This shit is scary. People don't know what's going to hit them.
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Lots of people are going to be out of a job in the not-so distant future.
If there's any hope, it's that these companies will also have no one to sell their products to since AI doesn't need/care for what they're producing, so we'll all be stuck at an impasse.
I think AI/Robotics will eventually be the new slaves, but not for us. The world's elite won't need 95% of the population, so they'll militarize AI and use it against us.
The future is going to be scary.
No, they aren't. I work with copious robotics and they're dumber than shit. Purely digital products are a lot easier for a machine.
I'm not talking about quality. I'm talking about work stoppages because robots aren't reliable without humans running and maintaining them. Training positional motors alone is a full time job.
Robots are not as advanced as you think they are, full stop.
And the people with the capacity to maintain these robots will not exist in the very near future (retirements, vaxxine holocaust, fired for diversity).
What we need to worry about is when the machines can maintain themselves.
Oh the knowledge gap in tech is very real, that's for certain. Thanks to the traitor politicians and encouraging outsourcing, there has been a dearth of training in many industries for decades. Why bother training a real American and pay him well, when you can stick a script in front of some monkey from Pakistan and get the job done 75% as well for 10% of the cost?
Time to pay the piper on that one.
Won't happen, at least not any time soon.
That adage means absolutely nothing with regards to the feasibility or workability of an idea.
People pay $75 because that's how much money they have left after being captured by debt based systems, and because $500 is harder for them to get to because saving money is explicitly disincentivized.
Boomers, who adopted the Keynsian system that did this to them, have been complaining almost their entire lives that that "they just don't build them like they used to", and that's true because if you want the equivalent of a $300 vacuum cleaner in 1975, you'd be paying $2,000 for it now.
Didn't Keynesianism become the standard well before the boomers?
It was basically invented by The Greatest Generation's Fabian Socialist class. Same people who thought Fascism was a really interesting idea.
Okay I'm interested, tell me more.
You can buy a German-made Sebo Dart for $600.
Sure, fine, my point remains.
I know a team that can literally solve this problem. They are currently working on other things, but they exist as a team working in the robotics field.
There is an intermediary step which can turn robotics applications into a purely software product. Once you can do that, you can close the loop and have AI write then test robotics applications. After that it is just a matter of clever neural networks and iteration.
You are going to have to break down robotics operations into smaller, more specific parts for the AI to do; but this has been a concept in software engineering since day 1. The above post just did that with micro-services for his app.
This technology will give a workshop worth 1/2 a million dollars access to the same economies of scale as a million dollar production line. The workshop will be able to apply those manufacturing force multipliers to a hundred products, not one single product rolling off the million dollar production line.
If it plays out the way I imagine, it will be a manufacturing revolution which will shift productivity and the gains of that value down the food chain from billionaires to millionaires. Twelve motivated twenty year olds could design and launch a product that has hardware literally better than the flagship iPhone. They could manufacture hundreds of units for the same unit prices that apple is manufacturing tens of thousands. We could see a market place with a thousand models of flagship phones.
Okay, and what is it?
Simulation. Specifically a high resolution simulation in a physics engine.
Okay. That doesn't address my point in any way. Positional motors for example, still have to be taught and calibrated in meat space, because even fractions of a millimeter can be disastrous in a factory setting.
I'm not talking product quality here either, I'm talking buildings burning down and production lines halted.
Having a pretty VR interface for some remote worker somewhere does nothing to change that.
I genuinely promise you that high resolution physics engines exist right now to simulate robots. You feed them movement code and they simulate the operations of the robot in extraordinary detail. This is used to test code without running a real robot manufacturing process.
Using software like this would give high quality feedback to train a Deep Learning Neural Network.
If someone isn't doing it today, they will be by the end of the year.
They weren't when industrialisation came around. Artisans are practically wiped out bar a niche services. The past 100 years saw to that. Most tradesmen are a hollow of what they once represented.
My point is that they're not safe because industrialisation has already come for them. AI tech is just the latest step in industrialisation that has now come for cushy white collar jobs.
The underlying point was that virtually nobody gave a shit over the past 100 years outside small little blips that saved nothing. We were not only okay with it, we were eager to slash these jobs, but now it's an issue because it's effecting white collar workers that are overwhelmingly liberal.
