Let's be real, porn isn't helping the situation, but even if you abolish all pornography tomorrow you still have to address the root problem which is that getting involved with a woman is legally a catastrophic proposition.
Right, so why are you not using your imagination then? I mean, it's so much easier to just close your eyes and think of literally anything you please, yet you'll still consume porn for some reason, weird isn't it?
Porn is the worst thing you can do to yourself as a white man, and by consuming it you're playing right into their trap, someone here recently posted a very useful piece on it.
Problem with right wingers attacking porn is that they are for one, not racially conscious as white people, which itself shows all the time considering CONservatives eat up the ''based minority'' grift every fucking time, and for two, attack porn for the wrong reasons, usually trying to guilt trip you with bullshit such as how the women are victims in porn, they're forced into it, trafficking victims, they do it for the money etc. instead of telling you that it's bad for you, the man consuming that filth.
I'm aware of the ramifications of certain types of porn on ones psyche. I try to avoid a lot of western porn for that. The women are too masculine not to mention the diversity and inclusion trap. Asian porn tends to be produced with much less of western degeneracy. The mainstream porn companies might as well be an arm of the CIA from their psychological manipulation department. I get that. But if that's the argument against porn then we also need to ban most advertisements, social media, public education, etc...
But if that's the argument against porn then we also need to ban most advertisements, social media, public education, etc...
Well... yes? All 3 of those are social engineering tools which have been misused for evil for decades now. I've seen numerous advertisements in Germany featuring all kinds of non Germans, social media is the testing grounds for most of the wrong and degenerate things in today's society, how and where would 11 year old Sasha in some remote village in the middle of nowhere in northern Russia see and learn about drags and trannies without social media and get groomed from then on that those things are 100% normal? Public education sucks, your kids are taught revisioned history, sexual degeneracy among other useless and/or false/harmful garbage, and are groomed by pedos and feminists. Now at this point you obviously can't ban those three things, but they definitely need to be overhauled and kept in check for misuse.
I'm all for this but I'm against banning only porn as if that's the fix. If we're going to only ban one thing, then banning public education and reducing taxes will have a much better impact than just banning porn. If tradcucks can't get onboard with banning public education but can be onboard with banning porn then they are a problem. What's going to happen is simply the banning of porn without the banning of all the rest which unfairly targets single men while having minimal impact on the health of society.
Porn does not help the single man, in fact it does the opposite, it's merely one of the reasons for him being a single man to begin with. If you are a single man and you are trying to cope with the fact that you live in a broken society by abusing porn or frankly any other substance, you are destined to be doomed, believe me.
The reason the two aren't comparable is because porn has nothing redeemable about it, it's not a neutral/good thing that's misused for evil, it's purely evil, unlike public education, which can be good but is infested with all sorts of servants of heretics who intentionally misuse it to push evil agendas and corrupt.
Let's be real, porn isn't helping the situation, but even if you abolish all pornography tomorrow you still have to address the root problem which is that getting involved with a woman is legally a catastrophic proposition.
It's way more complicated that that. The effect of porn on relationships isn't one way. While use of porn can help men to obtain sexual satisfaction without being in a relationship, it also feeds the male sex drive which makes more men likely to want to get in a relationship.
This is the reason why feminists have such a inconsistent and unpredictable attitude towards porn. On the one hand it reduces the reliance of men on women, reducing their power, but on the other hand it can increase female sexual power. So their are all sorts of different feminist factions in relation to porn, which generally relates to what benefits they are getting out of the effect of porn on men.
The gynocentric nature of Western society is partly caused by the effect of constant exposure of males to a very softcore form of porn - the highly revealing clothing worn by many females, and sexualised female bodies displayed all over the media. This feeds the male sex drive, making men and boys more dependent on women and more gynocentric due to the halo effect from sexual attraction.
I'm surprised how few men seem to understand this. Most men should be able to see it in themselves if they were properly able to use stoic or mindfulness techniques to assess their feelings about women.
