The “official story” - that it was some kind of unique and singular event that must forever serve as the permanent foundational narrative of the entire human species, and that the descendants of its victims must be immune to criticism in perpetuity - is absolutely bullshit.
It is the most exaggerated event in history. Too many things about the "official story" don't add up. The death toll keeps going up, the manners of killing reported are absolutely cartoonishy unrealistic, investigation is criminalized. Oh, and the more people hear about Weimar, the more they may start to think the Germans had a point.
And you know what else would explain so many dead? Lack of food and medicine after the Allies broke the supply lines. More Germans died from that alone than Jews in camps, and you think they'd prioritize the camps for supplies in such a scenario?
In a denial argument, always ask "What about it am I denying?" They'll never keep up with that.
Are you telling there were no eagles and bears and sinking electro-floors that turned Jews into ashes in an efficient manner during a brutal two-front war?
The Germans absolutely had a point I mean look at the aftermath of what happens when we bend the knee to these degenerates even just a little. Genocide is such a no no topic but there are legitimate arguments that it could be used to eliminate disease and increase quality of life. The fact that you can’t even discuss it is so stupid, like I’ll gladly argue with anyone over anything no matter how blatantly stupid because you are entitled to your opinion. Thats your god given right to speak your mind.
Does a world without AIDS where everyone looks like supermodels sound like such a bad idea in concept?
When regular citizens are starving, when the army is starving, then it only stands to reason that the prisoners of war will be dead from starvation. Add disease into that scenario and you have a recipe for millions of people dead.
It's just another thing, isn't it? Can't actually have a discussion about it because the crazies on both sides come out. It's entirely possible millions of jews were rounded up, put in labor camps, submitted to hellish conditions... and died like many prisoners of war do, especially on the losing side. It's still genocidal, but it's a little less maniacal, and we can't ever have that.
The death toll has gone down after being researched. Autschwitz alone was identified by the Soviets as having killed as many as 4 million from some back-of-the-napkin math. The commandant claimed it was 3, then revised it down to 2.1. Looking into the actual records kept regarding the movements of train passengers, and who was kept in place and who were transited to other locations, it looks to be about 1.1 million.
Oh, and the more people hear about Weimar, the more they may start to think the Germans had a point.
The Frei Korps were the only ones to have a point. The National Socialists were Socialists who were replicating the same problem. They were just keeping the degeneracy in-house.
And you know what else would explain so many dead? Lack of food and medicine after the Allies broke the supply lines. More Germans died from that alone than Jews in camps, and you think they'd prioritize the camps for supplies in such a scenario?
More nonsense. American POW camps by 1945 had become only slightly better than most concentration camps, and yet there is no record of American or Soviet death rates as high as the extermination camps indicated. The fact that the living quarters of the prison staff were still well kept shows a priority of care and intentional neglect at the best of times. People starve over days, they don't tend to die by the thousands in less than an hour.
More than that, the food problems in Germany were of the Socialists own creation, not by the allies. They had food problems in 1942 from centrally planned agriculture. They simply seized all available food from occupied countries until those populations were already intentionally starved into submission, as happened in Poland and Greece.
The very point of whatever starvation did happen, it was done as intentionally as it was done in the Holodomor. The Germans, whether military or civilian, were never kept in the level of emaciated states that POWs were regularly found in by the end of the war, let alone the state jews were found in.
"What about it am I denying?"
You're denying reality by ignoring the near limitless physical, logistical, and actuarial evidence in favor of some hypothesis you made up without knowing any available context at all. It's motivated reasoning. Nothing more, never will be.
You want an argument that that people have trouble keeping up with? How come the fucking Nazis never denied the Holocaust. There were only two excuses: "I didn't know" and "I had to". The Nuremburg Trials lasted for years, someone could have made that argument, they never did. Just you lot.
