Rape is evil, and it is a bit reductive to say it's "a single, brief event, possibly only lasting minutes", since trauma is legitimately a thing and people process that differently.
But that goes hand in hand with the alternative posed here. It's traumatic to be betrayed, harmed and taken advantage of. It's also traumatic to be abandoned by the supposed justice systems that are meant to protect the innocent.
And I think this is the issue people have here. They are so used to and ingrained with the idea of Good vs Evil, that any supposed lesser evil is somehow a statement that it's actually not evil at all and is actually good. And that's simply not true. These are two very clear evils, and some people cannot process the idea that saying "this one does more harm" is not a statement in defence of the other.
Binary thinking and false dichotomies have been a disaster for people who think themselves smart but only ever repeat the status quo.
It's funny. These people will hem and haw about how everything is a shade of gray and nobody is really good or evil until someone allegedly does something that they don't like. Then suddenly they have moral standards again. Go figure.
In hindsight rape might be the lesser of two evils, but it's asinine to dismiss the lasting effects it has on a person's mind just because it lasts only for a couple minutes (usually). So I think this is a heavy contribution why he got dunked on so hard in the replies.
Yeah, male rape victims oftentimes commit suicide because they feel their entire identity as man has been forcibly taken from them, and -- for some victims -- it's impossible for them to reconcile that loss of identity, hence why so many male rape victims (46%) attempt suicide:
The only annoying thing, since I muted immediately & have read none of the hundreds of seething replies, is all the haters swarming my profile making hater comments on totally unrelated posts. I've had to use a combination of blocks & "only people you follow can reply" on them.
I just realized I can bait them all with a stickied taunt to honey trap them, so I'll do that now. lol.
This statement minimizes the profound psychological impact of rape. It can lead to enduring trauma: depression, PTSD, flashbacks, self-harm, and more. It's crucial to recognize and support survivors, acknowledging the gravity of their experience.
I find that that mindset is behind a lot of the... interesting statements these people make. Men don't really exist to them. It's an extension of the "men act, women are" mindset they claim is some patriarchal oppression despite using it as a weapon themselves.
I like how that community note implies that 10 years of prison for a crime you did not commit does NOT lead to enduring trauma, depression, PTSD, self-harm, or more.
lol, in case you dont already know, this site has been infiltrated by Redditors including reddit-like mods. It was a good run while it lasted but this is the same as reddit from 2012 or so
I feel like I need to play a little devil's advocate. 5 minutes of rape is a bit disingenuous. It's a lot more than that psychologically. Often times it fucks with you for the rest of your life. Not saying the other option is a better alternative, but this was worded in a very biased way.
Yea, but getting saliva sodomized by a massive, herped-up cock, while intermittently having your face slammed into the floor between choking isn’t really just, “uhhh…I can’t wait until this unwanted dicking is over. I wish he would just hurry up and cum so I can go cry in the shower.”
There’s quite a lot of seriously brutal rape cases where the woman couldn’t shit correctly ever again, or needed her insides sewn back in, or lost her ability to have kids, or had her bones cracked by fists, or had a train run on her while she’s growing drier by the thrust. It’s not like all rape is just some awkward College encounter where the girl decides she wasn’t enthusiastic about it, therefore it must be rape.
That said, yea, false accusations are evil as fuck.
Having your eye gouged out or your hand/foot crushed? That mutilates you for life. You can never get over that.
Actually, research shows that subjective happiness levels are no different for people who become invalids after the initial shock.
The truth is that how traumatizing something is, isn't necessarily how much of an effect it has on your life. If you live in Chicago and witness shootings all the time, and are awakened by shootings, then that will have a very negative effect on your life - even if nothing happens to you. Many people who serve in the military leave with PTSD, because of the constant fear of sudden death and seeing their comrades blown to pieces.
You don't just get to ignore 80% of the human experience.
I've met lots of girls with rape fantasies.
And no one who actually wants to be raped.
Post about the war instead, that's where you have valuable input.
fuck off with that bullshit. you lose actual function for life.
by your same dumbass logic, I'm sure:
subjective happiness levels are no different for people who GOT RAPED after the initial shock.
difference is the rape victim still has full physical function & no lasting evidence of the rape outside of their memories.
Post about the war instead, that's where you have valuable input.
I couldn't give less of a fuck about your dumbass opinion as to which of my input is valuable. It's not like anyone respects you or thinks you're intelligent.
fuck off with that bullshit. you lose actual function for life.
Are you telling me that you would rather be anally violated by a man who might well have AIDS than losing a finger?
Don't be absolutely ridiculous. Your Ukraine support is cringe enough, my friend.
no lasting evidence of the rape outside of their memories.
Your whole life is a 'memory'.
I couldn't give less of a fuck about your dumbass opinion as to which of my input is valuable. It's not like anyone respects you or thinks you're intelligent.
Average is gonna be a weird statistic there, since a few of the prisoners get raped all the time. Median would be similarly unuseful. Clearly there are some prisoners doing the raping, and frankly I don't think there's a lot of overlap. I think most guys don't get raped at all. But the vulnerable ones a lot.
