Yeah, this should be but the first step in trying to climb back up the slippery slope straight to Hell that America's been sliding down on since the '60s. At the very least, the pro-life movement should now refocus on a Right-To-Life amendment instead of resting on their laurels while emboldening others on the right with their victory, because assuredly the pro-abort side won't be giving them even a moment for peaceful celebration.
Between the gun decision and this decision in the last two days, you can almost feel the conservative wing of the court trying to pull us back.
The "bipartisan gun bill" that was in the news days before is essentially a dead man walking now -- there's no way Red Flag Laws stand up to the scrutiny of the precedent just set by SCOTUS. Granted, it will take years to get to that point, but the precedent is important.
This decision, much like yesterday's, is decisive. A cultural earthquake just got set off, and the majority didn't mince words. Roe and Casey were mistakes, and egregious ones, at that.
In the big scheme, it's probably a small victory - one that portends much more fighting in even bigger battles, but it gives me hope. The slide can be arrested. We aren't doomed.
Oh yes, this + yesterday's decision on guns has been a whitepill the size of Texas. At the very least it shows that conservatives (social conservatives to be exact) can actually win and conserve something that isn't a fruit of progressivism. I'm in full agreement that this is only one battle in a larger war, but some battles can be decisive and this here is a major victory for the right worth celebrating, even if the victors should not lose focus and prepare to fight for the next objective.
Between the gun decision and this decision in the last two days, you can almost feel the conservative wing of the court trying to pull us back.
Call me a cynic, but apart from consistently sensible justices like Thomas I think the supreme court is owned by the uniparty and has no interest in doing the job it's supposed to. It's probably a two pronged strategy, rile up the lefties to vote in the midterms and throw righties a few bones so they'll become complacent instead of bucking the system, which they were getting close to doing. They'll keep going back and forth like that to keep the clown world status quo shambling along.
But culturally, the pendulum is finally showing signs of swinging back. It's heartening. But leftist clown world has been so extreme that the pendulum might swing to the extreme right, which is not going to be pretty.
The decision was 6-3. I believe the initial leak was 5-4, with Roberts trying to convince the conservative bloc to not be so... definitive in their ruling.
The leak directly led to Roberts being more conservative. It's a white pill.
Bingo. Roberts realized SCOTUS's institutional integrity is shot if the left can pull shit like this to prevent decisions they don't like. I initially thought institutional integrity was just his excuse for cucking out to the left but today's decision is evidence that he genuinely cares about it.
The extreme optimist in me wonders if this is what it took to make Roberts realize that his days as a milquetoast middle ground need to end.
The left will never be sated. As soon as you cross them in any way, it's Schumer's and Garland's assassins at YOUR doorstep. Appeasement will never work. It cannot. I pray Roberts realized it.
Roberts is image conscious. He wants the court to be seen as legitimate and used that as justification for more left-friendly rulings in the past. I wonder if he is aware that this was just making conservatives see the court as even more illegitimate while doing nothing to ingratiate the court for liberals.
Well, it's a whitepill unless it doesn't matter. It's entirely possible that Roberts will go back to cucking out at every opportunity again, and it's also possible, and I'd say even likely, that the leaker's intention wasn't to stop the ruling, but to galvanize the base. If you think about it, this could in theory be a godsend to the Dems, because there are midterms in a few months and they have literally nothing to run on, all they can do is screech about Jan 6 while nobody except twitter checkmarks cares and most of the nation is struggling due to skyrocketing prices and supply shortages, on top of everything that was wrong even before.
Of course, it's also possible that the Dem freakout will be so bad it'll make even more voters swing to the Reps.
Or they'll just cheat again, they got away with Kosovo-tier election shenanigans in 2020 so it's not like they'll calm down this time.
Well the Dem hard core doesn't give a flying fuck about Ukraine, they didn't even know the country existed until late February and I'm pretty sure they already forgot again by now. It's half the world away.
But yes, I see what you're saying, and I agree, it seems too early to blow this by now - but it's not like they had a choice, the decision was going to come out before the end of June, right? And at the same time, I never accused them of being smart, I get the impression that they're genuinely convinced that Twitter is real life.