Again, we have the accounts of the prisoners. Goering, Hess, Speer, and even the Commandant of Auschwitz never spoke about being tortured. Journalists met with them publicly. Goering was able to kill himself because he got so friendly with a guard.
Even the Soviets didn't tend to torture any of the primary actors. They just either killed them outright, or used them as a prop and intentionally kept them alive and well fed, and then publicly prosecuted under the soviet judiciary. They infamously tortured a Polish intelligence officer who had gone to Autchwitz voluntarily and revealed the mass murder to the allies, because he was a Polish Nationalist before the war, and they didn't want him gaining any more friends and allies because he was an absolute Chad even before the war.
As for the German POW's, Speer writes how cushy it got:
From Albert Speer's memoirs, pg. 505:
Apparently the surrounding populace believed we were being beaten and starved; rumor had it that Leni Riefenstahl was pining away in the dungeon of the tower. Actually we had been brought to this castle to answer questions on the technical conduct of the war. ... For the rest, we banished boredom by early-morning sports, a series of scientific lectures, and once Schacht recited poetry, giving astonishingly emotional renderings. A weekly cabaret was also conjured up. We watched the performances - the scenes repeatedly dealt with our own situation - and sometimes tears of laughter ran down our faces at the tumble we had taken.
I will also remind you that many of the Socialist officers and agents were acquitted of their charges because they hadn't participated in crimes against humanity (much to the soviet's annoyance).
It was very bad - but much of human history was very bad. The Holocaust is given special treatment because the victims were the ancestors of the ethnic demo that now disproportionately influences media, education, and government. There’s no reason why young third world students in Africa should be focusing on a genocide that happened 75 years ago and a world away, and yet this specific education is somehow a priority in 2024. The narcissism and solipsism of this behavior is completely fucking insufferable, and it is made infinitely worse by the fact that simply calling this shit out is grounds for social and financial ruin at the hands of that same ethnic demo.
I meant what do you mean by very bad, much of the accounts have been exaggerated if not outright fabricated, from number of deaths to the various rube Goldberg slaughter machines that they miraculously survived multiple times, if you look at the reasonable death estimates and causes, dying from starvation and typhoid in labor camps wasn't really that bad compared to everything else going on during the war where whole cities were firebombed or even nuked
Over 5 million German soldiers died during WW2 and over 11 million Soviet Union soldiers died as well. But why do those numbers get ignored over the 6 million we are supposed to feel bad for and still pay reparations for to this day? Over 75 million deaths over the war and the touchiest subject of them all is where a certain 8% of that number died? Just seems weird to me
population censuses from before and after the war don't correlate to the lie. putting maternity wards and swimming pools into "death camps" doesn't correlate to the lie. countless jews admitting they lied about being in the camps to steal money from Germany doesn't correlate to the lie.
Enemy of my enemy isn't always my friend. The left created a coalition centered around hatred of White Men. These are groups that hate each other and are only united by the bigotry they project about.
I'm not on either side of the Israel Palestine bullshit (honestly I say we cut all aid and let them sort it out themselves, only making sure Israel doesn't nuke anything as a rage quit). But the Democrats want to court both jews and muslims and it only works when they aren't in a hot war with each other.
A part of me wonders if the reason this is happening now is due to cognitive dissonance surrounding covid.
They were told one thing, then told ANOTHER thing, then something else, then something completely different, all the while told to 'trust the experts' and wear the mask, bigot.
And while it's completely verboten to dare talk ill of the Holy Saint Fauci, peace be unto him, when this entire kerfuffle rolled around, the crossed wires in their brain short-circuited and went 'Wait a minute...'
Nah, the left has been pro-Muslim and anti-Jewish for a lot longer than Covid. They couldn't publicly state it before because "muh antisemitism" and because they've been using it as a weapon against the right, but it's been fermenting for a long time. See the BDS movement for example.
It's just that Muslims are now reaching critical mass and they can be much more open about it.
Dont forget Occupy Wall Street.