It depends. You're giving the best possible type of rape: a short, low-violence, non-consensual sexual encounter; or encounter that is coerced in some nature.
Now, take a look at the Pakistani Grooming Gangs in the UK. Children were being treated as sex slaves and 'child prostitutes' for years on end. And after all that the children were treated as racial and religious inferiors, while being lambasted by government institutions.
Rape can also destroy your life, cost you your job, become unemployable, ruin your reputations, break up your family, and get you locked in prison if stuff goes awry. Especially if it is particularly violent, or protected by law enforcement, socially acceptable, or done to children which leave long lasting damage.
Rape can also be done violently by an abusive boyfriend, or under threat of the above by coercive effort, or be combined with confinement and torture. Even in the best case, it does often cause serious psychological trauma.
This is why we consider rape to be "grievous bodily harm", justifying lethal force in order to prevent it from happening.
You can stand there and say that's not the case because women are just valued; but there is no sex distinction in the event that the victim is a man. Lethal force is just as necessary. A co-worker of mine was male, was actually raped on his way back from work. The 3 men that attacked, beat him violently, kidnapped him a short distance, raped him, then sodomized him with a crowbar, and proceeded to bludgeon him within an inch of his life, and left him to die. He was discovered barely alive the following morning unable to call for help by a local. Legally, we understand that lethal force is absolutely required to stop such an extreme attack, and it is not often done just because someone is horny, but as a way of brutalizing and degrading a victim to the most extreme possible extent.
Your creation of a false dichotomy is, frankly, unhelpful. The worst version of something terrible, being compared to the best version of something terrible, is a dishonest contrast.
Especially if it is particularly violent, or protected by law enforcement, socially acceptable, or done to children which leave long lasting damage.
The 3 men that attacked, beat him violently, kidnapped him a short distance, raped him, then sodomized him with a crowbar, and proceeded to bludgeon him within an inch of his life, and left him to die.
Well sure, but you're also adding plenty of crimes other than rape in that too. That's not just rape anymore, it's brutal assault + pedophilia + kidnapping + murder attempt. Remove the rape part in your example, and anyone would still be scared for life after such an event.
Sure 5 minutes of rape is "very optimistic", but even if it's longer, if it's "just" rape and nothing else, it would still be the better choice.
Since when is it "just rape"? At any police stop, the chance you'll get charged with one crime is pretty remote, because criminal acts come in piles because that's how criminal behavior works. If you're going to break the law, you're not going to regard each law, you're going to disregard all of them.
A false allegation is not one thing either. It's a false police report, it's slander, it's libel, it's perjury, it's doctored evidence, it's conspiracy, it's fraud.
This is a false dichotomy to get the result OP likes, and it's silly.
The rape I posited is by far the most common type.
The vast majority of rape is the "date rape" variety without violence, from someone the woman knows.
You ranting on & on about extreme outlier cases with extreme aggravation really isn't relevant at all to the point I was making, & is a dishonest attempt by you to change the subject.
I didn't change the subject, you made a false dichotomy.
Your very statement is also extreme:
If you had your life destroyed, lost your job, became unemployable, reputation ruined, family gone, wrongly sentenced to 10 years in prison...
This, in and of itself, is a rare outcome. Many of the very same worst case scenario rape allegations that we've seen (like that baseball player), don't end up with 10 years in prison and the collapse of his career, and the abandonment of family.
That's true; that's the upshot of the massive increase in rape reporting. If it happened, they didn't used to report it. If it didn't happen, they didn't used to report it. Now, they report it all the time. I dont' know what if anything changed.
We now get more reports of this kind of violence, but I assume it's much the same as it always was.
As with a lot of violent crime; it probably went down. However, you do have to wonder if the instances of prison rape skewed statistics.
Even with reported rapes, I think the numbers are still down overall. I've seen NYC's rate of rapes, and it was still significantly worse in the 1970's.
I don't think prison rape gets reported usually. They don't prosecute people for what happens in there if they can get away with looking the other way. That's the internal code vs what society thinks they're supposed to do.
Want to know another truth for another topic? Rape only has nasty psychological impacts because we as a society tell women they should have nasty psychological impacts from it. A lot of women don't even know they've been raped until they're told by society that their "experience" was indeed rape. Then they have a meltdown. Until the women are told they're supposed to have a meltdown, most don't. If we stopped promoting a victim culture around rape the psychological impacts to women from "rape" would be significantly less. Women only play up being the victim because they gain advantage in society by doing so. Remove that advantage and women will get over the rape and move on.
Note, I'm not talking about violent rape where the woman is barely alive afterward. I'm talking about the guy was pushy at the frat party kind of rape.
It's even true for basic sexual harassment. Less than a hundred years ago if you slapped a woman on the ass she'd either slap you in the face or wink at you, depending on if she thought you were in her league or not. That would be the end of it. After decades of conditioning everyone to feel bad about what happened, we've now created microaggressions where women have to take days off work because their male coworker looked at them in the wrong way.
