I just found a new gold mine of point and laugh at the retard material. It's r/datingoverthirty, and of course they ban red pill and MGTOW content, so it's just a bunch of low value feminists jerking each other off. You have to love how all the positives she describes in women are at best irrelevant to male attraction and at worst turn offs, which some of the saner comments further down point out. Those women should be looking for wives instead. There's a limit on the amount of sanity of course, so the tranny jannies running the place locked the thread when too many red pills got dropped. Anyway, quote time:
I went to two events (a group stranger dinner and speed dating) in sf and found mostly awkward males, myself probably included, but also equally lonely and conventionally unattractive woman - you’d think it’d be a good match ha. On the complete other spectrum you had stunning men and woman.
Translation, it's full of men and women of about the same SMV level. But the women don't want the men at their level because they feel entitled to Chad despite being nothing special themselves. The only exceptions are Chads looking for an easy lay, and they're rare because they can get that anywhere.
Advice on Reddit is always "go join a meetup or do a single event". Y'all filled these events up with awkward Reddit dudes and are now complaining.
It's funny because it's true. Only a Faggitor would believe that a guy who's unsuccessful in every other medium just needs to meet more people. Meeting people only works if you're attractive to begin with.
Also, once you're in your late 30s/early 40s, the decent men that are still single by choice don't tend to want to settle down at the same rate that women do at that same age. ... Singles mixers are more geared towards finding a partner than finding a hookup; there will be more decent women there looking for a partner and a bunch of desperate guys looking for... anything. So it will look like a bunch of duds.
In other words the tiny percentage of men that they're actually attracted to are either dating younger women or are just fuckbois. Even the well to do betas are scarce because they've spent the last decade and a half being told how unwanted they are, so they dropped out entirely.
I’m a mid 30s man, who by all definitions would have his shit together. High paying job, my own house, work out, wear ironed clothes that fit when I go out, 5’11, have all my hair, go to therapy.
Lol, get a load of this guy. He starts by describing attributes that would be useful for a beta hunter looking for someone to financially rape, but nothing about attractiveness. Then he says he's 5' 11'', which almost kills his chances of being alphafux on its own since he's just shy of the magic 6' mark. Then he says he goes to therapy, which confirms that he's a retarded simp who believes the obvious horseshit that feminists peddle to get men to go to therapy so they'll be more pliant betas for women to enslave and divorce rape.
Most of the men have not been married, but most of the woman had already been married and had children. This created a mismatch of what the men and women were looking for.
Oh, now we're getting closer to the truth. Women who spent 20 years getting dicked by Chad and Tyrone are desperately hunting for some chump to pay for their bad choices.
This guy gets it. The women at the events might think they're above the men, but on an objective basis they're not. The people who attend those events can't find dates anywhere else, so the men and women are at a similar level. The women will never face this reality because feminism has taught them that dating a sub-Chad is a fate worse than death. And for the crime of not being Chad, the men have to deal with a post wall boss bitch who will take over their life before divorce raping them. The smarter ones in the male group have already dropped out, so the women are left with pathetic losers who have no self respect whatsoever. It serves them right for deciding that being a wife and mother is beneath them.
Hoeflation is real and is killing Western civilization. Two or three generations ago, these women would have been told from about age 5 that they needed to settle down with a good man and make babies.
These days, you have to go to specific communities to even find women who think that marriage and children are worthwhile. Oddly enough, the women there tend to be hotter...
Cultures that still fat shame are* able to produce attractive women. There is obviously more to it, but that is a cornerstone of if they are crazy or not, because everyone knows it is shameful to be fat.
It's funny because it's true. Only a Faggitor would believe that a guy who's unsuccessful in every other medium just needs to meet more people. Meeting people only works if you're attractive to begin with.
This could work, if you actually do understand your SMV. I know a guy who's a zero, who just married another zero. You do have to meet more people, but you also have to meet people who are actually at your level.
People adore bringing out that one statistical outlier they know - the fat/ugly guy that somehow slays with women and/or has a good relationship.
They're either lying, or
they're ignoring the fact that said guy likely has a metric shitton of social skills to counteract the fact that they're lacking in other departments.
Meeting people is good for polishing social skills, because it's a skill, and skills can be learned, but people rarely phrase it that way - they push it as a cure-all to try and play the odds.
