Avocado oil is the best if you insist on plant based. It has a very high burn temp compared to olive oil, which is the best for basically everything else.
god dammit. Normally I'm not one for regulation, but this case is an exception. At the bare minimum, the product should be what it actually says it is.
The number of times I had to explain that sunflower seed oil should not be heated to people praising it for being polyunsaturated fat.
Then their face when I tell them to use saturated fat for hot cooking because unsaturated fat degrade into trans-fats under high temperatures...
Kind of like how people spent decades buying margarine ''because it's healthier than butter'' but all they were doing was clogging their artery at record speed because their margarine was full of trans-fats.
Information about nutrition by media-picked ''experts'' is pretty much 2/3 harmful ''advice'' 1/6 neutral 1/6 useful.
Sure. When I was growing up butter was considered like heart attack in a stick. My parents never bought it, thinking that they were avoiding health problems. Only ever had it on Passover, when corn or soy oil margarine was prohibited. (The smell of frying butter still says Passover to me, more so even than the matzos.)
Then we found out that margarine is worse... When I took Chem 2 in college, circa 1991, the professor told us "After you take this course, you're never going to want to eat again, because you'll know too much about what's in your food. Forget the butter vs. margarine arguments, I have professional colleagues who put nothing but pure corn oil on their bread."
"Eggs = cholesterol = bad!" started as a campaign by the LBJ administration to get people to eat less eggs so they would buy less eggs so they wouldn't notice skyrocketing inflation.
The meat and veg diet is proven to be optimal.. I'll take that butter-basted ribeye and a salad, please. Throw in a good bottle of Merlot while you're at it.
I know from personal experience a low/no carbohydrate diet is the route to weight loss.
Having said that, I like good bread as much as any Frenchman and good beer as much as any Bavarian.
Honestly, if you can cut out refined sugars, you're already like 50% there. For noodles, you can make a very low carb version if you're willing to put in the time. There's also shirataki noodles which pretty much all fiber so they typically come out to 0 net carbs. As for fruit, you'll basically want to treat it like candy and basically stick to berries.
Honestly, if you can cut out refined sugars, you're already like 50% there.
I actually did that a long time ago. I don't look too bad for my weight as a result. People who drink beer all the time, and are my weight, look like they are almost entirely beer gut.
I think the fact that most of my weight comes from carbs and water, probably has caused the fat to be distributed reasonably around my body, rather than being shaped like a lower-case b.
As for fruit, you'll basically want to treat it like candy and basically stick to berries.
You guys are only on butter? You need to catch up. I'm already on that "homemade tallow made with beef fat trimmings bought from the local butcher".
It's amazing to me how so much of the garbage on store shelves is the result of people going "we have a bunch of plants with no real use, let's see if we can make humans consume it."
Soy used to be rightfully considered a trash crop. Now it's in damned near everything. Cooking oil, chips, crackers, bread, mayo, salad dressing, frozen dinners, even chocolate. I'm sure it's a complete coincidence that its also a phyto-estrogen.
Rapeseed oil was used during the way to lubricate machinery since it could actually stick the wet metal. Pretty much the only country that was able to grow enough for the war was Canada who saw a huge boon as the crop swept the country. Eventually, the war ended and Canada was left with a bunch of terrible tasting oil that they spent millions on finding a way to make useable for cooking. Same general idea.
Same thing happened with Cottonseed oil. Worthless byproduct turned into "usable" product.
Also, yes, you can blame the fucking Leafs for poisoning the West by feeding them engine oil.
Wow i thought even normies knew butter is healthy and seedoils are shit. "Fat: A Documentary" in 2019. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8439204/ Vinnie Tortorich also says that the gvmt had no idea how to structure the food pyramid but they had a deadline so they just threw shit at the wall. Rule of thumb: fruit oils and animal fats good. Any oil from a seed all bad.
The best oils/fats are tallow and lard from pasture raised livestock (meaning they weren't fed grains, which contain lots of chemical sprays). Secondary to that, is butter (from similarly raised livestock), extra virgin olive oil, extra virgin avacado oil (make sure its real, as most avocado oil is fake), and extra virgin coconut oil. There is still some debate about coconut oil, though.
Get organic if you can. Never use seed oils. Never use anything other than extra virgin for oils, which uses mechanical means to extract the oil. Every other type of oil uses chemicals to extract the oil, and often other chemical additives to mask the rancdlid taste.
To be fair sauteing or frying anything in butter is a terrible idea. The butter will burn and turn bitter long before anything gets cooked.
