I actually agree that it is a personal choice. If you don't own your own body, then who does?
Like everything else with the left, this is all performative. If they actually believed that suicide was a human right, they wouldn't use "gun deaths" (which are mostly suicides) as justification for pushing for gun control.
I tried that angle with a liberal, once. They said it would save lives to not make it so easy for people to commit suicide. I left it at that, rightly concluding the person (a friend of mine, at the time) was a total moron.
God does. That comes with an obligation to maintain it as best as we can. And we need to regularly thank Him that He has generously allowed use the use of our bodies for the duration of our stay in the earthly realm.
But besides that you have your duty to your family, your friends, your community, and civilization as a whole.
All of those duties need to be taken into consideration. Sometimes the only thing we have left to offer is to be an example for how to maintain our dignity under terrible circumstances.
That said if I'm ever in a situation where I can't wipe my own ass, it doesn't look like things are getting better, I'm going to get my affairs in as good of an order as I can and find a way to check out as quietly as is possible.
While I agree. My sins are between me and God. While I may not own my body, no other man has a claim either.
The argument you're making is the same as one for government control of diet, because gluttony, or prohibition because intoxication. Both of which are imo worse sins than suicide.
If you agree that God has rightful claim to your life, everything you said afterwards is retarded cognitive dissonance. God also doesn't give a shit about your opinions on what sin is worse than another.
I agree, my post was meant to convey that this notion that one will be judged differently for ~reasons~ and that a man's opinions on the hierarchy of sins matter to God are both ludicrous and, funny enough, the same rationale onlyfans whores with ~Only God Can Judge Me~ tattoos on their ass say.
The free will aspect is crucially important and works incredibly well because it allows believers to excuse God and explain away Man's imperfection and ability to be corrupted, even though He supposedly made us. It makes Him infallible in the face of what He's created. (The Garden of Eden story is utterly hokey compared to the rest of the stories in the Bible and falls apart under scrutiny trying to form the "argument from God" the rest of the Old Testament relies on)
Its also one of the oldest debates in human history. Boethius wrote Consolation of Philosophy 1500 years ago on the very topic of free will vs predestination under God.
If it didn't, then you aren't capable of sin to begin with. Because your crime would be preordained by God's will, and thereby you've disproven your entire faith.
The argument you're making is the same as one for government control of diet, because gluttony, or prohibition because intoxication. Both of which are imo worse sins than suicide.
Suicide is murder, which the government should prevent.
While I agree morally, I think someone intelligent enough does not need governments permission to do so. Coma/physical disability aside.
I am concerned with slippery slope. For a more severe case of autism and a younger person, there is an argument for them not being intelligent enough to make this decision (but would be convinced from the covid-ventilator-death-squad aka tranny-grifters aka medical experts).
Women kill themselves as a cry for help. The fact they don't think it through it part of the reason they shouldn't have this choice. It's like letting your kids jump off a cliff or play in traffic. It's a failure of men, not a woman's "right".
America is more: Here is a handful of expensive pills which have side effects worse than your current depression that you have to remain on for the rest of your life.
This is the most important point: how does anyone know if this person's "personal medical advisors" gave them good advice if no one can know what was said?
Doctors get paid by the procedure, so what's the payout for MAiD? If it's enough to justify not dealing with a whiney patient, I guarantee there will by doctors who will go that route.
And yet preventing suicides is often used as a reason to limit people's ability to own firearms.
The state will always find a way to make something more expensive, take 10 times as long and involve a number of bureaucrats, when all the free market needs is a gun and one cartridge.
Anyone defending MAID is at best a functional retard who can't understand the slippery slope that's already led us to this point. At worst, they're a satanic depopulationist commie actively desiring the slaughter of whites.
Newsflash dipshits, you never needed the state to murder yourself in the first place. This just allows the cowardly, the mentally deficient, and the easily indoctrinated a guilt-free, agency-free way to be slaughtered instead of inconvenienced by existence.
My biggest concerns is that the medical establishment is going to start pushing mentally weak people to commit suicide because WEF orgs will pay them to do so, just like how they pushed Covid tests and the Vax.
Train your kids for psychological wayfare, homeschooling isn't enough anymore.
