This reminds me of my best friend. Growing up he played yugioh, to the point he made it to nationals in Chicago and got invited to play in japan. He would min max a deck with cards that are “banned” now and would make the morbidly obese manchilds rage (like the ones in this article) he probably made over 2k just playing local tournaments which was good money for a 13/14 year old and he’s been selling old cards lately for even more.
That and he ran a deck slightly over the minimum card limit. Can’t remember what specific cards he used, but he basically speed ran through his deck while the sweaties were running max card decks.
You’d be surprised. It was the advent of things like Dueling Network that really allowed people to test outside of their local playgroup and started consolidating knowledge and theory. But even into early 5Ds era, I’m pretty sure it’s possible to find occasional tournament deck lists that did put up actual results doing silly things like running Upstart Goblin in a 41 card deck.
No. It's well established now to keep the absolute minimum number of cards in your deck as possible. You pick the cards that will win and nothing more to keep the chances of drawing them high.
Anything more than that bloats the deck.
But back when we were all kids zMor3 monsterz izzz moar powahhhh.
There are card games where you could pick your deck size? I only ever played the Pokémon TCG, and with the 60 card deck you always wanted to put in support cards (and some Pokémon) that were there just to get you the card you needed as fast as possible. I can't think of any decks that you would ever want to run more than 60 cards with the maximum of 4 cards per type. No wonder those lads kept losing lol.
Some strategies in Yugioh rely on 60 card decks. They aren't competitively viable in the current format, and they are normally very mill-heavy (sending cards from your deck to the graveyard). These decks tend to have a lot of effects they can activate in the GY and essentially use it as a second hand. "That Grass Looks Greener" specifically allows those types of decks to dump up to 20 cards directly into the GY at the beginning of the game, which is normally game determinative.
Sometimes other rogue or pet decks want to run 60 cards as well, due to the bulk of their engine being too large to cut down, format specific strategies and the large number of staples you need in a deck just to have a chance to play the game.
He’s making about 10k a year off collectible selling on eBay and the like. His younger brother has about 50k worth of collectible cards just sitting in boxes in his mom’s basement according to him. Imagine being able to pay off a good chunk of a house today just from Pokémon and yugioh cards.
Imagine being able to pay off a good chunk of a house today just from Pokémon and yugioh cards.
Imagine what a clown world we live in where people are willing to pay for them.
It's crazy enough that people pay obscene money for old baseball cards that are genuinely rare because people didn't value them until years after they were printed, but these cards came from computer files that are stored on some server, and they could crank out a million more tomorrow that would be identical in every way. It's truly artificial rarity.
Oh my friend mocks the entire thing, but 10k a year doing minimal effort and eBay selling is a nice paycheck bonus. He even shows me the buyer demographics of a lot of these cards/ collectibles, it’s almost entirely apartment renters in cities buying $200+ dollar cards. The eBay bidding addiction is real, I’ve seen people outbid his buy now price by $50+ a few times now.
The consumerism in nerd culture has gotten to epidemic levels and been nothing but bad on multiple fronts: hobbies that used to encourage DIY aspects are all but gone in the name of selling more products, scalping and limited runs have become so common now even some companies are trying to step in. Tell your friend to keep an ear to the ground, I don't know when the bottom will drop out but I'm guessing sooner than later.
God forbid anyone strive to succeed at something they like when they're 13 years old.
They would shit on him for literally any interest he has or had. It is totally pathetic.
“At the time, it was probably the most powerful deck you could play,” one player from San Francisco told the outlet. “I infer from that that he’s ruthless and wants to win at all costs.”
On Reddit, a subgroup for “Magic” players concluded that any deck built around Yawgmoth’s Bargain would be associated with “greed, ambition, dominance, wickedness, the dead and undead, vampires, demons, blood magic.”
“The idea of [the card] is a deal with the devil, right? You’re selling your soul for power… It’s power at any cost, and that seems to be what he’s into,” Kunce added.
greed, ambition, dominance, wickedness, the dead and undead, vampires, demons, blood magic
Those are, in fact, largely the in-lore associations of the color black. Obviously, playing black in the game doesn’t mean someone is actually evil (lol), it just means they enjoy certain types of effects and playstyles. That said, I would like to see all the SJWs stop playing Magic out of protest for the game making “black” “evil.” That would be a nice ironic fate after WOTC has spent so long charging leftwards.