If you want to cook with butter the proper method is to either make Ghee/Clarified butter or add it in right at the very end when the pan is off the heat.
The comments are full of shit though, the butter/fat scare is a historical remnant of the 90s. Reject plant oils, embrace animal fats.
butter/fat scare is a historical remnant of the 90s
The American Heart Association got an infusion of cash from Proctor & Gamble in the 40s and has been spreading lies about butter ever since in order to push seed oils.
Me noticing the skyrocketing costs of fucking butter when I'm at the supermarket: so is this believing bad science or pure copium for the cost of it now?
A lot of these cooking videos use an ungodly amount of butter. Yeah normies are idiots but I don't really get the point of this post. I guarantee the video in question used a ton of butter.
Fun fact: Vegetable oil is promoted as "heart healthy". This is despite the fact that they contain large amounts of erucic acid which causes, wait for it... myocardial lipidosis. Yes, the "heart healthy" oils literally destroy your heart.
to be fair, using high amounts of any fat will make you fat, especially if you have carbs on top of it. I just limit my intake to like one tablespoon of either olive oil or butter a day.
Fat is a macronutrient for a reason, bro. It's needed for cell membranes and transportation of micronutrients. Also, most people are fat because of all the glucose their body shoves into their fat cells to regulate blood sugar.
Yes, but your body is able to use it gradually over a longer period of time. It's like comparing a bonfire made out of kindling and one made out of actual tree logs.
Of course, whenever someone complains about "how many calories fat has over carbs", it's always from someone who enjoys stuffing Twinkies and Ho Hos into their facehole because "it's low in fat".
When did I say I like low fat junk food? That stuff is loaded with carbs, sugar, and preservatives.
I'm not against butter, I just think its stupid to over indulge in it since it adds up quick in calories, especially if you're eating it with red meat.
It wasn't even a good "experiment" because the dude was a severe alcoholic at the same time, which unsurprisingly was not mentioned at all. Attributing liver failure solely to the fast food and not the handle of liquor he was drinking a day
It's not really fast food that's terrible. It's making terrible choices with fast food.
It's literally in the name: "Super Size Me". Every time anyone at McDonald's asked him if he wanted a size increase, he said yes. If you force yourself to constantly only eat particularly bad fast food and the maximum ammount possible, no shit you get obese.
I ate fast food almost exclusively for a whole year, and I did gain some weight, but nothing fucking dangerous like he did. I tried to eat normally, and didn't make 50% of my diet sugary drinks.
I guess even that should be obvious. I used to walk 10 to 12 miles a day and still lost weight while eating poorly. But still it should be obvious that fast food isn’t good for you in excess. I remember when it came out some people attacked McDonalds as if they forced people to make bad choices
You'd think people would put 2+2 together now that it's borderline common knowledge that Olympians are fueled by McNuggets because they don't trust strange food on competition week.
The thing that surprises me the most about fast food is how much more caloric it is by volume than homemade equivalents.
I've been tracking my meals on a phone app, and I had a breakfast burger thing at Hardee's the other day and it was almost 1,000 calories. The equivalent homemade English muffin breakfast sandwich is around 300-400 calories with egg, cheese, and meat. It wasn't a huge meal at Hardee's and I was hungry again at about the same time as usual- just with 600 more calories consumed.
All restaurants slather it in butter and salt. The secret to anything tasting good? Butter n salt. More than you're thinking. No, more than that. Still more. Ok yes, now double it.
Its because he framed it as n actual experiment to prove how they were slowly killing you, and it came out around the time of the "American Obesity" talking point getting big.
All his lies about it didn't come out immediately for most people, so it took a minute before it got buried.
Super Size me, along with all the brain-dead ''experts'' speaking as if fastfood has so magical property that will make you fat if you eat it often regardless of calories consumes, piss me off to no end.
This narrative that you have to eat virtuously what the ''experts'' tell you to lose weight and give up the ''sinful'' foods is what kept my mother obese to the point she developped insulin resistance.
She could never stick to eating the ''virtuous'' foods.
Eventually I couldn't shut up anymore and helped her eat the same shit but in reduced portions by counting calories.
The pounds fell off and the insulin resistance went away. Eating/drinking processed sugary crap.
Her friends don't believe her when she says what she eats, because her friends ''listen to the experts'' on TV who tell them sinful food make you fat, not excess calories from whatever kind of food.
Also, if I remember correctly, the sugar industry, several decades ago, paid off the government to put out "studies" saying that fat was bad, and causing health problems that sugar was actually causing.