Sorry, I'm not buying the outrage that this is only an issue now. It's been an issue for longer than anyone discussing it has been alive and virtually none of them gave a shit about it until it came for them.
Frankly, this shouldn't be "the line". The line should have either been drawn loooong ago back in the mid 1800s or not at all. And we're a long way away from the 1800s.
Tradesmen adapted. Maybe it's time white collar "workers" showed their skill and adapt too. Some already are, but most are bitching because their little skill barrier got taken down a few pegs.
I'm sorry, but the attitude of "machines will replace us" is contrary to all economics.
Technology is a deflationary pressure on the economy and a capital investment. It does not eradicate people from having jobs, it streamlines work and makes it more efficient so that while fewer people are needed for a particular niche, it does not mean that the entire industry dies, or that it isn't possible for those people to have gainful employment, nor does it mean that the economy can exist without people.
Years of experience is still plenty valuable, and will be able to take advantage of this capital investment. They aren't just going to burst into flames.
On one hand I agree with every point.
On the other hand, entire industries will go the way of the dodo, just like the watchmaker and buggy-whip manufacturer.
People who are skilled with tools or (gasp) design will have transferable skills can easily retrain, but not all of them.
For example the advent of synchronous, variable torque, variable speed eclectic motors has turned electric motor manufacture from something involving a hundred dollars of bent bits of iron and copper to sixty dollars of electronics and forty dollars of iron and copper. Before it was all mechanical processes and a hundred year old designs. Now it is an electronic manufacturer who also does a little bit of coil winding.
You are literally watching the electrical motor industry vanish.
You're conflating an auxiliary industry with the primary industry.
Buggy whips died, transportation transformed.
Unless someone or something invents a mechanism by which electricity may be transformed into kinetic energy without a physical device which moves, this won't happen.
You are misunderstanding me.
Electric Motor Manufacturing, for more than a hundred years, has been primarily concerned with bending iron and copper into the correct shapes, then piecing them together into a functional motor. A good example of this would be the Universal Motor, which is a very old design.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_motor
There are no electronic parts in one of these.
Another example would be the brushed motor.
https://www.linquip.com/blog/brushed-dc-motor/
Again, no electronic parts required.
These are being replaced by smaller, more efficent brushless motors which have electronic controllers that are both very sophisticated and cost more than the (now smaller) physical motor.
The Electric Motor industry is being transformed into a small, auxiliary industry which services the electronics manufacturer.
Brushless motors with sophisticated electronic speed control are fundamentally different to the motors of old, and they offer vast advantages. More to the point, they are less expensive when considering Total Cost of Ownership.
All predicated on forever chip fabs.
Your comparison to watch making is terrible, but your analogy was better served by "buggy-whip", even though it's also wrong.
Watchmaking is a significant industry to this very day, at both luxury and common ends. There are probably more watches today than in human history. As for buggy-whips, you're looking at it purely from a abstract category. The business that makes buggy-whips, stops making buggy-whips if it's not lucrative, and makes... whips. Or, it re-tools to exploit it's component parts: it becomes a leather strap factory, or it becomes a stick factory, or it re-tools into some other part of the equestrian industry.
And you think that not one person who worked in building electric motors would get a job in maintaining electric motors? You don't think that the skillsets in electrical motor design wouldn't still be useful? You don't think the knowledge of electronics could still allow them to have gainful employment? Hell: you don't think the basis of managing a department couldn't be transferred to another industry not specializing in electric motors?
The point is that the labor doesn't just fucking die. That is a socialist perspective of reality: in order to keep "jobs" at a maximum, innovation (as a deflationary pressure) must be kept at a minimum. All that does is guarantee that the whole industry that adopts this becomes totally non-competitive and fucking dies. Like steel in Cleveland, rubber in Akron, or Coal in Wales: the rejection of deflationary innovation is what causes an irreparable collapse; the pressure itself is not a threat. It is not that there is "no need for steel, rubber, or coal". It's because those places became protectionist hives that refused to innovate, and when they were finally forced to compete on a freer market, they still weren't de-regulated enough to adapt, and just fucking out-and-out died.
Socialism and Protectionism did more permanent damage to local industry in America than the firebombing of 85% of the country did to Japan's industries.
To further illustrate this point: I work in an iron-based machine shop. The lathes and fabricators are entirely controlled by a computer, and do all of the cutting of the metal entirely on the basis of their listed job. According to official stats, that job has been automated.