That's what they're already doing and why I'm vehemently against it. It's also why anyone tracking the state of the culture and who controls it should know better by now. This will be abused as much as possible to ensure the goals of the people who hate us.
If you look at the beaucracy and horrors that follow something as simple as a Death Penalty execution, you should know the government can never be trusted with that tool.
Alabama did the first nitrogen execution this year, in pursuit of a more "humane" method because Lethal Injections fail more than they work and cause massive torture, and it ended with the guy literally convulsing in misery and gasping for air in the most horrific method possible.
State's response? "Well its no longer untested so its now free to be used by anyone who wants!"
If you go to a doctor in Canada about depression, they'll ask if you've heard of MAID. If you get angry, they'll say they were just testing the waters to get a better idea of your intentions.
I actually agree that it is a personal choice. If you don't own your own body, then who does?
Like everything else with the left, this is all performative. If they actually believed that suicide was a human right, they wouldn't use "gun deaths" (which are mostly suicides) as justification for pushing for gun control.
I tried that angle with a liberal, once. They said it would save lives to not make it so easy for people to commit suicide. I left it at that, rightly concluding the person (a friend of mine, at the time) was a total moron.
God does. That comes with an obligation to maintain it as best as we can. And we need to regularly thank Him that He has generously allowed use the use of our bodies for the duration of our stay in the earthly realm.
But besides that you have your duty to your family, your friends, your community, and civilization as a whole.
All of those duties need to be taken into consideration. Sometimes the only thing we have left to offer is to be an example for how to maintain our dignity under terrible circumstances.
That said if I'm ever in a situation where I can't wipe my own ass, it doesn't look like things are getting better, I'm going to get my affairs in as good of an order as I can and find a way to check out as quietly as is possible.
While I agree. My sins are between me and God. While I may not own my body, no other man has a claim either.
The argument you're making is the same as one for government control of diet, because gluttony, or prohibition because intoxication. Both of which are imo worse sins than suicide.
If you agree that God has rightful claim to your life, everything you said afterwards is retarded cognitive dissonance. God also doesn't give a shit about your opinions on what sin is worse than another.
God also gave man free will to sin as he pleases. His claim came with that understanding, and the consequences therein.
That's kind of an important part of the entire dogma.
I agree, my post was meant to convey that this notion that one will be judged differently for ~reasons~ and that a man's opinions on the hierarchy of sins matter to God are both ludicrous and, funny enough, the same rationale onlyfans whores with ~Only God Can Judge Me~ tattoos on their ass say.
The free will aspect is crucially important and works incredibly well because it allows believers to excuse God and explain away Man's imperfection and ability to be corrupted, even though He supposedly made us. It makes Him infallible in the face of what He's created. (The Garden of Eden story is utterly hokey compared to the rest of the stories in the Bible and falls apart under scrutiny trying to form the "argument from God" the rest of the Old Testament relies on)
Its also one of the oldest debates in human history. Boethius wrote Consolation of Philosophy 1500 years ago on the very topic of free will vs predestination under God.
Free will doesn't exist.
If it didn't, then you aren't capable of sin to begin with. Because your crime would be preordained by God's will, and thereby you've disproven your entire faith.
It is preordained. God's will is never violated
Maybe God doesn't but the laws of man should retard.
Suicide is murder, which the government should prevent.
The role of government has never been to prevent sin. And never should be, and never can be.
Then why is the state and the taxpayer being made to subsidize and execute the suicide?
I'm going to assume you misread my comment and let you try again.
The alternative is that you aren't capable of a conversation, so really my response doesn't matter.
How pretentious.
Sure, but then separation of Church and State surely applies and the government still shouldn't be involved.
If I'm still hearty enough to make an impact that way then I'm creative enough to find another way.
While I agree morally, I think someone intelligent enough does not need governments permission to do so. Coma/physical disability aside.
I am concerned with slippery slope. For a more severe case of autism and a younger person, there is an argument for them not being intelligent enough to make this decision (but would be convinced from the covid-ventilator-death-squad aka tranny-grifters aka medical experts).
The difference is men vs. women.
A man kills himself as a choice.
