Allowing normies to access the internet was a catastrophic mistake. If we had properly bullied these idiots off of the internet back in the late 2000s like we should have, we would not be in the mess we are right now.
I call for more trolling, more shitposting and a campaign to drive the normies from the internet. Make it so toxic and unwelcoming to them and their worldview that they no longer desire to engage with it. Maybe the solution is more AI bots on every platform, but trained using the worst corners of 4chan.
The regime is run by people that still aren't bullied enough. Yoel Roth describing how twatter jannies were traumatized by the Stop the Steal rally demonstrated that that he and his former staff need to regularly get swirly'd and stuffed in lockers.
Yeah I reckon this was the major one - It just made it far too easy to be a brain dead retard from anywhere. Apps pretty much ruined the internet ecosystem
It's funny that Peterson, who only woke up to the whole online communication thing maybe 10 years ago, thinks he knows better than the people who have been doing this since the beginning.
He's doing what all the SJWs do; invade a space and then try to change all the rules to his liking under the guise of morality.
Normalfag is 4chan lingo, wherein everyone is x-fag, to remind everyone they are always fags no matter what label they otherwise are. Because none of us are special online.
Jordan Peterson is making it harder and harder to defend him.
Don't get me wrong, I think some of his self help stuff was pretty helpful for many people, so he probably is still a net positive...but it's getting harder and harder to stand his terrible takes and his pseudointellectual word salad nonsense.
"anonymous cowardly troll demons" and "sadistic Machiavellian psychopaths and narcissists"...I mean, really?
Jordan Peterson is an idiot, but an idiot who was in the right place at the right time, and who helped a lot of people by doing the very bare minimum and being a male role model...not even a perfect one, but one who at least existed.
So, yeah, I'm not on the JBP hate train like a lot of people but, damn, he's wrong on a lot of stuff. And the fact that he's helped a lot of people really says more about the state of our current society than it does about him.
Thankfully, he doesn't need to be defended, and I say that as someone who is more pro-JBP than most here.
Just take his good ideas and pass them along. Shit, take credit for them if you want. JBP certainly doesn't have a monopoly on observing the world. I hope he comes around again, but I've metaphorically met too many heroes in the last decade to waste any time hanging around to find out.
He's a canadian. Being a cuck is in his national identity. He has some intelligent things to say on social issues but no American should ever listen to a canuck cuck talk about fundamental liberties, because they do not understand them.
Agreed. He's still got a lot of good stuff about psychology and the bible, and he's got a lot of interesting interviews, but everything he says on twitter seems to be retarded.
I also really don't trust the Daily Wire; they seem like they're just capitalizing on the zeitgeist and would sell their audience out for a shekel.
I've always disliked his random clout outside of what he actually earned but I also see his point. I just heavily disagree with it. It it was some government sanctioned forum for official political discussion then sure have real names but that's not what Twitter is and it's international as well
I think some of his self help stuff was pretty helpful for many people, so he probably is still a net positive
Just remember this applies to almost all snake oil salesmen, evangelists, and fake tv "doctors" like Dr Phil. People just think those are bad because they didn't help them personally, and it looks cringe or exploitative because of that. The same way "clean your room/penis" looks to people who Peterson isn't helpful towards.
Placebo effect means basically any form of self help that isn't actively exploiting you will help, probably immensely.
It's as tone deaf as Tim Pool saying everyone should just leave wherever they live and head to the woods like he was saying at the height of the 2020 riots
He actually has a lot of wierd takes. He hit the nail on the head on compelled speech and the necessity of responsibility to man's happiness (inb4 tradcuck) but when you move in to areas that aren't within his field he starts to sound like a squeaky bill nye
He’s simultaneously attempting to win over those who never liked him while alienating his fan base who made him who he is… guy lost it a long time ago and just keeps pushing forward with these nonsense takes instead of just fading into obscurity and maintaining a bit of credibility.
Honestly, either is what you are saying and he is less smart then people give him credit or he is receiving money to "de-radicalize".
Since he has returned to the public eye, I had a feeling that his medical bills are huge and he may strike such a deal.
Peterson has the smell of Tavistock on him. He and Timothy Leary both created a small cult following at Harvard. Leary prevented the radical left from being a threat to the regime, and Peterson has been similarly screwing with the K-lines of the right.
High profile to you isn't high profile to everyone. Let's have a little reality check, very few people outside of our little community ever hear about regular people getting canceled and are only vaguely aware of people like Dankula, Peterson included.
