself, and the utterly sycophantic behavior displayed all over the right wing normie sphere about Trump.

The first 3 commandments in the 10 commandments are explicitly about condemning this behavior. If this behavior wasn't common, why did God enumerate 3 rules to forbid it? People put false saviors up on pedestals and worship them, all the time. People worship at the feet of idols, both physical (golden calf, star of Remphan, Baal, Moloch, etc.) and ideological (egalitarianism, equality, LGBTQ, race blindness, feminism, abortion, etc.), that they put these things "before" God, all the time. "Before" doesn't mean hierarchically placing it above God in importance, but "before" as in front of, and since God is everywhere, worshipping these false idols is condemned entirely. And, taking the name of our Lord in vain is to profess to be Christian, while continuing to do unChristian things explicitly forbidden (like idol worship).

This aspect of human behavior has been common for thousands of years. It's still incredibly common today, including among right wing Christians who treat Trump as a holy savior who can do no wrong. Go look at the normie side of right wing politics, like on Patriots.win, Facebook, and the normie corner of Gab. They ALL worship Trump, and if anyone criticizes him in any way, even when he's blatantly and repugnantly wrong, they accuse you of being a shill. This isn't random or rare behavior either. It's incredibly common.

Personally, I've seen more people say this is the case than actually encounter these types of people.

Have you ventured into the right wing normie sphere, ever? Check out Patriots.win, or Facebook, or the normie sphere of Gab. These people are unashamed sycophants. A lot of it is driven by shills, but not all of it, and many right wing normies swallow that propaganda eagerly.

Might just be that you are approaching them the wrong way and setting them into the defensive tribalism mode, because I've never met a Trump person I couldn't reason into admitting fault quite easily. Sans a few old ass folks who are full into schizo "jesuit bukkake" levels.

I very rarely interact with them at all any more. I just read comments from other people and see how they talk and what they believe.

It means Jesus is his Lord, not Trump. Too many Trump supporters treat him like the second coming, and worship at his feet. I've had far too many conversations with Trump supporters proving this point, where they think he can do no wrong. Fortunately, this Iran/Israel debacle is opening up the eyes of a lot of the sycophants.