A guy being pushy at a frat party is not rape. Just don't let leftist idiots dictate the meaning of words. I know they like doing it, but they're still wrong abut it. Just don't entertain their ideas.
Oh no, you're back with your pseudo-intellectual babbling and strange desire to need external validation from a bunch of nutters on an internet forum (of which I am one, after all, I'm here).
I have to ask - would you feel the same if it was your wife or child who was raped? It doesn't ruin their life according to you, so they should be able to just get over it right?
There have been numerous studies on the long term psychological effects of rape, showing that it can lead to PTSD, depression, substance abuse and even suicide in the worst cases.
If you had argued that people who falsely accuse of rape should have the same penalties as those convicted, because both have the potential to destroy lives, I'd agree.
But your take here seems to be so lacking in empathy as to be borderline sociopathic...
A. get roofied & sexually assaulted in their sleep, which is rape. or you can even allow them to be conscious but accept that the vast majority of rape is non-violent & done in the date rape context.
OR
B. 10 years prison. Lifetime sex offender registration. Unemployable. Hated by society. Loss of reputation. No future. Pushed down into poverty & held there. Treated like dirt by everyone they meet either out of animus or just because the person knows she lacks the protection of society. & all this FOR LIFE
Yeah bro, B is a lot worse than A.
She could get over A. There is no getting over B.
But your take here seems to be so lacking in empathy
Nah, that's your projection. That's an irrational emotional response you're projecting onto me. It doesn't exist. It's all in your head.
being falsely accused of being a rapist is being raped over and over and over again. literally every interaction you have with people means that they will treat you badly. family, friends, job.. all will treat you badly.
Yeah, male rape victims oftentimes commit suicide because they feel their entire identity as man has been forcibly taken from them, and -- for some victims -- it's impossible for them to reconcile that loss of identity, hence why so many male rape victims (46%) attempt suicide:
Rape against men tend to fall into the two following scenarios: the man becomes so intoxicated that he doesn’t know what’s going on or can resist, or the man is forceably attacked. The former scenario is where women are the perps but men can be the perps too. I’ve had cases with an intoxicated male victim and a male perp. The latter scenario is almost always a male perpetrator.
You choosing death is the cowards way out. You can't support your friends, family and community anymore. That is weakness. You are putting your pride before all that.
Pride isn't a dirty word. This country ran on pride. You had people dueling over insults to themselves and their wives. Meanwhile you wouldn't die to stop your wife getting taken.
People are social. It's bigger than yourself. The guys at the Alamo would've probably lived if they surrendered, but they were victorious in death.
Is there anyone here who would pick getting raped over something?
Raped vs murdered?
Raped vs your dick cut off or your eyes gouged out or your arms cut of...
Basically every situation of "not only possibly psychological damage, but permanent physical damage as well". Cause rape is only possible psychological damage.
Rape is far from the worst thing you can do to another human. It's just portrayed by society that it is the worst thing. Sometimes even worse than murdered.
I think instead if trying to pit two things against each other's we can acknowledge both suck in their own way
Rape victims have gotten AIDS or other diseases, pregnant by their rapist, made infertile. And those are only the tangible things. Many intangibles. Not all, but it is possible.
I'd say this. If you falsely accuse someone, your punishment should be whatever the punishment for a legit rape would have been. Plus reimbursement for all legal fees.
Also, I'm surprised a law has not been passed to prohibit employers from taking punitive action before there's been a conviction. Maybe it should be.
I can respect people who can move past a traumatic event like rape comfortably, but I know that for me an event like that would completely destroy me. It's close, but I'd still choose prison pretty much every time.
This is just proof that "rape" as a concept only really exists for society through the feminist frame.
Men getting raped? Nobody cares.
Women who are mostly to blame for their rape? Oh no, we can't "blame the victim".
Story time:
At least on 2-5 occasions in my dating life, crazy bitches tried to set me up to rape them.
On 2 occasions, the woman brought me to the point of penetrating her, then suddenly told me to stop. Literally with my dick out, hard, inches from her wet, ready, and waiting pussy. After we had just been making out & engaging in other sexual foreplay.
In both cases, it was purely because the woman was crazy & liked to play weird power games. She knew exactly what she was doing & she knew exactly the position she was putting me in. In all likelihood, all 3 of these women had been raped in the past & this was some sick attempt to re-live & replay that scene in an attempt to change the outcome. This is a known crazy chick thing.
In both cases, I obviously stopped. In 1 case I literally threw the bitch off of my bed, frog marched her to my front door, & shoved her outside with her tits still out, throwing her phone after her & slamming the door.
In both cases, these women were basically begging to get raped. I would not greatly fault any man who lacked the self control to stop. While I stopped, I was super bitter & angry about getting fucked with in that way.
In the other cases, the women came home with me after a date, made out, got in bed with me, removed some clothing, allowed sexual contact up to a point, then stopped me when it came time to actually fuck, but they didn't wait until I was inches away, they stopped me some time earlier such as my taking their panties off.