Yea, just use seed oils that turn carcinogenic under high temperatures. That's so much better for frying stuff in a pan!
Butter has a much lower smoke rate than any seed oil I know.
Clarified butter maybe. I like peanut oil, too.
I love peanut oil to make foods more greasy. How healthy is it?
Next healthiest behind olive oil. Good for cooking, not so much for salad dressing.
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Pretty much any oil that you can get from grinding and cold pressing is pretty safe. That includes peanut oil.
smoking point isn't the toxic point
Avocado oil is the best if you insist on plant based. It has a very high burn temp compared to olive oil, which is the best for basically everything else.
Used olive oil for everything including frying for 1 year... Health of steel.
Avocado oil is nice if you need something with a more neutral flavor. Tried making mayo with EVOO once... would not recommend.
Olive oil is great for those who know how to cook. For lazy spontaneous cooks like me, avocado oil is more fool proof.
I've been using olive oil for over a decade. What makes it hard to use?
Lower burn temp.
https://www.ucdavis.edu/food/news/study-finds-82-percent-avocado-oil-rancid-or-mixed-other-oils
Just make sure you trust your avocado oil. Seems like there's not a lot of regulation.
god dammit. Normally I'm not one for regulation, but this case is an exception. At the bare minimum, the product should be what it actually says it is.
Better yet let's use hydrogenated seed oils.
I'm trans-fat-ophobic.
The number of times I had to explain that sunflower seed oil should not be heated to people praising it for being polyunsaturated fat.
Then their face when I tell them to use saturated fat for hot cooking because unsaturated fat degrade into trans-fats under high temperatures...
Kind of like how people spent decades buying margarine ''because it's healthier than butter'' but all they were doing was clogging their artery at record speed because their margarine was full of trans-fats.
Information about nutrition by media-picked ''experts'' is pretty much 2/3 harmful ''advice'' 1/6 neutral 1/6 useful.
Sure. When I was growing up butter was considered like heart attack in a stick. My parents never bought it, thinking that they were avoiding health problems. Only ever had it on Passover, when corn or soy oil margarine was prohibited. (The smell of frying butter still says Passover to me, more so even than the matzos.)
Then we found out that margarine is worse... When I took Chem 2 in college, circa 1991, the professor told us "After you take this course, you're never going to want to eat again, because you'll know too much about what's in your food. Forget the butter vs. margarine arguments, I have professional colleagues who put nothing but pure corn oil on their bread."
People have actually been persuaded that a little bit of butter will literally kill you...
This is much healthier than the pizzas these people gladly gorge on.
These people likely eat out for every meal and have no idea how much butter / seed oil goes into all the food they're already consuming.
"Eggs = cholesterol = bad!" started as a campaign by the LBJ administration to get people to eat less eggs so they would buy less eggs so they wouldn't notice skyrocketing inflation.
Go eat your gluten-free granola, you idiots.
The meat and veg diet is proven to be optimal.. I'll take that butter-basted ribeye and a salad, please. Throw in a good bottle of Merlot while you're at it.
I know from personal experience a low/no carbohydrate diet is the route to weight loss.
Having said that, I like good bread as much as any Frenchman and good beer as much as any Bavarian.
Yeah, I get the Keto thing, and I fucking can't.
You can't make me give up fruits and pasta. Death is preferrable.
What Italy does to a mf
I can't even go to the Olive Garden without embarrassing myself!
IF ANYONE TOUCHES MY CHICKEN ALFREDO I'LL FUCKING KILL YOU
Honestly, if you can cut out refined sugars, you're already like 50% there. For noodles, you can make a very low carb version if you're willing to put in the time. There's also shirataki noodles which pretty much all fiber so they typically come out to 0 net carbs. As for fruit, you'll basically want to treat it like candy and basically stick to berries.
Yeah but... how much futa cum?
Well, my protein goal is 140g.
I actually did that a long time ago. I don't look too bad for my weight as a result. People who drink beer all the time, and are my weight, look like they are almost entirely beer gut.
I think the fact that most of my weight comes from carbs and water, probably has caused the fat to be distributed reasonably around my body, rather than being shaped like a lower-case b.
Yeah, I can't do that.
Eat low carb, 100g of carbs is a surprisingly large amount and if you’re active, it’s still low carb.
I eat a bag of apples every week.
I could be part horse at this point.
Then don't. The key is to compromise between your current eating habits and your desired eating habits for specific health goals.
Yeah, I need to run more.
You guys are only on butter? You need to catch up. I'm already on that "homemade tallow made with beef fat trimmings bought from the local butcher".
