Yeah. I'm spinning out. I recognize that.
But am I wrong?
Iran is not my friend. Iran is not my enemy.
They're not suddenly two weeks away from The Bomb (fuck you, Tulsi, by the way). They're not an Existential Threat, and certainly not to America.
There was no reason to bomb Iran. We bombed Iran because...Israel did a "defensive first strike" against them, so now we're in it too.
Fuck off.
And Europe is about to get another 10 million muslim refugees because of it. Mercantile hand-rubbing intensifies.
Oy.
Vey.
*cries in Western/Anglo-Saxon/whatever...CIVILIZIZATION.*
This is the real issue
If only europe did something about it, instead of being cuckolded.
But they won't.
Again, weird fucking masochist fetish.
You wouldn't like what 'doing something about it' would look like.
Says who? This is an American board, adjacent to the Trump fan site. "DEPORT FUCKING ALL OF THEM, BAN THEM FROM COMING BACK and PROSECUTE THE POLITICIANS" is one of the most common sentiments on this site by a huge margin, if not the MOST common post.
That isn't what he meant by "doing something about it". Deporting them and prosecuting politicians would be just treating a symptom of the disease. Actually curing the disease would require making a lot of glass in the place that is causing them all to become refugees to begin with.
I know what he meant to imply, I was disagreeing with his edgy blackpill bullshit.
Lmao considering giz hates Muslims that's a retarded thing to say
Context is key.
Context is that he hates muslims and advocates for the west expelling them
Think harder. Eventually you'll get it.
No you're just a moron lashing out
Zionists think all non-jews are subservient livestock to them.
I mean...we haven't exactly disabused them of that notion.
Well...if we have, they haven't seemed to take the hint.
So sack up and do something about 'the jewish problem'.
But none of you fags have the balls, and you know it. So all you do is cry here. Sad sad little clown boys.
You have such a fucking weird submission fetish...
Oh...and don't think I don't notice that the most hardcore Zionists never capitalize "Jewish." I do. You don't. Curious.
I also don't capitalize black, white, or asian. Does that make me a weird black white asian jew? You retard
So anyway, you going to sack up and do something?
No? Cool, cool
I mean, some of those are just straight up wrong to not capitalize, and don't pretend no one sees what you and your ilk do continually. Transparent as fuck.
"Why do you hate the jews, man?!"
Okay little clown boy.
Good counterargument, psychopath.
Bear down, he's going to call you a jew soon. This guy's as predictable as Old Faithful
Okay little clown boy
You can have anything you want in this world unless Israel wants it.
More people need to know this.
https://truthblitzkrieg.com/2024/09/02/1379/
There is a reason to bomb Iran: denying access to develop a nuclear weapon. Specifically fear of causing a nuclear arms race in the ME, and a nuclear strike on the Strait of Hormoz, in addition to attacks on Israel and the US.
If you don't consider that a good enough reason, then fair enough. But, this was very clearly the US's strategic objective.
that same nuclear weapon that they've been two weeks away from for the past 20 years?
the bullshit reeks
Since 1979 (earliest report I've seen). 46 years.
Actually, they unearthed a scroll showing Persia was weeks away from the bomb back in 800.
The debate will end soon enough, you'll either see conclusive poisonings, or you won't.
Let me explain.
You have a 6 hour drive somewhere.
Your tire pops, you have to get a new one because the rim is also fucked, this adds a day of time (due to needing to get your car towed, new tire/wheel at the shop, etc).
The day after that (so 2 days later), you have a 6 hour drive.
You then ask how the jews could lie to you about your travel time, because it just doesn't make sense how you still have a 6 hour drive.
That's because they're inbred retards. Yall are ignoring that obama was giving them money to build nukes. They just suck at it
No. Iran was always the target, nukes are just the excuse to make it happen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Securing_the_Realm
Even longer.
Probably further still, but documented back to '91, off the top of my head.
See my recent post here.
Wolfowitz told General Clark in '91 about the 'seven countries' plan.
Iran was a target because of the likelihood of nukes, and does support irregular warfare against Israel.
Question: Do you believe in the 2nd Amendment? If so, why?