Even if they are, people like Tim Pool and Peterson believe that you should have to face getting canceled rather than be anonymous because, again, they survived it so you should be able to too. They can't seem to understand that they are flukes, outliers with more talent than the average normie.
It's a bad take, but they didn't come to it because they're dumb and we're smart, we're just more realistic than they are.
Eh, I agree there, even if there are greater consequences for regular people. I won't work a job that I don't feel ethical doing and I say what I like.
The problem with online discourse is that anyone can take anything you say, strip the context, and make it mean whatever they like. That's not even mentioning a case where you find yourself wrong about something and change your mind later. And employers often care more about internet drama than hiring qualified workers (not to mention government "hate" laws).
If we want to have true discourse, we should be annonymous, so that we can explore uncomfortable ideas without them being held against us. I wish we were civilized enough that people understood this but I doubt we ever will be.
The only reason you need to see who you are discussing something with is if you intend to use your clout against them irl.
This is the view of someone who thinks everything revolves around him. Anonymous people are rude to him online, so "mandated speech" (opposition to which first made him famous) and other limits on expression around the world suddenly stop existing. People have had knocks on their door for far less offensive things than calling someone a "sadistic Machiavellian psychopath" - in the UK recently it was "muppet" (offline), in Germany it was "dick". It doesn't even have to be a direct insult. Satire can get you unwanted attention too. Even criticism.
If he believes what he said, then he is a sadistic Machiavellian psychopathic narcissist.
Expectation: online discourse becomes less toxic and a more idealized vision of the commons where ideas can only be expressed honestly for better or for worse, since your real name would be attached to it
Started to read that and it's exactly what I figured. Anyone not 12 probably doesn't need this guy to spoonfed them why Jordan is an overrated hack. Anyone over 12 and devotedly following him or Ben "Trumps security totally assaulted my co-worker" Shapiro is a lost cause. Muh "Judeo Christian"
Do you need to be verified to vote in polls? Not saying I agree with JBP but that seems like an obvious one they should have.
If you DONT need verification to vote, this is like telling people to vote harder to solve election fraud.
As for Youtube I haven't noticed a relatively high amount of harassment or trolling vs. regular comments. Their mods police comments heavily. Shadowbanning is the norm there. What the hell is he even talking about? Is he mad someone criticized him?
I am against the removal of anonymity online, but if that does happen troons will no longer be able to pretend to be a larger group than they really are.
He's right purely in the sense that communists shouldn't be allowed to have anonymous accounts (or accounts anywhere for that matter), and it's understandable that somebody who is constantly tormented by deranged, psychotic communists would want to take that away from them, but pushing for something like this wouldn't accomplish that.
On the other hand, anonymity protects me from reprisals in real time by the psychos Peterson is so concerned about, who may become enraged by my opinions.
Resolved and revised: there is no other hand. Online anonymity is essential.
"intellectuals" like Jordan Peterson don't have to worry about anonymity because they're not true rebels against the current Status Quo, in fact, Jordan Peterson, in one of his podcasts with Joe Rogan, openly stated that his most of his work is to keep common people from rebelling from the status quo, or as he stated, politically shifting to the right.
Allowing normies to access the internet was a catastrophic mistake. If we had properly bullied these idiots off of the internet back in the late 2000s like we should have, we would not be in the mess we are right now.
I call for more trolling, more shitposting and a campaign to drive the normies from the internet. Make it so toxic and unwelcoming to them and their worldview that they no longer desire to engage with it. Maybe the solution is more AI bots on every platform, but trained using the worst corners of 4chan.
The regime is run by people that still aren't bullied enough. Yoel Roth describing how twatter jannies were traumatized by the Stop the Steal rally demonstrated that that he and his former staff need to regularly get swirly'd and stuffed in lockers.
Smartphones fucked up everything.
Yeah I reckon this was the major one - It just made it far too easy to be a brain dead retard from anywhere. Apps pretty much ruined the internet ecosystem
It's funny that Peterson, who only woke up to the whole online communication thing maybe 10 years ago, thinks he knows better than the people who have been doing this since the beginning.
He's doing what all the SJWs do; invade a space and then try to change all the rules to his liking under the guise of morality.
Veru disappointing.
What would you expect from some interloper who doesn't even know what ASL means?
40/M/No, u? XX ;)
Unfortunately there was too much money to be made from the Internet for that to be a possibility, the normie invasion was an inevitability.
What we should of focused on was gatekeeping to keep them put of our spaces and have the normies stuck in the normie spaces.
"Normies". That includes you too then normalfag
Come at me nigger.
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Don't call each other slurs.
Get rid of Rule 15.
Some decorum should be maintained among the users.