(Also, you can do this for any of the colors. He plays white? I guess he wants to impose tyrannically strict order! He plays red? Guess he wants to super aggressively burn everything down. Green? Anti-progress. Blue? Anti-nature).
“The idea of [the card] is a deal with the devil, right? You’re selling your soul for power… It’s power at any cost, and that seems to be what he’s into,” Kunce added
Massive voter fraud in a battleground state but you can always trust The New York Post to bitch about the vice president nominee playing a strong magic card decades ago
I played a weird red/green/colorless fast mana deck with a bunch of alternative mana sources, and I was the only one able to do anything when one of my friends busted out his mono-blue control deck. It was hilarious.
Who cares? Playing any game among friends for fun, you set some ground rules and not suck the fun out of it. That’s fine. Playing a game in a competitive tournament environment? Push the rules all the way up to the walking the line right next to cheating. If you don’t, someone else will and you walk away the loser.
I don't know much about Magic other than the basic idea of how the game works (I play other card games though) but from the outside with no real knowledge of the game... that card seems... extremely shit? Like really, really terrible? Pay 6 mana to... not draw a card... then you pay a life... and then you... draw... a card? I don't get it. What's the combo here? Can someone explain?
I haven't played since I was a teenager myself, but I think the idea is that you can use the card as many times as you want in one turn. So you play this, then you draw as many cards as you can, getting yourself to 1 life, and unleash a nuke, while your opponent can't do anything except maybe play a Counterspell or some other Instant, because it's your turn the entire time. He just sits there and watches you build an army of doom.
Well, not infinite. If you don't have a way to gain life, you get 19 uses before you die. But that means potentially a ton of draw power in one blast, but if you don't manage to get a winning hand out of it you're probably fucked.
The cost of 4BB is the big knock against it. I think 6 mana is kind of heavy by combo bullshit standards, but it's been a decade since I played.
Edit: As someone else said, it also lets you draw out of turn so you can go digging for a response to your opponents moves on their turn too.
Yeah, in MtG, effects on permanents that don't specifically say things like "when X happens, do Y" or "activate X times per turn" are assumed to be repeatable as many times as you can pay their cost.
Being able to draw multiple cards a turn (or even during your opponent's turn, which in fairness is one area that this is better than Necropotence, which is regarded as one of the most powerful cards of all time) is a huge advantage, and the cost is completely irrelevant until you are actually in danger of losing the game and therefore can't risk paying it.
If you draw 19 cards off it, leaving you with a single point of life, you probably ended up drawing 10+ more cards than your opponent and are so far ahead that you aren't at any risk, or already won the game long ago.
“If JD Vance was playing that at the kitchen table against his buddies, then people probably thought he was kind of a jerk,”
More like one of his buddies built a deck to counter him so he would be forced to play something else from time to time.
I remember a time when this revelation would actually get the nerd culture demographic excited.
Once upon a time, they would have been thrilled to see a public figure like him (especially a politician) express an interest in something people are usually quick to dismiss as frivolous.
Now, they take that common ground they have with him and use it to demonize him. The 180 pop culture pundits have taken on social and political issues never ceases to astound me.
This reminds me of my best friend. Growing up he played yugioh, to the point he made it to nationals in Chicago and got invited to play in japan. He would min max a deck with cards that are “banned” now and would make the morbidly obese manchilds rage (like the ones in this article) he probably made over 2k just playing local tournaments which was good money for a 13/14 year old and he’s been selling old cards lately for even more.
Because he liked to use POT OF GREED, allowing him to draw two more cards from his deck???
That and he ran a deck slightly over the minimum card limit. Can’t remember what specific cards he used, but he basically speed ran through his deck while the sweaties were running max card decks.
Everyone knew you needed as small a deck as possible to be effective.
You’d be surprised. It was the advent of things like Dueling Network that really allowed people to test outside of their local playgroup and started consolidating knowledge and theory. But even into early 5Ds era, I’m pretty sure it’s possible to find occasional tournament deck lists that did put up actual results doing silly things like running Upstart Goblin in a 41 card deck.
You mean minimum card decks?
No. It's well established now to keep the absolute minimum number of cards in your deck as possible. You pick the cards that will win and nothing more to keep the chances of drawing them high.
Anything more than that bloats the deck.
But back when we were all kids zMor3 monsterz izzz moar powahhhh.