I know how horrible they are and find them reprehensible. I support bodily autonomy as a fundamental right but abortions must be limited to early term except for dangerous pregnancies.
The people who think you get off on controlling women's bodies and want to force them to be incubator sex slaves are convinced it's a simple issue too.
Sorry, I think killing unborn babies and denying the right to bodily autonomy are both terrible things. Any issue where you have two bad options and have to choose the least bad is complicated.
You can't really say one or the other is more important. Look dude, it's not like I've just decided pro choice is the right answer and I never question it. I do. But it is a complicated issue.
More than anything I hate how casual they treat it, how they use it like birth control and an excuse to be irresponsible, and how they talk about fetuses like they're some disgusting non person of no consequence. I'm more than ready for the sick culture around abortion to change.
I'm disgusted by some of the things they've been saying over the last day. And I know how horrible the abortion process is. It's sickening.
I try to be understanding of you but you're just a whiny little bitch if you're going to act like it's not important to overturn progressive bullshit pushed in part by feminist and return society to what it should be
Wow you brain dead imbecile don't have sex if you don't want the possibility of children. I have no clue how you think adding accountability back to women is bad when only men have been accountable for reproduction for 50 odd years. Not to mention how many unhinged feminists have aborted male children for being male
For someone who goes on about hating women so much, despite how rent free they live in your head, you sure seem eager to get men killed by forcing women into military roles they will be ill suited for. The two main ways that will resolve are
Women will be placed in non combat roles, as happens now, meaning the men that were previously working there get displaced - congrats Imp, you just advocated diversity hiring/affirmative action.
Any woman that actually does make it to a combat role will never be equal to the men in those roles considering the men in those roles are often enough men that exceed what average men will be capable of in the first place. So the men alongside those diversity hires you are pushing for will then need to work extra hard on top of their default tasks to make up for the dead weight that will be your pet project. Which will get men killed when they end up overexerted and overburdened all because you want to sperg online about how much you hate women and yet still cannot ever shut the fuck up about them for more than a day, even when you get banned for it as you've shown by bringing an alt account here that one time because you had to post about something.
I hate this argument with a passion. Them going on about illegal abortions and people just doing unsafe ones is so fucking mental. These are the very same people who last week screeched about banning guns and that will totally solve the problem. Hypocrites through and through.
Endless comedy of oldass "women" on twitter mad as hell. Old maids, no-eggs "women" giving young actual real women extremely bad life advice that leads to bad outcomes.
Women only exist between 18 and ~30. After that they aren't even real women. That can't have children. If they aren't raising children or helping raising grandchildren, they're just loud useless eaters ruining laws and society.
Well its more like 14 to 40, but societally, we don't encourage pregnancy from 14-18 for a variety of good reasons and women from 30-40 have an increasingly hard time conceiving, with fertility falling off a cliff around age 40.
Holy shit even Roberts joined in. This is the first bit of evidence I've seen that he actually cares about SCOTUS's institutional integrity as opposed to using it as an excuse to cuck out to the left. Remember he opposed overturning Roe in the leaked opinion. He must have finally realized that there's no appeasing these animals. The leak backfired on its architect big time. This is a great day. I don't care much about the abortion issue itself but I'm thrilled to see an ideology as evil and hateful as feminism take such a huge loss.
Yes and no. He's still playing Mr. Senator - 6-3 on immediate merits, 5-4 on the Roe reversal itself. He had to be a snake and do a stand alone concurrence to say 'well, you see, it's complicated..'
It's still a massive step in the right direction but it gives lower courts a bit of extra wiggle room to chew on to find exceptions and carve out arguments for the eventual re-litigation on another theory down the road. Things will be messier, but Roberts gets to preen his feathers and say that he was the Principled Statesman tempering the court from being too bold.
Really wish we can eventually impeach him so he can go run for Senate to pursue his true passions. He has no business running SCOTUS.
