The “official story” - that it was some kind of unique and singular event that must forever serve as the permanent foundational narrative of the entire human species, and that the descendants of its victims must be immune to criticism in perpetuity - is absolutely bullshit.
It is the most exaggerated event in history. Too many things about the "official story" don't add up. The death toll keeps going up, the manners of killing reported are absolutely cartoonishy unrealistic, investigation is criminalized. Oh, and the more people hear about Weimar, the more they may start to think the Germans had a point.
And you know what else would explain so many dead? Lack of food and medicine after the Allies broke the supply lines. More Germans died from that alone than Jews in camps, and you think they'd prioritize the camps for supplies in such a scenario?
In a denial argument, always ask "What about it am I denying?" They'll never keep up with that.
Are you telling there were no eagles and bears and sinking electro-floors that turned Jews into ashes in an efficient manner during a brutal two-front war?
When regular citizens are starving, when the army is starving, then it only stands to reason that the prisoners of war will be dead from starvation. Add disease into that scenario and you have a recipe for millions of people dead.
It's just another thing, isn't it? Can't actually have a discussion about it because the crazies on both sides come out. It's entirely possible millions of jews were rounded up, put in labor camps, submitted to hellish conditions... and died like many prisoners of war do, especially on the losing side. It's still genocidal, but it's a little less maniacal, and we can't ever have that.
The Germans absolutely had a point I mean look at the aftermath of what happens when we bend the knee to these degenerates even just a little. Genocide is such a no no topic but there are legitimate arguments that it could be used to eliminate disease and increase quality of life. The fact that you can’t even discuss it is so stupid, like I’ll gladly argue with anyone over anything no matter how blatantly stupid because you are entitled to your opinion. Thats your god given right to speak your mind.
Does a world without AIDS where everyone looks like supermodels sound like such a bad idea in concept?
The death toll has gone down after being researched. Autschwitz alone was identified by the Soviets as having killed as many as 4 million from some back-of-the-napkin math. The commandant claimed it was 3, then revised it down to 2.1. Looking into the actual records kept regarding the movements of train passengers, and who was kept in place and who were transited to other locations, it looks to be about 1.1 million.
Oh, and the more people hear about Weimar, the more they may start to think the Germans had a point.
The Frei Korps were the only ones to have a point. The National Socialists were Socialists who were replicating the same problem. They were just keeping the degeneracy in-house.
And you know what else would explain so many dead? Lack of food and medicine after the Allies broke the supply lines. More Germans died from that alone than Jews in camps, and you think they'd prioritize the camps for supplies in such a scenario?
More nonsense. American POW camps by 1945 had become only slightly better than most concentration camps, and yet there is no record of American or Soviet death rates as high as the extermination camps indicated. The fact that the living quarters of the prison staff were still well kept shows a priority of care and intentional neglect at the best of times. People starve over days, they don't tend to die by the thousands in less than an hour.
More than that, the food problems in Germany were of the Socialists own creation, not by the allies. They had food problems in 1942 from centrally planned agriculture. They simply seized all available food from occupied countries until those populations were already intentionally starved into submission, as happened in Poland and Greece.
The very point of whatever starvation did happen, it was done as intentionally as it was done in the Holodomor. The Germans, whether military or civilian, were never kept in the level of emaciated states that POWs were regularly found in by the end of the war, let alone the state jews were found in.
"What about it am I denying?"
You're denying reality by ignoring the near limitless physical, logistical, and actuarial evidence in favor of some hypothesis you made up without knowing any available context at all. It's motivated reasoning. Nothing more, never will be.
You want an argument that that people have trouble keeping up with? How come the fucking Nazis never denied the Holocaust. There were only two excuses: "I didn't know" and "I had to". The Nuremburg Trials lasted for years, someone could have made that argument, they never did. Just you lot.
Again, we have the accounts of the prisoners. Goering, Hess, Speer, and even the Commandant of Auschwitz never spoke about being tortured. Journalists met with them publicly. Goering was able to kill himself because he got so friendly with a guard.
Even the Soviets didn't tend to torture any of the primary actors. They just either killed them outright, or used them as a prop and intentionally kept them alive and well fed, and then publicly prosecuted under the soviet judiciary. They infamously tortured a Polish intelligence officer who had gone to Autchwitz voluntarily and revealed the mass murder to the allies, because he was a Polish Nationalist before the war, and they didn't want him gaining any more friends and allies because he was an absolute Chad even before the war.