It's amazing to me how so much of the garbage on store shelves is the result of people going "we have a bunch of plants with no real use, let's see if we can make humans consume it."
Soy used to be rightfully considered a trash crop. Now it's in damned near everything. Cooking oil, chips, crackers, bread, mayo, salad dressing, frozen dinners, even chocolate. I'm sure it's a complete coincidence that its also a phyto-estrogen.
Rapeseed oil was used during the way to lubricate machinery since it could actually stick the wet metal. Pretty much the only country that was able to grow enough for the war was Canada who saw a huge boon as the crop swept the country. Eventually, the war ended and Canada was left with a bunch of terrible tasting oil that they spent millions on finding a way to make useable for cooking. Same general idea.
Same thing happened with Cottonseed oil. Worthless byproduct turned into "usable" product.
Also, yes, you can blame the fucking Leafs for poisoning the West by feeding them engine oil.
It sounds great but I'm very hesitant to take diet advice from you for other reasons.
Gotta reach that protein goal somehow!
Wow i thought even normies knew butter is healthy and seedoils are shit. "Fat: A Documentary" in 2019. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8439204/ Vinnie Tortorich also says that the gvmt had no idea how to structure the food pyramid but they had a deadline so they just threw shit at the wall. Rule of thumb: fruit oils and animal fats good. Any oil from a seed all bad.
Normies are addicted to the government-sponsored $cience rhetoric that all actually good food is bad and all poisons are good for you.
How about olive oil?
EVOO is fine since it olives that have been ground and cold pressed. Also make sure you get it in a tinted glass bottle to avoid light from oxidizing it.
The best oils/fats are tallow and lard from pasture raised livestock (meaning they weren't fed grains, which contain lots of chemical sprays). Secondary to that, is butter (from similarly raised livestock), extra virgin olive oil, extra virgin avacado oil (make sure its real, as most avocado oil is fake), and extra virgin coconut oil. There is still some debate about coconut oil, though.
Get organic if you can. Never use seed oils. Never use anything other than extra virgin for oils, which uses mechanical means to extract the oil. Every other type of oil uses chemicals to extract the oil, and often other chemical additives to mask the rancdlid taste.
Extra virgin first press is the healthiest you can get. I dont like the taste though so i use later presses. Avacado and coconut are super healthy too
Thanks for the info. This is the first time I've ever heard about distinctions between the presses so I will have to look into that.
They sound vaccinated.
Remember these retards votes count just as much as yours.
To be fair sauteing or frying anything in butter is a terrible idea. The butter will burn and turn bitter long before anything gets cooked.
If you want to cook with butter the proper method is to either make Ghee/Clarified butter or add it in right at the very end when the pan is off the heat.
The comments are full of shit though, the butter/fat scare is a historical remnant of the 90s. Reject plant oils, embrace animal fats.
The American Heart Association got an infusion of cash from Proctor & Gamble in the 40s and has been spreading lies about butter ever since in order to push seed oils.
My favorite part about Ghee is how I can buy a literal bucket of it at Costco for like $20 that will last me months.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancel_Keys it's this faggot
More for us I guess.
Butter is by far almong the healthiest fat you can consume.
Me noticing the skyrocketing costs of fucking butter when I'm at the supermarket: so is this believing bad science or pure copium for the cost of it now?
If they don't like the butter then they will hate lard.
But I guess they wouldn't blink a eye olto their sunflower or vegetable oils.
Meanwhile they're "dying suddenly" in the thousands.
Oh, so NOW being fat is bad.
These retards all probably guzzle down high-fructose corn syrup, microplastics, and ssris by the fucking truckload.
If you don't cook with butter, then you ain't white.
A lot of these cooking videos use an ungodly amount of butter. Yeah normies are idiots but I don't really get the point of this post. I guarantee the video in question used a ton of butter.
I tried using leftover bacon grease once.
It was good.
Eh its Youtube comments. Its always gonna be the lowest hanging fruit of memeing
Do they not use oil to cook meat?
They use the stupid ass "heart healthy" variety that has arguably caused the spike in heart disease ever since it was introduced
Fun fact: Vegetable oil is promoted as "heart healthy". This is despite the fact that they contain large amounts of erucic acid which causes, wait for it... myocardial lipidosis. Yes, the "heart healthy" oils literally destroy your heart.
Fun fact: "Vegetable oil" is mostly, if not completely, soybean oil.
Turning the frogs gay.
This reminds me of how the first episode of the English dub of The Devil is a Part-Timer mentioned Super Size Me.
I thought it was another stupid reference dubs like to cram in.
