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Galean 76 points ago +76 / -0

Props for the last one.

Unfortunately DnD is full of people like this. I honestly think it is time some non-political or even conservative RPG groups were made.

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acp_k2win 39 points ago +54 / -15

conservative RPG groups

The reason there aren't many is because escapism and even the concept of "entertainment" itself is, at its base level, an extension of childhood. It embodies the "liberal" ethos that reality itself is something "oppressive" and the womanly behavior of avoiding problems by distracting herself.

I know we aren't robots but the ideal man is one who doesn't "waste time". He has "put away his childish things" and has planted himself firmly facing the real world, no matter how awful it is.

I'm not saying that to put anyone down, I certainly don't live up to that ideal. But that is the reason there aren't more conservative led fandoms or rpg groups. A "manly" hobby is something that is also a practical skill or a challenge. Something like gardening or repairing small engines.

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auroch 74 points ago +75 / -1

You're not entirely wrong, but control of the humanities has been a huge component of the SJW march through the institutions. Ignoring them has been to nothing but our detriment. Manly hobbies are totally well and good, but do you think the cranky old man whittling on his porch has a profound impact on culture? He might pass his whittling ways on to a kid or two, but all the kids have spent time watching YouTube, shows or movies and playing games.

Did an olive oil maker have more influence in ancient Greece, or a playwright?

Did a cattle farmer have more impact on future generations, or did Shakespeare?

Have more people been inspired by the employee-of-the-month UPS driver, or by Matt Mercer?

Entertainment and the humanities are not a waste of time (at least not entirely). That's why the enemy has spent so much time and effort to completely capture them. They would hate it if our games and shows broke away from their control. If not us, then who?

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TriangleGang 55 points ago +55 / -0

This is a very underrated comment. While political conservatives have been been busy "getting things done" the left has been seizing control of our culture and continuously shifting what is "normal" their direction.

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NihilistCaregiver 13 points ago +13 / -0

The universe's mechanism is inherently flawed if it's a binary choice between:

  • Conservatives staying quiet, minding their own business, working, saving, not causing trouble, thin blue line, punisher skulls, overpriced lifted jeeps, oper8r ar15 parts, yada yada

  • Leftists grooming kids, promoting consooooooooomer culture, creativity, capeshit, starshit, social media, bright colors, black science man, ben & jerrys SJW ice cream, soy bug shakes, and suicide pods

The notion that either side is capable of steadily drifting towards the center where there is some magical wonderland of balance and fairness is a fairytale because each side still inherently exists as its own extreme regardless of there being a center.

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AzureAceStarburstXXX 5 points ago +7 / -2

Don't forget, conservatives are scattered among countless sites with their own rules restricting how free these conservatives are. How many conservatives think the enemy can be appeased/bargained with/reasoned with? It is impossible to earn the enemy's respect, when they oppose our existence.

Meanwhile all liberals support Epstein on the sites they control. They do not fear censorship.

All liberals are united for evil, and conservatives are divided on the issue of self preservation.

If a society wants a future it needs to protect its kids and raise them the best it can. It can't let its enemy raise a generation of self-loathing fruitcake Disneys who want more white genocide. It can't let its taxes fund the enemy.

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0000Titan 30 points ago +30 / -0

This is spot on. You can add lower education, academia, and bureaucracy to the list. All areas that don't appeal to the conservative sensibilities against "extended childhood" and big government. They've been dominated and weaponized by the left.

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novanleon 12 points ago +12 / -0

Both you and u/acp_k2win are 100% correct, but this begs the question, why are the humanities so influential?

I'd wager it's because people are flawed, life is hard and people will continually seek escapism if given the opportunity.

By controlling the avenues for escapism that exist, you can control the narrative. By controlling the narrative you can reinforce good cultural values, but by creating avenues for escapism, you're also enabling undesirable behavior. To do something positive, you need to do something negative. It's a quandary.

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Galean 25 points ago +28 / -3

Unfortunately I agree with you. I've been thinkin about it for a long time and as an adult that likes computer games and board games I can't say it has had any positive impact on my life.

I've even came to the conclusion that the woke SJW crowd hurting the hobbies I liked has had a net-positive impact on my life. 

I look at neighbors that I admire, not one plays computer games, they have hobbies like starting small businesses, repairing a vintage car, hunting or camping and fishing.
The idea of sitting around a table and playing pretend with a bit of math is ridiculous by comparison.

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Brennus 26 points ago +27 / -1

Take everything in moderation. Playing games every now and then as a break is just a hobby. Playing them all the time everyday is excessive. You can pick up a hobby that’s not games and still play them every now and then and still get things accomplished

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Adamrises 2 points ago +2 / -0

Its like people who preach abstinence and nofap only. In theory its the type of aspirational ideal to strive for. In reality it drives most people insane and they will break down one way or another soon enough. There is a balance to be found and trying to take the opposite extreme will drive most people to madness, and this applies to most things.

