We're coming up on Month 5 of the fabled four week Ukrainian offensive that was to have pushed the Russians back to Moscow by August. The Ukranians are estimated to have taken more than a quarter of a million casualties, are almost totally out of armored vehicles and are largely down to attacking in waves like zombies by drugging their conscripted soldiers with methamphetamine. We've even seen the most blatant attempt at a CIA color revolution in our lifetimes in the form of the hastily aborted Wagner rebellion, and the company has since largely been absorbed into the Russian Ministry of Defense. And we've finally started seeing fatigue set in within the US political system as the normally cowardly cuckolds of the Republican party are now suggesting that pouring a third of the defense budget into the most corrupt country on earth might have been a bad idea.
Thus I ask, how do you think the conflict will be resolved?
One small caveat, since I haven't seen this mentioned much on the site. The Russians officially consider the United States a belligerent in the war, and won't accept negotiations brokered by the US government. Turns out lend lease isn't a trick that works twice.
Russia won the war on the first day. Since then the question has been how much material, money, and lives NATO will waste to keep it going.
Depopulation in order to create New Khazaria has always been the plan. They wanted another safe haven that doesn't have violent Arabs everywhere surrounding them.
Ya I'm stuck it's either the Russians shirk Judeo-marxists off and just retain the current swath of land for ethnic Russians.
Or, and which is more likely, that it's been a big meat grinder to finish the holodomyr and the genocide of slavs to make room for khazaria.
Fucking lol. That's absurd to a point of stupidity never before seen. You couldn't do that if you tried. Or better yet, considering you think the jews are in control of the globalists, why not just demographically replace belgium or denmark with jews.
There are a lot easier ways to do this than what's happening.
Ukraine's just a piggy bank for the GAE.
Because khazaria is in modern Ukraine not Belgium, numb nuts
So a fake 'double Israel' is going to form in Ukraine, which has a shockingly small Jewish minority because the globalist elite have to capture an eastern country, instead of demographically replacing a population in a country they already have totalitarian control over in western Europe.
Because obviously this weird jewish racial cabal would totally replace western Christians' with Islamists, but no jews....
And they most definitely wouldn't go back to Poland, which had the largest jewish population prior to WW2 because.... ???
This is a fucking stupid conspiracy that doesn't make any sense.
Look up the Khazars and then come back.
"Ethnic jews do not exist anywhere but Ukraine, therefore my wild-eyed conspiracy theory makes sense."
Khazaria is a geographic place lol. I see this kind of frenzied defensive response in a lot of propagandized peoples when we talk about the JQ. Imagine if you so fiercely defended your own people instead?
I do, from you, because you're anti-American swine.
Again, your conspiracy makes no sense.
Have you ever heard of "The Hundred Years War"?
The USA, Canada, the EU, the Ukraine, they all seem to really like nazis, if you selectively pick news articles. Canada even gave one a standing ovation recently, and another honored as the chancellor of the university of Alberta, while the Ukraine has a whole Battalion overtly pledged, and the USA loves funneling money through them while greasing palms with some gold they know they love so much. And so Russia's stated reason for aggression, ostensibly to fight nazis, will not cease to exist for a long, long time. And their actual reasons (of which there are many) necessitate a victorious result, they're SCREWED if they lose, even though it's a war of aggression on their side.
Meanwhile, while the Ukraine has little power on its own, it is backed by some huge arms, leading to grandstanding and posturing. It isn't going to give up any land, any trade rights, and especially not their right to their precious Azov Battalion nazi brigade, part of their important heritage. So they're not going to give up, their reason for fighting is the continuance of their current unchanging existence. And while normally they'd be steamrolled and that would be that (see the Crimea thing, it was just given up, just like that), their powerful backers are making them never back down.
Peace is a very luxury product. Too expensive for Russia to buy. Too tacky and gaudy for Zelensky to wear when he's trying to impress his peerage. And so they will war, the cheaper and more fashionable option.
At the current setup, Russia will "win" in the traditional sense, Ukraine will be forced to eventually relinquish some of its existence to Russia, but it will be overall a loss for both countries, a long and bloody war full of third party interference (USA on one side, China on the other) whose debts will be claimed at the war's closure.