As for the German POW's, Speer writes how cushy it got:
From Albert Speer's memoirs, pg. 505:
Apparently the surrounding populace believed we were being beaten and starved; rumor had it that Leni Riefenstahl was pining away in the dungeon of the tower. Actually we had been brought to this castle to answer questions on the technical conduct of the war. ... For the rest, we banished boredom by early-morning sports, a series of scientific lectures, and once Schacht recited poetry, giving astonishingly emotional renderings. A weekly cabaret was also conjured up. We watched the performances - the scenes repeatedly dealt with our own situation - and sometimes tears of laughter ran down our faces at the tumble we had taken.
I will also remind you that many of the Socialist officers and agents were acquitted of their charges because they hadn't participated in crimes against humanity (much to the soviet's annoyance).
It was very bad - but much of human history was very bad. The Holocaust is given special treatment because the victims were the ancestors of the ethnic demo that now disproportionately influences media, education, and government. There’s no reason why young third world students in Africa should be focusing on a genocide that happened 75 years ago and a world away, and yet this specific education is somehow a priority in 2024. The narcissism and solipsism of this behavior is completely fucking insufferable, and it is made infinitely worse by the fact that simply calling this shit out is grounds for social and financial ruin at the hands of that same ethnic demo.
I meant what do you mean by very bad, much of the accounts have been exaggerated if not outright fabricated, from number of deaths to the various rube Goldberg slaughter machines that they miraculously survived multiple times, if you look at the reasonable death estimates and causes, dying from starvation and typhoid in labor camps wasn't really that bad compared to everything else going on during the war where whole cities were firebombed or even nuked
Over 5 million German soldiers died during WW2 and over 11 million Soviet Union soldiers died as well. But why do those numbers get ignored over the 6 million we are supposed to feel bad for and still pay reparations for to this day? Over 75 million deaths over the war and the touchiest subject of them all is where a certain 8% of that number died? Just seems weird to me
population censuses from before and after the war don't correlate to the lie. putting maternity wards and swimming pools into "death camps" doesn't correlate to the lie. countless jews admitting they lied about being in the camps to steal money from Germany doesn't correlate to the lie.
The Holocaust happened. It was very bad.
The “official story” - that it was some kind of unique and singular event that must forever serve as the permanent foundational narrative of the entire human species, and that the descendants of its victims must be immune to criticism in perpetuity - is absolutely bullshit.
It is the most exaggerated event in history. Too many things about the "official story" don't add up. The death toll keeps going up, the manners of killing reported are absolutely cartoonishy unrealistic, investigation is criminalized. Oh, and the more people hear about Weimar, the more they may start to think the Germans had a point.
And you know what else would explain so many dead? Lack of food and medicine after the Allies broke the supply lines. More Germans died from that alone than Jews in camps, and you think they'd prioritize the camps for supplies in such a scenario?
In a denial argument, always ask "What about it am I denying?" They'll never keep up with that.
Are you telling there were no eagles and bears and sinking electro-floors that turned Jews into ashes in an efficient manner during a brutal two-front war?
Nor were there mine cars that were automated to toss their human cargos into giant furnaces.
At least tell me the maturation machines were real
It's my fetish.
I mean, look at the POW Camps in the South at the end of the Civil War.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War_prison_camps
When regular citizens are starving, when the army is starving, then it only stands to reason that the prisoners of war will be dead from starvation. Add disease into that scenario and you have a recipe for millions of people dead.
It's just another thing, isn't it? Can't actually have a discussion about it because the crazies on both sides come out. It's entirely possible millions of jews were rounded up, put in labor camps, submitted to hellish conditions... and died like many prisoners of war do, especially on the losing side. It's still genocidal, but it's a little less maniacal, and we can't ever have that.
The Germans absolutely had a point I mean look at the aftermath of what happens when we bend the knee to these degenerates even just a little. Genocide is such a no no topic but there are legitimate arguments that it could be used to eliminate disease and increase quality of life. The fact that you can’t even discuss it is so stupid, like I’ll gladly argue with anyone over anything no matter how blatantly stupid because you are entitled to your opinion. Thats your god given right to speak your mind.
Does a world without AIDS where everyone looks like supermodels sound like such a bad idea in concept?
None of that is true.