Any right thinking man, if he truly wanted to be free of women and relationships, would do well to stay away from both women and porn for his own good.
It's the only way to continue your species and your family. When in history have men being given everything for free? You've always had to fight. You're just too soft now and prefer to whine about the courts instead of overcoming the current hardships.
If I were to rape the women I wanted, I'd end in prison and she'd abort the child I impregnated her with. That's not going to help my line. There are no solutions for men in modernity except to bring down the whole system. Death without continuing your line is better than being a slave to women.
If you're white you have a very high chance of attracting a woman barring being disfigured or super short. I'm average in most ways and I have a happy family.
Don't rape a woman lol. Just find a good one that has a dad and put in effort.
This is simply not true UNLESS you, as a man, are willing to accept unattractive women. The attractive white women are in too short a supply to just end up with any old white man. You need to be extremely good looking and have significant income to attract quality women in the western hemisphere. There is only one other caveat, if you, as a man, are willing to take in a woman with significant baggage, then you might find a physically attractive woman but with the level of baggage she has, it's not worth it (hence why she's now forced to settle for men like you). Most women's personalities in modernity are such that they aren't worth being around.
I'll only date wholly submissive, obedient women that are skinny, hot and sexual otherwise they are 100% worthless to me.
Guys are just with really unattractive women but are so desperate to be with a woman they don't care. Then as a way to justify their situation they lash out against single men that are unwilling to accept a woman as ugly as the guy accepted.
Guys are with a woman whose personality is such that no other guy would want to be with the woman. She runs the relationship, they have a dead bedroom, she treats him like a workhorse and she rarely ever acts feminine.
Lots of guys think they have a catch with either scenario but in reality, men are better off being single than with either of these kinds of women.
It's more about being lucky, but it has nothing to do with brainwashing. If you haven't met your eventual spouse by.... at the LATEST 22 it's over. We've disrupted the natural order enough by now to believe that isn't true but it is.
I'd really put the age lower, but i'm trying to be nice. I've made this comment here before, Quoting in part:
"I will never have a childhood best friend I've known for 20 years. Simply because I missed that opportunity, I'm not a child anymore and don't have one, so pursuing it now is futile.
A long term relationship is the same. You have to find a woman who will be with you as an investment, thus who is mature early. You both offer your best years.
If you don't find that early enough you've missed the boat. Exceptions may happen, I couldn't say. But your odds sink to the trench.
Healthy relationships are rare, partially because most of the population are selfish thoughtless morons, incapable of pair bonding without social pressure.
If you are in the category that requires that pressure to find somebody it will work with, tough luck mate. Get a dog"
It's the same crap I hear from cat women. They want what's out of their league. If you didn't have warped sexual images poisoning your mind you probably wouldn't have such high standards. Most women aren't porn star level attractive. It warps your reality and what real women look like.
You're just trying to lower men's standards to adapt to how ugly women are. 70% of women are overweight in NA. When I go to Thailand, the women are just fine there. The problem isn't men's warped standards, it's that western white women are fucking ugly. Decades of resentment toward the patriarchy, tattoos to rebel against their fathers, fat acceptance. Fast food. 0 standards being enforced on women. The women in western countries are ugly as fuck. Men aren't here to run a charity service to save the whales nor do men have too high of standards. Women are just that fucking fat and ugly. They're getting Botox in their twenties because they can't take care of their skin while they play on tons of fakeup and eat more fast food. Stuff their face with carbs. Say they're dieting as they eat a salad then go home and bake a bunch of cupcakes.
There are good looking women in the west but these women don't have the time of day for average men but ironically in other countries, these women that are hot in western countries are just an average girl in other countries. Eastern Europe has always been a good example of this. A 6/10 in EE (up until 10 years ago when the west started corrupting the youth in EE) was easily an 8/10 in western countries.
The women in the west are fucking ugly.