Was basically a bunch of leftists open air debating against legit businessmen and eventually realizing they weren't the intended target. Then when it became clear who "the 1%" were the movement was dissolved.
being anti israel is not the same as being anti jewish. Sinfest for example is very anti jewish and the anti israel leftists hate him for that .they will keep saying things like "you can be against israel's genocide without being antisemitic you bigot"
Anti-BDS legislature is always good, because it's one of the very few official tools that gets used exclusively against leftists who have low impulse control.
The Holocaust happened, but the vast majority of what happened is blown way out of proportion. The Nazis were meticulous bookkeepers and there is NO record of 6 million Jews being killed in concentration camps. It's closer to about 1.5 million, which is still not a good look, but it's not 6 million.
In short, fuck off JIDF. Israel is a terrorist state and uses their fake Holocaust numbers to garner sympathy.
i believe it didn't happen at all. Why did i come to that conclusion? when i saw zionists making lies about how Assad was using chemical weapons against civilians when he had already given all of it up to America. And how zionists kept claiming this shit whenever he was on the verge of winning anything. And i was like. "Oh wow they are doing this shit again huh?"
They lie. They've always lied. And they project massively, many crimes they accuse others of they are the ones that are actually guilty of it
I mean, I would agree with you, but my grandpa literally helped liberate a concentration camp. The numbers are definitely highly skewed though and they've been using it as an excuse since then.
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Fuck off, we all already know you're JIDF. Considering that I got 31 upvotes from that comment, I think it's safe to see we all agree with me and think your Jewish propaganda is bullshit.
The Nazis were meticulous bookkeepers and there is NO record of 6 million Jews being killed in concentration camps. It's closer to about 1.5 million, which is still not a good look, but it's not 6 million.
1.5 million is barely more than what was accounted for at Auschwitz. The reason there's no record of 6 million jews being killed at concentration caps because there are more than one type of camp. Work camps, concertation camps, and extermination camps. Even then, the mass executions started before there were any camps; both in mass shootings and gas trucks.
If the number was as low as 1.5 million it wouldn't explain Poland being fucking emptied of jews. And why only jewish neighborhoods were utterly depopulated down to zero in some cases.
Not knowing anything about the Holocaust is not a reason to reject it.
The Soviets exaggerated it initially because they didn't care. They just wanted to score propaganda points and pretend they weren't committing mass rape as a weapon of terror (or that they had conducted their own wholesale extermination of the Polish intelligentsia). Over time, we've been able to get more accurate measurements on the reality of the mass executions, mostly because the Soviet grip on information was lost and we can actually do a proper analysis of the data.
Besides, the way the allies had to count the initial people killed in the concentration and extermination camps was physical. Yes some extermination camps (like Auschwitz and Dachau) cremated people who had been killed. But there were tons of mass graves anyway. Bodies moved with bulldozers. The Americans dug up tons of mass graves, then re-interred them by counting them. They would dig out lye pits in squares and bury them hundreds to thousands at a time, sometimes stacking pits on top of each other. So you could have a mass grave of 5 thousand at the bottom, then bury it (but not to the top), then start smaller mass graves on top of that, then bury those, then do it again. Three was the highest I found, which suggests these would have been deep pits. The Americans explicitly labeled these pits with the exact counts in each one.
The argument about the number of people killed in the holocaust is becoming more and more about categorization than evidence. Do you count non-jewish Polish or Danish soldiers who were mass executed as part of an ethnic cleansing? In the end, the mass graves and de-populated towns speak for themselves that this is a fucking stunning amount of murder.
The number of "survivors" keeps climbing every year, too. I wonder why? Could it be that it's just a bunch of liars lying so they can get eternal gibs from Germany, to the tune of billions every year? Nah, that can't be it.
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Looks like all those years of playing the 'fellow whites' card while at the same time pushing education standards that denounce whites as inherently evil has begun to backfire.