A zero-zero example isn't an outlier, it's normal. People match with similar attractiveness.
I will say, he's good at social skills, and is the most social person in my friend group (I'm actually the objectively worst). She's pretty bad with social skills, but she loves being a woman of simple tastes and joys. She is already unable to be independent as it is for a litany of reasons.
Relationships aren't about what is positions in objective reality. It's just about what you have in reference to the other person. You might have poor social skills as a man, but if they are significantly better than hers, that's a win for her.
Also on the flipside of the coin, it is very rare to find a person who genuinely has no attractive features, like the Elephant Man or something. There are a lot of 5/10 men and women who can be attractive to each other. I think people understand this more the farther you get from major cities.
5/10s also usually understand "I'm not perfect." A major problem once you hit the higher attractiveness setting is that when faced with criticism or asked to adapt, said hottie will simply say "nah I got a line waiting outside for their chance, bye."
Whereas an average person most of the time will be willing to adapt to better fit your side of the coin to compliment and end up more attractive to you for it.
Of course, society has turned even 5/10 girls completely delusional and thereby to reach the level where they are willing to act like an average idiot you need to reach down to the 3/10 level, but that's another issue.
In fairness, it could be a 1:1 or a 1:0 relationship. He's smarter and more social than her. His utility to her is astronomical, compared to what she could do by herself. On the other hand, she genuinely loves him and makes him happy and appreciated, and he wasn't gonna get that from many other people.
It's a win-win for them because you don't have relationships based on objective scores, they are all based on subjectivity and relativity.
They're probably never gonna have any, but they bring fulfillment into each other's lives, so that's more than enough for the two of them. They've had a rough life as it is.
Chad is just shorthand for the top men that women choose for looks instead of demanding glorified prostitution arrangements. Dumb gym bro certainly fits the bill if he's good looking enough.
I'd say, seeing its use arise on incel type spaces in the late-00s/early-10s, it originally was a term of derision before The Red Pill really broke into prominence on the net.
I can see why there would be some holdouts still using it derogatorily but I don't think it's a healthy practice in the long run as the feeling behind its use in that way is suffused with envy. No different from the geeky loser in high school complaining about the "dumb jocks" (who he'd probably find aren't so dumb if he talked to them) on the school's ____team getting all the attention. The envy is bad for the soul, and the mindset bad for the progress he could make.
It certainly has different connotations depending on the space. I believe the incels still use it as a derogatory term, while red pillers see it as something to emulate. I use it the way MGTOW uses it: largely as a descriptor without value judgements.
Most of the men have not been married, but most of the woman had already been married and had children. This created a mismatch of what the men and women were looking for.
This is why men marry women way younger than them...
A man that meets the 6-6-6 criteria would be in the top 0.41% of the male population. You're just setting yourself up for failure if you think your princess ass "deserves" such an Adonis, and in your thirties to boot.
Edit: Or go to igotstandardsbro.com and play with the Female Delusion Calculator yourself.
Apex fallacy. Those 1 to 10 percent of men these women are paying attention to are the only ones they actually notice - the rest of men are basically invisible to them, so they never take them into account.
To use a spicy comparison, it's why alot of FtM trannies tend to collide head-first with reality when suddenly the metaphorical shoe is on the other foot - they expected to be treated like that top 10 percent because the top ten percent where the only men they ever paid attention to. Only to find that no one gives a shit about them any more and they're basically invisible to society at large.
Its why people can't get Leonardo DiCaprio's name out of their mouth.
He is openly proving what we all know. That a peak male will just fuck hot young sluts, then replace them as their usage wears out. He can do literally whatever he wants and has zero reason to settle for a girl with even a single flaw.
The problem with those "calculators" is that these are not independent variables.
Taller people do tend to be smarter and more successful. You can't just multiply a bunch of codependent probabilities, get a small number, and say, "that's basically impossible!" because then you end up with situations like my (large) extended family where nearly all of the men meet those criteria, defying all "odds".
That said, unless you somehow have a comprehensive, government-funded study into delusional female dating standards that will hurt their precious fee-fees, this is the best we got.
That OkCupid study was just a viral version of one that has been repeated in Psychology many times in the past. We went over it during my undergrad well over a decade ago and before OkCupid started doing its famous blogposts.