People think rape is something that happens primarily to innocent women when a dude jumps out of a tree. No. That's incredibly rare. The typical rape case is a crazy woman who puts herself in the situation by repeatedly confirming consent, then "he said, she said" withdrawing it at the last minute. The guy says she consented, the girl said she changed her mind. It's impossible to know who is telling the truth. That is most rape cases. And yes, 40%+ of these claims of rape are false & driven by regret.
i would believe it. part and parcel of feminism to emulate the worst behaviors of men, like casual sex. Only women generally dont enjoy it and cannot compartmentalize sex the way men on average can do. As you say, regret is considered rape, because again, women have zero accountability.
I remember an article, its probably long deleted now, about a year long data report from some hospital group in England that stated all of the women who were admitted for self reported "roofied" aka "date rape drugged" were found to just have drank too much and/or mixed drinking with party drugs: weed/coke/X/etc. An entire year long study and NOT A SINGLE ONE was drugged.
You are beaten unconscious, anally raped so hard that your sphincter is destroyed and you have to use a colostomy bag for the rest of your life, and you contract HIV.
You spend 10 years in a minimum security prison camp that has trades available like fire fighting and custom leather making.
You're talking about a prolonged violent assault & battery that has a small rape component.
Is rape such a weak thing that you have to add a ton of extra shit to it to try to make it seem bad?
Also anyone going to prison (falsely) for rape is going to be classified as a sex offender, so they will never be able to qualify for minimum security or any benefits. sex offenders & violent offenders are both excluded from all such programs as a rule.
I think you're going way too far overboard, especially when comparing it to 'getting a finger cut off'.
I'm not even sure your hypothetical is correct. Like someone else here said, if you agree to the genie, that's not rape. Rape is something that occurs unexpected in a way that makes victims never feel safe and give them PTSD.
If you think that there is too much focus on rape because women are mostly the victim, you may want to consider that you go the other way for the same reason.
Coercion is rape. "10 years in prison or you get raped" is still rape, because you would not have agreed to the sex without the 10 years over your head.
Also you're adding your own wrong assumptions into it.
The genie could spawn someone really ugly you'd never consent to to carry it out. Still rape.
The genie could spawn someone really ugly you'd never consent to to carry it out. Still rape.
Dude, it's not about pretty or ugly. You clearly lack any sort of understanding. Maybe legally it's the same, but from an experiential standpoint, it's vastly different to be randomly jumped in the street, or be assaulted by a date, than it is to have sex with someone who is 'ugly' to stay out of jail, or because he's rich.
Obviously it's different if some slut offers to fuck a cop to get out of trouble. That's not rape because the cop didn't try to make it happen, the girl did.
Honestly I started to type out an explanation of coercion to you, but I'd rather just call you stupid, because you are. And you say I lack understanding? LOL.
"have your life destroyed or get raped"
is rape.
"but but but it's not rape because you agreed to it!" is FUCKING STUPID.
if I put a gun to your fucking head & tell you to suck a dick or a blow your brains out, your dumbass logic would say "oh it's not rape, because I agreed to it".
Obviously it's different if some slut offers to fuck a cop to get out of trouble. That's not rape because the cop didn't try to make it happen, the girl did.
But if the cop offers it before the girl does, it's rape? Like I said, it may fit the legal definition, but it's clearly in a completely different category than rape as conventionally understood, and that goes for the physical and mental consequences as well.
I'd rather just call you stupid, because you are.
You are sperging even more than usual. Is that 'Ukrainien counteroffensive' wearing on you? Or perhaps McCarthy's ouster?
if I put a gun to your fucking head & tell you to suck a dick or a blow your brains out, your dumbass logic would say "oh it's not rape, because I agreed to it".
Someone, despite being a lawyer, doesn't understand the concept of PER VIM.
Rape is evil, and it is a bit reductive to say it's "a single, brief event, possibly only lasting minutes", since trauma is legitimately a thing and people process that differently.
But that goes hand in hand with the alternative posed here. It's traumatic to be betrayed, harmed and taken advantage of. It's also traumatic to be abandoned by the supposed justice systems that are meant to protect the innocent.
And I think this is the issue people have here. They are so used to and ingrained with the idea of Good vs Evil, that any supposed lesser evil is somehow a statement that it's actually not evil at all and is actually good. And that's simply not true. These are two very clear evils, and some people cannot process the idea that saying "this one does more harm" is not a statement in defence of the other.
Binary thinking and false dichotomies have been a disaster for people who think themselves smart but only ever repeat the status quo.
It's funny. These people will hem and haw about how everything is a shade of gray and nobody is really good or evil until someone allegedly does something that they don't like. Then suddenly they have moral standards again. Go figure.
Standards for thee, not for me.
Well it's a problematic topic because you can't force empathatic-behavior by subjecting them to it.
If girls could accuse other girls of rape as easily they can guys, this narrative would never get off the ground.
Yeah, male rape victims oftentimes commit suicide because they feel their entire identity as man has been forcibly taken from them, and -- for some victims -- it's impossible for them to reconcile that loss of identity, hence why so many male rape victims (46%) attempt suicide:
https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/self-reported-health-and-behavioral-problems-among-adolescent
https://safeline.org.uk/be-informed/information-resources/male-specific-services-to-meet-male-survivor-needs/
When feminists complain about rape they mean a woman who got drunk and fucked a guy who never called her again.