I’m not gonna sit here and pretend I know for sure that the Holocaust didn’t actually happen, but when your best “evidence” are things that could easily be faked and eyewitness testimonies that have been extremely inconsistent…
Questioning it should be encouraged as a learning opportunity if anything, the fact that it is one of the most touchy subjects out there is pretty suspect. You can make 9/11 jokes all day, but make one holocaust joke and you’ll be hit with a mountain of hate.
It annoys me that they both have a point and wrap it on complete shit.
Being unable to fully talk about a subject, especially a historical one, naturally invites doubt over if it truly happened the way it was reported and this can lead to doubts it even happened despite evidence.
The shit that covers this actual issue, is the 'FreePalestine' crap as this was more a 'fuck around and found out' event as I don't remember Jews assaulting in paragliders and technicals to murder and kidnap germans into an area where a concentration camp would be to get annihilated by Nazis in response.
I think the attack was known to happen beforehand but with a compromised 5 eyes with Iranian sympathisers it was worse on casualties than expected.
This ruined not only Israeli military's image but also Netanyahu's political career so on both regards they went 'fuck it' and decided on decimating Gaza as an example. The surrounding Muslim countries weren't expecting it this bad either but also didn't want Palestinian refugees so kinda went 'no this is awful' but offered little physical assistance.
While in the west, both the Jews in institutions of power and just sheer numbers of Muslims in the countries are both pissed with the right mostly distant from both thanks to prior sidelining mostly staying out of it and the left trapped in wanting to cuck to the Muslims but scared the Jewish institutions will cut off ALL support of their groups.
TDLR; I think it's a shitshow thanks to incompetence.
the casualties were worse because some of the victims were by israeli helicopters shooting at the crowd themselves https://thecradle.co/articles-id/11993
And that's not even talking about how jews put everyone in debt with usury and tanked the entire world economy at the time and everyone was poor as shit.
We should not tolerate the use of the Holocaust as a bludgeon against the Nazi's enemies and to demand tolerance of the Nazi's allies. So while she has a point, the problem she's identified is that it allows her to exist.
Of course the Holocaust happened - the Nazis were kind enough to record everything they did themselves. They admitted it, you dipshit. They were proud of it.
This seems to be a common thought. It's wrong, but I think he believes it. I'm not even sure there was any Nuremburg defendants who were tortured. None of the higher echelon ones were tortured, for sure. We have their statements, and their physical health in public as testaments to that. Not to mention there were a number of acquittals for people whom were clearly not involved in any of the charges, whether Holocaust related or starting-the-war related.
Anyways, it's hard to tell. Again with the denialists, it's the whole "it didn't happen but it should have" mentality so it's hard to tell the difference between them lying about what they know to have happened, versus if they are actually stupid enough to think it didn't happen, despite advocating for it.
The Holocaust happened. It was very bad.
The “official story” - that it was some kind of unique and singular event that must forever serve as the permanent foundational narrative of the entire human species, and that the descendants of its victims must be immune to criticism in perpetuity - is absolutely bullshit.
It is the most exaggerated event in history. Too many things about the "official story" don't add up. The death toll keeps going up, the manners of killing reported are absolutely cartoonishy unrealistic, investigation is criminalized. Oh, and the more people hear about Weimar, the more they may start to think the Germans had a point.
And you know what else would explain so many dead? Lack of food and medicine after the Allies broke the supply lines. More Germans died from that alone than Jews in camps, and you think they'd prioritize the camps for supplies in such a scenario?
In a denial argument, always ask "What about it am I denying?" They'll never keep up with that.
Are you telling there were no eagles and bears and sinking electro-floors that turned Jews into ashes in an efficient manner during a brutal two-front war?
Nor were there mine cars that were automated to toss their human cargos into giant furnaces.
At least tell me the maturation machines were real
It's my fetish.
Do you think they kept any of the masturbation machines around?
NGL, if they were real and I could afford it, it would be a cool conversation starter at parties.
