Now that he can no longer be convicted for the crimes he committed, he is no longer legally allowed to plead the 5th. Congress can call him to testify about every crime he was involved in, and if he refuses to talk or lies, he can be held in contemp of congress or guilty of perjury, which are two offenses for which he can still be sent to prison.
His shield is not as impervious as he thinks. It could also condemn several others, including Joe himself.
I'm not sure how valuable it is to prosecute a man who is 80-something years old with no political future, who is completely discredited already. What opponents of DJT didn't realize is that trying to prosecute someone often redounds to his advantage, and I hope the GOP doesn't make that same mistake.
I do support getting all the corruption on the record at least, and perhaps DJT pardoning Senile Joe.
He was just an example. He is well known for having directly benefited from Hunter's dealings in Ukraine and China, in exchange for favours from the US government. There is a LOT that Hunter could say about Joe's crimes.
But he is far from being the only person that Hunter could incriminate, were he to answer questions honestly.
They also don't care about things like "hypocrisy".
The reason for pointing out hypocrisy is not to imagine that the other side will have a road to Damascus moment "geez, we've been the bad guys, let's not do that", but to show everyone else that they have no principles, etc.
This has been on the books since last year. Remember when he was big in the news, lots of cases against him, both federal and state and even a custody and child naming case in there? Then it all just.. disappeared?
That was when the deal was made. My money is on Kamala using Pelosi to turn out the federal heat on Hunter to push Biden into staying off the ticket, with the obvious prize being, "we'll let you pardon your son and move out without any federal charges following either of you."
If the narrative they're going to run with is 'I'm doing this because of ebil Drumpf' then it's actually the most obvious and logical next step, albeit from a completely dishonest premise.
The pardon, which is "Full and Unconditional," is expected to cover both the gun conviction and the guilty plea, and covers offenses "which he has committed or may have committed or taken part in" over a nearly 11-year period from Jan. 1, 2014 through Dec. 1, 2024.
Are we supposed to interpret that as Hunter being pre-pardoned for any further crimes he may have committed during that time for which he does not yet have a conviction? Insanity.
That's exactly what the pardon says. He's absolved of anything (federal) he did - already convicted of, or as of yet not accused of - during the 11 year period starting in 2014, and running through 2024.
It would seem that they are using this to close off the Burisma stuff, or any of the other influence peddling he was involved in.
This [Dems abusing the system through loopholes and lack of specific legislation saying "Don't be a retarded shithead"] is literally how amendments get written.
22nd was put in place after FDR won 4 terms, until then every single previous POTUS only ever stood for a max of 2 terms and then didn't stand for further reelection as a gentlemen's agreement to Washington doing that as the 1st, and Jefferson doing the same as the 3rd. Adams, the 2nd, only stood for 1 term.
Of course in various media it's always Reps who are the ones shown abusing or repealing the 22nd, like with Nixon doing just that in the original Watchmen graphic story, and always ignores the reason why the 22nd was written in the first place.
'Conflict of interest' isn't an issue. They said this when they were falsely claiming that Trump was going to pardon himself - that you can't pardon yourself. But the ability to pardon family members has never been in question.
Its been documented through a lot of the leaks that Biden has a massive soft spot for his fuckup son, despite said son treating him like absolute shit back.
So while its morally and presidentially horrible for him to do this, its also the most human trait left in a lifelong politician like him.
Not like Joe has a choice since the golden child, Beau, died from brain cancer. The fact that Joe barely remembers Beau now due to his dementia while he's stuck with the crackhead is almost karma.
Its been documented through a lot of the leaks that Biden has a massive soft spot for his fuckup son, despite said son treating him like absolute shit back.
The technical term for this is called 'being a father'.
So while its morally and presidentially horrible for him to do this, its also the most human trait left in a lifelong politician like him.
I honestly thought that he'd sacrifice his son for politics. But now he doesn't have to choose.
He swore, for the second time, less than a month ago that he would not be doing this, so of course he went and did it on a Sunday night in the middle of football season when they thought nobody was looking.
"any and all he may have done or taken part in"
Pretty much covers everything for the past 10 years.
Investigate him like they did to Trumps friends for the next 4 years: he'll have coke on him sooner rather than later. :/
With a full federal pardon now in effect, Hunter Biden has zero legal basis for refusing to testify to Congress about his foreign racketeering schemes.
If you can’t be federally charged, you can’t plead the Fifth.
Hot take: Don't care. This is the least of his (Clarity EDIT: President Biden's) crimes, and I don't care about him looking after family.