Fine, we'll compromise and you can just get rid of Rule 16 instead.
No, Rule 16 gatekeeps Leftism.
Faggot
Calling mods a slur is explicitly not against the rules.
Rule 15 was created by a Niggerfaggot.
Calling mods slurs is explicitly allowed.
Huh. I am actually somewhat okay with this. Well played.
It was honestly one of the first conversations that took place:
"You mean we can't call you a faggot?"
"No, of course you should call me a faggot. It is tradition."
no u
You've got me there.
This is what you sound like.
Too scared to use the proper -fag appellation. Stop trying to pretend you're not a normalfag
Imagine thinking that conforming to rather childish language affectations makes one somehow special.
Normalfag is 4chan lingo, wherein everyone is x-fag, to remind everyone they are always fags no matter what label they otherwise are. Because none of us are special online.
Jordan Peterson is making it harder and harder to defend him.
Don't get me wrong, I think some of his self help stuff was pretty helpful for many people, so he probably is still a net positive...but it's getting harder and harder to stand his terrible takes and his pseudointellectual word salad nonsense.
"anonymous cowardly troll demons" and "sadistic Machiavellian psychopaths and narcissists"...I mean, really?
Jordan Peterson is an idiot, but an idiot who was in the right place at the right time, and who helped a lot of people by doing the very bare minimum and being a male role model...not even a perfect one, but one who at least existed.
So, yeah, I'm not on the JBP hate train like a lot of people but, damn, he's wrong on a lot of stuff. And the fact that he's helped a lot of people really says more about the state of our current society than it does about him.
Thankfully, he doesn't need to be defended, and I say that as someone who is more pro-JBP than most here.
Just take his good ideas and pass them along. Shit, take credit for them if you want. JBP certainly doesn't have a monopoly on observing the world. I hope he comes around again, but I've metaphorically met too many heroes in the last decade to waste any time hanging around to find out.
He's a canadian. Being a cuck is in his national identity. He has some intelligent things to say on social issues but no American should ever listen to a canuck cuck talk about fundamental liberties, because they do not understand them.
Agreed. He's still got a lot of good stuff about psychology and the bible, and he's got a lot of interesting interviews, but everything he says on twitter seems to be retarded.
I also really don't trust the Daily Wire; they seem like they're just capitalizing on the zeitgeist and would sell their audience out for a shekel.
I've always disliked his random clout outside of what he actually earned but I also see his point. I just heavily disagree with it. It it was some government sanctioned forum for official political discussion then sure have real names but that's not what Twitter is and it's international as well
Just remember this applies to almost all snake oil salesmen, evangelists, and fake tv "doctors" like Dr Phil. People just think those are bad because they didn't help them personally, and it looks cringe or exploitative because of that. The same way "clean your room/penis" looks to people who Peterson isn't helpful towards.
Placebo effect means basically any form of self help that isn't actively exploiting you will help, probably immensely.
-Commissar Peterson
It's as tone deaf as Tim Pool saying everyone should just leave wherever they live and head to the woods like he was saying at the height of the 2020 riots
What's up with Peterson? That is an incredible bad take.
Celebrities despise anonymity because it’s the one thing they can’t have without giving up their clout.
He actually has a lot of wierd takes. He hit the nail on the head on compelled speech and the necessity of responsibility to man's happiness (inb4 tradcuck) but when you move in to areas that aren't within his field he starts to sound like a squeaky bill nye
The constant harrasment from anonymous accounts has stuck in his craw
He’s simultaneously attempting to win over those who never liked him while alienating his fan base who made him who he is… guy lost it a long time ago and just keeps pushing forward with these nonsense takes instead of just fading into obscurity and maintaining a bit of credibility.
Honestly, either is what you are saying and he is less smart then people give him credit or he is receiving money to "de-radicalize". Since he has returned to the public eye, I had a feeling that his medical bills are huge and he may strike such a deal.
Peterson has the smell of Tavistock on him. He and Timothy Leary both created a small cult following at Harvard. Leary prevented the radical left from being a threat to the regime, and Peterson has been similarly screwing with the K-lines of the right.
Holy shit I thought the very same thing about Timothy Leary/Peterson. Peterson rides a different kind of magic bus, just in his head.
I like JP though and I'm glad he's still around to contribute; what a long strange trip he's been.
Being smart doesn't make it any easier to look at a situation from the, pretty much literal, opposite point of view.
High profile to you isn't high profile to everyone. Let's have a little reality check, very few people outside of our little community ever hear about regular people getting canceled and are only vaguely aware of people like Dankula, Peterson included.
