Got kicked out of a D&D group because I said the wage gap wasn't real, lol.
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Unfortunately DnD is full of people like this. I honestly think it is time some non-political or even conservative RPG groups were made.
The reason there aren't many is because escapism and even the concept of "entertainment" itself is, at its base level, an extension of childhood. It embodies the "liberal" ethos that reality itself is something "oppressive" and the womanly behavior of avoiding problems by distracting herself.
I know we aren't robots but the ideal man is one who doesn't "waste time". He has "put away his childish things" and has planted himself firmly facing the real world, no matter how awful it is.
I'm not saying that to put anyone down, I certainly don't live up to that ideal. But that is the reason there aren't more conservative led fandoms or rpg groups. A "manly" hobby is something that is also a practical skill or a challenge. Something like gardening or repairing small engines.
You're not entirely wrong, but control of the humanities has been a huge component of the SJW march through the institutions. Ignoring them has been to nothing but our detriment. Manly hobbies are totally well and good, but do you think the cranky old man whittling on his porch has a profound impact on culture? He might pass his whittling ways on to a kid or two, but all the kids have spent time watching YouTube, shows or movies and playing games.
Did an olive oil maker have more influence in ancient Greece, or a playwright?
Did a cattle farmer have more impact on future generations, or did Shakespeare?
Have more people been inspired by the employee-of-the-month UPS driver, or by Matt Mercer?
Entertainment and the humanities are not a waste of time (at least not entirely). That's why the enemy has spent so much time and effort to completely capture them. They would hate it if our games and shows broke away from their control. If not us, then who?
This is a very underrated comment. While political conservatives have been been busy "getting things done" the left has been seizing control of our culture and continuously shifting what is "normal" their direction.
Both you and u/acp_k2win are 100% correct, but this begs the question, why are the humanities so influential?
I'd wager it's because people are flawed, life is hard and people will continually seek escapism if given the opportunity.
By controlling the avenues for escapism that exist, you can control the narrative. By controlling the narrative you can reinforce good cultural values, but by creating avenues for escapism, you're also enabling undesirable behavior. To do something positive, you need to do something negative. It's a quandary.
Unfortunately I agree with you. I've been thinkin about it for a long time and as an adult that likes computer games and board games I can't say it has had any positive impact on my life.
I look at neighbors that I admire, not one plays computer games, they have hobbies like starting small businesses, repairing a vintage car, hunting or camping and fishing.
The idea of sitting around a table and playing pretend with a bit of math is ridiculous by comparison.
Take everything in moderation. Playing games every now and then as a break is just a hobby. Playing them all the time everyday is excessive. You can pick up a hobby that’s not games and still play them every now and then and still get things accomplished
Its like people who preach abstinence and nofap only. In theory its the type of aspirational ideal to strive for. In reality it drives most people insane and they will break down one way or another soon enough. There is a balance to be found and trying to take the opposite extreme will drive most people to madness, and this applies to most things.
One of those wacky Christian ideals is the idea that sin is inevitable and human, as long as you are working on it and recognizing when you fail you are still good.
I've tried to justify my gaming addictions by learning how to make games. Now I don't play any fewer games, I just enjoy them less because I'm analyzing their mechanics from a developer/designer perspective.
Good for you, that is at least a new knowledge-set and perhaps a marketable skill - if not outright providing a source of income. I used to dev as a hobby but still wasted a lot of time playing games. I came to the conclusion that games are an addictive time-sink that takes creative people away from making their own games or other interesting works of art.
Analyzing games makes me enjoy them more.
I understand that view. Board gaming is something I did with my friends when I didnt have a family. Now j might meet up with my old board gaming crew once a year.
My wife and I made a decision to not get a TV when got married. We mostly sit around and read books. We do play the occasional board game though. The kids like them. My oldest has been after me to GM a mouse guard campaign.
TL:DR. Spend time with your family doing things your whole family can enjoy
The hobby that got me enough skill to start earning money for myself by writing story commissions for people is not practical, or challenging? News to me. My income from story commissions disagrees, and that income could be a LOT higher if I put more work into it.
RPGs are closely tied with storytelling and with art in general. A combination of acting, writing and worldbuilding, all combining together to create a form of art that is more fulfilling and enriching than most other art. And that is apparently less valuable than carving wood? Both involve the creation of something valuable, one is just more mental, while the other is more physical.
Does the ideal man reject art?
I don't think I said anything like that. The "childish things" refers to passive consumption and being reactive to world around you, rather than being active and creating and choosing your path despite setbacks and obstacles.
Intent matters. There is a difference between "ingesting" and "consuming". In my example I can play a game for a couple of hours and learn ALMOST everything I'm going to get out it from a game design perspective. But if I keep playing after that (and the next day, and the next day) I'm just wasting time because that is easier than getting to all of the stupid "real life" stuff I have to deal with.