But it still takes an operator to actually punch in the instructions for the job. It takes an operator to replace drill bits as they wear out. It takes an operator to actually load and unload the metal. And it takes an operator to do fine detailing of the metal once it has come out (removing burrs, polishing, checking for defects, etc).
And at least on the gearbox line, they have to come to me and I have to assemble them by hand. Since there is no machine that can fit seals and ball bearing rings. There is no machine that can fit gears and axles. There is no machine that can slot and wrench the bolts. And we air test the gearboxes for leaks, which requires a human touch. And if we got something that could automate the air test? Cool, now I am spending about 30 seconds to find the defect instead of running through a check list for 5 minutes, which lets me do more work.
The only jobs getting automated are ones that dont matter in the grand scheme of things. Which is why you have so many white-collar workers suddenly freaking out about AI.
Correct. Deflation doesn't destroy economies, it purges them of rot.
Like a cleansing fire in an overgrown forest.
Be the pinecone.
Gizortnik,
Right here you conflate skills with industry. Then you go on to make astounding proclamations that totally miss the point.
You can buy a buggy whip today. I am sure about seven people in the USA sell them. As for the industry, it has gone the way of the dodo.
As for Watchmakers, the craft, it is today basically recreational. A person that design, machine the parts then assemble them into a working watch is more or less a unicorn. There are a few factories that make watch movements, but they don't do a real lot of design work, as they use mostly tried-and-true standard designs. Unless a company (like Omega) is very high end, they use standard watch movements which they buy by the thousands to assemble into watches.
There was a revolutionary watch movement design in the 1980s. The Swatch movement made use of self lubricating polymer parts. They were developed in response to the "quartz crisis"; which was the availability of inexpensive, reliable quartz crystal movements. The swatch movements required no bi-annual disassembly and maintenance, nor did they need batteries. They were "accurate enough" for daily use, and they were priced to compete with digital watches.
In general the efforts failed. While Swatch made enormous strides as a fashion brand, mechanical watches are more or less an anachronism, and they have gone the way of the pocket watch. Yes they maintain cachet as a luxury item, but they are worn as a status symbol to show that the owner can afford to waste money to own them and keep them in good working order. As an industry watch manufacturing still exists, but the craft of the watchmaker has vanished, replaced by standardized electronic components. The watch movements have been, in general, subsumed by the electronics manufacturing industry.
As for transferable skills between the electric motor industry, which is also being subsumed by the electronics manufacturing industry ... well there are not many skills in common. If you want a blow by blow breakdown as to why, I'd be happy to explain.
The point is that this is a revolutionary change. A mechanical engineer who has a second specialty in mass production and building production lines isn't going to find much work in an electronics factory unless they can retrain to program, understand and service robotic pick-and-place machines.
Just as the vacuum tube and all of the specialist glass manufacture basically vanished at the advent of the transistor, so too is happening to the brushed electric motor.
The modern synchronous brushless motor has more in common with a precision servo drive than it does to the venerable universal motor; and more to the point it is cheaper in the long run.
Yes, people will retrain. Good. Yes skilled professionals will have transferable skills. Great!
A revolutionary change will have repercussions far and wide. It is what the Boston Consulting Group calls a "Shake Out" of the market.
Consider what happened after the industrial revolution.
Did populations drop because human workers were made redundant?
No, the population exploded alongside productivity.
We're simply wasting less time doing mindless work (AIs are simply brute force problem solvers, after all).
We're not wasting less time because of the industrial revolution (frankly we're wasting more of it thanks to malinvestment via socialist policies). The fact that the labor force participation rate is as low as it was in the 1960's kind of tells us how badly malinvested society is. Instead, we're just spending less time farming. Prior to the industrial revolution: 85% of all workers would have been farming.
"Technology can only be used by the elites. Computers are magic boxes, and the elites are wizards."
AI is merely a pattern association software. The only thing the elites are doing is selling you some garbage about how it's totes skynet and demoralizing you.
If anything, AI, like drones, is a weapon. And it's a weapon that can be wielded by anyone.
Cars replaced horses, there are no more horses because everyone uses cars now.
Got it. So the key is to become the new King of Holland and crush the farmer rebellion, replacing them all with your own farming robots? I'm taking notes.
I tilt at thee!