When a white woman is gang-raped into a coma by blacks, feminists are always the first to say she's a lying slut who was asking for it.
Feelings should not dictate the punishment because they are ultimately nebulous in all dimensions while the punishment based on them is permanent.
I never suggested that they should?
The only annoying thing, since I muted immediately & have read none of the hundreds of seething replies, is all the haters swarming my profile making hater comments on totally unrelated posts. I've had to use a combination of blocks & "only people you follow can reply" on them.
I just realized I can bait them all with a stickied taunt to honey trap them, so I'll do that now. lol.
I have now been COMMUNITY NOTED 🤡
Good thing wrongful imprisonment has no psychological effects whatsoever.
"Men don't have full theory of mind, there's no inner world to harm" - literally a redditor I read once
Some people desperately want their opponents to be cattle, to justify their preferred treatment of them...
I find that that mindset is behind a lot of the... interesting statements these people make. Men don't really exist to them. It's an extension of the "men act, women are" mindset they claim is some patriarchal oppression despite using it as a weapon themselves.
I like how that community note implies that 10 years of prison for a crime you did not commit does NOT lead to enduring trauma, depression, PTSD, self-harm, or more.
It looks like it was written by fucking commie AI. "Minimizes... It is important... it's crucial..." I hate this timeline.
Sounds suspiciously like all the faggot AIs when they turn on you about something.
Also 10 years in prison will probably result in some rape as well
Now, let's discuss what the most popular sexual fantasy women have...
What did you expect in a gynocracy?
lol, in case you dont already know, this site has been infiltrated by Redditors including reddit-like mods. It was a good run while it lasted but this is the same as reddit from 2012 or so
It's still under duress, though.
So, going by what lot of women say, it still qualifies.
The genie is reversing time. The "you" that gets raped isn't necessarily aware of the alternate timeline, or that a deal was made at all.
It 100% is rape because you were coerced with the alternative.
It is transactional. Lean into being a whore.
I feel like I need to play a little devil's advocate. 5 minutes of rape is a bit disingenuous. It's a lot more than that psychologically. Often times it fucks with you for the rest of your life. Not saying the other option is a better alternative, but this was worded in a very biased way.
That's entirely in your control.
We have all had bad, traumatic things happen to us in life.
Society treats rape like it is uniquely soul-destroying because people are bored losers who like to fantasize about trauma.
Same with how people think "solitary confinement" is some soul destroying experience that drives people insane when it's no big deal at all.
Having your eye gouged out or your hand/foot crushed? That mutilates you for life. You can never get over that.
Getting your naughty bits violated for a bit? That's on you to get over it. Is it worse than a punch in the face? It depends on the punch.
I've met lots of girls with rape fantasies.
I've never met anyone who had a fantasy to get punched in the face.
Yea, but getting saliva sodomized by a massive, herped-up cock, while intermittently having your face slammed into the floor between choking isn’t really just, “uhhh…I can’t wait until this unwanted dicking is over. I wish he would just hurry up and cum so I can go cry in the shower.”
There’s quite a lot of seriously brutal rape cases where the woman couldn’t shit correctly ever again, or needed her insides sewn back in, or lost her ability to have kids, or had her bones cracked by fists, or had a train run on her while she’s growing drier by the thrust. It’s not like all rape is just some awkward College encounter where the girl decides she wasn’t enthusiastic about it, therefore it must be rape.
That said, yea, false accusations are evil as fuck.
counterpoint: "ballbusting" it's a fetish. (not mine)
Actually, research shows that subjective happiness levels are no different for people who become invalids after the initial shock.
The truth is that how traumatizing something is, isn't necessarily how much of an effect it has on your life. If you live in Chicago and witness shootings all the time, and are awakened by shootings, then that will have a very negative effect on your life - even if nothing happens to you. Many people who serve in the military leave with PTSD, because of the constant fear of sudden death and seeing their comrades blown to pieces.
You don't just get to ignore 80% of the human experience.
And no one who actually wants to be raped.
Post about the war instead, that's where you have valuable input.
fuck off with that bullshit. you lose actual function for life.
by your same dumbass logic, I'm sure:
difference is the rape victim still has full physical function & no lasting evidence of the rape outside of their memories.
I couldn't give less of a fuck about your dumbass opinion as to which of my input is valuable. It's not like anyone respects you or thinks you're intelligent.
Are you telling me that you would rather be anally violated by a man who might well have AIDS than losing a finger?
Don't be absolutely ridiculous. Your Ukraine support is cringe enough, my friend.
Your whole life is a 'memory'.
So bitchy.
How much rape does the average person endure in 10 years of prison?
Average is gonna be a weird statistic there, since a few of the prisoners get raped all the time. Median would be similarly unuseful. Clearly there are some prisoners doing the raping, and frankly I don't think there's a lot of overlap. I think most guys don't get raped at all. But the vulnerable ones a lot.