Hunter is absolute scum, but this still might be the most honorable thing Grandpa Joe did in the last four years.
EDIT: I still think it's understandable, if corrupt. However, I think I was also unclear; I meant the pardon is the least of Joe's crimes, not Hunter's. The president has nearly unlimited pardon powers. Of course he was going to use them. I'm not saying it's good, I'm not saying Hunter deserves it, but I'm saying it's par for the course. It was much more broad than I initially thought, too, which does sour me on it, but it's still totally expected and within Joe's rights.
I'm aware. Point is, pardoning your totally guilty son is still more honorable and respectable than destroying this country.
Pardons are very often for unfavorable people who don't deserve it. Biden is using the power he is given to look after his (shitty, degenerate) family. Don't make me defend him. C'mon man. Listen, Fat.
"Looking after family" means giving your fuckup son his old room back after he goes bankrupt from a failed business, gets divorced and loses his house, and is struggling with alcoholism. Abusing your authority to give blanket immunity for a decade of malfeasance isn't reasonable, it's criminal conspiracy. Both Joe and Hunter should spend the rest of their lives in prison.
Not when it involves excusing and covering up serious crimes. I have nothing but contempt for mewling hoodrats who cry when their ape spawn are ventilated when attempting to rob a convenience store. "He was good boy, he dindo nuthin!" Parents who would go even further and become criminal accessories to help their children try to get away with crimes are even worse. Biden took it even further and abused his authority to do it, and all out in the open. So no, I won't respect him for this. In fact, out of everything else he's done, I find this the most contemptible.
Read "and covers offenses "which he has committed or may have committed or taken part in" over a nearly 11-year period from Jan. 1, 2014 through Dec. 1, 2024."
Pardon powers are nearly unlimited. Pardoning your son is a bad look, I agree, but that's are far as it goes. I don't like Joe, I don't like Hunter. This is, to my knowledge, completely legal, and far from the worst thing either of them have done.
If someone in Trump's family was a criminal, I wouldn't care if he pardoned them either.
We all knew this was coming, not sure why anyone is surprised or outraged.
If someone in Trump's family was a criminal, I wouldn't care if he pardoned them either.
While I agree with you on the gun charge (Trump should have pardoned Hunter for that one if Joe didn't), and I don't care about throwing Hunter into jail, this makes presidential pardon power sound worse. Just pardon family members who are criminals? That's why the Romans threw out Tarquin...
"Any and everything he did across a decade of time, it's all covered, any and everything" is, to you, "the least of his crimes"?
What the fuck did he do in December 2013?! Because the only way this covers the "least" of his crimes, is if "anything and everything" he did for a DECADE was somehow dwarfed by what happened prior but still within statute of limitations, a very thin window!
Yeah, I realize I was unclear, which might have contributed to my absolute downvote blowout.
I meant pardoning his guilty as hell son was the least of President Biden's crimes, not the least of Hunter's crimes. Agreed, it's a massive chunk of Hunter's crimes. And I didn't realize it was quite as broad as it was.
...if "anything and everything" he did for a DECADE was somehow dwarfed by what happened prior but still within statute of limitations, a very thin window!
To be fair, there's potential incest rape that meets those requirements. Hunter is such an awful person there might very well be worse crimes earlier. But that wasn't my point.
I think pardoning him for the gun charges was proper, but this pardon goes further than that. The good news, perhaps, is that this will prevent him from invoking the 5th in any Burisma investigation.
Trump should un-pardon him, or use this as precedent to pardon tens of thousands of "right wingers including Giuliani...
No. Leave the pardon.
Now that he can no longer be convicted for the crimes he committed, he is no longer legally allowed to plead the 5th. Congress can call him to testify about every crime he was involved in, and if he refuses to talk or lies, he can be held in contemp of congress or guilty of perjury, which are two offenses for which he can still be sent to prison.
His shield is not as impervious as he thinks. It could also condemn several others, including Joe himself.
DC would never punish a democrat for refusing a subpoena
They would never Steve Bannon themselves
I'm not sure how valuable it is to prosecute a man who is 80-something years old with no political future, who is completely discredited already. What opponents of DJT didn't realize is that trying to prosecute someone often redounds to his advantage, and I hope the GOP doesn't make that same mistake.
I do support getting all the corruption on the record at least, and perhaps DJT pardoning Senile Joe.
He was just an example. He is well known for having directly benefited from Hunter's dealings in Ukraine and China, in exchange for favours from the US government. There is a LOT that Hunter could say about Joe's crimes.