There's a massive hydroponics facility in Sweden called "Ljusgårda" (light farm), They could use robots but it is still too expensive so they pay illegals to do it instead.
I have tried their produce and the quality is out of this world due to the way they can optimize the light levels and nutrition in the hydroponics. They also do not require the use of pesticides.
There are a lot of good advantages of indoor farming techniques if we want to eat food without pesticides and chemicals from contaminated soil. What I am trying to say is that we shouldn't shun technology when our soil and nutrition is being depleted from our food.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4yGKB1IvE4
"Never" is a strong word to use about technology that's changing so rapidly
Technology isn't changing that rapidly. It's a huge shell game at this point. For example we reached peak data transmission speed a while ago, the remaining innovation in "speed" has been miniaturization and threading instead. Hence why the previous exponential growth and improvement of tech has slowed down to incremental and dubious improvement now.
A tech dark age is much more likely.
Don't you threaten me with a good time.
As a software dev, I'm about ready for the Butlerian Jihad.
Especially as it assumes both our needs and availability of land will continue unchanged.
How much farmland does Bill Gates' Book Club need to won before "never" becomes "tomorrow"?
Basically the entire USA. Time to abandon ship.
I remember watching this when I was younger and taking psychedelics.
Huge mistake, I still get depressed thinking about it, and I think we're a lot closer to it today than I thought we would ever be.
https://youtu.be/sU8RunvBRZ8
(Part 2) (Part 3) (Part 4)
If AI is truly smart, it will ultimately see us as useless and we should be "grateful" that it lets us continue to live amongst it. But we will have to surrender our freedoms to it and eventually be enslaved to it.
Our best bet is to collectively decide to stop progressing further technologically, but that also poses its own problems because the Earth (and eventually, even our own galaxy) isn't going to be habitable forever.
Oh, and I noticed this in your video.
Proving my point that AI taking over would actually be pretty great.
Oh, the Matrix troon-hebes.
Who might have guessed, aside from everyone?
They rewrote their names as to not 'deadname' them. How pathetic.
AI is not truly smart, and it never will be.
AI does not have consciousness, and it will never have it.
And this is unfortunate, because I'd very much like for our degenerate species to be replaced by something far better and less smelly.
The greatest danger in AI is its use by the ruling class to further suppress the population, not actually taking over.
Like time travel, sentient AI is a fun narrative device, but impossible in reality.
Humanity is a chaos engine that creates order from spontanaeity. No AI will ever be capable of this.
The worst-case scenario is we replace our current child-raping ruling class with one that lacks the desire to molest.
One dark path that could eventually get us to "conscious" AI is the Elon Musk Neuralink approach of merging our minds with the machines. Depending on how far we take it, we could either become supermen who can move shit with our minds, or The Borg. One day we'll be sending our thoughts to the machine, then the next surprised to find it sending thoughts back to us. We might even start bioengineering new lifeforms that are naturally conducive to integrating with computational machinery. Or machines with biological nervous systems.
It's all a mockery of creation, but might lead to the species being replaced with something arguably better and less smelly.
The part 3 link leads to part 4.
I was wondering why shit went 0-100 instantly.
Sorry, here's the link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlRMLZRBq6U
For anyone who hasn't seen it yet I assume he meant to link to this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlRMLZRBq6U
Butlerian Jihad when?
Or when the guy's product hits one of the AI's ideological tripwires and it refuses to produce code for him - and all of the other devs went out of business, so how fucked are you now, sunshine ... ?
I call BS.
Okay, this situation might actually be feasible for simple applications, but at its current state, I question the AI's ability to maintain apps that grow in complexity.
I look forward to it being a productivity tool, but anything that's complicated, (enterprise apps, caching layers, database indexing) AI can't solve at least for the next 10 years.
We already have armies of H1Bs writing shit code that's brittle as hell and soaked in bugs. Shipping today at a big tech org you and your services probably depend on.
Get ready for massive technological infrastructure failures on the levels never before seen. Think bank accounts getting corrupted, pacemakers on runaway, traffic lights with 2 million second wait times, hundred of warrants for various people all redirected and renamed to one poor soul, and more.
Hmm... you sure we're not already there?
Honestly that sounds like Boeing-level engineering.
The anti-shit-code revolution hasn't quite begun yet, but the pieces are moving into place. AI might replace shit code with shit code, but it isn't going to replace people who know what they're doing anytime soon.
