Oh fuck off, Ben Shapiro
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Ben Shapiro and the DW are 100% in the right in this one, and Crowder is a slimy douchebag who is 100% in the wrong.
Crowder solicited a job offer from the DW
10/5/22: The DW gave him an offer of $50 million for 4 years, meant to be a starting point for negotiations (the document even says this, that it's a starting point and a framework, not a "take it or leave it" deal)
11/2/22: Crowder gets INSULTED by the offer, demands $30M per year, and demands the DW re-write the term sheet entirely instead of making edits to the one already provided.
11/14/22: DW rejects Crowder's demands.
12/12/22: Steven registers http://StopBigCon.com, planning a future hit piece on the DW to cast himself as a rebel against the establishment, and a victim.
1/7/23: Steven texts Jeremy in friendly fashion to ask if they can talk.
1/9/23: Steven calls Jeremy and secretly tapes him.
Then Crowder releases his little hit piece, lambasting the "contract" without mentioning that it was not a final offer but just a starting point. He cherry picked out certain contract provisions designed to share or mitigate risk, some of which were provisions I would personally disagree with as a little excessive, and which might have been inserted or exaggerated purely to be "traded away". I don't do business that way, but it's a standard business practice. Nothing wrong whatsoever with the DW doing it.
Crowder is a fucking baby. An idiot child. He doesn't seem to understand how the concept of negotiation works. His ego couldn't handle getting offered what he thought he deserved as a 1st offer, to the point where he got emotional and unprofessional about it.
Crowder's attacks on the DW amount to r-antiwork bullshit.
And yes, Crowder did the supremely scumbag move of knifing his fellow conservatives and friends in the back and trying to damage their reputation, all so he could generate hype, drama, and views for his new project launch.
I stopped reading at Crowder solicited a job offer. He did not
So what if he did? Letting a company that would be interested in hiring him know he will be availble to be hired and willing to consider being hired isn't anything nefarious.
I'm not saying it would be a problem. The guy is just factually incorrect from the jump so I'm not bothering with more
Yes, he did, through his agent. Agents act on behalf of their principal. The DW offer was not an unsolicited offer.
If Crowder was stupid enough to say "I didn't solicit the offer" - because his agent did - he's even more of an idiot child than I thought.
Jeremy Boering literally said in his response video he contacted Crowder's agent first.
False. I watched the video. Timestamp it. link me a "copy url at current time" to the park of Boering's video where he says he contacted Crowder's agent 1st.
Ben Shapiro said very clearly that Crowder's agent reached out to DW to solicit an offer. This is also something he and others at the DW have written specifically in tweets.
Not sure why you think it matters, but why would DW be sending Crowder an unsolicited offer when Crowder had not announced he was leaving his current job yet? How would they even know he was looking for work?
Has Crowder even claimed the offer was unsolicited? Yes or no? If you can't point to proof he has, then back off and stop trying to pick stupid fights because your brain doesn't function correctly and you jumped to stupid assumptions, then you want to attack me as wrong based on your stupid assumptions.
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Even if he is wrong, this isn't the same as disinformation.
Oh yeah it's AnTiWoRk to not want to sign away your voice to some corpo. Maybe DW should have known Crowder wouldn't want his money to be tied to YT who is known to fuck with him over bullshit like citing the CDC.
yes, it is actually "AnTiWoRk" to cry that a $50 million offer is a ‘Slave Contract’.
People like you, who are willing to sell out your morals and principles for enough money, is everything fucking wrong with this society.
People like me? You know nothing about me, dumbfuck. Take your meds, autist. I mean, you sat down and decided that your username would be "futacumdiet" futa being the japanese slang term for hemaphrodites. You're gross, degenerate.
What a retarded take.
$50 million for what? $50 million is a lot of money to offer for a nobody. $50 million for someone that's worth $100 million on their own is an insult.
And I'm not saying that either one is the case: I'm saying that you aren't giving enough details to make "$50 million" mean anything, which makes your point fucking retarded.