He has no business actually being a senator either, but better he try and fail in that arena then what he's doing now
Black people's dog in this fight is that 40% of abortions are of black children and planned parenthood and it's affiliates target black people. So it should be a dog in favor of the ruling but I'll bet you anything msm and social media will thoroughly indoctrinate my follows by the end of the weekend and you'll see lots of cries of racism from people other than spoiled white girls
I am not sure this is the best path politically (continually chip away at it), but it definitely is the best path legally, in order to show that it will not stand for intimidation, and it will yield the most lolz today.
There are a lot of people here - well, one in particular - who would say that unironically. So I don't think you can blame my reading of your comment on autism.
Perhaps if our left wing weren't a bunch of extremists who wanted abortion up to the point of birth (and in some cases after birth) maybe there wouldn't be such a push from the right to ban it.
The nations with the most permissive abortion laws in Europe are comparable to the states with the least permissive abortion laws in the US. In the 90s the EvangeloCons tried pushing for laws requiring women seeking abortions to go through counselling first: very similar to what Germany requires today. This was considered "too conservative".
So in the face of an opponent who will compromise not one iota, why not go all-in for a full ban?
Politically it was probably best to rip the bandaid off. Roe has been poisoning the abortion debate for almost 50 years because the left didn't have to give their political opponents a seat at the table. Now they do, and that means means abortion policy will no longer be poisoned by a lack of legitimacy. Letting Roe limp along for a few more decades would have just kicked the can down the road and prolonged the agony of having abortion policy imposed by judicial fiat. Finally flushing this turd was the best move IMO.
Legally you're correct, and politics shouldn't be a factor in SCOTUS's decision making at all. The reason the Court has the legitimacy problem that Roberts is worried about is because the Warren Court decided to become a 3rd political branch to help the left win battles it couldn't have using legitimate political processes.
Politically it was probably best to rip the bandaid off
Not sure about that. Roe has been undermined by many court cases over the past 15 years, with very little pushback. As long as "Roe" was still there, people could rest content in that thought - even as it practically came to mean less and less.
I don't mean not to overturn Roe. But to uphold every single restriction, and then when it makes no difference, overturn Roe. Of course, that would be politicizing the judiciary, which is why it's bad. I think this is what Roberts wanted to do, to avoid a backlash.
The reason the Court has the legitimacy problem that Roberts is worried about is because the Warren Court decided to become a 3rd political branch to help the left win battles it couldn't have using legitimate political processes.
I'm amazed by the same people who told us that no one can challenge court decisions, because they were setting social policy that these people liked, now tell us that the court is illegitimate because it stopped setting social policy on one issue.
Payback's a fucking bitch, isn't it? All they had to do was leave us alone. It's about time they suffer for their incessant meddling in people's lives.
It's always been ironic to me that the "blue" demographics are the biggest abortion-havers. How many more blacks would there be in America today without abortion? Those damn racist red states, trying to stop abortions...
I'm personally pro-abortion (not pro-choice, I'm pro-abortion), but I'm very enthusiastic about this decision. Anything that decentralizes power back to the states is positive in my mind.
one thing to think about is if abortion was illegal this whole time and there were therefore more black people, black crime would of course be even higher which would make more white people correctly racist and hence conservative. Which would mean conservatives would get more votes and have more power instead of the 50-50 split right now. I suppose then liberals would rig more elections but then that pushes us further to a revolution which might have happened by now. They probably realize this which is why they wanted blacks to be aborted.
That's a theimpossible level of retarded takes. If abortion weren't available and daddy government wasn't able to play daddy government black women would actually have to do a better job picking mates and the rate of fatherlessness would not have risen to what it is and gasp crime wouldn't be so prevalent
First of all, I take argument with your statement that "white people [should be] correctly racist." Let's be anti-violence, anti-crime, anti-racist affirmative actions, etc. Let's not just be racist.
Regarding conservatives having more power if there were more blacks and more crime--again, I doubt this. The big cities are generally much higher in black population that the surrounding territories, and they are the most left too--including the urban whites.
This doesn't matter, though. People hate white people, men, and especially white men regardless of what we do or our disposition toward their groups. They hate us because they ain't us.