One of those wacky Christian ideals is the idea that sin is inevitable and human, as long as you are working on it and recognizing when you fail you are still good.

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acp_k2win 16 points ago +16 / -0

I've tried to justify my gaming addictions by learning how to make games. Now I don't play any fewer games, I just enjoy them less because I'm analyzing their mechanics from a developer/designer perspective.

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Assassin47 10 points ago +11 / -1

Good for you, that is at least a new knowledge-set and perhaps a marketable skill - if not outright providing a source of income. I used to dev as a hobby but still wasted a lot of time playing games. I came to the conclusion that games are an addictive time-sink that takes creative people away from making their own games or other interesting works of art.

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AzureAceStarburstXXX 3 points ago +4 / -1

Analyzing games makes me enjoy them more.

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Puddinhead 3 points ago +3 / -0

I understand that view. Board gaming is something I did with my friends when I didnt have a family. Now j might meet up with my old board gaming crew once a year.

My wife and I made a decision to not get a TV when got married. We mostly sit around and read books. We do play the occasional board game though. The kids like them. My oldest has been after me to GM a mouse guard campaign.

TL:DR. Spend time with your family doing things your whole family can enjoy

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todiwan 19 points ago +20 / -1

The hobby that got me enough skill to start earning money for myself by writing story commissions for people is not practical, or challenging? News to me. My income from story commissions disagrees, and that income could be a LOT higher if I put more work into it.

RPGs are closely tied with storytelling and with art in general. A combination of acting, writing and worldbuilding, all combining together to create a form of art that is more fulfilling and enriching than most other art. And that is apparently less valuable than carving wood? Both involve the creation of something valuable, one is just more mental, while the other is more physical.

Does the ideal man reject art?

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theradraccoon 11 points ago +11 / -0

How do you get in on this story commissions business?

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acp_k2win 6 points ago +7 / -1

Does the ideal man reject art?

I don't think I said anything like that. The "childish things" refers to passive consumption and being reactive to world around you, rather than being active and creating and choosing your path despite setbacks and obstacles.

Intent matters. There is a difference between "ingesting" and "consuming". In my example I can play a game for a couple of hours and learn ALMOST everything I'm going to get out it from a game design perspective. But if I keep playing after that (and the next day, and the next day) I'm just wasting time because that is easier than getting to all of the stupid "real life" stuff I have to deal with.

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auroch 2 points ago +2 / -0

May I ask how you got into writing stories for commission? I think I could be pretty good at that.

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captain-shitpost 18 points ago +19 / -1

almost all practical skill and utilitarian hobbies are overrun by conservatives nowadays, but escapism adds a whole other dimension. geek escapist hobbies are probably something like 90% liberal, 9% libertarian, <1% conservative, but other escapist hobbies like sports and concerts and media are all over the place.

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Benevolentdictator 6 points ago +6 / -0

Sports seems to be leaning hard left, at least in the 40 and under demographics.

I've stopped frequenting a lot of my previous sports haunts because there is so much rabid antivaxx hate against players, blind MeToo support, BLM BS, etc.

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almond_activator 3 points ago +3 / -0

Sports seems to be leaning hard left, at least in the 40 and under demographics.

There's a difference between spectator sports and participation sports. Anything that's consumed from the couch is trending overwhelmingly leftist/NPC, while anything that requires active participation and mental engagement is, for obvious reasons, going the other way.

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Benevolentdictator 2 points ago +2 / -0

Excellent point.

Though I would imagine the obsession with vaxx passes for gyms, indoor sports facilities and adult and children's sports leagues (in Canada at least) will begin to select for leftie zealots in participation sports as well.

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when_we_win_remember 1 point ago +1 / -0

They had a sign up for months at my gym that masks were required, and VERY few people wore them. That's not really sports, though -- unless you're playing basketball, or squash, or you're really into weightlifting. Ok it's not sports for me.

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captain-shitpost 1 point ago +1 / -0

talking about the actual attendees and players, not the media casting it

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fauxgnaws 6 points ago +7 / -1

I had a great time playing D&D a couple times as a kid, but as an adult I have zero interest in it and the reason is because of the DM system.

Maybe it's the lobster in me, but having somebody in charge of everything and arbitrarily deciding what happens and what's what is something I just can't stand. Even watching others 'play' and beg the DM for favorable treatment is revolting. I feel like, do the players not have any dignity?

I still love games like Baldur's Gate II with a computer DM because of the fantasy of being in the D&D world, the story, and being able to explore morality, but I don't feel like that's why these liberals are playing D&D. It's the obeisance roleplay that attracts them.

