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– LibertyIz4boomers 25 points 2 years ago +25 / -0

Star Trek.

I hate little shits who say it was always woke.

Did Starfleet have affirmative action? Did they limit the number of Vulcan science officers or Tellerite engineers?

Did the Federation have speech laws?

Was Uhura livid when an alien reproduction of Abe Lincoln call her a "charming negress"? Did she NOT say, "In our time we learned not to be afraid of words"?

In star trek voyager episode "living witness" didn't an alien character demonstrate opposition to the moral of the story (getting past racial strife) by angrily saying "EVERYTHING is about race!"?

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– Smith1980 10 points 2 years ago +10 / -0

Amen. I know I need to watch Picard season 3 but the rest is terrible I heard. I was going to give discovery a chance when it was announced but then the cast posted a photo of them taking a knee. Also, I’ve seen Gen z “fans” losing their mind over the charming negress line. The moral of that is over their heads.

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– Vivs3rdSock 11 points 2 years ago +11 / -0

I know I need to watch Picard season 3

No you don't.

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– Smith1980 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Really? I heard it’s good and doesn’t crap on fans

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– CarmenOfSandiego 8 points 2 years ago +8 / -0

Spoilers below.

I'll interject and float my standard response to PIC season 3. In order to get a show about Picard to work they needed to go back to TNG. It's pandering out the nose. It brings back anyone it can and often in really stupid ways. Ro Laren comes back. Shelby, that blonde female commander who was stationed on the Enterprise D when Picard was assimilated comes back. Even the Enterprise D comes back!

It also continues to rip off the plot of other shows/franchises. Season 1 is literally the plot to Mass Effect 1. Alien device warning about robot space tentacles that want to stop the rise of synths. This time it steals the plot to the start of the rebooted Battlestar Galactica. It's extremely fucking lazy.

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– acp_k2win 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Mass effect rips off Star Control 3 whis is a crime because Starcon 2 is far superior

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– Vivs3rdSock 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

It's blatant pandering after the previous two seasons fucked up. Do not accept their attempts to woo you back, they will backhand you again just as soon.

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– deleted 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0
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– WeedleTLiar 8 points 2 years ago +8 / -0

I haven't watched Star Trek since voyager, but damn if they didn't do Picard dirty.

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– Graphenium 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

Star Trek has definitely always been progressive, it’s just that “progressive” in ‘66 meant something very different than it means today (e.g. from “let’s judge people as individuals” to “let’s judge people as groups”, ironically {?})

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– weltallic 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

“progressive” meant something very different than it means today

https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/k46ac5kgab7.mp4

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– CarmenOfSandiego 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

Did they limit the number of Vulcan science officers

Considering there are at least 3 known ships with either complete or majority Vulcan crews it shows there are still very much decision makes along racial lines in the Federation.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/USS_T%27Kumbra

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/USS_Intrepid_(NCC-1631)

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/USS_Hera

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– weltallic 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

Star Trek Voyager

https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/e4gdcl5mv54.mp4

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– Vivs3rdSock 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

DESPITE

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– SouthsideSeneca 17 points 2 years ago +17 / -0

Lord of the Rings. Hasn't been butchered outside one season of one show but I'm afraid they aren't done with it yet.

The number of times that I've heard Galadriel referred to as a girlboss is infuriating. The concepts in the books, especially the stuff on the first and second age, are weighty. The can't be reduced to "swings a sword and yells a lot" or "the force lol" but it seems that's all that modern writers can comprehend.

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– IfThatIsWhatYouThunk 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

Lord of the Rings is fine, at least until they decide to butcher the books. Anything beyond those and the movies may as well not exist.

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– SoctaticMethod1 16 points 2 years ago +16 / -0

Mass effect, I KNOW they had a different story plan for 3 involving dark matter but leaks thanks to journalists made them change to the ending we got then Andromeda made it worse.

Other than that, ANY other EA title I randomly pull out of a hat..

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– BetterNameUnfound 21 points 2 years ago +21 / -0

Note to self: Never change stories due to leaks. Always stick with the original plan--it's better long-term.