You guys can't be this retarded? You can join Azov, wear all the insignia you want, but you'll never be a real National Socialist because at the end of the day you're saluting and serving a jew who sees you as disposable, and you're fighting to allow globalists to set a stronghold in your country, which never had, and never will have any national identity, ever, other than being USSR's asshole for some time, then the shittiest country in Europe, then at the mercy of western taxpayers and military aid. The same west which has countries where it's illegal to even question the Holocaust, the same west where you can't even say anything negative no matter how undeniably factual about jews is instantly labeled as antisemitism, the same west where you have the ADL with its massive presence, the same west where half the numbers from 1 to 100 are ''hate symbols'' and ''dogwhistles'' tied to Nazis and white supremacy, yea that same west sure loves Nazis just because some useful Ukrainian poser puppets with 88 and Hitler tattoos have a battalion in Ukraine.
At least someone, even if it's fucking Canada, honors a living war hero. I hope the dead red army scum and other communist vermin that he killed in his day are still rotting in hell
Thank you for your comment. I can't believe with all the information these neolib neocon zionist lovers can't see the forest for the trees.
Millions dead in Iraq, our soldiers too, because they believed the same propaganda that Israel needs to wage some holy war using goyim against the sand people.
This low iq shit is ridiculous. If western nations love nazis so much how come if you go out tomorrow and claim to love hitler and be a nazi you'll be crucified for being one and lose everything? Some politically convenient anti Russian Ukrainian, who supported nazis during ww2 (enemy of my enemy is my friend logic) being held up in Canada as a hero for anti russian propaganda purposes is not evidence of western societies being nazis.
Why do you keep acting like jews don't control the banks, media, academia, with even military generalships overly jewish, and we send billions to Israel. Cdc head is a jew. AG is a jew. Treasury secretary a jew. Pfizer ceo a jew.
But it's always muh nazis bad and nazis actually run everything.
Boomer truth regime. You can cry about jews all you want, but American elites were always fond of Fascists and National Socialism until Hitler screwed them over and sided with Stalin (for a moment, Stalin was really gullible).
Fascism was always Progressive.
Crying about the "Disparate Impact" of jews is just a distraction that keeps you missing the point that you are ruled by socialists at every level, and the jooz are just a chosen proletariat or bourgeois class depending on the time and place.
Real conservatism has never been tried, you see
Or maybe look at (((who))) pushes this stuff. Fascism is a response to how to run a nation state in the modern age.
Things were much better in the west before the rise of the Jewish impact. Now we get diversity, kelergi plan bs, and rampant sexuality deviance.
Hitler bad for siding with Stalin so we had to fight them by siding with Stalin... your logic is non existent. Hitler invading Poland is bad, therefore we have to side with the soviets so they can own half of Europe.
All these movements, from feminism to communism are all overwhelmingly Jewish but you've been raised on (((Hollywood))) to ignore that.
Yes yes. "Modern Nation States" need to be run by Italian Trade Unionist State Syndicalism.
No.
Clearly French Intellectuals, but no, what would France have to do with degenerated Liberalism. Obviously jewish, if you're an idiot.
Anyways, Hitler being bad has nothing to do with whether or not he sided with Stalin, but keep making stuff up to rationalize Socialists as good people.
Yes, all of these are explicitly Socialist, but because there were jewish intellectuals in an intellectualist movement, obviously it shows that no white people would be involved in Socialism.
What?
K.
Once somebody concludes that most if not all social strife and injustice has been caused by the Evil Jews there's no way to convince him that there is no vast conspiracy of them bent on fucking up his life. The Rothschilds cooked up more than just chocolates.
It gets to the point where people claim, "The Nazis weren't so bad, Hitler was a misunderstood genius and Mein Kampf is mere autobiography with no propaganda purpose," etc.
That said, Israel can fuck right off and fight its own wars.
Now that the average age of a frontline Ukraine soldier is like 40; Meaning 20-60 year olds being black-bagged off the streets and thrown into the artillery grinder, I would think it wont be too long before Zelenskyy is hauled out into the streets by his own people and flayed, or he sees it coming and flees to Switzerland to one of his new mountain homes.