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AnotherSchwarzesMark 12 points ago +12 / -0

All my friends are either apolitical, moderate or Conservative, we play D&D alright, warhammmer 40k, cyberpunk etc.

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Galean 11 points ago +11 / -0

You are lucky. I rarely found conservatives to be in to D&D or boardgames. I do not mind it as much until someone randomly starts holding a monologue about why immigration is a human right.

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Benevolentdictator 10 points ago +10 / -0

I stopped watching some niche Twitch streamers after they dropped the mask and started babbling about Trump and "misinformation".

Even when they went back to focusing on the content, I couldn't unsee it and enjoy them the same way again.

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AnotherSchwarzesMark 3 points ago +3 / -0

Just get your friends into it. That's how it worked for me.

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dismybrowseacct 5 points ago +10 / -5

Conservatives are the reason dnd is like this. It was called the satanic panic and it's the reason me or anyone I know never played growing up. There was plenty of interest, my parents were more interested in keeping me away from it though.

We tried getting a group together a few years ago but we saw the woke BS bleeding into everything so we found other stuff to do. Dnd has been destroyed. I see it as the "seize the means of production" problem. Assets are a means and they're taking it purely to push commie ideology. Once you reach that point I think it's better to abandon and start new.

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Adamrises 5 points ago +5 / -0

The Satanic Panic was only possible due to therapists and counselors helping implant or foster false memories. The Psychology field has been a Leftist shithole for nearing a hundred years.

Conservatives are far from blameless in fostering all those crazes, but it was very bipartisan. Especially once the 90s rolled around.

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vicious_snek5 3 points ago +3 / -0

I've come around to the position that they were right all along. Satan has his claws deep into it.

Look at the current state of dnd. Gay tieflings and rainbow haired characters everywhere. It's SJW mecca. It's one of satan's favourite games clearly. Knowing who plays dnd, I'll not be letting my kid join for those same reasons. I don't think it's actual spells like in the 80s, but I know who plays and what they talk about. No.

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dismybrowseacct 1 point ago +1 / -0

My experience is the church sourced it. Everything from DND, MTG, Pokemon, all the way into idol worship. Pretty cookie cutter as far as preaching goes.

The one thing the pastor did get right was the Disney gay agenda. I always thought the argument about Timon and Pumba pushing the gay lifestyle was sketchy at best but current politics seem to say otherwise.

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Adamrises 2 points ago +2 / -0

My friend's "DEMOCRATS ARE THE ONLY ONES FOR THE PEOPLE" mom banned Pokemon the same way the church moms did.

The problem is most of us grew up in tiny towns where Conservatives where the majority and the church was the source of everything. Granting a bad sample size of reality.

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simon 5 points ago +5 / -0

They exist! While you're at it, try out older editions. B/X or AD&D. There are crowds both young and old that play these editions, and they tend to attract more "normal" players. As an aside, if your DM ever makes it a point to discuss which topics are "acceptable" for a fucking fantasy game, I suggest get out and never look back. Same thing when it comes to abandoning gaming systems that have woke content in their rulebooks.

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DomitiusOfMassilia [M] 3 points ago +4 / -1

I ABSOLUTELY FUCKING AGREE

So let's go.

How do we start?

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spambot 1 point ago +1 / -0

think you left the mod tag on dom, or is it stuck on for every post. not the guy but i think its obvous grab a cup and roll for inititive if you build it they will come return hate with hate and comradre with comradre and try to have fun most of all.

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DomitiusOfMassilia 1 point ago +1 / -0

Nope, the Mod cap stays on for that one. I want to push that.

Thing is, I can't DM anything, so I can't really organize it myself.

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spambot 1 point ago +1 / -0

you might surprise yourself if you fly by the seat of your pants, if your problem is story related why not start with the simple rat celler style campain for session zero something fast and easy and requires little plot, if your problem is getting folks to show or just finding them up why not use the internet and make a discord/teamspeak and roll20/tabletop sim and put a link up here sticky optional for when dnd/ table top is and let it grow from there, if writing itself is your weakpoint... well i cant give many sugestions there maybe watch terable writing advice on youtube and read the fics on the ppc wiki for examples of what not to do and what to do?

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Steampunk_Moustache 47 points ago +47 / -0

your views put you at odds with me. I cannot imagine why you would WANT to remain

A leftist so far gone that he cannot even comprehend the concept of having friends he politically disagrees with.

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lgbtqwtfbbq 20 points ago +20 / -0

There comes a point where that becomes unwise. It's one thing to politely disagree on whether or not income or sales tax is the best tax policy, or whether or not liquor stores ought to be state run.

It's another when your friends see people with your views as an evil that must be purged from the earth. In that case I have to agree: why would you want to associate with such people?