Question 2: Is Iran developing a nuclear weapon and, if so, how far off from it are they? Are they viable in, say, two weeks....? If they are, who could they attack in two weeks...America? Can Iran attack America with a nuclear weapon in two weeks?
If not, this is just more WMD nonsense.
For the record, although plenty here hate you, I don't think you're to the level of some of the other people people beating the war drums. We disagree, and I don't always respect your arguments, but I think we can get along. I think you're wrong, you think I'm wrong. I can live with that.
Back to my core question....what has changed recently, that has necessitated such a strong strike on a foreign entity, from the US? And, unless you have a really strong case, how is it not just more WMD-style propaganda for pushing regime change?
Make the case. Why do we have to strike Iran? Why do we have to do it now? Does Iran basically have the nuke? Why haven't they previously? Why haven't they completely the project and used it?
Israel, our greatest ally, is the only nuclear power in the region.
Again, go ahead, make the argument. I am open to it. I always am. But you certainly haven't made that case so far.
Q1: Hey, don't get me wrong, I support nuclear proliferation! Countries that insist on being independent, sovereign, countries that boarder larger states require nuclear weapons. Israel is a good example. Korea, Taiwan, Finland, Poland, Estonia, Switzerland, Portugal, Rhodesia, Panama... it would be reasonable for these countries to want nuclear weapons. The issue is geo-strategic. If my enemy has a weapon that can deter me, then why would I let him get it? If Poland, Estonia, or Finland were trying to get a nuke, Russia would have to invade to stop them. If it were Taiwan or South Korea, China would have to invade. When Cuba did, the US nearly started WW3 to make it stop. Whether you like it or not, the logic is sound. If I am big and can beat you up, and you reach for a gun, I have to stop you.
Now, because I hate Communists, and I support America, I sure do like Taiwan getting one, but I don't want Cuba getting one because I'm an evil biased bigot. How dare I, but I don't consider it hypocrisy to drop nukes on Hiroshima but not Chicago.
I wouldn't care if Iran got a nuke if it weren't obvious that they were constantly starting shit. I'm not saying they are the leader of international terrorism, but they are damn sure the leader of irregular warfare. They actually surpassed Cuba with that. I don't want us involved in Sand-Mordor anymore when we can be an oil exporter, and develop Alberta's oil for extra cushion, or Britain's North Sea oil reserves. Fuck all of them. But I'm not gonna cry that Iran is playing the maximalist version of FAFO. FFS, we can build more nuclear power plants, we're leading the way to fusion power! Can we please fuck off from this shithole that no one needs, and is about to fucking collapse?
Q2: I don't know. I haven't seen any evidence to confirm to me that they are two weeks away, or whatever. Israel just saying it doesn't make it true, and they've lied before. I don't believe Iran either. I don't know that Tulsi was wrong. She hasn't made any recent statements, and I don't know if the intel genuinely changed. It's simply out of my hands. I can't really stop what's going on here. I'm not saying that this is my argument. I'm saying it's the American government's argument. And you're right, they've haven't convinced anyone with evidence here. I'm not saying it's a convincing argument, just that this is their argument, well founded or not.
France is a far better ally. I think I made a list where they were 30th at best. I think they beat out Portugal, but not Italy.
Israel is a bit different. No other Arab country has faced the level of aggression that Israel did for so long. That's why it stole our nuclear secrets (and France's nuclear secrets) (((much ally. very friend))). The Arab world has come to terms with Israel's nuclear capability and seems clear that they are not going to use nukes... mostly because Arab armies keep fucking losing in conventional wars anyway. As such, no arms race materialized. Egypt and Saudi Arabia are fully aware that Israel has nukes, and it doesn't bother them because they know they have a legitimate peace with Israel. Iran is much more of a wild card, and doesn't get along with the other Muslim countries either. The other Muslim countries seem to think that Iran really might just use it, not just on Israel, but possibly on them.
In fairness, Iraq did have WMD's. Specifically chemicological weapons. We sold it to them. Rumsfeld specifically
It’s almost like it was a bad idea to carve out an explicitly Jewish country in the middle of hundreds of millions of culturally incompatible Muslims. You yourself know that they are barbaric violent retards. Doesn’t it make perfect sense that Israel is under constant attack in that region of the world? How else would this play out?