Yeah, I'd at least consider DW's deal- would try to negotiate some of the terms but honestly that shitty deal would still be pretty good for me. But I'm not one of the biggest stars in the industry.
$50 million is a lot of money objectively and if you think Crowder is worth more, then the burden of proof is on him to establish that, which he did not do.
thanks for calling me a retard just because you disagree with me, though, asshole. reminds me of why I never stay around this sub for long. too many fucking autists in here.
Slavery isn't about getting money, it's about being unfree and being owned by others.
Some slaves actually did earn wages.
The whole Jewish model of slavery states that slaves are to be paid. (This isn't a statement on jews)
If Crowder did not like the idea of selling the fruits of his labor for money, he should not have solicited an offer for exactly that.
His alternative is to work even harder on an independent network.
The easy way out is to take someone else's money, retard.
Watch Nick Rekieta's coverage of this and see if you still think this way. You are also missing Crowder's whole point, it isn't about the money, its about acknowledging DW has to toe the big tech line to make money and making money is more important to them than telling the uncensored truth.
I'm a better lawyer than he is, and I don't want to spend 7 hours watching one of his livestreams while he rambles on. I just checked his YT and he didn't post a video on this. I don't see what value Nick Rekieta's would possibly add to mine. I've probably negotiated a lot more contracts than he has.
So you mean exactly the same thing Crowder does every day on his Youtube channel? That he is doing right now? Crowder is a massive hypocrite attacking the DW for putting in the contract "if you go full Kanye and get mass banned everywhere so we can't monetize your content, we can cut your pay" when Crowder censors himself every day and has a whole segment that says "if you want to see my takes too hot for Youtube, go to my web site". This is exactly the same thing DW hosts say and do to direct traffic to the DW web site.
Weren't you the dumbass arguing with me on reddit that cops can't order passengers out of vehicles?? Not sure if I can take you seriously when you were wrong about something I learned before even going to law school.
If Tom Brady wants to come play for your team and you offer him a contract that even a fucking rookie would balk at, why the fuck should he waste his time and money "negotiating"?
If you went to go buy a car that you know is worth around $30K, and the salesman immediately begins trying to sell it to you for $75K with a 12% APR finance option, are you going to waste your time dealing with this slimeball or are you going to walk?
That a """""friend""""" would insult you so openly and brazenly with a garbage offer means he isn't actually a friend, he's a fucking asshole.
Daily Wire couldn't even fucking bother to write him a custom contract. If they did, half of that shit in that contract wouldn't have still been in there, because they would KNOW he's already demonetized on Youtube. But they left that garbage in there, because they. didn't. fucking. care.
A friend would care enough to at least start around what you're actually worth, and at least bother to put in more than six seconds of effort to build something functional to work from. Boering couldn't be bothered to do that, he was too busy looking at the digits in his bank account.
Why is it that you hand friction enthusiasts always defend the DW's bullshit awful opening offer as 'a negotiation point', but then you turn around and scream that Crowder is a thieving greedy primadonna grifter with his counter-offer? Funny how your defense of negotiations only goes one way.
Also, it's funny how Crowder's entire fucking point is that this wasn't even about money. It was about Daily Wire enslaving up-and-comers to trash contracts, like a sleazy record company in the 90s, and choking them for shekels.
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Has any proof at all been provided for this?
Unlike most people here, I can actually see both sides. Crowder wants the company to uphold principles. But the Daily Wire is taking a huge risk by spending so much money, and they want some assurances. You can't risk the future of a company on nothing. Both are correct. My heart is with Crowder and my head is with the Daily Wire.
Like I always tell you about politicians, all companies are also equally evil. They have to be, or they'd go out of business. Morally, it is indefensible to punish Crowder if he gets demonetized by SV oligarchs, but in business terms, it is probably inevitable.
I remember you bragging that workers in America have '3 sick days a year' (or something). I told you that in Europe, there is no such thing as a sick day, and if you're sick, you're sick. In this case, he gets his pay deducted if he gets sick at all. So I am on his side on that one, just like I support the railroad workers striking for sick days.