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Steampunk_Moustache 12 points ago +12 / -0

So that you have access to them when the civil war starts.

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MetallicBioMeat 8 points ago +8 / -0

Indeed OSINT is good, but you need HUMINT aswell.

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Hand_Of_Node 9 points ago +9 / -0

Political opponents are essentially your enemy. The left appears to recognize this reality. The right continues to lose in every area because it doesn't.

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Steampunk_Moustache 9 points ago +9 / -0

Political opponents are essentially your enemy. The left appears to recognize this reality. The right continues to lose in every area because it doesn't.

This behavior wasn't normal for joe schmoe democrat voter until Trump Derangement Syndrome.

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Hand_Of_Node 2 points ago +2 / -0

Trump Derangement Syndrome comes in a TDS- variant for the left, and a TDS+ variant for the right.

They play both the left and the right as if they're skilled propagandists and manipulators.

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blackestknight 32 points ago +32 / -0

That last zinger.

Other good replies : "What does liberalism or conservatism have to do with dwelving into imaginary dungeons ?"

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Ricky_CIA 8 points ago +13 / -5

Well, liberalism is essentially childishness and (this is from someone who used to play a lot of pen and paper RPGs) delving into imaginary dungeons is a somewhat childish activity.

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blackestknight 29 points ago +31 / -2

delving into imaginary dungeons is a somewhat childish activity.

"When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."

There's nothing childish about using your imagination.

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Gizortnik 10 points ago +10 / -0

When I was 10, I saw a monster on TV, and my dad told me monsters weren't real.

Now I'm 35 and I see monsters on TV, there all real, they wear suits, and everyone claps when they speak.

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DefinitelyNotIGN 6 points ago +6 / -0

Voltaire's "Goodnight Demon Slayer" lullaby:

"I won't tell you there's nothing 'neath you bed. / I won't sell you that it's all just in your head. / This world of ours is not as it seems / the monsters are real but they're not in your dreams. / Learn what you can from those beasts you defeat / you'll need it for some of the people you'll meet..."

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Gizortnik 1 point ago +1 / -0

That's a good one.

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lgbtqwtfbbq 2 points ago +2 / -0

I don't believe in God, but I started believing in the Devil because so many people in charge are obviously possessed by him.

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Benevolentdictator 9 points ago +9 / -0

I respect industriousness, but in excess it does seem to create it's own right-wing pissing contest/purity spiral.

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spambot 2 points ago +2 / -0

perhaps when this one brakes fathers and mothers wont come home drained to the point they dont play with the kid or even talk, unlikely but i can dream... best be careful though last person to say i have a dream got shot,

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Hand_Of_Node 3 points ago +3 / -0

That last "zinger" is his claim to accept pedophilia. You have to be a bigot to oppose the idea of adult sex with children. Google has softened this down, but even still...

Bigot: a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.

I obstinately oppose the belief or opinion that sex with children is fine. = bigot

I'm especially prejudiced and antagonistic towards child abusers. = bigot

Anyone who says they're not a bigot has zero ideological standards.

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ShepardRahl 29 points ago +29 / -0

"I don't like silencing people so I'm going to remove you from future games."

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Friday 28 points ago +28 / -0

This is just what they've been conditioned to to. They are trained to see people who disagree with them as not people. They aren't human beings who deserve to be in their spaces. They aren't worthy of time or respect.

Once you stop seeing a certain group as human, there are only a few places to go.

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Vebent 20 points ago +20 / -0

So not at odds with the group, just with the DM. Ever since I found out that there are DM’s charging groups to have fun with D&D I noticed that a lot of them don’t care about the group and only about themselves.

Also, if the DM is talking about the wage gap or other political bullshit with 5 other people then he should be prepared for a differing view. Fuck him.

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AgnosticTemplar [S] 29 points ago +29 / -0

To be fair I had the wage gap argument with the DM's wife. The whole thing started because the DM thanked another player for introducing him to Christopher Titus, and posted a preview of his new special 'white suptemacy: a rebuttal". I said "modern woke comedy isn't comedy, it's just a sarcastic TED talk". He was all "maybe so, but FUCK WHITE SUPREMACISTS!" And then I said "#itsoktobewhite". It snowballed from there after his wife started on the conversation. Last thing he said before things escalated was "I just wanted us to all agree that white supremacy was bad..."

Keep in mind, this was all on a channel specifically called 'shitposting'. Looks like they couldn't handle actual shitposting.

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acp_k2win 26 points ago +26 / -0

DM's wife

no girls at the gaming table - the never care about the game, only about attention whoring for nerd thirst and also getting entertainment value from starting drama

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Vebent 5 points ago +6 / -1

I’m just glad you didn’t give in. Of course everyone is in agreement that any racial superiority is bad. It’s just something that doesn’t need to be constantly said. Actually, you should’ve just left off with that.