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– Smith1980 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

Which show did that? I remember hearing about it bout can’t remember which one

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– 8BitArchitect 17 points 2 years ago +17 / -0

Westworld. Someone/several people on r*ddit figured out we weren't watching one chronological narrative, but two intertwined ones, and I believe figured out the plot of S2 before it aired, so they changed the S2 plot and the show just went downhill from there (even if I enjoyed it up to S3.)

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– BetterNameUnfound 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

Holy shit. Case in point.

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– Smith1980 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

Westworld was such a good show and then it went off the deep end

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– Assassin47 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

What was the original idea?

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– 8BitArchitect 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

No idea, but I don't think anything more than S2 would have been saved, because I'm pretty sure they were working toward the same general idea (at least until the show got cancelled.)

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– BetterNameUnfound 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

No no, that was in regards to Soctatic's comment.

Though I can name at least one comic book storyline that changed the identity of its main villain because its plans got leaked...in 1991.

DC's story Armageddon 2001 was supposed to have its main villain, Monarch, revealed to be Captain Atom. However, somehow, word of this got out--keep in mind this was before any of us had the internet--and they changed it, after most of the foreshadowing had already been done, to have the reveal be Hawk, of Hawk and Dove.

NOBODY liked this change...that being said, with over 30 years of hindsight, the story wouldn't have been that much better even if Captain Atom had stayed Monarch.

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– DemolitionsPanda 11 points 2 years ago +11 / -0

But Dude! You got three different colored endings! How can you want more than that. You must have gotten such a feeling of pride and accomplishment for unlocking all three different colours!

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– realerfunction 8 points 2 years ago +8 / -0

i still remember going back and doing the other two in utter disbelief

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– CarmenOfSandiego 8 points 2 years ago +8 / -0

For bonus points you can learn that the 3 endings aren't even original ideas. It's a literal lift of the ending options to the original Deus Ex from 2000.

https://deusex.fandom.com/wiki/Deus_Ex_endings

Merge with Helios AI

New Dark Age

Join Illuminati

Sound familiar? In order those are the Synthesis, Destroy, and Control endings.

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– realerfunction 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

my preferred choice was the extended cut's "refusal" until they said words to the effect of "the next cycle fixed your mistake and chose a color"

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– DemolitionsPanda 7 points 2 years ago +7 / -0

The important thing is that the EA executives made their quarterly earning projections and got a massive bonus!

Then, this is so good, they sold gamers DLC to slightly unfuck the ending! I mean it is still fucked forever, but more profitable!

EA sets the standards for the industry!

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– realerfunction 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

joke's on them it killed any interest i ever had in the series and i don't think i've ever bought or played anything ea since.

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– deleted 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0
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– smokeypanda 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

There's a 50 part blog series about how the planned story morphed as 2 ME 2 and 3 were produced, along with other critque.

https://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=27792

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– Graphenium 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

Any sources on what the original story could have been? I remember being so let down in 3 that basically the best option was transhumanistic cuckery

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– SoctaticMethod1 11 points 2 years ago +11 / -0

If I remember right, it was alluded to in 2 in the Quarian quests in that they found unusual amounts of dark matter in a star.

The premise was going to be the mass effect technology was CAUSING dark matter build up and that the Reapers had to purge advanced life everytime they mass developed the technology to stop all stars dying out and ending the galaxy.

I have this Pcgamer article from 2013 that goes into more detail, sounds a lot better than the ending we got.

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– Norenia 8 points 2 years ago +8 / -0

I don't know the definitive source, but it was the stuff Tali was researching in her recruitment mission in 2, notice how such a strange anomaly went completely ignored in 3?

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– Grant_us_eyes 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

I almost want to say that it basically turned Mass Effect into a re-hash of the Xeelee cycle in Space Opera form, but I could be completely off on that.

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– Graphenium 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Wow that series sounds really interesting (from the really zoomed out 2-3 paragraph description on wiki), is it good reading?