What kind of parties do you have? "Hello, welcome, have some canapes and chiraz, by the by, this is my waffen-jerker-3000!"?
The Germans absolutely had a point I mean look at the aftermath of what happens when we bend the knee to these degenerates even just a little. Genocide is such a no no topic but there are legitimate arguments that it could be used to eliminate disease and increase quality of life. The fact that you can’t even discuss it is so stupid, like I’ll gladly argue with anyone over anything no matter how blatantly stupid because you are entitled to your opinion. Thats your god given right to speak your mind.
Does a world without AIDS where everyone looks like supermodels sound like such a bad idea in concept?
I mean, look at the POW Camps in the South at the end of the Civil War.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War_prison_camps
When regular citizens are starving, when the army is starving, then it only stands to reason that the prisoners of war will be dead from starvation. Add disease into that scenario and you have a recipe for millions of people dead.
It's just another thing, isn't it? Can't actually have a discussion about it because the crazies on both sides come out. It's entirely possible millions of jews were rounded up, put in labor camps, submitted to hellish conditions... and died like many prisoners of war do, especially on the losing side. It's still genocidal, but it's a little less maniacal, and we can't ever have that.
None of that is true.
The death toll has gone down after being researched. Autschwitz alone was identified by the Soviets as having killed as many as 4 million from some back-of-the-napkin math. The commandant claimed it was 3, then revised it down to 2.1. Looking into the actual records kept regarding the movements of train passengers, and who was kept in place and who were transited to other locations, it looks to be about 1.1 million.
The Frei Korps were the only ones to have a point. The National Socialists were Socialists who were replicating the same problem. They were just keeping the degeneracy in-house.
More nonsense. American POW camps by 1945 had become only slightly better than most concentration camps, and yet there is no record of American or Soviet death rates as high as the extermination camps indicated. The fact that the living quarters of the prison staff were still well kept shows a priority of care and intentional neglect at the best of times. People starve over days, they don't tend to die by the thousands in less than an hour.
More than that, the food problems in Germany were of the Socialists own creation, not by the allies. They had food problems in 1942 from centrally planned agriculture. They simply seized all available food from occupied countries until those populations were already intentionally starved into submission, as happened in Poland and Greece.
The very point of whatever starvation did happen, it was done as intentionally as it was done in the Holodomor. The Germans, whether military or civilian, were never kept in the level of emaciated states that POWs were regularly found in by the end of the war, let alone the state jews were found in.
You're denying reality by ignoring the near limitless physical, logistical, and actuarial evidence in favor of some hypothesis you made up without knowing any available context at all. It's motivated reasoning. Nothing more, never will be.
You want an argument that that people have trouble keeping up with? How come the fucking Nazis never denied the Holocaust. There were only two excuses: "I didn't know" and "I had to". The Nuremburg Trials lasted for years, someone could have made that argument, they never did. Just you lot.
Wasn’t it later found that pretty much every German who testified in those trials was tortured?
I believe testicular crushing was common form of torture
LOL. Fucking no. Where did you get any of that?
Again, we have the accounts of the prisoners. Goering, Hess, Speer, and even the Commandant of Auschwitz never spoke about being tortured. Journalists met with them publicly. Goering was able to kill himself because he got so friendly with a guard.
Even the Soviets didn't tend to torture any of the primary actors. They just either killed them outright, or used them as a prop and intentionally kept them alive and well fed, and then publicly prosecuted under the soviet judiciary. They infamously tortured a Polish intelligence officer who had gone to Autchwitz voluntarily and revealed the mass murder to the allies, because he was a Polish Nationalist before the war, and they didn't want him gaining any more friends and allies because he was an absolute Chad even before the war.
As for the German POW's, Speer writes how cushy it got:
From Albert Speer's memoirs, pg. 505:
I will also remind you that many of the Socialist officers and agents were acquitted of their charges because they hadn't participated in crimes against humanity (much to the soviet's annoyance).