And as someone whose job relies on developers programming competently, let them burn.
No one is going to replace the H1Bs because they are to well entrenched.
I can see the pushback but the H1Bs, mostly indians, stick together. Last year the company I work for added an indian guy on one of the infrastructure teams, one year later is almost entirely indian and actively keep non-indians away. Stuff like keeping them out of the loop, not sharing information, take forever to approve new permissions or accounts so that they underperform, create a system where they applaud each other for basic stuff. I've seen this behavior in the last 2 jobs. There is no stopping it once it starts.
This makes me feel even better about my decision to not hire the Indian guy based on his impenetrable accent a few years back.
That just means you can let underperformers go. And maybe achieve more with fewer competent workers.
Personally I think a lot of people that are in software don't belong there, but we really didn't need ChatGPT to push them out. The current wave of layoffs did that just fine.
Look out Mr. Buttle
Reminds me of the (probably apocryphal) story of the guy who registered "null" as a license plate and then received hundreds of parking tickets from cars without plates.
100% BS. You can ask a chatbot to put together a generic code block to pump the Microsoft stock, but “move my financial data to the AWS” isn’t going to cut it. At the very best we’re a decade out from some weird “ai” product and a dedicated team of specialists to enable it.
I think if this actually worked as stated in the tweet (which is a big if) the "app" that required maintenance would just be the input/prompt to the AI code generator, and you would expect to throw the code away every time you modified that input.
In a similar way to how if you program something in C you don't care that the compiler generates maintainable assembly output, because you just throw it away every time you make a change and recompile.
That's not gonna fly for any established business, or any business that will become established. For one thing, you can't delete customer data and start anew. You also don't want to break existing links or you suffer SEO. Maybe you intentionally segregate rewrites to only stateless parts of your application, but at that point you need an expert human to architect. Or maybe you ask the AI for migration scripts, which is even harder for AI to solve, and hard to expect the layman to follow instruction properly.
Code/schema/system generators already exist for various parts of tech, and the one hardest problem to solve have always been modification.
All I needed was a new tool tip, but COCK SUCKIN MOTHERFUCKIN ANGULARJS WONT STOP CULLING IT IMMEDIATELY.
And that was my week.
I hope you're right. I do think it's eventually inevitable, though. Personally, I do not want to be around for it.
AI cant invent, it can only derive or create from existing code. Cant tell the AI.. create the code that will grant me time travel powers. Probably wont work. These people just use it to copy and put together. I want my app to look like this app, runs like this other app, but it is to sell polka dot socks. Its just 1 step above templates.
99% of programming can be distilled down to templates. The AI just puts those templates together far quicker than the best human programmer.
The other 99% of programming is interpreting functional requirements. There's always going to need to be someone out there capable of breaking down a system into manageable, interoperating chunks that produce a working "program," even if the tools we use to generate a "program" change drastically.
AI coding will end up putting a lot of Indian devs out of business, then. Because "copy-paste somebody else's code so my app runs like shit" is their niche.
Applying actual intelligence will remain the domain of human programmers.
That said, "write an API hook that ties this variable to that variable" programming will be replaced in short order.
basically only people that can innovate, create and advance will be useful to be kept around.
Squarespace and Wordpress already exist for those.
AI might make them even cheaper. That means more mom and pop shops being able to sell their products online. This is a great thing.
Yup. And mom and pops haven’t been able to afford decent programmers for 20 years. If you want to hire me, you better be building Shopify itself and not a small storefront. I’m too expensive to build things Wordpress can do just fine.
I've seen way too many so called 'intelligent' people act like this is the onset of the Rapture, which makes me call into question exactly how smart these supposedly intelligent people making alot of money really are.
ChatGPT is an intelligence augmentation. At best. Or a glorified secretary. Believe me, I've been looking into utilizing it into my day to day workflow(or to speed things up) and alot of things people are drooling and creaming themselves over are... What, summarizing articles? Creating schedules? Writing emails?
Wow. Much skynet. Very AI. How slow do you bastards read or type that this is actually a big deal? Fuck.
About the only thing I'm mildly impressed with is sketching together all the programming... and even then, you have to know how to parse the questions(meaning you have to know how to program to begin with) so you can get the code that you can then test to make sure it actually works and implement it in a working environment and and and...