May I ask how you got into writing stories for commission? I think I could be pretty good at that.
almost all practical skill and utilitarian hobbies are overrun by conservatives nowadays, but escapism adds a whole other dimension. geek escapist hobbies are probably something like 90% liberal, 9% libertarian, <1% conservative, but other escapist hobbies like sports and concerts and media are all over the place.
Sports seems to be leaning hard left, at least in the 40 and under demographics.
I've stopped frequenting a lot of my previous sports haunts because there is so much rabid antivaxx hate against players, blind MeToo support, BLM BS, etc.
There's a difference between spectator sports and participation sports. Anything that's consumed from the couch is trending overwhelmingly leftist/NPC, while anything that requires active participation and mental engagement is, for obvious reasons, going the other way.
talking about the actual attendees and players, not the media casting it
I had a great time playing D&D a couple times as a kid, but as an adult I have zero interest in it and the reason is because of the DM system.
Maybe it's the lobster in me, but having somebody in charge of everything and arbitrarily deciding what happens and what's what is something I just can't stand. Even watching others 'play' and beg the DM for favorable treatment is revolting. I feel like, do the players not have any dignity?
I still love games like Baldur's Gate II with a computer DM because of the fantasy of being in the D&D world, the story, and being able to explore morality, but I don't feel like that's why these liberals are playing D&D. It's the obeisance roleplay that attracts them.
All my friends are either apolitical, moderate or Conservative, we play D&D alright, warhammmer 40k, cyberpunk etc.
You are lucky. I rarely found conservatives to be in to D&D or boardgames. I do not mind it as much until someone randomly starts holding a monologue about why immigration is a human right.
I stopped watching some niche Twitch streamers after they dropped the mask and started babbling about Trump and "misinformation".
Even when they went back to focusing on the content, I couldn't unsee it and enjoy them the same way again.
Just get your friends into it. That's how it worked for me.
Conservatives are the reason dnd is like this. It was called the satanic panic and it's the reason me or anyone I know never played growing up. There was plenty of interest, my parents were more interested in keeping me away from it though.
We tried getting a group together a few years ago but we saw the woke BS bleeding into everything so we found other stuff to do. Dnd has been destroyed. I see it as the "seize the means of production" problem. Assets are a means and they're taking it purely to push commie ideology. Once you reach that point I think it's better to abandon and start new.
The Satanic Panic was only possible due to therapists and counselors helping implant or foster false memories. The Psychology field has been a Leftist shithole for nearing a hundred years.
Conservatives are far from blameless in fostering all those crazes, but it was very bipartisan. Especially once the 90s rolled around.
I've come around to the position that they were right all along. Satan has his claws deep into it.
Look at the current state of dnd. Gay tieflings and rainbow haired characters everywhere. It's SJW mecca. It's one of satan's favourite games clearly. Knowing who plays dnd, I'll not be letting my kid join for those same reasons. I don't think it's actual spells like in the 80s, but I know who plays and what they talk about. No.
My experience is the church sourced it. Everything from DND, MTG, Pokemon, all the way into idol worship. Pretty cookie cutter as far as preaching goes.
The one thing the pastor did get right was the Disney gay agenda. I always thought the argument about Timon and Pumba pushing the gay lifestyle was sketchy at best but current politics seem to say otherwise.
My friend's "DEMOCRATS ARE THE ONLY ONES FOR THE PEOPLE" mom banned Pokemon the same way the church moms did.
The problem is most of us grew up in tiny towns where Conservatives where the majority and the church was the source of everything. Granting a bad sample size of reality.
They exist! While you're at it, try out older editions. B/X or AD&D. There are crowds both young and old that play these editions, and they tend to attract more "normal" players. As an aside, if your DM ever makes it a point to discuss which topics are "acceptable" for a fucking fantasy game, I suggest get out and never look back. Same thing when it comes to abandoning gaming systems that have woke content in their rulebooks.
I ABSOLUTELY FUCKING AGREE
So let's go.
How do we start?
think you left the mod tag on dom, or is it stuck on for every post. not the guy but i think its obvous grab a cup and roll for inititive if you build it they will come return hate with hate and comradre with comradre and try to have fun most of all.
Nope, the Mod cap stays on for that one. I want to push that.
Thing is, I can't DM anything, so I can't really organize it myself.
you might surprise yourself if you fly by the seat of your pants, if your problem is story related why not start with the simple rat celler style campain for session zero something fast and easy and requires little plot, if your problem is getting folks to show or just finding them up why not use the internet and make a discord/teamspeak and roll20/tabletop sim and put a link up here sticky optional for when dnd/ table top is and let it grow from there, if writing itself is your weakpoint... well i cant give many sugestions there maybe watch terable writing advice on youtube and read the fics on the ppc wiki for examples of what not to do and what to do?