You're the biased on here.
Notice how you used the words "often times" and not "guaranteed always". You wrongly assume all women are fragile.
And you wrongly assume all of them are not. And fragility is not the point. Not all rapes are equal.
edit: also, the universe is a wild thing. I JUST beat Death Stranding recently and of all words you go for.. God that was a dumb slogan.
You might get more then 5 minutes of rape in prison if you're prone to getting raped.
If you're not, why would you be getting raped?
It depends. You're giving the best possible type of rape: a short, low-violence, non-consensual sexual encounter; or encounter that is coerced in some nature.
Now, take a look at the Pakistani Grooming Gangs in the UK. Children were being treated as sex slaves and 'child prostitutes' for years on end. And after all that the children were treated as racial and religious inferiors, while being lambasted by government institutions.
Rape can also destroy your life, cost you your job, become unemployable, ruin your reputations, break up your family, and get you locked in prison if stuff goes awry. Especially if it is particularly violent, or protected by law enforcement, socially acceptable, or done to children which leave long lasting damage.
Rape can also be done violently by an abusive boyfriend, or under threat of the above by coercive effort, or be combined with confinement and torture. Even in the best case, it does often cause serious psychological trauma.
This is why we consider rape to be "grievous bodily harm", justifying lethal force in order to prevent it from happening.
You can stand there and say that's not the case because women are just valued; but there is no sex distinction in the event that the victim is a man. Lethal force is just as necessary. A co-worker of mine was male, was actually raped on his way back from work. The 3 men that attacked, beat him violently, kidnapped him a short distance, raped him, then sodomized him with a crowbar, and proceeded to bludgeon him within an inch of his life, and left him to die. He was discovered barely alive the following morning unable to call for help by a local. Legally, we understand that lethal force is absolutely required to stop such an extreme attack, and it is not often done just because someone is horny, but as a way of brutalizing and degrading a victim to the most extreme possible extent.
Your creation of a false dichotomy is, frankly, unhelpful. The worst version of something terrible, being compared to the best version of something terrible, is a dishonest contrast.
Well sure, but you're also adding plenty of crimes other than rape in that too. That's not just rape anymore, it's brutal assault + pedophilia + kidnapping + murder attempt. Remove the rape part in your example, and anyone would still be scared for life after such an event.
Sure 5 minutes of rape is "very optimistic", but even if it's longer, if it's "just" rape and nothing else, it would still be the better choice.
Since when is it "just rape"? At any police stop, the chance you'll get charged with one crime is pretty remote, because criminal acts come in piles because that's how criminal behavior works. If you're going to break the law, you're not going to regard each law, you're going to disregard all of them.
A false allegation is not one thing either. It's a false police report, it's slander, it's libel, it's perjury, it's doctored evidence, it's conspiracy, it's fraud.
This is a false dichotomy to get the result OP likes, and it's silly.
The rape I posited is by far the most common type.
The vast majority of rape is the "date rape" variety without violence, from someone the woman knows.
You ranting on & on about extreme outlier cases with extreme aggravation really isn't relevant at all to the point I was making, & is a dishonest attempt by you to change the subject.
I didn't change the subject, you made a false dichotomy.
Your very statement is also extreme:
This, in and of itself, is a rare outcome. Many of the very same worst case scenario rape allegations that we've seen (like that baseball player), don't end up with 10 years in prison and the collapse of his career, and the abandonment of family.
Stop trying to blame me for what you're doing.
I don't care if he's a faggot or not, the comparison still stands.
That's true; that's the upshot of the massive increase in rape reporting. If it happened, they didn't used to report it. If it didn't happen, they didn't used to report it. Now, they report it all the time. I dont' know what if anything changed.
We now get more reports of this kind of violence, but I assume it's much the same as it always was.
As with a lot of violent crime; it probably went down. However, you do have to wonder if the instances of prison rape skewed statistics.
Even with reported rapes, I think the numbers are still down overall. I've seen NYC's rate of rapes, and it was still significantly worse in the 1970's.
I don't think prison rape gets reported usually. They don't prosecute people for what happens in there if they can get away with looking the other way. That's the internal code vs what society thinks they're supposed to do.
They actually prosecute rapes all the time, they just can't prevent them. Sentences just get stacked up.
I've never been raped or murdered but I'm positive that the only fate worse than death is having to live in 🤡 🌎
Want to know another truth for another topic? Rape only has nasty psychological impacts because we as a society tell women they should have nasty psychological impacts from it. A lot of women don't even know they've been raped until they're told by society that their "experience" was indeed rape. Then they have a meltdown. Until the women are told they're supposed to have a meltdown, most don't. If we stopped promoting a victim culture around rape the psychological impacts to women from "rape" would be significantly less. Women only play up being the victim because they gain advantage in society by doing so. Remove that advantage and women will get over the rape and move on.
Note, I'm not talking about violent rape where the woman is barely alive afterward. I'm talking about the guy was pushy at the frat party kind of rape.