Men have reasonable standards. Women do not have reasonable standards. Hot to a woman is 6'4", $300k/yr broad shoulders bad boy touch. That's so few men, it's entirely unrealistic and most men can't be that if they tried. Men's standards are literally put 2 seconds of effort into your look in the morning, stop trying to rebel against doing what men like because you hate men, don't be fat, stop acting like a frumpy crass pig. Every single woman can be what a man wants if she tries. They don't try here. Men can't be what women want even if they tried. There is no comparison between women's wants and men's wants. Women are unreasonable and men are reasonable.
That is a strange leap of logic to me. I agree that porn can warp someone's reality - like expecting women to put out without any foreplay or seduction - but porn stars tend to be ugly, covered in tats, fake boobs, and fat or obvious druggies. The other guy correctly pointed out that outside of America they have higher standards of femininity, but even there you aren't getting the cream of the crop women. It's why whenever an attractive one does enter the biz she becomes super famous until inevitably her age and the industry destroy her.
Also this might be liberal bias pushing a narrative on me (guys who brag about liking porn tend to be leftist "male feminists") but I think the image of reality that porn normalizes is cuckoldry, interracial sex, incest, and living in a polycule with a fatty and 5 other guys. Not the unattainable 10 star wife.
Is your spellcheck always complaining to you too? Because I have no idea how to type that symbol on the keyboard, but the "English (United States)" dictionary assures me that I'm wrong and it is necessary.
I totally forgot that from French class. I remember that is separates syllables, but IDK the theory of it.
The é is easy to understand if you understand the sound it makes. Anywhere that an e would make the e sound but they want it to make the é sound, they put é.
You can type it via an alt code, though I don't know the code offhand, fairly easy to pull up a table of them for various accent marks via search though.
You're still mad about me wanting to ban porn? Let's do a little thinking here lethn, see me, not on porn anymore, happy relationship and just had my first child. You, on porn, whining about women, and not having a family.
I wish all my bros the best. Don't get caught in a porn trap. It is not your friend. It is a crutch and an addiction.
You're 33, never had a gf, and love porn? you're encouraging young men to follow in your footsteps? If this is who you want to emulate, guys, go ahead. If you think following someone who's given up and wants to feel sorry for themselves and keep beating their meat to porn whores you'll end up just like this.
I don't blame you for being upset with modern women, but I do blame you for staying weak and encouraging other men to stay weak with you. Crab in a bucket mentality. You hide behind figures to justify not putting yourself out there. Yes women can be toxic and dangerous. But the answer to some foods being poison isn't to not eat at all.
Mgtow/incels usually have high standards from sitting around jerking to porn stars who are usually way hotter than most human women. So when you meet a woman who's on your level you don't find her attractive. You're in the worldwide economic 1-2% and probably taller than most men worldwide and instead you focus on the cohort of hotties you can't get and use that to say you have no options.
what if I told you it was both. that porn addiction demotivates young men from pursuing relationships, while at the same time the law makes any kind of relationship a massive liability.
Porn is a symptom of the problem. That's not to say that it doesn't feed back into the problem, but if female hypergamy were kept in check and the divorce laws were fixed then porn would be a nonissue.
What is the women problem? Women bad? Okay imp. You can whine and complain but the truth is a small minority of men in history ever lived long enough to succeed in reproducing and continuing their family. This is no different.
If you want to hide in a hole wracking off to porn and crying about how hard it is to find a woman you're a loser. And when you die your entire family line ends with you. Imagine your male ancestors who fought wars and famine to have a family and you complain cause Stacy won't swipe on your tinder profile.
Don't fall off your pedestal lol. I'm just tired of hearing coomers encourage men to stay losers/coomers because a lot of young modern women are toxic.
That falls under fixing divorce laws. You restore the wife's duty to put out and enforce it by allowing the husband to leave without having his life destroyed if she doesn't. I don't think that's how fault based divorce worked back when it was a thing, but the only way to fix the system is to start applying contract law to what's essentially a contract. Someone here suggested the abolishing family courts and having civil law courts handle family law, and it's such a good idea that I've been running with it ever since.