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– MargarineMongoose 14 points 2 years ago +14 / -0

Baldur's Gate

It didn't even get heavily damaged, I just prioritize it incredibly highly as it's one of the greatest games ever made and I have a lot of emotional/sentimental investment in it. I also just don't want any more additions to the series and would like to banish BG3 into non-existence for the heresy of trying to wear Baldur's Gate's skin.

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– CarmenOfSandiego 9 points 2 years ago +9 / -0

There is no Baldur's Gate 3. The story ends with Throne of Bhaal, one way or another. Anything after is a cash grab. Of which there have been several now.

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– MargarineMongoose 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Correct.

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– ApparentlyImAHeretic 14 points 2 years ago +14 / -0

Warcraft.

I could never get into world of warcraft, and I've always been shit at RTS games, but I genuinely loved the Warcraft RTS games regardless. They did an excellent job with world building and navigating nuanced characters. The Well of Eternity book series was also really good.

World of Warcraft added nothing to the story on its initial release, and slowly chipped away at the integrity of the world and characters with each expansion. The rot has only snowballed into levels I couldn't even fathom 10 years ago.

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– Hugs 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

As soon as they made that TCG with codes that worked for in-game mounts, I knew it was over. I loved early WoW.

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– Smith1980 13 points 2 years ago +13 / -0

That is very tough. I’d say Star Wars. Although I’ll always have the EU on my shelf.

I sympathize with Dr Who. Stopped watching with Jodie and I heard about the latest one.

Would be nice to simply have a comic book industry that understands that men and women tend to like different things

Wheel of Time. Need I say more

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– deleted 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0
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– Hellsbells00 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

Wheel of time only has the bad television show, it's hardly ruined yet. The books are still fine and the show is dead, so there's still salvageable potential there.

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– CarmenOfSandiego 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

Wheel of time only has the bad television show

Have you not seen the previous tv adaptation with Billy Zane? It's shit for completely different reasons.

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– Hellsbells00 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

The what? No, I'd never heard of it. Not surprised it sucks though.

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– Smith1980 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

True. I guess I couldn’t resist putting it down. I loved the books

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– MLGS 13 points 2 years ago +13 / -0

Star Wars, we'd have gotten a Heir to the Empire trilogy after the prequels and The Last Command would have grossed 3 billion dollars.

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– WeedleTLiar 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

This, along with LotR, seems like the easiest to fix because there are hours of pre-written stories ready to go.

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– MLGS 7 points 2 years ago +7 / -0

Disney throwing out the EU and then complaining about how they didn't have any ideas for Star Wars stories was such an insane move I still don't understand how it happened.

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– Grant_us_eyes 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

KK probably hated the idea of taking story concepts from people more successful than her.

IE, everyone.

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– LastRights 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Disney is garbage, but the EU wasn't so spectacular either. Those out of galaxy aliens? More Star Trek than Star Wars.

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– deleted 11 points 2 years ago +11 / -0
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– ArchRespawnsAgain 11 points 2 years ago +11 / -0

Spider-Man

While I'm fond of Spider-Man and especially lament the latest game being shit, this is largely a strategic choice. It's one of the few IPs that still makes bank after going woke.

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– Smith1980 10 points 2 years ago +10 / -0

Him and Superman are my all time favorites. I even read Miles Morales until an issue about kids in cages and I’ve heard it’s gotten worse. I think Spectacular Spider-Man is a very underrated series of comics.

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– dagthegnome 9 points 2 years ago +9 / -0

It's not exactly "saving," as the book still exists, but I would kill to get a faithful, Peter Jackson-esque interpretation of the Second Age and the Silmarillion on screen.

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– WeedleTLiar 11 points 2 years ago +11 / -0

Why the hell did they make three Hobbit movies when they could literally have had "Gandalf vs the Necromancer" and "Rise of the Lich King", canonically?

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– dagthegnome 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

This. Also I just want to see Fingolfin fighting Morgoth. Nothing more badass has ever occurred in the history of fiction.

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– RoulerBleu 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

I watched the Hobbit trilogy back-to-back on some streaming website and you can witness the woke cancer grow, with creeping non-Whites background characters and inserted fraudulent "Mrs Kickass elf-dwarf romance" female character.