Its been consistent every time. Men create a pretty normal bell curve of attractiveness, women create a lopsided monstrosity where basically every man is a 3/10.
A fun factoid I remember from one of those studies is they did another version both with and without a person's job/income under the picture. Men barely changed their numbers (and only did so for "slutty" type jobs) while women did what you'd expect and started fluffing richer or fancier jobbed men up.
the woman posting is just starting to get the concept of pre-selection, but she stops short of introspection.
i went to one of these once. some coworkers were really pushing as it was a charity event and one of the girls' friends was an organizer.
never again.
not saying any of this to brag, more just a field report so you also know not to waste your time. i'm tall and over 6 figures, do pretty well with women. the only girls there above a 4 were my coworker (a solid 7) and the organizer (9 when she's done up). all the rest of the women there were fat as fuck. morbidly obese.
think about it this way... men are the hunters, women the hunted. every woman who is a 5 and up is hit on constantly wherever she goes. there are just too many men in the game. the grocery store, the library, the park. some guy will chat her up. if a woman has to go out of her way to signal that she's single, it means she's so unattractive that guys are not chatting her up naturally. if a woman has to really work that hard to put herself out there, she's basically a sickly doe that even the newbies and bad hunters don't want. she's just that undesirable.
i hung out with the organizer and my coworker, and had a couple of ham planets following me around like lost puppies. i left after an hour to smash a girl from bumble. i don't shit where i eat so i never banged a coworker, but a week later i was already plowing that organizer. eventually, she tells me the fact that i left really got her going, and she wanted to leave her own event with me.
the women in this post are fucking oblivious. notice how they keep describing women, and attractive/skinny/hot/desirable are never among the words used. they're quick to bash the men in attendance as unworthy, but never engage in introspection that asks what they can do to better their odds, and why they as the hunted have to go out of their way to be hunted. well, it's because the hunters don't want them.
i hung out with the organizer and my coworker, and had a couple of ham planets following me around like lost puppies. i left after an hour to smash a girl from bumble. i don't shit where i eat so i never banged a coworker, but a week later i was already plowing that organizer. eventually, she tells me the fact that i left really got her going, and she wanted to leave her own event with me.
i don't shit where i eat so i never banged a coworker, but a week later i was already plowing that organizer. eventually, she tells me the fact that i left really got her going, and she wanted to leave her own event with me.
I suppose this is mostly just down to the fact that you postured: "I'm more valuable than everyone at this event, and I have minium standards to meet" followed by her reasoning of: "WAIT He thinks he's more valuable than me??? I'm the most attractive person here, and a bunch of the other women were interested in him!"
they're quick to bash the men in attendance as unworthy, but never engage in introspection that asks what they can do to better their odds, and why they as the hunted have to go out of their way to be hunted. well, it's because the hunters don't want them.
It's more like they are describing men as simply mediocre, but not putting enough work in for their attention. Meanwhile the women are putting a ton of work for attention, but don't really want it... because the men are already looking for them.
I make the equivalent of 6 figures in my state and theres zero chance I'd be looking for an older woman in her 30s much less a redditor. Social media is making women delusional.
And/or women end up in a cycle of blaming others for their own flaws and mistakes and bitching about it non-stop.
Or they find other weird outlets they can blame it on instead, as almost a form of self sabotage. Pretty sure a family member of mine resorted to an eating disorder just to avoid acknowledging her own failure at appealing to her dates. And she's not fat or harpy-like either, just very boring and lacking in personality.
I remember I went to a singles mixer thing in my city. It was full of average looking dudes and old fat ugly women. I think I made a round, realized not a single attractive woman was there and then left. It was exactly what I expected but I just felt like I needed to confirm so I could say to myself that I got a firsthand account.
The women, overwhelmingly, are vibrant, well-dressed and put together, dynamic, mostly seem to have easy conversation. I click up with the other women really easily on shared interest and personality, they are interesting and explore life. Worldly experience, successful careers, strong friend groups, hobbies, interests, etc.
Nothing but red flags here. Best case scenario these women have nothing to offer men that they can't get from male friends without the female additional cost.
Unfortunately for the men, the women have the sympathy and ear of Governments in the west and we are now seeing the first tentative steps of legislation being brought in to deal with such men, starting in Scotland.