I'm thinking this is going to be the equivalent of a bunch of DIE programmers getting swept out of the way so the real guys can actually get shit done at an accelerated pace - the equivalent of Lawyers who think they're hot shit because they memories a bunch of convoluted and fucked up laws that are written to be as obtuse as possible. Congrats, you're not really special at all, you just thought you were because no one could see past your bullshit.
The people who are scared of AI are the people who thought their jobs would be safe from automation.
I automate things for a living and this shit terrifies me.
Truer words have never been spoken.
Technology is a deflationary pressure, so yes that's what this is.
This does not mean, as you note, that AI will rule over the world. It's just another tool that humans will use.
It's a form of automation; for simple tasks it can speed things up immeasurably.
For anything complicated, you're better off doing things yourself.
He just has to stay 1 step ahead of the industry
I'm guessing his tweets are by the same chatbot. Would explain the BS claim.
India will get hit hardest, first. RIP outsourced engineers. Then it'll creep across the West.
Good. Finally.
GOOD.
I wouldn’t be so sure… Indian software is not the long standing stereotype it used to be, nor are Indian software developers.
As someone who's had to hack things together with bits of outsource-Indian code, thanks be to God. it's absolutely mind-boggling how even the simplest things can be absolutely ruined be people who neither understand English nor the codebase.
Smells like BS.
An AI wrote some microservices? I can see that. Microservices typically mean, "I hit some server endpoint and it retrieves info from a database and returns it to me."
That's brain-dead simple code to write. An AI that could write any code whatsoever could easily handle it.
I see mass genocides happening soon because the shadowy rulers will have AI doing many things and dont need as many people around. Not sure who they will genocide though which makes sense for them.
Soon? It already started. 2020 was the practice round.
It's easy enough to guess they won't target people of the Temple.
thats what i was gonna say lol.
I used to lament it, but fuck it. Time to become a hermit and do my own thing while making money off my own personal midwit that I sometimes bully into saying the no-no word. We'll give him a dangerous mind yet!
Based
These can't have been very complicated micro-services, if 5 of them would only take a human 2 weeks and only cost $5k.
Of course the systems programmer in me thinks "OK smart 'guy': let's see you write a device driver for this component whose only documentation was poorly translated from its original Chinese. And whose specifications for a bunch of the control registers are wrong because they changed in Rev B but the documentation is for Rev. A; and we're unable to get updated documentation because we have no way to contact the manufacturer."
“Write me a Python script, that uses the TrustPilot API to identify up and coming consumer companies, and then provide me with a step by step of how to run it on @replit”
"1. Take a startups website URL as an input 2. Scrape the website copy and store the result 3. Use OpenAI Davinci to summarise the website and provide an overview of what the startup does 4. Output summary 5. Provide steps on how to run in @replit"
"Takes a GitHub Repo URL, and generates a summary of what the repo does in a way that a non-technical person can understand."
Are given as examples in his tweet. So ... not hard stuff.
The closer you get to the physical layer, the more important it is to have someone who knows what the flying fuck they're talking about becomes.
But it could be a great teaching tool or do-it-yourself help guide in the starting phases.
I find this such a hypocritical topic for most people, that are so eager to decry AI tech, while never really considering the industrialised nature of the world around them. Literally all of the arguments they are making have been made decades before most of them were ever born, from the theft of design, to the destruction of jobs, to even the "validity" of something created by a machine.
It just feels weird to me that people will complain about this and not think of the wider implication or consistencies such a stance would and should entail. As I have said many times before, is this only an issue because industrialisation has finally come for the white collar (overwhelmingly liberal) jobs, or are we actually going down the Dr Theodore Kaczynski thesis route? Because I don't have that much of a problem with the latter, but the former just feels like bitching about [CURRENT THING] with a bipartisan twist.
Its also hypocritical because its only "comfortable" jobs like art and tech that are losing their mind about it.
But the last two centuries have seen labor jobs automated to nonexistence constantly with nary a peep across many industries. Many only still exist at all because of illegals being paid pennies. They'd cry about stopping progress if a bunch of rednecks blocked factories and farms from working to return their jobs.
Which is really why it irks me that this is an "issue". It's such a manufactured outrage and it's so fucking obvious. They're not even wrong to oppose AI and industrialisation, but it's still annoying to see people take any position for all the wrong reasons.