Even your example, "mass school shooters," assuming for argument's sake that it is statistically correct, is a rare and minutely categorized crime that has only been categorized to such an extent because more generalized crime stats are not only insufficient to villify white men but also vindicate a reluctance of whites to accept diversity (le 13/56).
A perk of doing it on a Friday means there is a lack of water cooler talk about the decision for 2 days straight and lack of watching cable news on the weekends
But viewership will be down on the weekend is my point. It’s nice out, most people aren’t going to be glued to their tv watching 24hr coverage of the same story
That would run afoul of lots of legitimate parental authority and would be an unworkable and illegitimate extension of the fourth amendment. Instead you need to change state laws
But a Zionist like you, or islamist would disagree
I am a Zionist, and I support bans on all forms of genital mutilation for anyone under 18. That doesn't it's in the Constitution. That's as bad as making up the right to abortion in Roe.
Here's to hoping they legalize infant female mutilation, the constitution doesn't forbid it.
It doesn't. It would be a very bad law to legalize it, but there is nothing in the C that prohibits it.
I thought you said Kavanaugh and Barrett were 'traitors'? Why are you supporting an opinion by 'traitors', and one of them an Oppressor Gender member to boot! Who wants me dead!
And you believed that this OPPRESSOR GENDER member would thump a book written by MEN? And worship a MAN like Jesus Christ? Come on, man, I didn't take you to be that naive.
Obviously, it's a ploy so she can win people's trust, and then when you least expect it, The Genocide starts.
5% of men... so just half of women and 5% of men are pro baby murder. 30% of american voters max. And those 5% will still get sex anyway, women want to be impregnated by then.
What's funny is, the proverbial straw-man that women will threaten to stop fucking anything that has teeth is not actually a straw-man, as I've seen that line of attack from them.
I've seen it proposed several times where feminists propose chastity to own the cons.
It's interesting that they don't propose striking in the work place instead. I wonder if they just view daddy corporation as a liberator (lol) or instinctively know their jobs have no real value and therefore no leverage.
Yeah, this should be but the first step in trying to climb back up the slippery slope straight to Hell that America's been sliding down on since the '60s. At the very least, the pro-life movement should now refocus on a Right-To-Life amendment instead of resting on their laurels while emboldening others on the right with their victory, because assuredly the pro-abort side won't be giving them even a moment for peaceful celebration.
Between the gun decision and this decision in the last two days, you can almost feel the conservative wing of the court trying to pull us back.
The "bipartisan gun bill" that was in the news days before is essentially a dead man walking now -- there's no way Red Flag Laws stand up to the scrutiny of the precedent just set by SCOTUS. Granted, it will take years to get to that point, but the precedent is important.
This decision, much like yesterday's, is decisive. A cultural earthquake just got set off, and the majority didn't mince words. Roe and Casey were mistakes, and egregious ones, at that.
In the big scheme, it's probably a small victory - one that portends much more fighting in even bigger battles, but it gives me hope. The slide can be arrested. We aren't doomed.
Oh yes, this + yesterday's decision on guns has been a whitepill the size of Texas. At the very least it shows that conservatives (social conservatives to be exact) can actually win and conserve something that isn't a fruit of progressivism. I'm in full agreement that this is only one battle in a larger war, but some battles can be decisive and this here is a major victory for the right worth celebrating, even if the victors should not lose focus and prepare to fight for the next objective.
Unironically, God bless America.
Indeed.
Also, even though it's self-serving, I must add:
Anything that causes the left and social media to collectively lose their shit as is currently happening just warms the cockles of my heart.
I myself subsist on sugar, smoke, and schadenfreude. Today has been very filling.
Call me a cynic, but apart from consistently sensible justices like Thomas I think the supreme court is owned by the uniparty and has no interest in doing the job it's supposed to. It's probably a two pronged strategy, rile up the lefties to vote in the midterms and throw righties a few bones so they'll become complacent instead of bucking the system, which they were getting close to doing. They'll keep going back and forth like that to keep the clown world status quo shambling along.
But culturally, the pendulum is finally showing signs of swinging back. It's heartening. But leftist clown world has been so extreme that the pendulum might swing to the extreme right, which is not going to be pretty.