The men, on the other hand, on average just seem to lack the “it” factor. Not poorly dressed or drab, but meh. Often kind of boring, to be honest. Not great with conversation — though they try. Don’t seem particularly interesting.
Basically: men that are perfectly reasonable to start a relationship with, but she doesn't want to because she doesn't really understand how to build a relationship, and she doesn't want to work at building one.
She wants to be "swept off her feet" by a rich, powerful, socialite that she was told would be available for her at the end of her career. In reality, she found successful men who were successful, not because they were inherently excellent, but because they worked more than socialized, and come off slightly awkward.
And that shit's just an absolute no-go. If she's not wet, then out the door with you.
Think about it, when have you ever had a woman actually start a conversation with you unprompted for the past 20 years? On a rare occasion you do get a chatty woman who is pretty outgoing but when it comes to a lot of women they really are full of shit on this point.
Well, a decently attractive woman did do this after divine liturgy a few weeks back and we talk after services now, I'll probably try to see where things go. It's a smaller parish with basically everyone else already married so I was lowkey surprised.
Outside of that, I got the unprompted conversations before I put 70lbs of fat on lol (which, I've lost about 45lbs of so far). I hear things are muuuch better outside the US but here you generally have to follow Rules 1 & 2 and I can personally attest to that after seeing things from both sides.
Agreed, I'd say in general if a man isn't attractive he has to do the lion's share of any engaging and generally should be wary of unprompted active engagement from women.
Eh, depending on my mood I'd probably say even attractive men should be wary of that. I generally think women who actively pursue are either trying to work an angle or have some sort of underlying issue (e.g., BPD). Unsure of whether that says more about me than them or not and I'd be surprised if there's relevant literature on the topic.
Another factor making things confusing is that there really are no cut-and-dry social norms these days. What is an invitation from one is a sexual harassment allegation from another and the young men receive a torrent of conflicting messages complicating an already complex social environment.
The days of a woman "accidentally" dropping a handkerchief in front of the man she's interested in are long dead and gone.
During undergrad I'd have plenty start talking to me even though my mood was shit and my demeanor would be that of a pissed off racoon. I actually wish I'd have not been as depressed as I was and actually returned the attention but I didn't care to date at the time.
I'm not even out of my 20s now but trying to find a not shit woman seems like a herculean tasks now
The women, overwhelmingly, are vibrant, well-dressed and put together, dynamic, mostly seem to have easy conversation. I click up with the other women really easily on shared interest and personality, they are interesting and explore life. Worldly experience, successful careers, strong friend groups, hobbies, interests, etc.
Fucking LOL
Traveling to Europe once doesn't make you worldly.
You're fat and ugly. Otherwise you wouldn't need to attend these events because men would be approaching you all the time.
The women, overwhelmingly, are vibrant, well-dressed and put together, dynamic, mostly seem to have easy conversation. I click up with the other women really easily on shared interest and personality, they are interesting and explore life. Worldly experience, successful careers, strong friend groups, hobbies, interests, etc.
Best part about this small block of text is that it doesn't even tell you anything about someone. It's all very general word use, which ironically groups them all together as a single, bland concept.
Yeah and it isn't surprising that a group of hippos are able to have an "easy conversation" with each other. The entire thing is delusional and it's no wonder she's single.
This is also why they have a massive in group preference for other women - they are unionizing so they never have to settle for a man at their actual level.
I put it as: "Women are literally magical creatures", which is a reductive way of saying: they are exclusively operating on a meta-physical plane. Even with the whole 6-6-6 nonsense, it really is just nonsense. That's their material standard for someone they are not actually attracted to. If they are attracted to you, that all goes out the window because they are not operating on a material frame. They don't actually care about your income, your height, or even if you are all that well kempt. They are looking to see if you can cover their emotional needs, provide them a sense of security/grounding/protection, and make them feel socially valued.
They are looking to see if you can cover their emotional needs, provide them a sense of security/grounding/protection, and make them feel socially valued.
Even that's irrelevant, as a legion of thuggish boyfriends with an unbroken chain of broken hoes can attest to.
Literally, as long as you make her pussy vibrate she will work backwards to make up other reasons why you are a great catch. You already having those qualities just makes it a bonus.
I disagree that it's irrelevant because most women do not have this:
legion of thuggish boyfriends with an unbroken chain of broken hoes can attest to.