Barring that, the proxy war only ends when the US stops sending billions.
Yeah they are running into a serious manpower problem and no matter how many arms are give that doesn't change that. I fear eventually this will result in NATO ground forces being thrown into the fray because once the manpower runs out this proxy war can't continue at that point.
If Russia hasn't already privately communicated that with the first NATO soldier they find in Ukraine they will kick off World War 3 by vaporizing every NATO country's capital they're doing it wrong.
That's the beauty of nuclear deterrence, you don't have to be able to win a war, you just have to be able to devastate the other side so bad that it doesn't matter who wins.
They'd be doing everybody a huge favor.
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I think you raise an interesting point. We know that they're going to run out of people soon. The bigwigs in NATO know that too.
And as TriangleGang pointed out, Russia has probably warned them against putting boots on the ground. So what do they do? Try to negotiate before it's too late? Russia might not accept anything but unconditional surrender.
What's left for NATO? Hiring private military operators? Is that even feasible?
Now with current situation I see an eventual disavowing of them and probably a push for them to eventually agree to Russia's terms. This middle eastern conflict about to kick off has already started a transfer of arms and bodies to Israel instead of Ukraine. The Ukrainians of course are complaining but israel is far more important to politicians than them.
The Russians seek to be steamrolling Avdiivka and from what information is coming out there's not the defense the Ukies put up at Bakhmut.
Why would he go to Switzerland? He has all the money he needs now he will return to Israel like all the other jews when their work is done.
Look at all the sexual predators escaping extradition by returning to israel
That would be nice.
How do you suppose the US and others making bank on the war would react to that? A revolving door of puppet dictators?
Yeah. There's some talk that Zelenskyy hasn't really been in Ukraine much, just green screening it from safer locations. I imagine they'll just install a new yes-man to NATO. It can't be someone too hardline in either direction, because Blackrock needs to be able to continue to snatch up all that farmland/wheat. They need a puppet gov that will enforce their rebuilding contracts. E.g. debt Ukraine will never be able to pay back, selling off their landmarks and infrastructure and being a serfdom to globohomo.
Blackrock then dumps the wheat at super low prices into the surrounding countries, crashing the profits of the locals, and then buying up their property when they are forced to sell off assets.
Is there any serious evidence to what's actually going on in the war and that they are conscripting people off the street in Ukraine? It's obvious that Ukraine aren't doing anything to dislodge Russia but where are people getting that it's that bad in ukraine?
Conscription by kidnapping has been documented in a whole bunch of videos throughout the year. As for the average age, that came up in the news recently but I'm on mobile so I can't be bothered looking for it right now - maybe someone else has a link.
yes, and they've basically run out of fighting-age men to fight in Ukraine. they're taking older men and young boys now. they're even trying to conscript women with medical experience as nurses, but they are all fleeing to Europe.
they should start conscripting african migrants.
They are willing to officially admit to 400,000 dead Ukraine soldiers, but it's likely closer to 500,000. After they get a few more 10's of billions they'll admit a new number. It's not even like the Russians are supermen, it's just the area the Ukrainians are assaulting is minefield and lowground. Any time 2-3 Ukrainians group up, they get picked-up by drone or satellite and auto-artilleried. If you're lucky it's just perma hearing loss and some scars, but it seems it's more likely limb loss and/or death. The Russian artillery outranges the NATO stuff (older gen) by 30-40% and they have air superiority.
The whole fucking thing is retarded anyhow. The region the Russians are squatting on voted to leave Ukraine years ago. So it's not even a true 'We gotta save them!" kinda thing. As, they don't even want to be Ukrainian, especially after the Azov killed 14,000 of them since 2014.
And there is a greater shadow conflict in play. It's two different groups of globalist oligarchs trying to quagmire and waste each other's resources and attention. But, at the end of the day they'd join forces to shit on regular people if it came down to it. The choices the two different groups offer you are: Be a welfare drone in a multicultural NPC farm (the West), or be a low-skill laborer in a robber barony (the East).
They were openly doing so before lol
I think they know that if they kill Trump it’s civil war.
You have more faith in people than I do. I think most MAGA Americans would just roll over and take it.