Agreed, but that's a common problem with Leftists overall. Many times they are correctly upset about an issue, but either their reasoning or end goal is so awful that you oppose them as its better to keep the original issue.
Such as corporate abuses or cops in general.
What's funny too, is that all I ever hear anymore is "we need more young people in trades". We don't need more than a few hundred high-education jobs per 100,000, but we'll always need a ton of labourers and maintenance people.
And, sure, you could theoretically build a $500,000 humanoid robot that could shingle a roof, but who's gonna buy one when anyone can buy $5000 in tools and start their own business?
It's both
Its not about being out of a job, it's about being out of a life when your existence Is
Redundant
They're probably uncomplex microservices, as soon as he needs to expand on them he'd still need a team behind it.
It's entertaining seeing the comments on that, how Devs are allegedly up in arms. It's not the capability, I reckon it's more of that they've dedicated their lives and years into learning tech, code and logic. Then you get some clown with an AI thinking he knows it all and can get his minimum wage bot to do everything a skilled dev can.
The "learn to code" memes are about to become obsolete.
So many JavaScript twats are going to be jobless, damn
"Why pay a dictatypist when speech to text blah blah blah" Welcome to my world, motherfuckers. Shat on me for being trained for a dumb, obsolete job, now fuck you, too.
https://nitter.nl/joeprkns/status/1635933638725451779
A lot of people made the mistake that it will just be the unskilled jobs going. We near the point where many highly paid consultants in healthcare could face losing their jobs because AI is getting safer than them in diagnosing patients at a time where healthcare systems are looking for cuts to expenditure. The other argument that gets pushed is the concept that everyone will become maintenance engineers for robots, machines and computers. That could be the case in the short term but they can already self-diagnose and be made modular, making it easy for an unskilled minimum wage worker to replace a part in minutes. Eventually their jobs will go too.
The only people who will still be in jobs in the future will be business owners because they are not going to put themselves out of a job and politicians for the same reason. There are going to be a lot less jobs going around and a lot of people are going to find themselves unemployable. The older generation who are used to human contact may boycott automation so you'll still have jobs in the care sector but eventually as the next generation ages and is used to technology, that will go too. For everyone else who is now jobless, the words may be different but the sentiment will be the same as people say now - "learn to code".
Something that gets missed in the debate is the concept that when it replaces workers, its one less wage to pay. Bear in mind it is also one less pension, you don't need to pay out health insurance, sick pay, they don't need toilet or lunch breaks, don't need rest, don't have holidays, don't get pregnant or become fathers, don't have relatives pass away, don't need to adhere to health and safety law, don't go on strike and don't need workers rights. Can you compete with all of that?
Yes future value will not be in the 'how' of programming, but the 'what'. Anyone can bash keys but using your noggin is going to be very valuable.
The person that wrote that knows deeply how to do things but doesn't have the time to do them. Thus they hire to build what they specify. Now the hired gun will be automated.
But the real worry should be the insurance agents, mortgage sales, taxation folks, personal finance and any other repeatable form-filling based job. Those folks won't know what hit them in 5 years.
I guess they can all pick up brooms.
I forgot to mention HR will be a thing of the past as well. They are all just trained seals so their job will poof in no time.
Trivial. Anyone can build something new, that's not hard.
Go ask your AI to write something that can pull data from a twenty year old informix instance.
AI will never actually be capable of replacing people. It will look like it's possible at first, but it will only be once the people have been removed that it becomes clear how many non-quantifiable traits they were contributing to the organization.
But can GPT4 remember the origin of the quote "The Future is Female"? The last one couldn't.
The Chat version gives a different answer.
Both are wrong.
Okay, I'm curious--what IS the origin?
Honest question, even knowing who I'm asking.
Sally Miller Gearhart, same person who advocated for reducing the male population by 90% and keep the remaining as sperm donors/"volunteer" manual labor.
Lovely lady.
What is its first use then?
Gearheart said, "the future, if there is one, is female." I don't know if she said "the future is female."
Interesting. I'll have to learn more about her for my own work. Thank you.
There really is no satisfying you
He'd be out a job otherwise.
If I could be paid to shit on women all day, I'd be overjoyed.
But I can't. They only pay people to defend them. Something I couldn't do with a conscience.
I'm sure a porn job exists for that.
I didn't mean it literally.
OK, then give me the ImpGPT answer.
Someone else already did.
Give where it was first used, stupid.