It's even true for basic sexual harassment. Less than a hundred years ago if you slapped a woman on the ass she'd either slap you in the face or wink at you, depending on if she thought you were in her league or not. That would be the end of it. After decades of conditioning everyone to feel bad about what happened, we've now created microaggressions where women have to take days off work because their male coworker looked at them in the wrong way.
This is correct. If we stopped making it a big deal, it would stop being one.
A guy being pushy at a frat party is not rape. Just don't let leftist idiots dictate the meaning of words. I know they like doing it, but they're still wrong abut it. Just don't entertain their ideas.
Oh no, you're back with your pseudo-intellectual babbling and strange desire to need external validation from a bunch of nutters on an internet forum (of which I am one, after all, I'm here).
I have to ask - would you feel the same if it was your wife or child who was raped? It doesn't ruin their life according to you, so they should be able to just get over it right?
There have been numerous studies on the long term psychological effects of rape, showing that it can lead to PTSD, depression, substance abuse and even suicide in the worst cases.
If you had argued that people who falsely accuse of rape should have the same penalties as those convicted, because both have the potential to destroy lives, I'd agree.
But your take here seems to be so lacking in empathy as to be borderline sociopathic...
Would you rather your wife or child:
A. get roofied & sexually assaulted in their sleep, which is rape. or you can even allow them to be conscious but accept that the vast majority of rape is non-violent & done in the date rape context.
OR
B. 10 years prison. Lifetime sex offender registration. Unemployable. Hated by society. Loss of reputation. No future. Pushed down into poverty & held there. Treated like dirt by everyone they meet either out of animus or just because the person knows she lacks the protection of society. & all this FOR LIFE
Yeah bro, B is a lot worse than A.
She could get over A. There is no getting over B.
Nah, that's your projection. That's an irrational emotional response you're projecting onto me. It doesn't exist. It's all in your head.
being falsely accused of being a rapist is being raped over and over and over again. literally every interaction you have with people means that they will treat you badly. family, friends, job.. all will treat you badly.
yup. it's a rape & violation that never ends, & follows you around for life.
Chief. I would pick pretty much anything over getting raped regardless of who I was.
Is there anyone here who would pick getting raped over something? Curious about your reasoning.
Bruh are you retarded? Of course I would choose getting raped over getting killed or crippled for life.
I know a lot of men who would rather die than be raped, along with a lot of other men who would rather die that be castrated.
Mostly, it comes from aggressive and masculine men.
As u/throwawayaccount2037 points out:
Yeah, male rape victims oftentimes commit suicide because they feel their entire identity as man has been forcibly taken from them, and -- for some victims -- it's impossible for them to reconcile that loss of identity, hence why so many male rape victims (46%) attempt suicide:
https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/self-reported-health-and-behavioral-problems-among-adolescent
https://safeline.org.uk/be-informed/information-resources/male-specific-services-to-meet-male-survivor-needs/
If some dude wanted to rape me and I'd have to die to prevent that from happening, I'd do it. If you want to bend over, you do you.
Imagine being on this board and not realizing that women can also rape, and simultaneously confusing sodomy with rape.
Rape against men tend to fall into the two following scenarios: the man becomes so intoxicated that he doesn’t know what’s going on or can resist, or the man is forceably attacked. The former scenario is where women are the perps but men can be the perps too. I’ve had cases with an intoxicated male victim and a male perp. The latter scenario is almost always a male perpetrator.
That's relevant? Is the question if we'd rather get raped by a Baltic bikini model? Sodomy isn't rape?
Weak faggot thinks his pride means anything in death. Enjoy the void.
Weak? I question your conviction to die for anything if you won't even die to protect your own butthole.
You choosing death is the cowards way out. You can't support your friends, family and community anymore. That is weakness. You are putting your pride before all that.
Pride isn't a dirty word. This country ran on pride. You had people dueling over insults to themselves and their wives. Meanwhile you wouldn't die to stop your wife getting taken.
People are social. It's bigger than yourself. The guys at the Alamo would've probably lived if they surrendered, but they were victorious in death.
Raped vs murdered?
Raped vs your dick cut off or your eyes gouged out or your arms cut of...
Basically every situation of "not only possibly psychological damage, but permanent physical damage as well". Cause rape is only possible psychological damage.
Rape is far from the worst thing you can do to another human. It's just portrayed by society that it is the worst thing. Sometimes even worse than murdered.
There are worse crimes than rape, which is what OP is trying to get at, but his hypothetical gets into all kinds of other stuff.
I'd definitely do 10y, and while it would suck I'm sure I would be fine.
But I'm not a piece of shit. That's the conundrum; why would I be in prison?
If you are in prison for 10yrs and the prisoners think you are in there because you were falsely accused of being a rapist…
The men in the prison will ALL try to rape or kill you. Every day. For 10 years.
It's not that simple. You should probably gang up.
Having experienced both I can say absolutely yes. Ironically enough a Woman demanded I have sex with her or she would say I raped her.
If you're raped you have support and people will defend and help you.
You get none of that in the reverse.
I think instead if trying to pit two things against each other's we can acknowledge both suck in their own way
Rape victims have gotten AIDS or other diseases, pregnant by their rapist, made infertile. And those are only the tangible things. Many intangibles. Not all, but it is possible.