Porn addictions dont' always come from a lack of sex from the wife, though. Or, sometimes there's a good reason for a drought, and men may get into it at that point while experiencing trouble later.
I didn't deny that porn feeds back into the problem, I just don't think it causes the problem in the first place. Most men are going to want to do things with a real woman, and that being unfeasible makes falling down the porn rabbit hole more likely.
Agreed. Porn is the sedative that sooths the sexual itch that drives men to achieve. Your brain is tricked into thinking you're mating with women and leaves you satisfied. But not really, just a partial release and more upset because you aren't any closer to real sexual experience.
You may discover, once you have a girlfriend that you would still watch porn and in time it will cause issues for you.
I'm not saying you should not watch it or that you specifically can't handle it but porn is not without consequence, you can't push that dopamine button every day, multiple times a day and expect not to affect you.
I gave up porn a while ago and it has been for the best.
I'm not advocating for any ban on porn, just that people need to be aware is not without cost.
I'm a property owner now and I'm working hard on my business, I'm not going to let some bipolar slut come along and ruin all of that just to satisfy myself.
And there it is. based on the sentence, I would guess that your romantic needs feel satisfied enough that you don't feel the need to pursue women. Porn artificially induces this. With that part of your instincts satisfied, you are free to pursue other things.
Let me clarify: this is not a bad thing, but it is a thing.
Exactly. Porn scratches that itch and pushes men back into a hole of lifelessness and apathy. It's no surprise that coomers are among the most nihilistic depressed people because they watch porn all day and it warps their perception of women entirely and drains them of any motivation to actually have a family.
but they're likely the sort to have personal addiction problems anyway.
Can we dispense with this? Addiction of every sort basically hijacks the same neuro-chemical pathways so it's not "an addictive personality" or whatever bullshit. It's that you got addicted and people relapsing into the same addiction as before but just using a different substance to trigger the same pathways as always.
Now mix in the fact that smart phones, the internet and social media have all basically primed every single member of society to be an addict of some sort and you start to get an idea of just how deep this problem goes.
The viewing of porn is not caused by lack of relationships, nor is it caused by a lack of motivation to pursue a relationship.
People view porn because they are horny and it's easy, simple as.
By releasing sexual tension frequently, people are satisfying a large portion of what drives the pursuit of the opposite sex. it does not eliminate dating, far from it, but it does reduce desperation for a mate.
As stated in another thread, this is not a bad thing. strong relationships have remained, and I would argue have not diminished. people who would not be happy in a relationship no longer seek them.
I never made this argument, and I never implied this at all.
what part of
As stated in another thread, this is not a bad thing. strong relationships have remained, and I would argue have not diminished. people who would not be happy in a relationship no longer seek them.
Do you not understand? read the entire comment before replying.
Men begin using porn before having relationships. When was the first time you looked at porn? Average starting age of consumption in the USA is 10 years old. Boys get hooked on porn way before having relationships with women.
Yeah, okay. Now show that it is a causal link to the decline of relationships and the increase of failed relationships.
Personally I think you will have a better time showing that Tinder has profoundly changed the behavior of women. I guess that makes it harder to tell men that the deserve to be alone?
So there once was this guy with a bulldozer. I've even thought he went a bit too far. I can understand though, because if this happened to me I might just be buying my own bulldozer.
Child Support is the most corrupt arm of the government in almost any nation and its shocking how little people understand just how bad it really is.
Like, this isn't even the worst I've seen. At least he wasn't jailed for "not paying" the 130k he owes in backpay, even if he didn't owe it until today. As I've seen similar happen to other men.
Because they will jail you for not being able to pay a fee they imposed based on nothing, and then that fee will keep piling up while you are in fucking jail. So that when you get out you have a massive debt and a fresh new criminal record to help you get a job to pay it off!