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– lgbtqwtfbbq 7 points 2 years ago +7 / -0

For TV Rome probably could have benefitted from an extra season instead of trying to wrap up all the storylines in Season 2 .

For movies I would have liked to see what they had planned for the Master and Commander sequels they were originally going to do.

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– tappydans 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

Marvel! Imagine all of the woke shit movies replaced with more of the good stuff, and no tv series about promiscuous twerking lady hulks or whatever.

Gosh they really shot themselves in the foot.

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– RondoOBlongo 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

She Hulk could have been a fun series but modern writers are unable to make a parody out of love and admiration for the originals

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– RoulerBleu 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

How dare you suggest that Thor crowing a black woman as queen of Asgard is woke and the movies needs a redo! ( I just loled and lost all interest at that point. )

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– RondoOBlongo 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

I'd love an actual Castlevania anime in the style of Vampire Hunter D

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– Piroko 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

If you could retroactively save one series

I reject your line of thinking entirely. You're lamenting your inability to get "more of that thing you liked". If you only rarely have expectations you are only ever rarely disappointed.

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– SR388-SAX 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

I'd save myself from exposure to people's Twitter output entirely. I can't count the number of things that were fine when they were created, where if I try to watch/listen to them now I can only think "fuck you, commie."

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– DefinitelyNotIGN 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

One of the "Stars": Star Wars, Star Trek, or Star Gate. Or you know what, even Star Craft.

Sci-fi is incredibly important in driving technological innovations and inventions. It's amazing what people see as a fantasy on screen, and then go "but how could that happen for real?". And of the science fictions, Trek and Wars are likely the most influential, though one is more space fantasy, they both still inspired programmers and scientists and engineers alike.

My future comfort, my future health, my future convenience, all are at risk because Star Trek sucks now. Which is a VERY weird thing to say, but oddly enough, is true. The fewer inspired inventors, scientists, engineers, and programmers we have, the worse off we all are, opportunity-cost-wise.

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– Graphenium 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Did you like Battlestar Galactica? That one’s getting a(nother) reboot soon.

I quite enjoyed the merging of sci-fi and “metaphysical themes” we saw in the 2000’s reboot

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– Graphenium 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

Destiny

Star Wars/Trek

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– Smith1980 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

What happened with Destiny?

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– Norenia 8 points 2 years ago +8 / -0

Destiny was always in a bad spot. Base game unworthy, first couple DLCs unworthy. I never considered the first game worthy until Taken King was released as a complete edition for less than $60. And I'm pretty sure things kept spiraling out of control with Destiny 2, and entire plotlines have been removed from the current version of the game. I can hardly call it worth saving.

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– undecidedmask2 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

I tried to get into it a few years ago, I had fun. Then they took out some of the plotlines I was doing and shook everything up. Left immediately. Fun world but I think I would enjoy it more if it was a full singleplayer.

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– Graphenium 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

The issues with monetization/ gameplay/ content aren’t even what I meant, despite the fact they’re so bad that in and of themselves, even barring the woke faggery of “Trans@Bungie” and the like, that they disqualify the game as worth anyone’s attention

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– Smith1980 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

Oh, ok. I think I remember hearing that. Along with the fact it bent the knee to the message

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– Graphenium 7 points 2 years ago +7 / -0

Went from probably the most intriguing and promising new property/franchise to pure LGBTroon panderfesting - 3+ years ago there were more canonically homosexual/transgender characters than there were heterosexual ones. I can only imagine it’s done nothing but slide further away from the Light since then.

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– Smith1980 10 points 2 years ago +10 / -0

It always annoys me when we are mocked for saying there is a gay agenda. What else do you call a massive over representation of a tiny portion of the population

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– undecidedmask2 10 points 2 years ago +10 / -0

Antisemitism?

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– Hullohoomans 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

The lord of the rings.

The hobbit trilogy was shit.

The silmarilion show is super shit.

Most of the games are utter shit.