Also, even if I'm wrong that probably wouldn't stop them.
Nah it only takes one mishap for the boiling tensions to go over. Trump being convicted much less killed could do the job
So you do not see a scenario in which this state warfare continues and blossom into a cold war with more fronts?
The elites usually need plausible deniability of support. That's where the lugenprese comes in.
Especially the US. The last formal declaration of war was by Roosevelt in 1941.
I think it rather more likely that after being forced to surrender, the Ukraine basically becomes the white Al Qaeda.
One that is cheered by the West/NATO as the "Rebel Alliance".
Jeez, that's so cringe I feel wrong just for writing it.
The ultimate outcome will be many dead Slavs and a weakened Eastern Europe unfortunately. It doesn't matter which side "wins" - they still lose.
What should happen is a cease fire is announced and Ukraine concedes the two eastern most states plus crimea.
What will happen is that as long as the US pisses money into Ukraine, Zelensky will continue sending the population into the meat grinder.
That little troll is sacrificing hundreds of thousands of lives for the grift.
He's sacrificing goyim cattle to create more settlement space for his people.
Well there is so much propaganda flying around from both sides that it makes it hard to have a clear picture, but based on how desperate Zelensky keeps appearing, it doesn't seem like it's going very well for them.
Either way, this end result is going to be a pointless bloody waste of lives that only served to keep corrupt politicians and defense contractors rich.
Zelensky is a jew actor puppet who's done a great job sending half of Ukrainian men into the meat grinder. He's not desperate it's all gone according to plan.
I don't like to comment on the actual state of the war, for the most part. I'll point out when the propaganda about this being a war of genocide is disproven by their own civilian casualty estimates that are more in line with a "hearts and minds" war against a nation of similar area and population like the Iraq War, but I don't have any trustworthy sources to say who is winning. I feel like splitting the country into pro-EU West Ukraine and pro-Russia East Ukraine is the best remaining outcome, but maybe failing to do that nine years ago means it's already too late.
I'm not sure what Russian strategy was re the column to Kiev but it was pretty obvious that they wanted Crimea and Donbass, and have been occupying it since day 1 plus some additional territory but it's hard to tell exactly where.
It'll grind down into a stalemate and a hastily signed peace agreement along basically the same territory that exists now with some bullshit posturing.
Two options:
Russia keeps the areas of eastern Ukraine that were "colonized" with pro-Russian populations
Full on nuclear WWIII
It’ll be like Vietnam or the Korean War. Permanent emplacements on both sides and a permeant money sink.
In short: Blowback.
The Donbass region is under Russian control, so is Crimea, and so is most of the Black Sea coast; which is geo-politically valuable to Russia from a naval standpoint.
However, the current Ukrainian regime will continue to be considered dictatorial and corrupt by most Ukrainians, even the western ones. It's pretty bad when the rest of Eastern Europe thinks your too corrupt. However, installing a pro-Russian puppet state will not be possible due to western Ukrainian animosity.
Unfortunately, we're going to get the worst possible outcome. The Uranian National Socialists will be seen as independent enough not to be American vassals, and be aggressive enough to not be Russian vassals. Honestly, I expect it to turn into something a bit more antagonistic than Francoist Spain or the Neuvo State in Portugal, after all, they're Nazis, not Fascists.
There will probably end up being a National Socialist overthrow of the corrupt American vassal regime, and it will send Russia into a panic. However, they won't be able to be as aggressive as their former German counter parts, so a war won't be very likely early on. Instead, they'll probably just solidify control, expand the military, and wage limited scale proxy wars or create contractors for hire. Sure, they'll probably kill a hundred thousand people within their own borders, but the Americans might just decide to look the other way to keep some influence in the country and to use them as an ally against Russia.
Now, if the GAE collapses in the coming years, it will be a bigger concern for Germany, Poland, and Greece to deal with; and they'd probably be more willing to make deals with the Nazis to keep the Russians off their backs.
If, on the other hand, the GAE collapses and we decide to become closer to Russia in order to keep the Chinese off balance, then we might end up having to have a Russian, German, American invasion of Ukraine to remove the regime.
No matter what happens, we completely fucked the dog on this one, and we've ensured the deaths of at least 100,000 more people; it just depends on who's people are going to die.