Oh I didn't realize people would ever routinely play more than the minimum. I come from Magic, so I understand the concept.
Even Magic wasn't ALWAYS like that.
"Twenty Black Lotuses and twenty Plague Rats. Now that's real Magic." -Old Fogey's flavor text.
There are card games where you could pick your deck size? I only ever played the Pokémon TCG, and with the 60 card deck you always wanted to put in support cards (and some Pokémon) that were there just to get you the card you needed as fast as possible. I can't think of any decks that you would ever want to run more than 60 cards with the maximum of 4 cards per type. No wonder those lads kept losing lol.
Some strategies in Yugioh rely on 60 card decks. They aren't competitively viable in the current format, and they are normally very mill-heavy (sending cards from your deck to the graveyard). These decks tend to have a lot of effects they can activate in the GY and essentially use it as a second hand. "That Grass Looks Greener" specifically allows those types of decks to dump up to 20 cards directly into the GY at the beginning of the game, which is normally game determinative.
Sometimes other rogue or pet decks want to run 60 cards as well, due to the bulk of their engine being too large to cut down, format specific strategies and the large number of staples you need in a deck just to have a chance to play the game.
Next episode: "What does Pot of Greed do again?"
Yami: sharp intake of breath
ROLL MY DICE
That does what it do.
Until you said Chicago I thought we might have known each other irl. I've gotten a deck banned in the past as well, and sold a fair few prize cards.
He’s making about 10k a year off collectible selling on eBay and the like. His younger brother has about 50k worth of collectible cards just sitting in boxes in his mom’s basement according to him. Imagine being able to pay off a good chunk of a house today just from Pokémon and yugioh cards.
Imagine what a clown world we live in where people are willing to pay for them.
It's crazy enough that people pay obscene money for old baseball cards that are genuinely rare because people didn't value them until years after they were printed, but these cards came from computer files that are stored on some server, and they could crank out a million more tomorrow that would be identical in every way. It's truly artificial rarity.
Oh my friend mocks the entire thing, but 10k a year doing minimal effort and eBay selling is a nice paycheck bonus. He even shows me the buyer demographics of a lot of these cards/ collectibles, it’s almost entirely apartment renters in cities buying $200+ dollar cards. The eBay bidding addiction is real, I’ve seen people outbid his buy now price by $50+ a few times now.
The consumerism in nerd culture has gotten to epidemic levels and been nothing but bad on multiple fronts: hobbies that used to encourage DIY aspects are all but gone in the name of selling more products, scalping and limited runs have become so common now even some companies are trying to step in. Tell your friend to keep an ear to the ground, I don't know when the bottom will drop out but I'm guessing sooner than later.
Yeah my card career financed my first car.
I mean I'd compare to my Nvidia stock.
God forbid anyone strive to succeed at something they like when they're 13 years old.
They would shit on him for literally any interest he has or had. It is totally pathetic.
He should have pretended to be a minority and grifted off anti-white racial grievances and racism like Elizabeth warren
Thanks, Babylo-WHAT???
The card: https://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/card/details.aspx?multiverseid=15193
Those are, in fact, largely the in-lore associations of the color black. Obviously, playing black in the game doesn’t mean someone is actually evil (lol), it just means they enjoy certain types of effects and playstyles. That said, I would like to see all the SJWs stop playing Magic out of protest for the game making “black” “evil.” That would be a nice ironic fate after WOTC has spent so long charging leftwards.
(Also, you can do this for any of the colors. He plays white? I guess he wants to impose tyrannically strict order! He plays red? Guess he wants to super aggressively burn everything down. Green? Anti-progress. Blue? Anti-nature).
Imagine the pathetic cope one struggles with to look to a 30 year old card game to find a criticism against a political candidate.
More like blue? Counter spell asshole
Bunch of RP fags.
Mana cost + damage = win game, fuck off
Projection as usual. If it came out that Harris knew how to legally game a system and owned the chuds they'd be celebrating her
What a kunce.
I’m old enough to remember Vance being a media darling due to the rags to riches life story.
Massive voter fraud in a battleground state but you can always trust The New York Post to bitch about the vice president nominee playing a strong magic card decades ago
Lmao he played black? Par for the course. Now if he played mono blue I'd be worried.
Congress, looking dejectedly at Trump after passing a bill, "does... does it resolve?"
Trump, smugly: "protection from clowns."