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– acp_k2win 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Mordor games are great

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– LastRights 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

There was one PS2 game that was fun, though. Forgot the name, but it had you fighting hordes of orcs and goblins in a 'replay the movie' kind of fashion from a third person perspective.

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– Mischief_Maven 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

At least we can fall back on the animated adaption of the Hobbit and the video game from 2003.

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– rentfREEEE_since2016 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

Futurama.

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– NatalieBiden 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Isn’t it on season 11?

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– rentfREEEE_since2016 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

The writing is complete garbage. Needs the original writing staff.

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– FN15DMRII 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

Game of Thrones.

A Song of Ice and Fire is one of my favorite book series, and the first 4 seasons of the show were amazing. It is an absolute travesty what those faggots did to the show. I was an idiot and still hoped that they would be able to eventually turn it around as each season the quality noticeably declined. And then Season 8 came out and crushed all of my hopes. Fuck Benioff and Weiss. I will hate them forever.

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– dagthegnome 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

The harsh reality is that, hamfisted execution aside, a lot of the really contentious plot points in GoT Season 8 probably came from George, not from the Daves. Daenerys going full Richard III was almost certainly Martin's intention, and that bullshit about Bran becoming King because "best storytellers make the best decisions" is right up George's conceited, self-indulgent alley.

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– FN15DMRII 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

George rightfully gets a lot of criticism, but I could see all of those retarded aspects of the ending at least being built up properly if done by someone who cares. Granted, George himself probably isn't even going to do it, so eventually some other asshole will probably come along and try to accomplish it after his death.

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– Smith1980 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

I agree but George deserves blame for being too lazy to finish

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– FN15DMRII 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

True. He fucked himself over after the 3rd book by introducing way more of the world than he would ever be able to resolve. I wish he had just wrapped up the original story threads faster so he could go on to make endless Targaryan stories like he seems to actually like doing.

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– -Fender- 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

GRRM is also to blame for that one, though. Yes, Dumb and Dumber did make nonsensical changes, completely forgot about realistic travel time, contradicted events constantly and altered characters to be convenient to the plot rather than consistent. But GRRM had promised that the books would be done in time, so they wouldn't have to write seasons blindly. It's been over 12 years since ADwD came out, and there's still no evidence that it'll be done soon. GRRM made so many interconnected plots and characters with opposing motives that he himself has no idea how to end his series, hence why he's been hitting a wall for over a decade. Is it any surprise that the two idiots with a deadline and a budget couldn't come up with something decent?

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– Hellsbells00 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Halo. While the games aren't really all that spectacular gameplay wise, imagining a world where they continued off how good reach's campagin was, never went for mtx hell and made the games actually live up to the potential of the series, it would still be a cultural icon. And halo was a cultural vehicle for based politics, you're literally fighting scheming goblins and space islam for the survival of the human race.

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– Vaako23 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Rings of Power in the same spirit like the movies and same quality armors and actors.

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– acp_k2win 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Arrow, the 100

They started so well and then dove into the toilet.

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– Khenal 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

Was Firefly ruined, or did it simply die? Perhaps before its time, but I'm not sure it ever lived long enough to become the villain.

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– KrebStar2000 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

Well, it died due to network fuckery, however it is my opinion the Whedon would have ruined it, given enough time. I would have liked to have more, but perhaps it’s a blessing in disguise that it ended when it did.

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– Sneak_King 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

I don't get what people think they want out of Firefly. It absolutely would have fallen apart in another half season. They were already doing call-back episodes and shrinking the world in the one season they got.

I've only ever seen two opinions on Firefly: it had 3-4 good episodes and a lot of filler. Or it was 100% bangers. I'm in the second camp (Shindig being one of my favorites). It's basically an exceptional mini-series that the showrunner wasn't given a chance to ruin. I'm very happy with that.

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– Frankly_George 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

I was so pissed when they canceled and made that shitty movie instead of season three of TTSC! Heck I’ve seen all the other movies and I still haven’t seen that one. Every time I go to watch it I just get mad all over again at what was stolen from us.

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