Women kill themselves as a cry for help. The fact they don't think it through it part of the reason they shouldn't have this choice. It's like letting your kids jump off a cliff or play in traffic. It's a failure of men, not a woman's "right".
"I have problems socialising, I cannot focus, and I feel like my entire life is going downhill as a result"
Developing World: "Tough luck, buttercup. Now back to work."
Europe: "I'm so sorry to hear that. We'll get you all the help you need. Are you free Tuesday afternoon in 3 years?"
America: "Don't worry, we'll get you fixed up right away. Just hand over your life savings."
Canada: "Have you considered dying?"
Do you think Canada is asking non-white people to kill themselves?
When Canada literally goes "4chan: Kys". Might as well call them 4chanada now.
That's honestly an insult to 4chan.
4chan was way more based.
4chan sided with LW1.
/b is almost all crappy porn now; including "not child porn because it's hand drawn"
America is more: Here is a handful of expensive pills which have side effects worse than your current depression that you have to remain on for the rest of your life.
America: "You're actually a woman, let's cut your dick off for $40,000"
Large parts of Europe are going "have you considered dying" as well.
So dumbass is saying "I assume it checks out"
No one is more punchable than a Canadian lib I swear
This is the most important point: how does anyone know if this person's "personal medical advisors" gave them good advice if no one can know what was said?
Doctors get paid by the procedure, so what's the payout for MAiD? If it's enough to justify not dealing with a whiney patient, I guarantee there will by doctors who will go that route.
And yet preventing suicides is often used as a reason to limit people's ability to own firearms. The state will always find a way to make something more expensive, take 10 times as long and involve a number of bureaucrats, when all the free market needs is a gun and one cartridge.
Hah, that's not bad. Use suicide rights to push for easier access to firearms.
Is there a way to mass block every NPC on Twitter with the Ukraine flag in their bio?
Anyone defending MAID is at best a functional retard who can't understand the slippery slope that's already led us to this point. At worst, they're a satanic depopulationist commie actively desiring the slaughter of whites.
Newsflash dipshits, you never needed the state to murder yourself in the first place. This just allows the cowardly, the mentally deficient, and the easily indoctrinated a guilt-free, agency-free way to be slaughtered instead of inconvenienced by existence.
My biggest concerns is that the medical establishment is going to start pushing mentally weak people to commit suicide because WEF orgs will pay them to do so, just like how they pushed Covid tests and the Vax.
Train your kids for psychological wayfare, homeschooling isn't enough anymore.
That's what they're already doing and why I'm vehemently against it. It's also why anyone tracking the state of the culture and who controls it should know better by now. This will be abused as much as possible to ensure the goals of the people who hate us.
Yes, but, our death camps are different.
The only problem I have with it is how weird and uppity the government gets when you give them a playtoy like MAID; Canada being the prime example.
I’m still waiting for the first assassination by MAID, where the government gaslights someone (probably a political opponent) into assisted suicide.
They've actively tried with veterans through the Canuck VA.
If you look at the beaucracy and horrors that follow something as simple as a Death Penalty execution, you should know the government can never be trusted with that tool.
Alabama did the first nitrogen execution this year, in pursuit of a more "humane" method because Lethal Injections fail more than they work and cause massive torture, and it ended with the guy literally convulsing in misery and gasping for air in the most horrific method possible.
State's response? "Well its no longer untested so its now free to be used by anyone who wants!"
...Whats MAID?
Medical assistance in dying, apparently.
Aha, thanks!
If you go to a doctor in Canada about depression, they'll ask if you've heard of MAID. If you get angry, they'll say they were just testing the waters to get a better idea of your intentions.
That's all levels of fucked up, I've heard stories about it. Like the disabled athlete who was offered it because she was waiting for a stair lift..
First time I've heard of it abbreviated though, I hate how they pick these terms which sounds so innocent.
forced maid for pronouns
What is MAID?
I'm so goddamn tired of acronyms obfuscating information.
Ghouls, the lot of 'em.
It's so much easier to argue it's a way to kill off people (mostly White people) so the regime doesn't have to support them.
MAID in Manhattan remake is off to a good start.
Bingo!
Buttfucks for everyone! Preferably 6 ft under.