I'd say this. If you falsely accuse someone, your punishment should be whatever the punishment for a legit rape would have been. Plus reimbursement for all legal fees.
Also, I'm surprised a law has not been passed to prohibit employers from taking punitive action before there's been a conviction. Maybe it should be.
Rape = X
Jail = concrete cell captured + X
False accusation = life ruined + Jail
I can’t believe nobody else has pointed this out.
If you are sent to jail with a false accusation of child abuse or some kind of rape- you will also get raped. Often.
And by a man who has a much higher chance of aids or other stds.
Now this is what I call edgy bait posting, and I genuinely hate women.
Based and rapepilled.
If we could harness energy from feminist triggerings, you would just have solved the global energy crisis.
I can respect people who can move past a traumatic event like rape comfortably, but I know that for me an event like that would completely destroy me. It's close, but I'd still choose prison pretty much every time.
Those who chose rape just got genie aids.
men get raped more than women but we are told prison rape is funny or deserved so it doesnt count. odd gynocentric world we live in now
This is just proof that "rape" as a concept only really exists for society through the feminist frame.
Men getting raped? Nobody cares.
Women who are mostly to blame for their rape? Oh no, we can't "blame the victim".
Story time:
People think rape is something that happens primarily to innocent women when a dude jumps out of a tree. No. That's incredibly rare. The typical rape case is a crazy woman who puts herself in the situation by repeatedly confirming consent, then "he said, she said" withdrawing it at the last minute. The guy says she consented, the girl said she changed her mind. It's impossible to know who is telling the truth. That is most rape cases. And yes, 40%+ of these claims of rape are false & driven by regret.
i would believe it. part and parcel of feminism to emulate the worst behaviors of men, like casual sex. Only women generally dont enjoy it and cannot compartmentalize sex the way men on average can do. As you say, regret is considered rape, because again, women have zero accountability.
I remember an article, its probably long deleted now, about a year long data report from some hospital group in England that stated all of the women who were admitted for self reported "roofied" aka "date rape drugged" were found to just have drank too much and/or mixed drinking with party drugs: weed/coke/X/etc. An entire year long study and NOT A SINGLE ONE was drugged.
Women have zero accountability
Let’s slightly modify your proposition.
You are beaten unconscious, anally raped so hard that your sphincter is destroyed and you have to use a colostomy bag for the rest of your life, and you contract HIV.
You spend 10 years in a minimum security prison camp that has trades available like fire fighting and custom leather making.
You're not talking about rape anymore.
You're talking about a prolonged violent assault & battery that has a small rape component.
Is rape such a weak thing that you have to add a ton of extra shit to it to try to make it seem bad?
Also anyone going to prison (falsely) for rape is going to be classified as a sex offender, so they will never be able to qualify for minimum security or any benefits. sex offenders & violent offenders are both excluded from all such programs as a rule.
This is actually interesting but yes I suppose I'd rather get butt raped for 5 minutes than 10 years of prison/life ruined.
If you are sent to prison for 10+years as a rapist….
You will be forcibly raped in the prison.
For 10yrs.
With the power of the state holding you down.
I think you're going way too far overboard, especially when comparing it to 'getting a finger cut off'.
I'm not even sure your hypothetical is correct. Like someone else here said, if you agree to the genie, that's not rape. Rape is something that occurs unexpected in a way that makes victims never feel safe and give them PTSD.
If you think that there is too much focus on rape because women are mostly the victim, you may want to consider that you go the other way for the same reason.
Coercion is rape. "10 years in prison or you get raped" is still rape, because you would not have agreed to the sex without the 10 years over your head.
Also you're adding your own wrong assumptions into it.
The genie could spawn someone really ugly you'd never consent to to carry it out. Still rape.
Dude, it's not about pretty or ugly. You clearly lack any sort of understanding. Maybe legally it's the same, but from an experiential standpoint, it's vastly different to be randomly jumped in the street, or be assaulted by a date, than it is to have sex with someone who is 'ugly' to stay out of jail, or because he's rich.
Obviously it's different if some slut offers to fuck a cop to get out of trouble. That's not rape because the cop didn't try to make it happen, the girl did.
Honestly I started to type out an explanation of coercion to you, but I'd rather just call you stupid, because you are. And you say I lack understanding? LOL.
"have your life destroyed or get raped"
is rape.
"but but but it's not rape because you agreed to it!" is FUCKING STUPID.
if I put a gun to your fucking head & tell you to suck a dick or a blow your brains out, your dumbass logic would say "oh it's not rape, because I agreed to it".
holy shit you're dumb.
But if the cop offers it before the girl does, it's rape? Like I said, it may fit the legal definition, but it's clearly in a completely different category than rape as conventionally understood, and that goes for the physical and mental consequences as well.
You are sperging even more than usual. Is that 'Ukrainien counteroffensive' wearing on you? Or perhaps McCarthy's ouster?
Someone, despite being a lawyer, doesn't understand the concept of PER VIM.