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Hand_Of_Node 4 points ago +6 / -2

Of course everyone is in agreement that any racial superiority is bad.

You're being sarcastic, right?

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Vebent 5 points ago +5 / -0

So you’re cool with black supremacists or any other superiority? Because I don’t give a damn who you are. Your skin color doesn’t make you better than anyone else.

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Hand_Of_Node 1 point ago +3 / -2

Your skin color doesn’t make you better than anyone else.

If you're not a jr high school student, you face a lifetime of struggle.

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Vebent 3 points ago +3 / -0

What struggle? You mean everyday life bullshit? Well no shit it’s a fuckin struggle, but I’m not going to go around and start blaming groups of people for that struggle.

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Hand_Of_Node 1 point ago +2 / -1

You say the weirdest things. What does "blaming groups of people for that struggle" have to do with anything?

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Assassin47 1 point ago +1 / -0

Everyone is NOT in agreement about that, least of all leftists. The DM only said it because his religious conditioning demanded it of him. People who talk like that sound possessed.

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Vebent 1 point ago +1 / -0

So where do you fall in line with when it comes to superiority?

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Benevolentdictator 4 points ago +4 / -0

the DM thanked another player for introducing him to Christopher Titus, and posted a preview of his new special 'white suptemacy: a rebuttal".

Is Chris Titus cucked too?

I couldn't tell by skimming his Wikipedia page, which probably means yes.

I remember liking his sitcom, which Wiki tells me ran from 2000-02 for 54 episodes. Much longer than I would have guessed.

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theradraccoon 10 points ago +10 / -0

You kidding me? DMs charge fees now?

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FrozeInFear 6 points ago +6 / -0

I can believe it. With people becoming more and more isolated, it has become difficult for some to naturally create a group to play with, let alone find someone with imagination to DM. I imagine these paid DMs treat it like commissioned storytelling.

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LikeTearsInTheRain 4 points ago +4 / -0

It's been a thing online for a long time. The concept is that you're paying for someone who'll run "quality" sessions, know the rules, basically ensure you can just drop in and have fun with friends or other strangers without going to any lengths yourself aside from paying 'em.

These days you get a lot of insufferable people also looking for the "Critical Role" experience too.

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Hoofa 5 points ago +5 / -0

Which is funny, because DMing "Critical Role" doesn't seem that hard to do. It's the logistics of organizing a group of 4-6 people in the modern world and have them stay on script that throws things into haywire.

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LawNmowermaN 2 points ago +2 / -0

Not if you're playing with friends, but some online or in-person groups will do it. It doesn't pay much.

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Vebent 2 points ago +2 / -0

They sure do. I can’t remember where I found it, but a think a quick Brave search would get a few results.

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OmegaBird 18 points ago +18 / -0

I bet that last line absolutely unhinged that leftist retard.

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AgnosticTemplar [S] 29 points ago +29 / -0

Not in any way that was obvious. We went back and fourth with "you said some things that were pretty bigoted", "bigotry just means to be intolerant of other beliefs", "that's one way to look at it", "no, that's literally the definition [posts link to dictionary entry for bigotry]." And then we parted ways.

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Ohdeerlordman 11 points ago +12 / -1

Should've just said "Well you're a fag then."

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AgnosticTemplar [S] 18 points ago +19 / -1

Nah, it was more satisfying to end it amicably. I could have burnt bridges for some brief catharsis, but that would have just vindicated him in his eyes. He's the one who threw away a friendship over a petty political disagreement, he'll have to think about that.

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MargarineMongoose 23 points ago +25 / -2

he'll have to think about that.

No he won't, and you damn well know it.

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Indipendepede 10 points ago +10 / -0

He will definitely think about it, but only in order to seethe rather than contemplate: I can't believe that shitty conservative made me make myself look bad, harumpf!

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Brennus 9 points ago +10 / -1

Killing with kindness is more effective than being mean anyways. Assuming he’s not a sociopath, eventually it will eat at him that you left pretty level headed and was willing to continue despite disagreeing on something political while he could not grasp that concept. It might be a couple of years but one day that switch will flip and they will feel like the ass hole they were

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Unknownsailor 6 points ago +6 / -0

Match vibes. If they disengage amicably, reciprocate. If they screech like a Stuka, unleash the hounds.

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acp_k2win 7 points ago +8 / -1

sounds like fag talk

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Ohdeerlordman 8 points ago +9 / -1

How's being the bigger man working out for us so far?

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ZodShael 4 points ago +4 / -0

"bigotry just means to be intolerant of other beliefs"

So, not liking conservatives because you disagree with them?