You're a cynic.
The decision was 6-3. I believe the initial leak was 5-4, with Roberts trying to convince the conservative bloc to not be so... definitive in their ruling.
The leak directly led to Roberts being more conservative. It's a white pill.
Bingo. Roberts realized SCOTUS's institutional integrity is shot if the left can pull shit like this to prevent decisions they don't like. I initially thought institutional integrity was just his excuse for cucking out to the left but today's decision is evidence that he genuinely cares about it.
The extreme optimist in me wonders if this is what it took to make Roberts realize that his days as a milquetoast middle ground need to end.
The left will never be sated. As soon as you cross them in any way, it's Schumer's and Garland's assassins at YOUR doorstep. Appeasement will never work. It cannot. I pray Roberts realized it.
Roberts is image conscious. He wants the court to be seen as legitimate and used that as justification for more left-friendly rulings in the past. I wonder if he is aware that this was just making conservatives see the court as even more illegitimate while doing nothing to ingratiate the court for liberals.
It's extremely hard to have faith in the system right now, but if I'm wrong I'll be very happy.
I'll have enough faith for both of us, then, fren.
Seat at the table is always open.
Thanks, man.
Well, it's a whitepill unless it doesn't matter. It's entirely possible that Roberts will go back to cucking out at every opportunity again, and it's also possible, and I'd say even likely, that the leaker's intention wasn't to stop the ruling, but to galvanize the base. If you think about it, this could in theory be a godsend to the Dems, because there are midterms in a few months and they have literally nothing to run on, all they can do is screech about Jan 6 while nobody except twitter checkmarks cares and most of the nation is struggling due to skyrocketing prices and supply shortages, on top of everything that was wrong even before.
Of course, it's also possible that the Dem freakout will be so bad it'll make even more voters swing to the Reps.
Or they'll just cheat again, they got away with Kosovo-tier election shenanigans in 2020 so it's not like they'll calm down this time.
They couldn't milk Ukraine for more than 4 months, why do you think they'll be able to keep this as CURRENT THING for more than that?
Well the Dem hard core doesn't give a flying fuck about Ukraine, they didn't even know the country existed until late February and I'm pretty sure they already forgot again by now. It's half the world away.
But yes, I see what you're saying, and I agree, it seems too early to blow this by now - but it's not like they had a choice, the decision was going to come out before the end of June, right? And at the same time, I never accused them of being smart, I get the impression that they're genuinely convinced that Twitter is real life.
I wish. I hope my state is on the forefront
God, I wish that were true.
The left is already pushing for this
Even if I had no opinion on the matter I'd be happy with this because feminists are so upset
I'm grudgingly pro choice because of bodily autonomy but I can't summon sympathy for them. The derangement is very real.
Plus 99% of them spent the last year and a half smugly supporting/loudly demanding vax mandates
Have you ever seen an ultrasound of an abortion?
I know how horrible they are and find them reprehensible. I support bodily autonomy as a fundamental right but abortions must be limited to early term except for dangerous pregnancies.
It's not your body to kill.
I know this. I understand your point of view. But for all the effort everyone makes to reduce it to sound bite, it's a complicated issue.
No, it isn't. You're just immoral and too cowardly to admit it.
The people who think you get off on controlling women's bodies and want to force them to be incubator sex slaves are convinced it's a simple issue too.
Sorry, I think killing unborn babies and denying the right to bodily autonomy are both terrible things. Any issue where you have two bad options and have to choose the least bad is complicated.
Why is the baby’s body less important than the mother’s?
You can't really say one or the other is more important. Look dude, it's not like I've just decided pro choice is the right answer and I never question it. I do. But it is a complicated issue.
More than anything I hate how casual they treat it, how they use it like birth control and an excuse to be irresponsible, and how they talk about fetuses like they're some disgusting non person of no consequence. I'm more than ready for the sick culture around abortion to change.
I'm disgusted by some of the things they've been saying over the last day. And I know how horrible the abortion process is. It's sickening.