And just to be clear: it's 100% our fault.
I expect some sort of unstable ceasefire will come eventually (US election time?) with Russia getting Crimea and some of Eastern Ukraine as they wanted. After elections Ukraine will probably try again to retake lost territory, but the blender that is Ukraine's military will likely end any hope of real success on their part. To my knowledge Russia just wants Sevastopol, and Crimea can be turned into a fortress given enough time.
There will be a war fought by robots and men guarding the sides. Both will claim victories and hide their defeats. Meanwhile trade will open up for Russia in the areas they want. The war will be pure show for years, and then forgotten as China falls apart and enters civil war again.
No matter how things play out between the active participants, it's going to continue being used in a clearly blatant 1984-styled plot as a pure propaganda tool for probably another decade or two in Western nations/NATO countries (IE Oceania).
Bankers will get rich. Ukrainian culture will be replaced by globohomo. Why? Because that has always been the plan by both sides.
Resolved? That would entail the war ending.
Nothing ever ends until EVERY jew is gone
Russia will give back parts of Eastern Ukraine and keep the whole of Crimea in a ''ceasefire agreement''.
Mainstream media will pretend ''Ukraine is in the process of winning'' and then stop talking about it to focus on Orange man, who is bad, untill the election. A few weeks will be dedicated to funneling several more billions to Israel again.
This is the one thing I’m certain will not happen.
My prediction from the first week of the war remains. It will be end of both countries. Pre-war both of them had catastrophically low birth rates and now their prime demographics are either being killed or fleeing.
It will take literally a century to de-mine ukraine. The nova kakhovka damn will probably never be rebuilt. Agriculture will never return to pre-war levels. Assuming things stabilize after the war, who is going to jump up and move to ukraine? Who is going to start a business there that isn't some grift or money laundering?
Similarly, who is going to want to deal with russia? Who is going to build their business around supply lines that could be cut off for their next war? Who is going to lease them airplanes when they've shown they'll just take them? Who is going to have diplomatic when they've used diplomacy as a cover for assassination? Forget about the rest of the world then, who is going to do anything inside russia? Who is going to buy anything or build anything, who is going to settle all this conquered territory - they have no fucking people and no babies. The only people breeding in russia are mongols and islamists, but on their news it's constantly "muh ethnic russian manifest destiny, we will nuke you" fucking retards.
The agricultural impact is probably going to fuck up at least one middle eastern country in the coming year or two. They're desert countries that import food and they have top heavy hierarchies that will topple over the minute someone doesn't have bread on the table.
Putin had supreme authority, huge amounts of money, all the land and resources anyone could ever want. He could have built anything. Railroads, cities, bridges, fucking pyramids - anything. Instead he wanted to steal the success of his brothers and build a statue of himself as the new great war hero. But you can't steal a civilization, you can only destroy it. I hope china is taking notes.
Negotiated settlement with the contested areas joining Russia per popular sovereignty. People who feel like they're Ukies there can GTFO to the only place anyone cares: Kiev.
Stalemate. Russia is happy with the current situation knowing Ukraine will run out of men and material eventually. Ukraine is forced to have "offensives" if they want to keep international support. But they also know they will run out of men.
So it will be something small here and there, lots of material wasted (less so than men) to keep the grift running.
Only larger political changes will have any effect. Zelensky dying (or reelection?). Putin dying. Trump being reelected and stopping US support. Maybe another war somewhere in the world (China?).
east and west ukraine, the dissolution of nato, prosecution and execution of many politicians for corruption and treason.
And leave Ukraine to attack the russian speaking people in those regions?
This. I don't see a dmz style agreement being possible at this point. The Minsk agreements were publicly revealed to be a fake out to buy time to arm Ukraine so I don't blame them for possibly seeing any similar agreement not being trustworthy. I think the Russians will probably have to go all the way at this point because any agreement will just be a way for the west to funnel arms in and attack the breakaway regions. It might of been possible before NATO made this a full proxy war but not anymore.
The age of America cutting international deals is over. No one trusts America anymore, no one has faith in the weaponized fiat US dollar anymore.
Russia isn’t giving back shit lol