Was it really very bad though? It's definitely not 6 million bad
It was very bad - but much of human history was very bad. The Holocaust is given special treatment because the victims were the ancestors of the ethnic demo that now disproportionately influences media, education, and government. There’s no reason why young third world students in Africa should be focusing on a genocide that happened 75 years ago and a world away, and yet this specific education is somehow a priority in 2024. The narcissism and solipsism of this behavior is completely fucking insufferable, and it is made infinitely worse by the fact that simply calling this shit out is grounds for social and financial ruin at the hands of that same ethnic demo.
I meant what do you mean by very bad, much of the accounts have been exaggerated if not outright fabricated, from number of deaths to the various rube Goldberg slaughter machines that they miraculously survived multiple times, if you look at the reasonable death estimates and causes, dying from starvation and typhoid in labor camps wasn't really that bad compared to everything else going on during the war where whole cities were firebombed or even nuked
Over 5 million German soldiers died during WW2 and over 11 million Soviet Union soldiers died as well. But why do those numbers get ignored over the 6 million we are supposed to feel bad for and still pay reparations for to this day? Over 75 million deaths over the war and the touchiest subject of them all is where a certain 8% of that number died? Just seems weird to me
They had a Ferris wheel how bad could it be?
What else would you expect of a handshake?
It was actually six BILLION!
You're right, it was higher. We shouldn't just look at only jewish deaths.
no, it didn't.
population censuses from before and after the war don't correlate to the lie. putting maternity wards and swimming pools into "death camps" doesn't correlate to the lie. countless jews admitting they lied about being in the camps to steal money from Germany doesn't correlate to the lie.
wake the fuck up you NPC
Also, blaming the country involved for something their great great grandparents did as if they personally did it.
... but enough about slavery reparations.
And don't forget that the Russians and the Japanese killed MORE people than the Nazis killed Jews, but those little factoids are swept under the rug.
I'm getting a kick out of this. The left is turning full 4chan.
Golem x The Sorcerer's Apprentice ;)
Every leftist protest movement since at least the 90s always ends up becoming a Free Palestine movement, they simply can't stop thinking about it.
Enemy of my enemy isn't always my friend. The left created a coalition centered around hatred of White Men. These are groups that hate each other and are only united by the bigotry they project about.
I'm not on either side of the Israel Palestine bullshit (honestly I say we cut all aid and let them sort it out themselves, only making sure Israel doesn't nuke anything as a rage quit). But the Democrats want to court both jews and muslims and it only works when they aren't in a hot war with each other.
The enemy of my enemy is a useful tool that can be directed for my benefit.
A part of me wonders if the reason this is happening now is due to cognitive dissonance surrounding covid.
They were told one thing, then told ANOTHER thing, then something else, then something completely different, all the while told to 'trust the experts' and wear the mask, bigot.
And while it's completely verboten to dare talk ill of the Holy Saint Fauci, peace be unto him, when this entire kerfuffle rolled around, the crossed wires in their brain short-circuited and went 'Wait a minute...'
Nah, the left has been pro-Muslim and anti-Jewish for a lot longer than Covid. They couldn't publicly state it before because "muh antisemitism" and because they've been using it as a weapon against the right, but it's been fermenting for a long time. See the BDS movement for example.
It's just that Muslims are now reaching critical mass and they can be much more open about it.
Dont forget Occupy Wall Street.
Was basically a bunch of leftists open air debating against legit businessmen and eventually realizing they weren't the intended target. Then when it became clear who "the 1%" were the movement was dissolved.
being anti israel is not the same as being anti jewish. Sinfest for example is very anti jewish and the anti israel leftists hate him for that .they will keep saying things like "you can be against israel's genocide without being antisemitic you bigot"
Anti-BDS legislature is always good, because it's one of the very few official tools that gets used exclusively against leftists who have low impulse control.