If Israel were not there to be a lightning rod for the inbred aggression of half a billion Muslims, then they would simply be making endless war against each other. And that would be great as far as America is concerned. We don’t need to be involved. Instead, we have a tiny “ally” drawing constant fire from the area, and we are compelled - one way or another - to defend them and/or make war on their behalf.
Israel truly is the tiny girlfriend with a big mouth talking nonstop shit at the bar until her big boyfriend America is forced to step up and fight. Except in this case, the bar is a fight club for savage retards who harbor pathological hatred towards tiny mouthy girls.
The greatest running disconnect is this insane idea that regime change will somehow make Israel safe. It isn’t a handful of antisemitic leaders ruthlessly forcing their people into unwanted conflicts with the Jews. The entire population of the region, hundreds of millions of Muslims, are hostile towards all non-Muslims including Jews. The “evil regimes” are a direct representation of the middle eastern peoples, and the latter are not magically solved when you eliminate the former.
So what’s the real lasting solution? You’re never going to “defeat” everyone who lives in the Middle East. You can’t “beat” 1.5 billion Muslims where they live. Every evil regime will be quickly replaced by another. The only real lasting solution is to move the Jews the fuck out of that area. Then you create a unified western firewall against Islam.
Right now, we have an isolated forward base triggering constant war but no firewall. We’re building mosques and importing millions of invaders while spending trillions on useless foreign wars to defend one selfish, sociopathic “colony”. It’s a retarded strategy.
Yeah, if that girlfriend is Rhonda Rousey. World-class level of dangerous, but also a bit cocky.
It won't. Best case scenario is that it creates a Civil War and Israels new biggest threat is Turkey.
I admit, this is the funniest way you've come up with "a final solution to the jewish question". Perchance we should send them to Mozambique? Zey vill need to step in to ze shoverz first...
No, the only real solution is to leave the whole area alone because it's not our problem and we can import oil from the UK and Canada. Frankly, the Israelis will be fine defending themselves. If they want to be stupid and bite off more than they can chew, they can suffer the consequences for it.
As the Sikhs showed, you just have to keep hitting the Muslims on the nose every time they invade you. They won't stop, so you just stay armed, guard your borders, and get used to it.
That's because it's not a colony, and we should stop treating it as such.
Don't bring logic into this. It's unfair to them.
Watching Trump cuck sucks.
Dropping more bombs in the world's litter box sucks.
But watching one of the forum's most respected voices of reason go apoplectic over Israel is the world's smallest consolation prize.
Not the first time I've seen it happen. Won't be the last. I'd prefer almost any other outcome. But it is what it is.
What do you mean?
You. You're one of the old-timers, one who rarely gets accused of being ConPro (from what I've seen), not one to jump on the holocoaster posting (again, from what I've seen). And here you are full-on anti-Israel posting.
I'd rather Trump have a spine. But watching a well-respected middle-grounder tip over into "these fucks are evil" is a small vindication.
Ah, gotcha. Was just clarifying.
Yup, for sure. One of the oldest. HalfKiA on Reddit, way back in the day. Not even sure how many are still around that predate me. Not sure if that's a badge of honor or shame, but here I am.
These absolutel fucking retards will and have, occasionally. Ghostfox has accused me of "forum-sliding" and ConPro nonsense before. hellswhatever has too, I think. Ghost has wished death upon me at the hands of Israel. Giz...he and I get along, despite the constant bickering. He's been more well behaved, and I've reciprocated.
But, point taken. I'm not extreme, and am in "good standing" here, for whatever that's worth.
But, yeah, to quote Kanye, I'm going death con 3 on these motherfuckers now.
Ghost is a fucking psychopath, and has demonstrated that repeatedly. He has less than no regard for (non-Jewish) human life.
I've mildly questioned, once or twice. To my eternal shame: the Holocaust is the one event that history got exactly correct in all ways. I deeply apologize for my transgressions, and am shipping myself to Auschwitz to Learn and Grow, post haste.