Plenty of former boyfriends who are never coming back, and plenty of women who haven't had more than a couple sexual partners in a year. That's not so common at 20, but it's a lot more common at 30.
You already having those qualities just makes it a bonus.
IMO, I think you might have the causation backwards. It's those qualities that are causing the tingling.
It doesn't matter if "most" don't have it. What matters is that its a successful enough character to not have considerable trouble keeping a relationship.
Which means that you don't need to go above and beyond with things like "security" and "valued." Making them irrelevant for someone who simply wishes to boil women down to the most basic of bases.
IMO, I think you might have the causation backwards.
Disagree. Because you can literally see it happening in abusive relationships in real time as they begin to change reality itself to turn a man's faults into positives. And "abusive" relationships are only that way because they go somewhat over the line with qualities those women were attracted to in the first place. An extreme on what they liked at a moderate.
I just found a new gold mine of point and laugh at the retard material. It's r/datingoverthirty, and of course they ban red pill and MGTOW content, so it's just a bunch of low value feminists jerking each other off. You have to love how all the positives she describes in women are at best irrelevant to male attraction and at worst turn offs, which some of the saner comments further down point out. Those women should be looking for wives instead. There's a limit on the amount of sanity of course, so the tranny jannies running the place locked the thread when too many red pills got dropped. Anyway, quote time:
Translation, it's full of men and women of about the same SMV level. But the women don't want the men at their level because they feel entitled to Chad despite being nothing special themselves. The only exceptions are Chads looking for an easy lay, and they're rare because they can get that anywhere.
It's funny because it's true. Only a Faggitor would believe that a guy who's unsuccessful in every other medium just needs to meet more people. Meeting people only works if you're attractive to begin with.
In other words the tiny percentage of men that they're actually attracted to are either dating younger women or are just fuckbois. Even the well to do betas are scarce because they've spent the last decade and a half being told how unwanted they are, so they dropped out entirely.
Lol, get a load of this guy. He starts by describing attributes that would be useful for a beta hunter looking for someone to financially rape, but nothing about attractiveness. Then he says he's 5' 11'', which almost kills his chances of being alphafux on its own since he's just shy of the magic 6' mark. Then he says he goes to therapy, which confirms that he's a retarded simp who believes the obvious horseshit that feminists peddle to get men to go to therapy so they'll be more pliant betas for women to enslave and divorce rape.
Oh, now we're getting closer to the truth. Women who spent 20 years getting dicked by Chad and Tyrone are desperately hunting for some chump to pay for their bad choices.
This guy gets it. The women at the events might think they're above the men, but on an objective basis they're not. The people who attend those events can't find dates anywhere else, so the men and women are at a similar level. The women will never face this reality because feminism has taught them that dating a sub-Chad is a fate worse than death. And for the crime of not being Chad, the men have to deal with a post wall boss bitch who will take over their life before divorce raping them. The smarter ones in the male group have already dropped out, so the women are left with pathetic losers who have no self respect whatsoever. It serves them right for deciding that being a wife and mother is beneath them.
Hoeflation is real and is killing Western civilization. Two or three generations ago, these women would have been told from about age 5 that they needed to settle down with a good man and make babies.
These days, you have to go to specific communities to even find women who think that marriage and children are worthwhile. Oddly enough, the women there tend to be hotter...
Cultures that still fat shame are* able to produce attractive women. There is obviously more to it, but that is a cornerstone of if they are crazy or not, because everyone knows it is shameful to be fat.
Yes, even us big guys.
This could work, if you actually do understand your SMV. I know a guy who's a zero, who just married another zero. You do have to meet more people, but you also have to meet people who are actually at your level.
Damn. A pair of honest to god zeros.
Love finds away.
People adore bringing out that one statistical outlier they know - the fat/ugly guy that somehow slays with women and/or has a good relationship.
Meeting people is good for polishing social skills, because it's a skill, and skills can be learned, but people rarely phrase it that way - they push it as a cure-all to try and play the odds.
A zero-zero example isn't an outlier, it's normal. People match with similar attractiveness.
I will say, he's good at social skills, and is the most social person in my friend group (I'm actually the objectively worst). She's pretty bad with social skills, but she loves being a woman of simple tastes and joys. She is already unable to be independent as it is for a litany of reasons.