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Hand_Of_Node 2 points ago +2 / -0

You've read the definition of 'bigot', but you're not intolerant of some beliefs? Would you say you tolerate the belief of sex with children? Surely you're at least a little bigoted there?

I'm bigoted with quite a few beliefs and opinions. However, I do remember the propaganda push, starting say 30 to 40 years ago, to convince people they should accept all beliefs, except any promoting decency or normalcy. "bigoted against bigots"

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Smith1980 17 points ago +17 / -0

What does this have to do with D&D. It’s infuriating how hobbies were infiltrated. The only subreddit I use anymore is the Skyrim one. So many others went off the deep end.

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blackestknight 7 points ago +7 / -0

Because Square Enix does heavy handed moderation. Basically, they can only survive in heavily protected safe spaces.

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Hing 17 points ago +17 / -0

Always a word salad wall of text.

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MargarineMongoose 15 points ago +17 / -2

It is because truth is simple and elegant. The verbosity is a manifestation of the corrupt soul.

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ClownTamer 20 points ago +20 / -0

Obama and Trump were good contrasts there. Obama could speak for hours about nothing and leave having said nothing of note. Trump would just jab people with truth statements and you always knew where he stood on almost anything. Nobody is perfect but Trump came off as far more honest to me than Obama. Their responses to simple questions would usually amount to this:

“Should we be letting in illegal immigrants into the US?”

Obama: “There was a time when we were all illegal. We came here from the….” Then he’d go on for like an hour.

Trump: “NO! BUILD THE WALL!”

“Will the US militarily intervene if China or Russia tries to X or Y?”

Obama: “On the world stage, we try to maintain a….” Then another hour of nonsense.

Trump: “IF RUSSIA OR CHINA TRIES TO X OR Y I’M DROPPING NUKES ON MOSCOW AND BEIJING.”

People shit on Trump for how he talked being unpresidential but he was one of the most honest presidents we’ve ever had.

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Assassin47 16 points ago +16 / -0

The wage gap myth? It's funny how boring old American politics is what put him over the edge. You didn't say anything super controversial or that hasn't been debated with fact-based arguments for decades. That's how programmed they are. You must worship the female sex or else.

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DefinitelyNotIGN 1 point ago +1 / -0

There is a wage gap, though! It isn't a myth.

Once you account for differences in lifestyle and place of employment, women make about 5-7% more than men. That's a notable wage gap!

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Sumsuch 14 points ago +14 / -0

This is exactly why they think conservatives are all homophobic, xenophobic, racists. They hate everyone they don't fully agree with, so they can't conceptualize the idea that other people might not hate someone even if they don't explicitly like them.

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acp_k2win 5 points ago +5 / -0

conservatives are all homophobic, xenophobic, racists

Any real conservatives are by neomarxist fake definitions of those words.

homophobic = doesn't want children groomed

xenophobic = wants to cut off immigration and deport illegals

racist = doesn't pretend not to recognize patterns

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folx 12 points ago +12 / -0

The fuck? People get very invested in DnD, kicking them out of games over dumb bullshit like this is a dick move. I've seen people get kicked out of games over petty "middle school"-tier drama.

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AgnosticTemplar [S] 25 points ago +25 / -0

It wasn't even so much the D&D thing, but the thing where leftists are much more likely to not be friends with conservatives. I've known him for almost 5 years now, and I was always curious when that boot was gonna drop. I avoided talking politics with him, because politics hadn't come up when we were playing IRL. He posted leftist shit on his personal facebook page when we used that to plan game sessions, but I tended to ignore that. It was only after the coof hit when we started playing online and moved from facebook to a discord server that we started to get into some actual disagreements. Like he got pised at me when I said last year that masks don't really do much and that people shouldn't be required to wear them if they don't want to. But it's only been in the last few months, when he expanded his discord server by inviting a lot more people than who were just playing the one game that political shit got posted more. So yesterday, on the designated shitposting channel, I started shitposting. His wife got really upset at me, lol.

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KeeperOfTheGate 27 points ago +27 / -0

It wasn't even so much the D&D thing, but the thing where leftists are much more likely to not be friends with conservatives.

It's interesting. I grew up with a a mix of friends who were atheist, Christian, Jewish, etc., Chinese, Indian, American, etc. We had some pretty different political viewpoints. One of our teachers--a huge literally hippie leftist--actually set up a classroom debate in 7th grade to allow the "sides" to put their viewpoints out there and make arguments. We never cared. We argued about poltiics, and then we played ultimate, ate junk food, came home and played vidya.

Something changed.

One of my friends who I have known since literally about first grade completely cut me off. Why? Well, this guy moved out of state, so we only kept up from occasional Facebook messages etc. We kept that level of relationship up for years, would see each other when he came back to town, etc.