The death toll has gone down after being researched. Autschwitz alone was identified by the Soviets as having killed as many as 4 million from some back-of-the-napkin math. The commandant claimed it was 3, then revised it down to 2.1. Looking into the actual records kept regarding the movements of train passengers, and who was kept in place and who were transited to other locations, it looks to be about 1.1 million.
The Frei Korps were the only ones to have a point. The National Socialists were Socialists who were replicating the same problem. They were just keeping the degeneracy in-house.
More nonsense. American POW camps by 1945 had become only slightly better than most concentration camps, and yet there is no record of American or Soviet death rates as high as the extermination camps indicated. The fact that the living quarters of the prison staff were still well kept shows a priority of care and intentional neglect at the best of times. People starve over days, they don't tend to die by the thousands in less than an hour.
More than that, the food problems in Germany were of the Socialists own creation, not by the allies. They had food problems in 1942 from centrally planned agriculture. They simply seized all available food from occupied countries until those populations were already intentionally starved into submission, as happened in Poland and Greece.
The very point of whatever starvation did happen, it was done as intentionally as it was done in the Holodomor. The Germans, whether military or civilian, were never kept in the level of emaciated states that POWs were regularly found in by the end of the war, let alone the state jews were found in.
You're denying reality by ignoring the near limitless physical, logistical, and actuarial evidence in favor of some hypothesis you made up without knowing any available context at all. It's motivated reasoning. Nothing more, never will be.
You want an argument that that people have trouble keeping up with? How come the fucking Nazis never denied the Holocaust. There were only two excuses: "I didn't know" and "I had to". The Nuremburg Trials lasted for years, someone could have made that argument, they never did. Just you lot.
Wasn’t it later found that pretty much every German who testified in those trials was tortured?
I believe testicular crushing was common form of torture
LOL. Fucking no. Where did you get any of that?
Again, we have the accounts of the prisoners. Goering, Hess, Speer, and even the Commandant of Auschwitz never spoke about being tortured. Journalists met with them publicly. Goering was able to kill himself because he got so friendly with a guard.
Even the Soviets didn't tend to torture any of the primary actors. They just either killed them outright, or used them as a prop and intentionally kept them alive and well fed, and then publicly prosecuted under the soviet judiciary. They infamously tortured a Polish intelligence officer who had gone to Autchwitz voluntarily and revealed the mass murder to the allies, because he was a Polish Nationalist before the war, and they didn't want him gaining any more friends and allies because he was an absolute Chad even before the war.
As for the German POW's, Speer writes how cushy it got:
From Albert Speer's memoirs, pg. 505:
I will also remind you that many of the Socialist officers and agents were acquitted of their charges because they hadn't participated in crimes against humanity (much to the soviet's annoyance).
Was it really very bad though? It's definitely not 6 million bad
It was very bad - but much of human history was very bad. The Holocaust is given special treatment because the victims were the ancestors of the ethnic demo that now disproportionately influences media, education, and government. There’s no reason why young third world students in Africa should be focusing on a genocide that happened 75 years ago and a world away, and yet this specific education is somehow a priority in 2024. The narcissism and solipsism of this behavior is completely fucking insufferable, and it is made infinitely worse by the fact that simply calling this shit out is grounds for social and financial ruin at the hands of that same ethnic demo.
I meant what do you mean by very bad, much of the accounts have been exaggerated if not outright fabricated, from number of deaths to the various rube Goldberg slaughter machines that they miraculously survived multiple times, if you look at the reasonable death estimates and causes, dying from starvation and typhoid in labor camps wasn't really that bad compared to everything else going on during the war where whole cities were firebombed or even nuked
Over 5 million German soldiers died during WW2 and over 11 million Soviet Union soldiers died as well. But why do those numbers get ignored over the 6 million we are supposed to feel bad for and still pay reparations for to this day? Over 75 million deaths over the war and the touchiest subject of them all is where a certain 8% of that number died? Just seems weird to me
They had a Ferris wheel how bad could it be?
It was actually six BILLION!
You're right, it was higher. We shouldn't just look at only jewish deaths.
Also, blaming the country involved for something their great great grandparents did as if they personally did it.
... but enough about slavery reparations.
no, it didn't.
population censuses from before and after the war don't correlate to the lie. putting maternity wards and swimming pools into "death camps" doesn't correlate to the lie. countless jews admitting they lied about being in the camps to steal money from Germany doesn't correlate to the lie.
wake the fuck up you NPC
And don't forget that the Russians and the Japanese killed MORE people than the Nazis killed Jews, but those little factoids are swept under the rug.