Relationships aren't about what is positions in objective reality. It's just about what you have in reference to the other person. You might have poor social skills as a man, but if they are significantly better than hers, that's a win for her.
Also on the flipside of the coin, it is very rare to find a person who genuinely has no attractive features, like the Elephant Man or something. There are a lot of 5/10 men and women who can be attractive to each other. I think people understand this more the farther you get from major cities.
5/10s also usually understand "I'm not perfect." A major problem once you hit the higher attractiveness setting is that when faced with criticism or asked to adapt, said hottie will simply say "nah I got a line waiting outside for their chance, bye."
Whereas an average person most of the time will be willing to adapt to better fit your side of the coin to compliment and end up more attractive to you for it.
Of course, society has turned even 5/10 girls completely delusional and thereby to reach the level where they are willing to act like an average idiot you need to reach down to the 3/10 level, but that's another issue.
In fairness, it could be a 1:1 or a 1:0 relationship. He's smarter and more social than her. His utility to her is astronomical, compared to what she could do by herself. On the other hand, she genuinely loves him and makes him happy and appreciated, and he wasn't gonna get that from many other people.
It's a win-win for them because you don't have relationships based on objective scores, they are all based on subjectivity and relativity.
God have mercy on their children.
They're probably never gonna have any, but they bring fulfillment into each other's lives, so that's more than enough for the two of them. They've had a rough life as it is.
Why are you using the term 'Chad' unironically, though?
Chad = dumb fitness guy stereotype.
t. Guy that's jealous he isn't a chad
Chad is just shorthand for the top men that women choose for looks instead of demanding glorified prostitution arrangements. Dumb gym bro certainly fits the bill if he's good looking enough.
I'd say, seeing its use arise on incel type spaces in the late-00s/early-10s, it originally was a term of derision before The Red Pill really broke into prominence on the net.
I can see why there would be some holdouts still using it derogatorily but I don't think it's a healthy practice in the long run as the feeling behind its use in that way is suffused with envy. No different from the geeky loser in high school complaining about the "dumb jocks" (who he'd probably find aren't so dumb if he talked to them) on the school's ____team getting all the attention. The envy is bad for the soul, and the mindset bad for the progress he could make.
How do I know this? He was me.
It certainly has different connotations depending on the space. I believe the incels still use it as a derogatory term, while red pillers see it as something to emulate. I use it the way MGTOW uses it: largely as a descriptor without value judgements.
Words change meaning over time. Good examples are the words awesome and gay.
This is why men marry women way younger than them...
As a man you’re going to go to one of these and realize you’re one of the “duds” because you don’t make over six figures and have a drug connection.
Don't forget not being 6 foot whatever and looking like a male model.
A man that meets the 6-6-6 criteria would be in the top 0.41% of the male population. You're just setting yourself up for failure if you think your princess ass "deserves" such an Adonis, and in your thirties to boot.
Edit: Or go to igotstandardsbro.com and play with the Female Delusion Calculator yourself.
Apex fallacy. Those 1 to 10 percent of men these women are paying attention to are the only ones they actually notice - the rest of men are basically invisible to them, so they never take them into account.
To use a spicy comparison, it's why alot of FtM trannies tend to collide head-first with reality when suddenly the metaphorical shoe is on the other foot - they expected to be treated like that top 10 percent because the top ten percent where the only men they ever paid attention to. Only to find that no one gives a shit about them any more and they're basically invisible to society at large.
Its why people can't get Leonardo DiCaprio's name out of their mouth.
He is openly proving what we all know. That a peak male will just fuck hot young sluts, then replace them as their usage wears out. He can do literally whatever he wants and has zero reason to settle for a girl with even a single flaw.
The problem with those "calculators" is that these are not independent variables.
Taller people do tend to be smarter and more successful. You can't just multiply a bunch of codependent probabilities, get a small number, and say, "that's basically impossible!" because then you end up with situations like my (large) extended family where nearly all of the men meet those criteria, defying all "odds".
The creator of the calculator goes over that, yeah. The OKCupid study where women rated 80% of men as "below average" wasn't entirely scientific, either.
That said, unless you somehow have a comprehensive, government-funded study into delusional female dating standards that will hurt their precious fee-fees, this is the best we got.
I prefer to figure shit out without statistics. Those can be manipulated and falsified. The impressions of my actual senses are real.