(it's the same thing)
Ay, Tone
The Holocaust happened, but the vast majority of what happened is blown way out of proportion. The Nazis were meticulous bookkeepers and there is NO record of 6 million Jews being killed in concentration camps. It's closer to about 1.5 million, which is still not a good look, but it's not 6 million.
In short, fuck off JIDF. Israel is a terrorist state and uses their fake Holocaust numbers to garner sympathy.
i believe it didn't happen at all. Why did i come to that conclusion? when i saw zionists making lies about how Assad was using chemical weapons against civilians when he had already given all of it up to America. And how zionists kept claiming this shit whenever he was on the verge of winning anything. And i was like. "Oh wow they are doing this shit again huh?"
They lie. They've always lied. And they project massively, many crimes they accuse others of they are the ones that are actually guilty of it
I mean, I would agree with you, but my grandpa literally helped liberate a concentration camp. The numbers are definitely highly skewed though and they've been using it as an excuse since then.
i dont deny there were concentration camps, i just dont believe the gas chambers bullshit
Oh nah, the gas chambers are made up.
If there were concentration camps then the US must have killed 7 million Japanese
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Fuck off, we all already know you're JIDF. Considering that I got 31 upvotes from that comment, I think it's safe to see we all agree with me and think your Jewish propaganda is bullshit.
Oh, you got 31 updoots?
The people have spoken, bro. Get ratio'd
1.5 million is barely more than what was accounted for at Auschwitz. The reason there's no record of 6 million jews being killed at concentration caps because there are more than one type of camp. Work camps, concertation camps, and extermination camps. Even then, the mass executions started before there were any camps; both in mass shootings and gas trucks.
If the number was as low as 1.5 million it wouldn't explain Poland being fucking emptied of jews. And why only jewish neighborhoods were utterly depopulated down to zero in some cases.
Not knowing anything about the Holocaust is not a reason to reject it.
With JIDF like you around, I wish he DID kill 6 million Jews.
You already wished that it was 25 million. Stop lying.
Knowing how things work, do you really think the number hasn't been exaggerated at all?
The Soviets exaggerated it initially because they didn't care. They just wanted to score propaganda points and pretend they weren't committing mass rape as a weapon of terror (or that they had conducted their own wholesale extermination of the Polish intelligentsia). Over time, we've been able to get more accurate measurements on the reality of the mass executions, mostly because the Soviet grip on information was lost and we can actually do a proper analysis of the data.
Besides, the way the allies had to count the initial people killed in the concentration and extermination camps was physical. Yes some extermination camps (like Auschwitz and Dachau) cremated people who had been killed. But there were tons of mass graves anyway. Bodies moved with bulldozers. The Americans dug up tons of mass graves, then re-interred them by counting them. They would dig out lye pits in squares and bury them hundreds to thousands at a time, sometimes stacking pits on top of each other. So you could have a mass grave of 5 thousand at the bottom, then bury it (but not to the top), then start smaller mass graves on top of that, then bury those, then do it again. Three was the highest I found, which suggests these would have been deep pits. The Americans explicitly labeled these pits with the exact counts in each one.
The argument about the number of people killed in the holocaust is becoming more and more about categorization than evidence. Do you count non-jewish Polish or Danish soldiers who were mass executed as part of an ethnic cleansing? In the end, the mass graves and de-populated towns speak for themselves that this is a fucking stunning amount of murder.
I'm starting to hear 7 million lol
The number of "survivors" keeps climbing every year, too. I wonder why? Could it be that it's just a bunch of liars lying so they can get eternal gibs from Germany, to the tune of billions every year? Nah, that can't be it.
They'll all be 150 years old someday, lol. Luckily nobody but boomers and Christians seem to want to serve them, though.
It's like that saying about going broke. At first it happens slowly, then all at once
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According to talmud 6 million must die in a holy fire for them to return to the holy land. They try to fool God with a fake holocaust.
Reported lol. Im pointing to the book that i didnt write. This is like libs of tiktok kvetching
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The kvetching in the comments is unreal.