Even if they are, people like Tim Pool and Peterson believe that you should have to face getting canceled rather than be anonymous because, again, they survived it so you should be able to too. They can't seem to understand that they are flukes, outliers with more talent than the average normie.
It's a bad take, but they didn't come to it because they're dumb and we're smart, we're just more realistic than they are.
Says who? You?
Eh, I agree there, even if there are greater consequences for regular people. I won't work a job that I don't feel ethical doing and I say what I like.
The problem with online discourse is that anyone can take anything you say, strip the context, and make it mean whatever they like. That's not even mentioning a case where you find yourself wrong about something and change your mind later. And employers often care more about internet drama than hiring qualified workers (not to mention government "hate" laws).
If we want to have true discourse, we should be annonymous, so that we can explore uncomfortable ideas without them being held against us. I wish we were civilized enough that people understood this but I doubt we ever will be.
The only reason you need to see who you are discussing something with is if you intend to use your clout against them irl.
If a normie also has negative articles written about him like JBP does, then it pretty much makes him unemployable
Yeah I know, I was talking about what they do after losing their job.
Big L, Juden Peterstein.
It's actually the opposite. You shouldn't be permitted to have a persistent public identity online.
This is a fascinating take. I like it and will have to think on it.
Juden Peterstein is mad at the comments section here.
https://youtu.be/4OcaMRLTyGI
Comments are too based for him.
This is the view of someone who thinks everything revolves around him. Anonymous people are rude to him online, so "mandated speech" (opposition to which first made him famous) and other limits on expression around the world suddenly stop existing. People have had knocks on their door for far less offensive things than calling someone a "sadistic Machiavellian psychopath" - in the UK recently it was "muppet" (offline), in Germany it was "dick". It doesn't even have to be a direct insult. Satire can get you unwanted attention too. Even criticism.
If he believes what he said, then he is a sadistic Machiavellian psychopathic narcissist.
Expectation: online discourse becomes less toxic and a more idealized vision of the commons where ideas can only be expressed honestly for better or for worse, since your real name would be attached to it
Reality: social credit score
Vox Day was right about him.
He wrote an entire book, "Jordanetics," taking apart his entire philosophy.
But if you don't have time for that, he has a tag by that name on his page for posts about him.
And of course, the ever-relevant phrase "Definitely not meth."
Started to read that and it's exactly what I figured. Anyone not 12 probably doesn't need this guy to spoonfed them why Jordan is an overrated hack. Anyone over 12 and devotedly following him or Ben "Trumps security totally assaulted my co-worker" Shapiro is a lost cause. Muh "Judeo Christian"
He's persistently right about a lot of things.
this sounds identical to every leftist on social media before the massive censorship purges began
Jordan Peterstein shilling for shekels.
Shut up drug addicted moron
JP, I liked you.
You sound vaccinated now...
Is it the season for retarded takes by people who should know better?
"Daddy corporations and government, ban these anonymous trolls! Force digital ID! My feefeels!"
Pathetic.
"Be sure that all the C's are destroyed so the rascals can no further abuse my name."
-Admiral (RN) Cockburn during the Burning of Washington
Do you need to be verified to vote in polls? Not saying I agree with JBP but that seems like an obvious one they should have.
If you DONT need verification to vote, this is like telling people to vote harder to solve election fraud.
As for Youtube I haven't noticed a relatively high amount of harassment or trolling vs. regular comments. Their mods police comments heavily. Shadowbanning is the norm there. What the hell is he even talking about? Is he mad someone criticized him?
You're asking for higher standards for twitter polling than US elections.
I am against the removal of anonymity online, but if that does happen troons will no longer be able to pretend to be a larger group than they really are.
He's right purely in the sense that communists shouldn't be allowed to have anonymous accounts (or accounts anywhere for that matter), and it's understandable that somebody who is constantly tormented by deranged, psychotic communists would want to take that away from them, but pushing for something like this wouldn't accomplish that.
Got dang someone (that's not Mikhaila Peterson) needs to take his twitter from him.
On the other hand, anonymity protects me from reprisals in real time by the psychos Peterson is so concerned about, who may become enraged by my opinions.
Resolved and revised: there is no other hand. Online anonymity is essential.
"intellectuals" like Jordan Peterson don't have to worry about anonymity because they're not true rebels against the current Status Quo, in fact, Jordan Peterson, in one of his podcasts with Joe Rogan, openly stated that his most of his work is to keep common people from rebelling from the status quo, or as he stated, politically shifting to the right.
Shove it up your ass, Peterson, you fucking retarded git.