I've condemned Israel plenty, for the record. Although Israel is "The Jewish State of Israel™," you can absolutely criticize one without the other. I'm semi-Jew critical. #NotAllJews. But Israel...Israel fucking sucks.
Yeah. For the record, and to be completely clear: FUCK ISRAEL.
We're fucking done, professionally.
Same, same.
These fucks have always been evil. And I've said as much. I've just been more vocal tonight, because their fucking evil is grating on me more than it usually does.
Anyway...
Signed,
A middle-grounder, I guess.
P.S. I meant it. Fuck Israel.
P.P.S. And not for some gay leftist "Queers for Palestine" reason, but because you're a bunch of evil fucks. And are helping destroy the soul of my nation.
correction, I have no regard for retards, traitors, commies, and stormfags.
You're still just seething about that, because you're a stupid cunt who can't imagine that bombing Iran was entirely correct. Continue seething though.
And everyone who doesn’t suck Israel’s dick just so happens to fall into one of those categories. Everyone is wrong except the people who align with Israel.
The best part is watching your list of “bad people” grow as Israel pisses away what little support they have left. At this point, you’re better off just listing who does pass your test: Israelis, evangelicals, neocons, and boomers.
When someone tells you what they think and who they are, listen. If you had a deluded faggot at the end of your block screeching about burning your house down for decades and they start filling jerry cans, it would be reasonable to assume a threat. You're ACTUALLY delusional if you think an explicitly islamic religious government that's repeatedly called for violence against us isn't our enemy. The same group that advocates suicidal war and holds thousand year grudges.
If the Mexican government started developing nukes we should hit them too, and they're a lot less insane than Iran. You've been hanging out in certain political space so long that you’ve absorbed enough propaganda you’ve forgotten basic reality. Iran would gladly see the US on fire, with or without Israel.
And Trump having bombs dropped doesn't mean we're doing another useless twenty year police action. He had ISIS bombed back to the stone age too. You're being a histrionic woman screeeching ORANGE MAN EEEVIL over the bombing of explicitly hostile military targets.
He literally wrote “Iran is not my friend” right next to that, but you still took it out of context. You’re as dishonest as mainstream media. But that shit doesn’t work here. It’s not a “gotcha”. And it’s certainly not a tactic that you can hang several paragraphs worth of argument on.
He also wrote "Iran is not my enemy", which is observably false if he's from any western nation, especially the U.S.
Which I explained, clearly. Read my whole post and reply accordingly or don't waste electricity and my time with your screee-ing.
Last on the infamous list of gen Clark. 'I just got out of a meeting with the pentagon and we are invading 7 countries in 5 years. I have no idea why.' Took alot longer is all. If top military brass didnt know why we invaded all the jews enemies then who did know.
It's not a Zion problem. It's genetics.
Iran is definitely our enemy lmao. It's just not actively attacking us. Yall are going too far in the other direction because Israel is involved. Multiple things can be true at once. Israel is a blood sucking leech, Iran is an enemy, and Iran is not a current threat that we needed to attack
I think the anger is coming from the realization that one of our greatest domestic enemies - a rogue unregistered foreign PAC that openly brags about controlling our elections - is able to direct foreign policy so quickly and easily against their enemies despite strong opposition from a majority of Americans. Iran is our enemy in much the same way that Russia and China are our enemies. Israel is already “inside our base killing our dudes”; they represent a far greater and more immediate compromise of our sovereignty than the distant hostile foreign actors.
This isnt some new information though.
lol.
lmao even.
Argument where?
Argument when?
Oh, right.
He's a Jew.
Many such cases.
I'm still not a jew, but you're all still retarded.
Amazing how the cope is still "someone calls us retards who always seethe about the jews? They must be a jew"
Real low iq move. But it's hard for you guys, I understand.
You sound vaccinated
The number of demographics that support Israel is so vanishingly small that it is now pretty easy to label you guys. On the flip side, you’re throwing a dart and hitting one of communist, fascist, white supremacist, Muslim, leftist, MAGA, gen Z, gen alpha, black, etc. You have no idea who is opposing you because it could be anyone from like 90% of the globe.
The only proper response.