Well, he posted a word salad rant about how regressive and racist our home state is because it passed a Voter ID bill. I posted back, literally, one sentence, "Good thing you made the decision to move a non-racist state that doesn't have voter ID" -- the state he moved to has Voter ID and has had it for quite some time. He's never ranted about his new, blueish state, so it was total hypocrisy.

I have not had one response from him since then. Not one Facebook message back. I heard his wife was pregnant, I sent congratulations. Nothing. I heard his dad had cancer, went and talked to the dad at his store (he ran a local store for 50+ years), sent a note to my friend, nothing.

The online rants just get crazier and crazier.

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Assassin47 25 points ago +25 / -0

Social media turned people into culture warriors with more religious fervor than your typical Mohammedian.

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KeeperOfTheGate 17 points ago +17 / -0

I completely believe that.

I don't know where it ends. Honestly, I've become MORE conservative over the years due to seeing how shitty people are online. Would I care about the trans outside of the woke trans agenda? Well, I've met exactly one trans person my entire life, so it wouldn't really have any relevance.

I don't know what the solution is. People are never going offline again.

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FromTheShadows 5 points ago +5 / -0

Social media definitely did it. It's easier to draw tribal lines and fully demonize those you disagree with when you don't have to see their faces or sit in the same room as them. Where you can say whatever you want to them or about them in your echo chamber without fear of retaliation (be that verbal or physical), and if you do get any, you can just cry to an online nanny to ban the offender. Where you won't ever find a time where you'll have to rely on them, whether that be to help you with work, an assignment, or just for a cup of sugar, and thus have no need to learn to play nice. And where, after getting exposed to the worst extremists online, you start to paint everyone who bears similar but lesser or moderate beliefs with the same brush, which causes your treatment of people online to spill out into the real world.

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theradraccoon 22 points ago +22 / -0

Just after the 2016 election, someone who I'd been friends with for 20 years started ranting (on Facebook) about how scared he was to face Republican rule. I reminded him he went through Bush Jr.'s presidency just fine and he responded by saying "Republican is just another way of saying anti-Semite." I stated that I'd been a Republican for as long as we'd known each other, he said he stood by his words, and I asked if this meant we couldn't be friends anymore. Haven't heard from him since.
Now, I have a very hard time accepting liberals as friends since I know that friendship hangs on a very weak thread and that they'll eagerly toss it aside if an election doesn't go their way. Does that make me just as bad as them?

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The_Shadow_of_Intent 14 points ago +14 / -0

Now, I have a very hard time accepting liberals as friends since I know that friendship hangs on a very weak thread and that they'll eagerly toss it aside if an election doesn't go their way. Does that make me just as bad as them?

It means you should support plans to separate them to California where they can eventually be divorced from the rest of the Union.

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KeeperOfTheGate 12 points ago +12 / -0

For me personally, I think the best thing you can do is be yourself. Be a good person, a confident person, and don't hide your beliefs for fear of being cancelled. Don't go LOOKING for a fight, but also don't just nod and smile. Many liberals are the way they are bcause people are afraid to disagree with them in public. Liberals live in a bubble and an echo chamber.

I AM certainly guilty of nodding and smiling at times, but it's important for liberals to understand that there are other people out there who disagree with them. Disagreement is not just whatever insane caricatures they imagine up. It's easy to imagine your enemy is a modern day Nazi who hates women, wants to kill people, kicks cats, etc. It's NOT so easy to imagine that your nextdoor neighbor who you're friends with, socialize with, going fishing with, etc, who also happens to be conservative, does those things.

So, be friends with cool people, stand up for yourself and your beliefs, and if others choose to freak out over a small disagreement, so be it. "Because I'm not a bigot" as the OP said.

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Hand_Of_Node 2 points ago +2 / -0

stand up for yourself and your beliefs,

Because I'm not a bigot

These are incompatible. If you're not a bigot, you tolerate other beliefs and opinions, no matter how odious. The moment you begin to be intolerant of other beliefs (pedophilia, for example), you are a bigot.

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SR388-SAX 8 points ago +8 / -0

Does that make me just as bad as them?

It makes you pragmatic. If it's impossible to be friends with someone because you know they are likely cut you out, why would you even make the effort to begin with?

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KeeperOfTheGate 5 points ago +5 / -0

Another thing I would say. There HAVE to be limits.

Would I be friends and associate with someone who is a NAMBLA advocate? No, that is so far beyond the line, I would never knowingly associate with someone like that. Many people WOULD knowingly associate with pedophiles, see Marion Zimmer Bradley's "husband."

Would I choose to be friends with someone who voted for Biden? Yes. Who advocates for open borders? Yes. Who believes in defunding the police? Yes. Because I believe that there might be good and rational people who disagree with me. To believe that my beliefs are the only good, logical, rational, or reasonable beliefs is...insane. And typical of leftists in my experience.

