The death toll has gone down after being researched. Autschwitz alone was identified by the Soviets as having killed as many as 4 million from some back-of-the-napkin math. The commandant claimed it was 3, then revised it down to 2.1. Looking into the actual records kept regarding the movements of train passengers, and who was kept in place and who were transited to other locations, it looks to be about 1.1 million.
Oh, and the more people hear about Weimar, the more they may start to think the Germans had a point.
The Frei Korps were the only ones to have a point. The National Socialists were Socialists who were replicating the same problem. They were just keeping the degeneracy in-house.
And you know what else would explain so many dead? Lack of food and medicine after the Allies broke the supply lines. More Germans died from that alone than Jews in camps, and you think they'd prioritize the camps for supplies in such a scenario?
More nonsense. American POW camps by 1945 had become only slightly better than most concentration camps, and yet there is no record of American or Soviet death rates as high as the extermination camps indicated. The fact that the living quarters of the prison staff were still well kept shows a priority of care and intentional neglect at the best of times. People starve over days, they don't tend to die by the thousands in less than an hour.
More than that, the food problems in Germany were of the Socialists own creation, not by the allies. They had food problems in 1942 from centrally planned agriculture. They simply seized all available food from occupied countries until those populations were already intentionally starved into submission, as happened in Poland and Greece.
The very point of whatever starvation did happen, it was done as intentionally as it was done in the Holodomor. The Germans, whether military or civilian, were never kept in the level of emaciated states that POWs were regularly found in by the end of the war, let alone the state jews were found in.
"What about it am I denying?"
You're denying reality by ignoring the near limitless physical, logistical, and actuarial evidence in favor of some hypothesis you made up without knowing any available context at all. It's motivated reasoning. Nothing more, never will be.
You want an argument that that people have trouble keeping up with? How come the fucking Nazis never denied the Holocaust. There were only two excuses: "I didn't know" and "I had to". The Nuremburg Trials lasted for years, someone could have made that argument, they never did. Just you lot.
Again, we have the accounts of the prisoners. Goering, Hess, Speer, and even the Commandant of Auschwitz never spoke about being tortured. Journalists met with them publicly. Goering was able to kill himself because he got so friendly with a guard.
Even the Soviets didn't tend to torture any of the primary actors. They just either killed them outright, or used them as a prop and intentionally kept them alive and well fed, and then publicly prosecuted under the soviet judiciary. They infamously tortured a Polish intelligence officer who had gone to Autchwitz voluntarily and revealed the mass murder to the allies, because he was a Polish Nationalist before the war, and they didn't want him gaining any more friends and allies because he was an absolute Chad even before the war.
As for the German POW's, Speer writes how cushy it got:
From Albert Speer's memoirs, pg. 505:
Apparently the surrounding populace believed we were being beaten and starved; rumor had it that Leni Riefenstahl was pining away in the dungeon of the tower. Actually we had been brought to this castle to answer questions on the technical conduct of the war. ... For the rest, we banished boredom by early-morning sports, a series of scientific lectures, and once Schacht recited poetry, giving astonishingly emotional renderings. A weekly cabaret was also conjured up. We watched the performances - the scenes repeatedly dealt with our own situation - and sometimes tears of laughter ran down our faces at the tumble we had taken.
I will also remind you that many of the Socialist officers and agents were acquitted of their charges because they hadn't participated in crimes against humanity (much to the soviet's annoyance).
None of that is true.
The death toll has gone down after being researched. Autschwitz alone was identified by the Soviets as having killed as many as 4 million from some back-of-the-napkin math. The commandant claimed it was 3, then revised it down to 2.1. Looking into the actual records kept regarding the movements of train passengers, and who was kept in place and who were transited to other locations, it looks to be about 1.1 million.
The Frei Korps were the only ones to have a point. The National Socialists were Socialists who were replicating the same problem. They were just keeping the degeneracy in-house.
More nonsense. American POW camps by 1945 had become only slightly better than most concentration camps, and yet there is no record of American or Soviet death rates as high as the extermination camps indicated. The fact that the living quarters of the prison staff were still well kept shows a priority of care and intentional neglect at the best of times. People starve over days, they don't tend to die by the thousands in less than an hour.
More than that, the food problems in Germany were of the Socialists own creation, not by the allies. They had food problems in 1942 from centrally planned agriculture. They simply seized all available food from occupied countries until those populations were already intentionally starved into submission, as happened in Poland and Greece.
The very point of whatever starvation did happen, it was done as intentionally as it was done in the Holodomor. The Germans, whether military or civilian, were never kept in the level of emaciated states that POWs were regularly found in by the end of the war, let alone the state jews were found in.
You're denying reality by ignoring the near limitless physical, logistical, and actuarial evidence in favor of some hypothesis you made up without knowing any available context at all. It's motivated reasoning. Nothing more, never will be.
You want an argument that that people have trouble keeping up with? How come the fucking Nazis never denied the Holocaust. There were only two excuses: "I didn't know" and "I had to". The Nuremburg Trials lasted for years, someone could have made that argument, they never did. Just you lot.
Wasn’t it later found that pretty much every German who testified in those trials was tortured?
I believe testicular crushing was common form of torture
LOL. Fucking no. Where did you get any of that?
Again, we have the accounts of the prisoners. Goering, Hess, Speer, and even the Commandant of Auschwitz never spoke about being tortured. Journalists met with them publicly. Goering was able to kill himself because he got so friendly with a guard.
Even the Soviets didn't tend to torture any of the primary actors. They just either killed them outright, or used them as a prop and intentionally kept them alive and well fed, and then publicly prosecuted under the soviet judiciary. They infamously tortured a Polish intelligence officer who had gone to Autchwitz voluntarily and revealed the mass murder to the allies, because he was a Polish Nationalist before the war, and they didn't want him gaining any more friends and allies because he was an absolute Chad even before the war.
As for the German POW's, Speer writes how cushy it got:
From Albert Speer's memoirs, pg. 505:
I will also remind you that many of the Socialist officers and agents were acquitted of their charges because they hadn't participated in crimes against humanity (much to the soviet's annoyance).