I see both sides actually. I just think that DW's side is invalidated because it accomplishes nothing in the long run. It's how England kept appeasing Hitler and slowly watched Europe be swallowed.
The appeasement analogy does not work, because the DW is not strong enough to take on Youtube, while England and France were strong enough to take on Germany in 1936 and 1938.
In fact, it makes sense to husband your strength and not rock the boat as the DW while you get stronger, if I want to play devil's advocate.
DW is solid enough already to have an alternative viewing platform because they do. Punishing for being demontized on YouTube shouldn't be uttered much less written in a contract offer
Both Shapiro and Boering said so. I don't see why they would if it wasn't true. The point they made is that their number was too far apart from what Crowder wanted, so they politely let him know they couldn't do it and didn't proceed further. In other words, it makes sense and fits the facts. Crowder hasn't denied it afaik.
I can see both sides, I just don't like Crowder's "side" or what he did.
That's bullshit. The DW contract doesn't violate any principles. Crowder's primary business is his Youtube channel. That was true last year and it's true now. Crowder routinely censors himself on Youtube and openly says so. So he's a giant hypocrite to attack DW for expecting him to continue to do what he is already doing on that particular platform.
Do you think DW ought to pay Crowder in full if he takes the deal and then says "haha bitches I'm going full Kanye now and you can't do shit about it!!!" That's dumb.
DW just wanted to apportion the risk so that Crowder bore part of the risk of his own actions, so that he would have every incentive to maintain effectively the status quo instead of doing something crazy which could nuke their investment in him.
Profit seeking is not evil. You sound like a communist. Capitalism and its system of checks and balances enable people to behave SELFISHLY in a manner that accrues to the common GOOD. This harnessing of human selfishness and making it strive towards the betterment of humanity is not evil, it is the very definition of goodness. Altruism is not inherently "good". If everyone was irrationally altruist, humanity would stagnate and be stuck in poverty forever since no one would strive and sacrifice out of ambition.
Sure, capitalism is not perfect and people find wants to exploit it, which is why Ancap is stupid and unworkable, but on the whole, capitalism and rational self-interest are the only reason why you and I can sit in a nice home and type to each other across the world on a computer. All advanced human development traces to it.
"You have to pay me full boat even if I purposely tank the value of my brand" is a good way to destroy a company by enabling perverse incentives. The purpose of contracts is to provide guidelines so everyone behaves according to expectations and there are no surprises.
No, I didn't "brag" about that. California has 3 days. The US as a whole has no requirement. Despite this, the average workers get is 8 days, because it turns out that companies will give people benefits even if not mandated by the government.
He isn't a salaried employee. He is a business owner who would be basically licensing his business to another company for 4 years. His pay did not get deducted if he got sick, it got reduced IF HE DIDN'T PRODUCE THE CONTENT HE WAS BEING PAID FOR, which is perfectly fair. The contract only calls for 4 shows per week, with 4 weeks off per year. That's a lot less than most Americans work. Many hosts keep a bank of some pre-recorded shows that they have available to use to cover things like sickness and vacation, not because of a contract, but because the algo punishes you if you don't release on a regular schedule.
They are both actively involved in this controversy, and defending themselves, so not exactly the most reliable narrators here.
You always think that you are very objective. But it's clear that you are anti-Crowder, even insulting him personally. So not very objective.
I like them both. I'm actually a DW+ subscriber.
And yet he got demonetized, something that the contract prop says would get his salary reduced.
It is not in his control. You are definitely wrong for suggesting that it is 'due to Crowder's actions' if he does get banned or demonetized. Surely, as the most banned person here, you would know that.
No, but let me ask you the counterpoint. If Crowder just posts innocuous content, and Youtube decides to ban him because of a lisping millionaire-kid communist Mexican complains about it - should he be punished for it?
That can be better expressed than it was here, by limiting it to such cases where he actually crosses the line. As a lawyer, you know that.
You think a lot of things sound like communism. But surely, an FSB contractor needs to keep up appearances.