Nope. Not only was it in the Japanese track too, it was in the original light novels! I even bought the first book just to be sure!
to be fair, using high amounts of any fat will make you fat, especially if you have carbs on top of it. I just limit my intake to like one tablespoon of either olive oil or butter a day.
Fat is a macronutrient for a reason, bro. It's needed for cell membranes and transportation of micronutrients. Also, most people are fat because of all the glucose their body shoves into their fat cells to regulate blood sugar.
it still adds up quick in calories if you dump a bucket of it on your meats
>but it's more calories!!!
Yes, but your body is able to use it gradually over a longer period of time. It's like comparing a bonfire made out of kindling and one made out of actual tree logs.
Of course, whenever someone complains about "how many calories fat has over carbs", it's always from someone who enjoys stuffing Twinkies and Ho Hos into their facehole because "it's low in fat".
When did I say I like low fat junk food? That stuff is loaded with carbs, sugar, and preservatives.
I'm not against butter, I just think its stupid to over indulge in it since it adds up quick in calories, especially if you're eating it with red meat.
Laughs in French…
You don’t have butter (including on le Bifstek) - you don’t have French food. Simple as that.
The 2008 documentary Fat Head, which is a rebuttal to the documentary 2004 Super Size Me, talks about the US government funding fake food science.
It is worth a watch, and worth showing to those who have been fooled by fake food science.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evcNPfZlrZs
I remember being so confused why Super Size Me was s given so much praise. Eating lots of fast food is unhealthy. Shocker
It wasn't even a good "experiment" because the dude was a severe alcoholic at the same time, which unsurprisingly was not mentioned at all. Attributing liver failure solely to the fast food and not the handle of liquor he was drinking a day
How else are going to make something sensational?
It's not really fast food that's terrible. It's making terrible choices with fast food.
It's literally in the name: "Super Size Me". Every time anyone at McDonald's asked him if he wanted a size increase, he said yes. If you force yourself to constantly only eat particularly bad fast food and the maximum ammount possible, no shit you get obese.
I ate fast food almost exclusively for a whole year, and I did gain some weight, but nothing fucking dangerous like he did. I tried to eat normally, and didn't make 50% of my diet sugary drinks.
I guess even that should be obvious. I used to walk 10 to 12 miles a day and still lost weight while eating poorly. But still it should be obvious that fast food isn’t good for you in excess. I remember when it came out some people attacked McDonalds as if they forced people to make bad choices
You'd think people would put 2+2 together now that it's borderline common knowledge that Olympians are fueled by McNuggets because they don't trust strange food on competition week.
Thanks for the hearty laugh here on clown world.
This is a strange way to write 5
Pretty much everything about Super Size Me was so poorly done that it felt like someone trying to get famous more than anything.
The thing that surprises me the most about fast food is how much more caloric it is by volume than homemade equivalents.
I've been tracking my meals on a phone app, and I had a breakfast burger thing at Hardee's the other day and it was almost 1,000 calories. The equivalent homemade English muffin breakfast sandwich is around 300-400 calories with egg, cheese, and meat. It wasn't a huge meal at Hardee's and I was hungry again at about the same time as usual- just with 600 more calories consumed.
You're right, and also Hardee's is fucking delicious. There's gotta be some bad stuff in there.
All restaurants slather it in butter and salt. The secret to anything tasting good? Butter n salt. More than you're thinking. No, more than that. Still more. Ok yes, now double it.
That's the healthy menu option.
Its because he framed it as n actual experiment to prove how they were slowly killing you, and it came out around the time of the "American Obesity" talking point getting big.
All his lies about it didn't come out immediately for most people, so it took a minute before it got buried.
Super Size me, along with all the brain-dead ''experts'' speaking as if fastfood has so magical property that will make you fat if you eat it often regardless of calories consumes, piss me off to no end.
This narrative that you have to eat virtuously what the ''experts'' tell you to lose weight and give up the ''sinful'' foods is what kept my mother obese to the point she developped insulin resistance.
She could never stick to eating the ''virtuous'' foods.
Eventually I couldn't shut up anymore and helped her eat the same shit but in reduced portions by counting calories.
The pounds fell off and the insulin resistance went away. Eating/drinking processed sugary crap.
Her friends don't believe her when she says what she eats, because her friends ''listen to the experts'' on TV who tell them sinful food make you fat, not excess calories from whatever kind of food.
Also, if I remember correctly, the sugar industry, several decades ago, paid off the government to put out "studies" saying that fat was bad, and causing health problems that sugar was actually causing.