The next article: “J. D. Vance’s Tyrannical, Controlling Force of Will.”
Holy fuck, the memories.
I played a weird red/green/colorless fast mana deck with a bunch of alternative mana sources, and I was the only one able to do anything when one of my friends busted out his mono-blue control deck. It was hilarious.
We're reaching unprecedented levels or retardation.
All of this because Orange Man, who is Bad, will give Globalists 80% of their agenda instead of 100%.
"Mom's high again, better play magic"
It's like he was my neighbor. This guy is my fucking spirit animal.
That is an entire new level of stupid but I guess is made just for clicks
They could have made it even more stupid: "Ten cards in JD Vance's Magic deck that prove he's a Nazi"
"Is Vance playing mono-black in Magic the same thing as blackface?"
I'm just disappointed it wasn't Necropotence or Contract From Below
Who cares? Playing any game among friends for fun, you set some ground rules and not suck the fun out of it. That’s fine. Playing a game in a competitive tournament environment? Push the rules all the way up to the walking the line right next to cheating. If you don’t, someone else will and you walk away the loser.
How dare he not play Commander, which is what Magic soycucks turned the game into, I guess.
Meanwhile libs pay for Netflix and Cuties, but I'm a reactionary when I point out they want to act on their pedo desires.
I don't know much about Magic other than the basic idea of how the game works (I play other card games though) but from the outside with no real knowledge of the game... that card seems... extremely shit? Like really, really terrible? Pay 6 mana to... not draw a card... then you pay a life... and then you... draw... a card? I don't get it. What's the combo here? Can someone explain?
I haven't played since I was a teenager myself, but I think the idea is that you can use the card as many times as you want in one turn. So you play this, then you draw as many cards as you can, getting yourself to 1 life, and unleash a nuke, while your opponent can't do anything except maybe play a Counterspell or some other Instant, because it's your turn the entire time. He just sits there and watches you build an army of doom.
Glass-cannon build
Ooh, I assumed this was a one time use effect. So it just sits there on your board and gives you infinite draws? Damn thats actually kind of nuts.
Yeah, if it was once per turn it would probably say "Tap, Pay 1 life". It doesn't say to tap it.
Okay yeah it does sound pretty wild now.
Well, not infinite. If you don't have a way to gain life, you get 19 uses before you die. But that means potentially a ton of draw power in one blast, but if you don't manage to get a winning hand out of it you're probably fucked.
The cost of 4BB is the big knock against it. I think 6 mana is kind of heavy by combo bullshit standards, but it's been a decade since I played.
Edit: As someone else said, it also lets you draw out of turn so you can go digging for a response to your opponents moves on their turn too.
It's pretty busted. The point is you draw a ton into your wincon, and then kill the table.
Not the most busted thing in mtg by far, especially these days, but when it came out was s tier.
Yeah, in MtG, effects on permanents that don't specifically say things like "when X happens, do Y" or "activate X times per turn" are assumed to be repeatable as many times as you can pay their cost.
It's pretty good, though overcosted now.
Being able to draw multiple cards a turn (or even during your opponent's turn, which in fairness is one area that this is better than Necropotence, which is regarded as one of the most powerful cards of all time) is a huge advantage, and the cost is completely irrelevant until you are actually in danger of losing the game and therefore can't risk paying it.
If you draw 19 cards off it, leaving you with a single point of life, you probably ended up drawing 10+ more cards than your opponent and are so far ahead that you aren't at any risk, or already won the game long ago.
“If JD Vance was playing that at the kitchen table against his buddies, then people probably thought he was kind of a jerk,” More like one of his buddies built a deck to counter him so he would be forced to play something else from time to time.
What a strange hill to take.
The man has good taste in MTG cards. Yawgmoth's Bargain is absolutely busted.
Says the same people that want a journalist mode.
That's pretty badass for a senator lol
I remember a time when this revelation would actually get the nerd culture demographic excited.
Once upon a time, they would have been thrilled to see a public figure like him (especially a politician) express an interest in something people are usually quick to dismiss as frivolous.
Now, they take that common ground they have with him and use it to demonize him. The 180 pop culture pundits have taken on social and political issues never ceases to astound me.
The commentary is so terrible on this I know who doesn't play the best TCG.
Given Disney just released their Lorcana rip off, it sounds like they should hate Disney just as much as we do.
Isn't the Post supposed to be the conservative NYC paper? This is such a silly article.