No, this is absurd. You are paraphrasing Adam Smith, but what he said is that the butcher's selfishness is guided by an invisible hand to benefit the common good, not that the selfishness is automatically a moral good. And it's not a good here either, though I am very happy the DW exists.
It's not evil to try to protect your country's national security against say dangerous neighbors either, but you definitely would not claim that anything using that as a pretext is the definition of goodness.
Some will. But even 8 days is rather paltry. As bad as our governments are, and they are terrible, but I'll give them credit for stuff like this.
You are conflating the number of shows a week with the number of days worked. I can't speak about the matter, but according to that "Australian Mormon sword guy" you hate so much, it takes him a full workweek to produce two videos. Now, he no doubt has less staffing, but it's not as easy as you make it out to be.
So you redline that part. Big deal.
A LOT of big youtubers don't monetize or let themselves stay demonetized because they monetize their Youtube viewership in other ways, and couldn't care less about Youtube's shitty ads. When I've seen breakdowns of revenue, at most Youtube ads only make up like 15% of the monetization a big channel gets. Most of the real money comes from ad reads, merch, and farming subs to things like patreon or their own web site.
I see a lot of youtubers say shit like "omg youtube is demonetizing me!!! show them they can't stop us by subscribing to my patreon!!!" Youtube ads aren't even that lucrative, and people like me have never seen one because I've been adblocking since forever.
It 100% is within his control, outside of very unusual circumstances, as he full well knows since it is his primary platform. Big channels like him get special treatment and don't get banned easily, moreso because he does politics and if he got banned, the whole Right would get up in arms. This actually happened once years ago and Ben Shapiro personally intervened with Youtube to help Crowder.
I get banned on Reddit. Reddit is a bunch of seething libtard trannies. Youtube doesn't ban as easily as Reddit does.
So DW would give him a 90 day grace period and fight on his behalf before anything changed. If that didn't work out, there are legal principles such as "mutual mistake of fact" where the contract would fail and the parties could re-negotiate. The contract does not specifically contemplate "what if your ban is total bullshit and outside of your control". This is once again something that could be negotiated.
Lawyers are not PR agents or diplomats. The lawyer's job is to protect the client.
No, I just made it up. It's just my own opinion.
Capitalism is what transforms it into a public good, by using it to fuel a fundamentally fair system driven by impartial market forces where everyone is forced into good behavior out of self interest. I didn't say "selfishness is goodness" I said "harnessing selfishness to produce good is goodness". That is what capitalism does.
Ukraine was minding its own business and no threat to Russia. Russia bullied it and invaded because Putin wanted the legacy of a conqueror and to expand Russian power through imperial conquest. You yourself, early in the war when you thought victory was possible, gleefully added up Ukraine's population size and natural resources into Russia's column like it was a video game of map painting conquest, where Russia would somehow use Ukraine's population and resources to launch its next war of aggression until it took over the whole world and Putin finally stopped the gay pride parades. lol
No no no. Shadversity makes hours-long videos he spends a ton of time researching and getting assets and such for. Crowder's content is nothing like that, it's exactly like Ben Shapiro's daily show. He just sits at a desk alone and talks to the camera.
Ben Shapiro has already explained what his daily work schedule is like. His daily show only takes a couple hours to do. This makes sense, since all he is doing is riffing on the day's headlines. He spends the vast majority of his day on social media, with family, and working on side projects.
The demands placed on Crowder were actually really low, and MUCH lower than what Ben does himself. Ben does his show 5 days a week, does 2 shows (one for youtube, one for DW's site) though it's really just 1 show split. He also does college speaking events and debates, does side projects like his book club, writes actual books, and runs DW itself.
All Crowder was being asked to do was basically 5-10 hours a week on making daily shows, and then 1 small project per quarter and 1 bigger project per year. It's basically a part time work schedule. Maybe 20 hours a week. It would free him up for a ton of stuff on the side or let him just take it easy and relax.
IDK how people in this sub are sitting there acting like Crowder was being slave-driven. When I worked at law firms they worked me to the bone, 60+ hour weeks were normal.
Remember when Shapiro claimed that Trumps security threw his coworker to the ground