I try to be understanding of you but you're just a whiny little bitch if you're going to act like it's not important to overturn progressive bullshit pushed in part by feminist and return society to what it should be
Wow you brain dead imbecile don't have sex if you don't want the possibility of children. I have no clue how you think adding accountability back to women is bad when only men have been accountable for reproduction for 50 odd years. Not to mention how many unhinged feminists have aborted male children for being male
You think women who have abortions want children or want random sex with no need for precaution or worry?
Your complete lack of morality is really something to behold.
He's an SJW in everything but name. As long as the other side suffers he doesn't care if the world burns at the same time.
No, he's something else entirely. I think he's just broken.
For someone who goes on about hating women so much, despite how rent free they live in your head, you sure seem eager to get men killed by forcing women into military roles they will be ill suited for. The two main ways that will resolve are
Women will be placed in non combat roles, as happens now, meaning the men that were previously working there get displaced - congrats Imp, you just advocated diversity hiring/affirmative action.
Any woman that actually does make it to a combat role will never be equal to the men in those roles considering the men in those roles are often enough men that exceed what average men will be capable of in the first place. So the men alongside those diversity hires you are pushing for will then need to work extra hard on top of their default tasks to make up for the dead weight that will be your pet project. Which will get men killed when they end up overexerted and overburdened all because you want to sperg online about how much you hate women and yet still cannot ever shut the fuck up about them for more than a day, even when you get banned for it as you've shown by bringing an alt account here that one time because you had to post about something.
You're absolutely fucking retarded.
Women are worthless in a war. Just advocate for murdering women in the street and be done with it. At least then you'd be honest.
You're still fucking retarded.
Women will never do the fighting in a war, no matter how many of them you draft. You are detached from reality.
I hate this argument with a passion. Them going on about illegal abortions and people just doing unsafe ones is so fucking mental. These are the very same people who last week screeched about banning guns and that will totally solve the problem. Hypocrites through and through.
Endless comedy of oldass "women" on twitter mad as hell. Old maids, no-eggs "women" giving young actual real women extremely bad life advice that leads to bad outcomes.
Women only exist between 18 and ~30. After that they aren't even real women. That can't have children. If they aren't raising children or helping raising grandchildren, they're just loud useless eaters ruining laws and society.
Well its more like 14 to 40, but societally, we don't encourage pregnancy from 14-18 for a variety of good reasons and women from 30-40 have an increasingly hard time conceiving, with fertility falling off a cliff around age 40.
mostly economic reasons.
Wow that's a strong statement, I see your point though
Holy shit even Roberts joined in. This is the first bit of evidence I've seen that he actually cares about SCOTUS's institutional integrity as opposed to using it as an excuse to cuck out to the left. Remember he opposed overturning Roe in the leaked opinion. He must have finally realized that there's no appeasing these animals. The leak backfired on its architect big time. This is a great day. I don't care much about the abortion issue itself but I'm thrilled to see an ideology as evil and hateful as feminism take such a huge loss.
Yes and no. He's still playing Mr. Senator - 6-3 on immediate merits, 5-4 on the Roe reversal itself. He had to be a snake and do a stand alone concurrence to say 'well, you see, it's complicated..'
It's still a massive step in the right direction but it gives lower courts a bit of extra wiggle room to chew on to find exceptions and carve out arguments for the eventual re-litigation on another theory down the road. Things will be messier, but Roberts gets to preen his feathers and say that he was the Principled Statesman tempering the court from being too bold.
Really wish we can eventually impeach him so he can go run for Senate to pursue his true passions. He has no business running SCOTUS.
He has no business actually being a senator either, but better he try and fail in that arena then what he's doing now
Enlightened Centrism is the absolute worst ideology of all. Even the Bible condemned it 2000 years ago.
I bet Roberts drinks room temperature coffee
he wants to be on the winning side. He was never going to be in a 5-4 minority.
Peaceful protests all around!
Summer of Love 2: Woman Moment Boogaloo
There is full Democrat control of government.
This isn't new news because of the leak
Black people don't really have a dog in this fight
All signs point to no. Lesbians and feminists aren't capable of launching a meaningful riot on their own.