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novanleon 13 points ago +13 / -0

The internet and social media has had the un-intuitive effect of making people more isolated and cold towards one another.

Actually getting to know someone personally is no longer important. We've substituted knowing someone's ideology for knowing them personally. People are no longer human beings to one another, they're just a representation of an ideology or identity group. If you don't check the right boxes, you're no better than a stranger, or worse, you're an enemy.

The Left has created a new religion to navigate this cold and impersonal reality while the Right is still clinging to the pre-internet conception of people as actual living, breathing persons, and the two are fundamentally incompatible.

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AndurilElessar 22 points ago +22 / -0

Ever notice too, how it's leftists that constantly shove their opinions, politics, beliefs and ideology in your face, and down your throat? But when you do the same, you got to go..because you're a bigot. I have found conservatives are usually fine and dandy never bringing up, or discussing their views, but leftists will never stfu about theirs. Then get mad when you challenge them, after taking their shit forever.

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acp_k2win 12 points ago +12 / -0

liberals that constantly shove their opinions, politics, beliefs and ideology down your throat and in your face

Marxism is their religion and like most religions it requires its adherents to proselytize and sing its praises.

Remember that when neomarxists "communicate" they mean something different than normal people. Normal people communicate to exchange information, maybe learn something new, maybe influence the future decisions of the people they are communicating with.

To neomarxists the content of the message is irrelevent, instead they have 3 goals when they "express themselves".

  1. signal their personal loyalty to the revolution (virtue signal),
  2. sort the targets of the audience into allies and enemies of the revolution based on the reactions
  3. attack the enemies of the revolution (satisfy their personal petty sadism through social violence knowing they risk nothing in doing so)
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novanleon 8 points ago +8 / -0

When a Leftist looks at you, they don't see a person, they just see a series of checkboxes for ideology and identity. They don't actually know how to relate to other people outside of these checkboxes. It's very sad.

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folx 12 points ago +12 / -0

In my case, the role-play groups I've seen was filled to the brim with mentally unstable autists amd trannies. It's crazy how these types of people are everywhere nowadays.

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Assassin47 13 points ago +13 / -0

Modern culture coddles people with mental weaknesses, and the Internet lets them stay in hugboxes with other crazies instead of having to figure out how to act normal to survive.

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fake_namington 8 points ago +8 / -0

I haven't played an RPG since 2014, entirely because every. single. group will be ruined with trannies trying to molest me, or fat joyless frog-faced women fun-policing the entire game/house/store.

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ShadistIsACuck 12 points ago +12 / -0

Literal subhuman behavior.

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bobobob 7 points ago +7 / -0

Accurate use of the word 'bigot' here. They're seem to be completely intolerant of your views.

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Vegi 6 points ago +6 / -0

I experienced something like this in a wow guild. I was the GM. The raid lead blindsided me that he couldnt be around somebody with my politics and tried to get everyone to leave and make a new group. Nobody of value went with him. His new group collapsed within 1 raid tier. My group is still going years later. He ended up alienating all his friends.

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Gizortnik 6 points ago +6 / -0

Your views put you at odds with me. I cannot imagine why you would want to remain.

This is the call of an ideological zealot.

There's plenty of complete ideological and philosophical differences on this sub, and I know for a fact I could play DND with at least 80% of you.

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Valis3 6 points ago +6 / -0

D&D is filled with casuals. And casuals care more about "acceptance, inclusion, diversity' than in the core rules. It's a plague in most table RPGs.

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Hoofa 6 points ago +6 / -0

A similar thing happened in the Order of the Stick forums. The author wrote a comic in favor of Goblin reparations, and they started banning people left and right from the forums for being against the concept.

Dude, at least 83% of America is against reparations (too low imo). Get the hint and figure out they have better points than you do.

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Iuviuv 5 points ago +5 / -0

Burn down their house with them inside?

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Benevolentdictator 6 points ago +6 / -0

Tough, but fair.

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ParadigmShift2070 5 points ago +7 / -2

lol I'm not kicking you out, you're kicking yourself out because you can't possibly want to have anything to do with me

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redkrab 5 points ago +5 / -0

fucking commie. probably a jew too.

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SamuelColt 4 points ago +4 / -0

Hijack the group from him. Replace him as DM. Contact all the other players and invite them over for a game without him.

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spambot 1 point ago +1 / -0

provided they arnt too simlar to the dm that may work

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FlauntandStraunt 3 points ago +3 / -0

I know of a group not sure of their political stripe but they are extremely Gatekeeper about who they let in. You'll have to find the entry point and and submit your membership. Even then if you get an interview from the mods that doesn't mean you'll get in. It's quite a process.