A lot of people (and bots) fear the holocaust realist.
Small hats and towel heads should fight to the death to determine it's realness
Textile sales in shambles.
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Looks like all those years of playing the 'fellow whites' card while at the same time pushing education standards that denounce whites as inherently evil has begun to backfire.
SHUT IT DOWN!
I’m not gonna sit here and pretend I know for sure that the Holocaust didn’t actually happen, but when your best “evidence” are things that could easily be faked and eyewitness testimonies that have been extremely inconsistent…
Questioning it should be encouraged as a learning opportunity if anything, the fact that it is one of the most touchy subjects out there is pretty suspect. You can make 9/11 jokes all day, but make one holocaust joke and you’ll be hit with a mountain of hate.
It annoys me that they both have a point and wrap it on complete shit.
Being unable to fully talk about a subject, especially a historical one, naturally invites doubt over if it truly happened the way it was reported and this can lead to doubts it even happened despite evidence.
The shit that covers this actual issue, is the 'FreePalestine' crap as this was more a 'fuck around and found out' event as I don't remember Jews assaulting in paragliders and technicals to murder and kidnap germans into an area where a concentration camp would be to get annihilated by Nazis in response.
I think the attack was known to happen beforehand but with a compromised 5 eyes with Iranian sympathisers it was worse on casualties than expected.
This ruined not only Israeli military's image but also Netanyahu's political career so on both regards they went 'fuck it' and decided on decimating Gaza as an example. The surrounding Muslim countries weren't expecting it this bad either but also didn't want Palestinian refugees so kinda went 'no this is awful' but offered little physical assistance.
While in the west, both the Jews in institutions of power and just sheer numbers of Muslims in the countries are both pissed with the right mostly distant from both thanks to prior sidelining mostly staying out of it and the left trapped in wanting to cuck to the Muslims but scared the Jewish institutions will cut off ALL support of their groups.
TDLR; I think it's a shitshow thanks to incompetence.
the casualties were worse because some of the victims were by israeli helicopters shooting at the crowd themselves https://thecradle.co/articles-id/11993
And that's not even talking about how jews put everyone in debt with usury and tanked the entire world economy at the time and everyone was poor as shit.
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Allegations of Judeo-Bolshevism: that communists & jews are one and the same for global domination of the jewish race.
Then starved millions of Germans in the post war.
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Argument of jewish race war against the Germans by sex trafficking.
This may turn out to be the year of epic "Let them fight" bouts. It's going to be an awesome show.
Just remember: "The enemy of my enemy is
my friendstill my enemy".the enemy of my enemy makes for an ally of convenience, but i'll have extra armour on my back because well, they are still an enemy
What a time to be alive
/pol/ is inevitable
We should not tolerate the use of the Holocaust as a bludgeon against the Nazi's enemies and to demand tolerance of the Nazi's allies. So while she has a point, the problem she's identified is that it allows her to exist.
Our most unlikely allies.
Horse shoe theory.
Now questioning? They've rejected it happened since they were sipping champaign with the actual Nazis.
Of course the Holocaust happened - the Nazis were kind enough to record everything they did themselves. They admitted it, you dipshit. They were proud of it.
All of the confessions at Nuremburg were made under duress of torture.
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This seems to be a common thought. It's wrong, but I think he believes it. I'm not even sure there was any Nuremburg defendants who were tortured. None of the higher echelon ones were tortured, for sure. We have their statements, and their physical health in public as testaments to that. Not to mention there were a number of acquittals for people whom were clearly not involved in any of the charges, whether Holocaust related or starting-the-war related.
No order ever recorded authorizing the genocide of jews.
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Anyways, it's hard to tell. Again with the denialists, it's the whole "it didn't happen but it should have" mentality so it's hard to tell the difference between them lying about what they know to have happened, versus if they are actually stupid enough to think it didn't happen, despite advocating for it.