Black people's dog in this fight is that 40% of abortions are of black children and planned parenthood and it's affiliates target black people. So it should be a dog in favor of the ruling but I'll bet you anything msm and social media will thoroughly indoctrinate my follows by the end of the weekend and you'll see lots of cries of racism from people other than spoiled white girls
It's going to be interesting in blue cities.
/Berkeley - sheltering in place. Send popcorn.
There'll be a lot of rage-induced scissoring action, no doubt.
I am not sure this is the best path politically (continually chip away at it), but it definitely is the best path legally, in order to show that it will not stand for intimidation, and it will yield the most lolz today.
Yeah, which you won't. Even then it would matter, because a lot of men support abortion because it allows us to get off the hook.
There are a lot of people here - well, one in particular - who would say that unironically. So I don't think you can blame my reading of your comment on autism.
Dude, have you read any of the comments from TheImpossible1 ?
Your comment wasn't outlandish at all.
Where do you think we are?
i thought you were serious cuz of your dumb name
yeah aryans are iranians
Holy shit, you're as ignorant as you think you are witty.
This but unironically
We need to grow this grassroots movement.
Perhaps if our left wing weren't a bunch of extremists who wanted abortion up to the point of birth (and in some cases after birth) maybe there wouldn't be such a push from the right to ban it.
The nations with the most permissive abortion laws in Europe are comparable to the states with the least permissive abortion laws in the US. In the 90s the EvangeloCons tried pushing for laws requiring women seeking abortions to go through counselling first: very similar to what Germany requires today. This was considered "too conservative".
So in the face of an opponent who will compromise not one iota, why not go all-in for a full ban?
Politically it was probably best to rip the bandaid off. Roe has been poisoning the abortion debate for almost 50 years because the left didn't have to give their political opponents a seat at the table. Now they do, and that means means abortion policy will no longer be poisoned by a lack of legitimacy. Letting Roe limp along for a few more decades would have just kicked the can down the road and prolonged the agony of having abortion policy imposed by judicial fiat. Finally flushing this turd was the best move IMO.
Legally you're correct, and politics shouldn't be a factor in SCOTUS's decision making at all. The reason the Court has the legitimacy problem that Roberts is worried about is because the Warren Court decided to become a 3rd political branch to help the left win battles it couldn't have using legitimate political processes.
Not sure about that. Roe has been undermined by many court cases over the past 15 years, with very little pushback. As long as "Roe" was still there, people could rest content in that thought - even as it practically came to mean less and less.
I don't mean not to overturn Roe. But to uphold every single restriction, and then when it makes no difference, overturn Roe. Of course, that would be politicizing the judiciary, which is why it's bad. I think this is what Roberts wanted to do, to avoid a backlash.
I'm amazed by the same people who told us that no one can challenge court decisions, because they were setting social policy that these people liked, now tell us that the court is illegitimate because it stopped setting social policy on one issue.
I can already hear the reeeeeeeeeeeeeeing.
I'm the same. Why bother consuming the constant whinging and crying of people about everything. It's exhausting.
I'll be outside checking my flowers.
I never had a social media account, and I am so thankful that I didn't. Social media was always, and will remain, a mistake.
It only cost us 65 million plus lives….. yay feminism
Payback's a fucking bitch, isn't it? All they had to do was leave us alone. It's about time they suffer for their incessant meddling in people's lives.
It's always been ironic to me that the "blue" demographics are the biggest abortion-havers. How many more blacks would there be in America today without abortion? Those damn racist red states, trying to stop abortions...
I'm personally pro-abortion (not pro-choice, I'm pro-abortion), but I'm very enthusiastic about this decision. Anything that decentralizes power back to the states is positive in my mind.
Literally the reason abortion became popular in the US. Racist progressives pushing eugenics
one thing to think about is if abortion was illegal this whole time and there were therefore more black people, black crime would of course be even higher which would make more white people correctly racist and hence conservative. Which would mean conservatives would get more votes and have more power instead of the 50-50 split right now. I suppose then liberals would rig more elections but then that pushes us further to a revolution which might have happened by now. They probably realize this which is why they wanted blacks to be aborted.