But he is far from being the only person that Hunter could incriminate, were he to answer questions honestly.
Breaking news, leftists don't have standards or principles, and will do anything to gain and keep power.
They also don't care about things like "hypocrisy".
This is why we need to get power and use it to actually destroy the left for a few decades.
All that aside, j6 people (except epps and the other feds) should all get pardoned day 1.
But remember, Trump's team has already couched that J6 pardons will be "reviewed on a case-by-case basis".
Oh, I know. I have no faith in Trump to actually get shit done and destroy the left.
The reason for pointing out hypocrisy is not to imagine that the other side will have a road to Damascus moment "geez, we've been the bad guys, let's not do that", but to show everyone else that they have no principles, etc.
lol, totally not corrupt.
It's (D)ifferent when they do it.
From https://archive.ph/jIO2G:
Fucking hypocrites...
We all knew that was coming after the election.
This has been on the books since last year. Remember when he was big in the news, lots of cases against him, both federal and state and even a custody and child naming case in there? Then it all just.. disappeared?
That was when the deal was made. My money is on Kamala using Pelosi to turn out the federal heat on Hunter to push Biden into staying off the ticket, with the obvious prize being, "we'll let you pardon your son and move out without any federal charges following either of you."
Anyways..
I've still got money on Biden pardoning himself before Jan 20.
If the narrative they're going to run with is 'I'm doing this because of ebil Drumpf' then it's actually the most obvious and logical next step, albeit from a completely dishonest premise.
https://archive.ph/EZsVC
Are we supposed to interpret that as Hunter being pre-pardoned for any further crimes he may have committed during that time for which he does not yet have a conviction? Insanity.
That's exactly what the pardon says. He's absolved of anything (federal) he did - already convicted of, or as of yet not accused of - during the 11 year period starting in 2014, and running through 2024.
It would seem that they are using this to close off the Burisma stuff, or any of the other influence peddling he was involved in.
Shouldn't this be a conflict of interest since he's literally the father of the accused? how is this allowed?
This [Dems abusing the system through loopholes and lack of specific legislation saying "Don't be a retarded shithead"] is literally how amendments get written.
22nd was put in place after FDR won 4 terms, until then every single previous POTUS only ever stood for a max of 2 terms and then didn't stand for further reelection as a gentlemen's agreement to Washington doing that as the 1st, and Jefferson doing the same as the 3rd. Adams, the 2nd, only stood for 1 term.
Of course in various media it's always Reps who are the ones shown abusing or repealing the 22nd, like with Nixon doing just that in the original Watchmen graphic story, and always ignores the reason why the 22nd was written in the first place.
Who lost the 1800 election then?
'Conflict of interest' isn't an issue. They said this when they were falsely claiming that Trump was going to pardon himself - that you can't pardon yourself. But the ability to pardon family members has never been in question.
Its been documented through a lot of the leaks that Biden has a massive soft spot for his fuckup son, despite said son treating him like absolute shit back.
So while its morally and presidentially horrible for him to do this, its also the most human trait left in a lifelong politician like him.
Not like Joe has a choice since the golden child, Beau, died from brain cancer. The fact that Joe barely remembers Beau now due to his dementia while he's stuck with the crackhead is almost karma.
The technical term for this is called 'being a father'.
I honestly thought that he'd sacrifice his son for politics. But now he doesn't have to choose.
Good factoid I saw on X, the 10 year term was far more wide ranging then Nixon got.
I hope Trump takes this in a lesson in how to use the system to save your own and destroy your enemies.
Trump only cares about enemies of Israel.
He swore, for the second time, less than a month ago that he would not be doing this, so of course he went and did it on a Sunday night in the middle of football season when they thought nobody was looking.
He can pardon the gun charge and the tax evasion, but there’s still a whole laptop full of crime that will bury them both.
Along with a whole lot of their friends and family.
"any and all he may have done or taken part in"
Pretty much covers everything for the past 10 years.
Investigate him like they did to Trumps friends for the next 4 years: he'll have coke on him sooner rather than later. :/
Cool.
With a full federal pardon now in effect, Hunter Biden has zero legal basis for refusing to testify to Congress about his foreign racketeering schemes.
If you can’t be federally charged, you can’t plead the Fifth.
Alexa, play the 'Curb Your Enthusiasm' theme music.
Good thing these shit heads always follow the rules. I'm sure we'll get all the details from Hunter now. /s
lol, it reads like the kind of thing you'd expect to hear from a crybully in a school playground.