If statistics contradict apparent reality, they're probably misused or wrong. Not the other way around.
That OkCupid study was just a viral version of one that has been repeated in Psychology many times in the past. We went over it during my undergrad well over a decade ago and before OkCupid started doing its famous blogposts.
Its been consistent every time. Men create a pretty normal bell curve of attractiveness, women create a lopsided monstrosity where basically every man is a 3/10.
A fun factoid I remember from one of those studies is they did another version both with and without a person's job/income under the picture. Men barely changed their numbers (and only did so for "slutty" type jobs) while women did what you'd expect and started fluffing richer or fancier jobbed men up.
the woman posting is just starting to get the concept of pre-selection, but she stops short of introspection.
i went to one of these once. some coworkers were really pushing as it was a charity event and one of the girls' friends was an organizer.
never again.
not saying any of this to brag, more just a field report so you also know not to waste your time. i'm tall and over 6 figures, do pretty well with women. the only girls there above a 4 were my coworker (a solid 7) and the organizer (9 when she's done up). all the rest of the women there were fat as fuck. morbidly obese.
think about it this way... men are the hunters, women the hunted. every woman who is a 5 and up is hit on constantly wherever she goes. there are just too many men in the game. the grocery store, the library, the park. some guy will chat her up. if a woman has to go out of her way to signal that she's single, it means she's so unattractive that guys are not chatting her up naturally. if a woman has to really work that hard to put herself out there, she's basically a sickly doe that even the newbies and bad hunters don't want. she's just that undesirable.
i hung out with the organizer and my coworker, and had a couple of ham planets following me around like lost puppies. i left after an hour to smash a girl from bumble. i don't shit where i eat so i never banged a coworker, but a week later i was already plowing that organizer. eventually, she tells me the fact that i left really got her going, and she wanted to leave her own event with me.
the women in this post are fucking oblivious. notice how they keep describing women, and attractive/skinny/hot/desirable are never among the words used. they're quick to bash the men in attendance as unworthy, but never engage in introspection that asks what they can do to better their odds, and why they as the hunted have to go out of their way to be hunted. well, it's because the hunters don't want them.
Man you wrecked this whole event lol.
I suppose this is mostly just down to the fact that you postured: "I'm more valuable than everyone at this event, and I have minium standards to meet" followed by her reasoning of: "WAIT He thinks he's more valuable than me??? I'm the most attractive person here, and a bunch of the other women were interested in him!"
It's more like they are describing men as simply mediocre, but not putting enough work in for their attention. Meanwhile the women are putting a ton of work for attention, but don't really want it... because the men are already looking for them.
I make the equivalent of 6 figures in my state and theres zero chance I'd be looking for an older woman in her 30s much less a redditor. Social media is making women delusional.
Fuck that's all it takes? jk I don't do drugs.
And/or women end up in a cycle of blaming others for their own flaws and mistakes and bitching about it non-stop.
Or they find other weird outlets they can blame it on instead, as almost a form of self sabotage. Pretty sure a family member of mine resorted to an eating disorder just to avoid acknowledging her own failure at appealing to her dates. And she's not fat or harpy-like either, just very boring and lacking in personality.
Men can do that too - that's a textbook definition of an incel.
I suppose blaming others is a common psychological response when faced with a painful reality that is one's own fault and can't be undone or redone.
I remember I went to a singles mixer thing in my city. It was full of average looking dudes and old fat ugly women. I think I made a round, realized not a single attractive woman was there and then left. It was exactly what I expected but I just felt like I needed to confirm so I could say to myself that I got a firsthand account.
This same woman who describes herself as “vibrant, bubbly, well traveled and entertaining”
Could you describe those policies in detail?
Nothing but red flags here. Best case scenario these women have nothing to offer men that they can't get from male friends without the female additional cost.
Princess syndrome
Consooomer
Overconfident
Unfocused
And unable to say anything interesting or deeper than a puddle.
https://iili.io/HPmzZv4.png
The glee in that man's face speaks to me.
There's a reason why we used to scare children with stories of baby-eating witches that live in the woods with eight cats.
Basically: men that are perfectly reasonable to start a relationship with, but she doesn't want to because she doesn't really understand how to build a relationship, and she doesn't want to work at building one.