That's a theimpossible level of retarded takes. If abortion weren't available and daddy government wasn't able to play daddy government black women would actually have to do a better job picking mates and the rate of fatherlessness would not have risen to what it is and gasp crime wouldn't be so prevalent
Why the downvotes? LBJ admitted this also the CIA admitted to pushing drugs in the cities.
fag
Illogical dipshit
First of all, I take argument with your statement that "white people [should be] correctly racist." Let's be anti-violence, anti-crime, anti-racist affirmative actions, etc. Let's not just be racist.
Regarding conservatives having more power if there were more blacks and more crime--again, I doubt this. The big cities are generally much higher in black population that the surrounding territories, and they are the most left too--including the urban whites.
no it's correct to be racist because they commit most crimes
Bad argument. Should I be racist against white males because most mass school shooters in the US have been white males?
Should I be misandrist because most shootings, period, are committed by males?
No, that's useless.
This doesn't matter, though. People hate white people, men, and especially white men regardless of what we do or our disposition toward their groups. They hate us because they ain't us.
Even your example, "mass school shooters," assuming for argument's sake that it is statistically correct, is a rare and minutely categorized crime that has only been categorized to such an extent because more generalized crime stats are not only insufficient to villify white men but also vindicate a reluctance of whites to accept diversity (le 13/56).
good argument. it's good to be racist against blacks but bad to be against whites because of facts and logic
true but either way, men or women, both are no good
Couldn't they have waited until Monday?
A perk of doing it on a Friday means there is a lack of water cooler talk about the decision for 2 days straight and lack of watching cable news on the weekends
But viewership will be down on the weekend is my point. It’s nice out, most people aren’t going to be glued to their tv watching 24hr coverage of the same story
I felt a great disturbance in leftism, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
Let the fucking salt flow
Braindead Leftists be :
And you should tell them "yes, experts say it's safe and effective".
I'm willing to pay more taxes to prevent murder
and we should also be vigilant to stop welfare, let them be forced to put babies up for adoption or just starve
Lol dipshit the welfare state was expanded alongside abortion because it's a tool of the same Faction and is used to further their interest
GOD WINS
Hoes mad
Long overdue. Today for the first time in decades, America takes a step to become moral again.
great news. watching them seethe is like 2016 election night
I don’t care if I never come down
What part of the Constitution requires a ban on genital mutilation?
we do need one, it could ban transgender surgery and cicimvision both
That would run afoul of lots of legitimate parental authority and would be an unworkable and illegitimate extension of the fourth amendment. Instead you need to change state laws
There is none. Its a decision that should be left to the states.
Cite the part.
I am a Zionist, and I support bans on all forms of genital mutilation for anyone under 18. That doesn't it's in the Constitution. That's as bad as making up the right to abortion in Roe.
It doesn't. It would be a very bad law to legalize it, but there is nothing in the C that prohibits it.
I thought you said Kavanaugh and Barrett were 'traitors'? Why are you supporting an opinion by 'traitors', and one of them an Oppressor Gender member to boot! Who wants me dead!
And you believed that this OPPRESSOR GENDER member would thump a book written by MEN? And worship a MAN like Jesus Christ? Come on, man, I didn't take you to be that naive.
Obviously, it's a ploy so she can win people's trust, and then when you least expect it, The Genocide starts.
I can't believe you're defending a member of the oppressor gender? Where are your standards?
Barrett is a genocidal maniac who wants us dead and tortured.
"Bible thumper"
Lol you're a tard.
Anyone who hates Christianity and demeans it is just as destructive to society as any feminist
Yeah Christianty totally advocates male slavery
more men support this now cuz we don't get sex anyway, not regular good sex from a thin girl anyway. can't take from us what we don't have
5% of men... so just half of women and 5% of men are pro baby murder. 30% of american voters max. And those 5% will still get sex anyway, women want to be impregnated by then.
agreed
I've seen it proposed several times where feminists propose chastity to own the cons.
It's interesting that they don't propose striking in the work place instead. I wonder if they just view daddy corporation as a liberator (lol) or instinctively know their jobs have no real value and therefore no leverage.