"Nu-uh, I'm invincible times infinity+1 now and whenever I need to be!"
Never forget how Biden treated millions of other kids :
https://x.com/naticoineth/status/1863411183568445849
Hot take: Don't care. This is the least of his (Clarity EDIT: President Biden's) crimes, and I don't care about him looking after family.
Hunter is absolute scum, but this still might be the most honorable thing Grandpa Joe did in the last four years.
EDIT: I still think it's understandable, if corrupt. However, I think I was also unclear; I meant the pardon is the least of Joe's crimes, not Hunter's. The president has nearly unlimited pardon powers. Of course he was going to use them. I'm not saying it's good, I'm not saying Hunter deserves it, but I'm saying it's par for the course. It was much more broad than I initially thought, too, which does sour me on it, but it's still totally expected and within Joe's rights.
It's a little broader than the gun conviction.
It only covers all the Ukraine shit too. Nothing sketchy happened there at all involving the Biden crime family. U
I'm aware. Point is, pardoning your totally guilty son is still more honorable and respectable than destroying this country.
Pardons are very often for unfavorable people who don't deserve it. Biden is using the power he is given to look after his (shitty, degenerate) family. Don't make me defend him. C'mon man. Listen, Fat.
I'm with you. Everything else they've both done aside, looking after his family is entirely reasonable.
"Looking after family" means giving your fuckup son his old room back after he goes bankrupt from a failed business, gets divorced and loses his house, and is struggling with alcoholism. Abusing your authority to give blanket immunity for a decade of malfeasance isn't reasonable, it's criminal conspiracy. Both Joe and Hunter should spend the rest of their lives in prison.
Like I said "everything else they've done aside"
You can respect a man for caring about his family while still thinking he and his family are crooks.
Not when it involves excusing and covering up serious crimes. I have nothing but contempt for mewling hoodrats who cry when their ape spawn are ventilated when attempting to rob a convenience store. "He was good boy, he dindo nuthin!" Parents who would go even further and become criminal accessories to help their children try to get away with crimes are even worse. Biden took it even further and abused his authority to do it, and all out in the open. So no, I won't respect him for this. In fact, out of everything else he's done, I find this the most contemptible.
We are not an aristocracy. Fuck his family
Read "and covers offenses "which he has committed or may have committed or taken part in" over a nearly 11-year period from Jan. 1, 2014 through Dec. 1, 2024."
The gun shit is just the front.
I never mentioned the gun.
Pardon powers are nearly unlimited. Pardoning your son is a bad look, I agree, but that's are far as it goes. I don't like Joe, I don't like Hunter. This is, to my knowledge, completely legal, and far from the worst thing either of them have done.
If someone in Trump's family was a criminal, I wouldn't care if he pardoned them either.
We all knew this was coming, not sure why anyone is surprised or outraged.
While I agree with you on the gun charge (Trump should have pardoned Hunter for that one if Joe didn't), and I don't care about throwing Hunter into jail, this makes presidential pardon power sound worse. Just pardon family members who are criminals? That's why the Romans threw out Tarquin...
"Any and everything he did across a decade of time, it's all covered, any and everything" is, to you, "the least of his crimes"?
What the fuck did he do in December 2013?! Because the only way this covers the "least" of his crimes, is if "anything and everything" he did for a DECADE was somehow dwarfed by what happened prior but still within statute of limitations, a very thin window!
Yeah, I realize I was unclear, which might have contributed to my absolute downvote blowout.
I meant pardoning his guilty as hell son was the least of President Biden's crimes, not the least of Hunter's crimes. Agreed, it's a massive chunk of Hunter's crimes. And I didn't realize it was quite as broad as it was.
To be fair, there's potential incest rape that meets those requirements. Hunter is such an awful person there might very well be worse crimes earlier. But that wasn't my point.
If it were my son I'd pardon him in a nanosecond. Why is this even a question.
nO oNe iS AbOvE tHe LaW!!!111!
Because it's an abuse of power, a demonstration of naked hypocrisy, and you're a retarded faggot.
If this is an abuse of power, it's the smallest abuse of power the Biden regime has done in the past days.
It's still an abuse of power. That's the point. Plus the whole 'I will not be pardoning my son' thing from earlier in the administration.
Then have the guts and say so.
"I pardon him, cause he is my son and I can do so".
Because you're not the President.
Imagine my shock
I think pardoning him for the gun charges was proper, but this pardon goes further than that. The good news, perhaps, is that this will prevent him from invoking the 5th in any Burisma investigation.