She wants to be "swept off her feet" by a rich, powerful, socialite that she was told would be available for her at the end of her career. In reality, she found successful men who were successful, not because they were inherently excellent, but because they worked more than socialized, and come off slightly awkward.
And that shit's just an absolute no-go. If she's not wet, then out the door with you.
Well, a decently attractive woman did do this after divine liturgy a few weeks back and we talk after services now, I'll probably try to see where things go. It's a smaller parish with basically everyone else already married so I was lowkey surprised.
Outside of that, I got the unprompted conversations before I put 70lbs of fat on lol (which, I've lost about 45lbs of so far). I hear things are muuuch better outside the US but here you generally have to follow Rules 1 & 2 and I can personally attest to that after seeing things from both sides.
Agreed, I'd say in general if a man isn't attractive he has to do the lion's share of any engaging and generally should be wary of unprompted active engagement from women.
Eh, depending on my mood I'd probably say even attractive men should be wary of that. I generally think women who actively pursue are either trying to work an angle or have some sort of underlying issue (e.g., BPD). Unsure of whether that says more about me than them or not and I'd be surprised if there's relevant literature on the topic.
Another factor making things confusing is that there really are no cut-and-dry social norms these days. What is an invitation from one is a sexual harassment allegation from another and the young men receive a torrent of conflicting messages complicating an already complex social environment.
The days of a woman "accidentally" dropping a handkerchief in front of the man she's interested in are long dead and gone.
During undergrad I'd have plenty start talking to me even though my mood was shit and my demeanor would be that of a pissed off racoon. I actually wish I'd have not been as depressed as I was and actually returned the attention but I didn't care to date at the time.
I'm not even out of my 20s now but trying to find a not shit woman seems like a herculean tasks now
Middle Eastern girls are overlooked. Some Kurdish and Armenian chicks definitely got it going on
Fucking LOL
Traveling to Europe once doesn't make you worldly.
You're fat and ugly. Otherwise you wouldn't need to attend these events because men would be approaching you all the time.
Best part about this small block of text is that it doesn't even tell you anything about someone. It's all very general word use, which ironically groups them all together as a single, bland concept.
Yeah and it isn't surprising that a group of hippos are able to have an "easy conversation" with each other. The entire thing is delusional and it's no wonder she's single.
Ladies: "$50,000 FIRM. NO LOWBALLS! I know what I got."
The wall is undefeated
Most of these women aren't beating the wall, they're eating it.
Wall as in wall of text? I don't care about this enough to read all that rant. Post a picture and I can see if she is "post wall"
Yup, and the guys who give them the tingles will never commit them, leaving them with nothing but icky betas to choose from.
This is also why they have a massive in group preference for other women - they are unionizing so they never have to settle for a man at their actual level.
I put it as: "Women are literally magical creatures", which is a reductive way of saying: they are exclusively operating on a meta-physical plane. Even with the whole 6-6-6 nonsense, it really is just nonsense. That's their material standard for someone they are not actually attracted to. If they are attracted to you, that all goes out the window because they are not operating on a material frame. They don't actually care about your income, your height, or even if you are all that well kempt. They are looking to see if you can cover their emotional needs, provide them a sense of security/grounding/protection, and make them feel socially valued.
Tingles are just part of that.
Even that's irrelevant, as a legion of thuggish boyfriends with an unbroken chain of broken hoes can attest to.
Literally, as long as you make her pussy vibrate she will work backwards to make up other reasons why you are a great catch. You already having those qualities just makes it a bonus.
I disagree that it's irrelevant because most women do not have this:
Plenty of former boyfriends who are never coming back, and plenty of women who haven't had more than a couple sexual partners in a year. That's not so common at 20, but it's a lot more common at 30.
IMO, I think you might have the causation backwards. It's those qualities that are causing the tingling.
It doesn't matter if "most" don't have it. What matters is that its a successful enough character to not have considerable trouble keeping a relationship.
Which means that you don't need to go above and beyond with things like "security" and "valued." Making them irrelevant for someone who simply wishes to boil women down to the most basic of bases.
Disagree. Because you can literally see it happening in abusive relationships in real time as they begin to change reality itself to turn a man's faults into positives. And "abusive" relationships are only that way because they go somewhat over the line with qualities those women were attracted to in the first place. An extreme on what they liked at a moderate.