Unreasonable child support is the remainder of an equation used to balance radical feminism and unloading thots and their thug spawn off the govt tit.
The more feminist a country is, the harsher the laws are against men. In France you can't even get a paternity test without the woman's permission. They don't care if the man they've trapped into slavery is the actual father or not.
The precedent is chilling and is, in my opinion, where this case becomes an abomination, but the particulars of this case end up "okay" for the defendant. Hear me out.
He'll pay $4,362 per month until the middle child is 18 (currently 15), and a smaller sum until the youngest is 18 (12 years old at the moment). He'll also have to pay ~$130,000 in child support retroactively for the 7 years the couple was together in what the judge determined was a "marriage-like relationship."
However... a marriage-like relationship means the man is entitled to half of the $1.5 million property the woman purchased and intended to keep for herself, so that's cool.
I don't know about you, but $4,000 a month drain from my paycheck is not "okay", and half of a property that I will need yet another lawyer to get any value out of does not make up for it.
You're gullible if you think any of that money will go directly to kids needs or if he even has a fart of a chance for even a single brick from that house.
Ongoing child support is bad enough (and it's REALLY bad), but to make him pay retroactive support from day one of the relationship?? What the fuck....
The mansion does lessen the sting somewhat, but I can guarantee you the ho and her spawn wouldn't get a dime from me. I'd go to prison first, but before that at least try to hide my money so it looks like I have no income. Failing that, we'd progress to various options that fall under rule 2. The courts only do this because they know they can get away with it.
He gives us just enough slack on the leash to keep us complacent but muzzles everyone who starts to formulate anything resembling an effective strategy.
It's kind of ingenious really. Fuck things up bad enough that moderate solutions that most people would be amenable to are completely and totally ineffective. With those solutions off the table and the issue unresolved, people will inevitably start identifying more drastic solutions that the severity of the situation has made necessary. These solutions are less palatable and can therefor be squashed as "extremist" or whatever the moral cudgel of the day is. This effectively locks the trajectory of the disaster in with no escape hatch or off ramp. The disaster will proceed, your civilization will become a ruinous wasteland and you will not be allowed to talk about how you might prevent that from happening because to do so violates the decorum of polite society.
If you can't discuss solutions you can't enact them.
Then you get lone actors like Brenton Tarrant, because some people refuse to stand idly by and watch the disaster unfold without lifting a finger, and that gets used as an excuse to clamp down further on any discussion of potential solutions. It's a beautifully orchestrated feedback loop.
He unironically believes that I'm trying to get people here killed or arrested because I suggested getting involved in local politics, literally what you're supposed to have an inalienable right to do.
I didn't, but I'm completely unsurprised. I don't know why we allow a literal faggot to mod this board. No one likes him and he'd be much more comfortable playing Spez's game.
He banned me for calling the jews receiving 80 years of holocaust reparations parasites. Idk I thought we can call welfare parasites parasites but not Jewish ones.
Let's be real, porn isn't helping the situation, but even if you abolish all pornography tomorrow you still have to address the root problem which is that getting involved with a woman is legally a catastrophic proposition.
If porn was banned tomorrow, I would use my imagination like I did when I was 12 years old.
Porn literally has 0 impact.
porn is an easy way to blame men for women and SIMPs bad behavior
Right, so why are you not using your imagination then? I mean, it's so much easier to just close your eyes and think of literally anything you please, yet you'll still consume porn for some reason, weird isn't it?
Porn is the worst thing you can do to yourself as a white man, and by consuming it you're playing right into their trap, someone here recently posted a very useful piece on it.
Problem with right wingers attacking porn is that they are for one, not racially conscious as white people, which itself shows all the time considering CONservatives eat up the ''based minority'' grift every fucking time, and for two, attack porn for the wrong reasons, usually trying to guilt trip you with bullshit such as how the women are victims in porn, they're forced into it, trafficking victims, they do it for the money etc. instead of telling you that it's bad for you, the man consuming that filth.
I'm aware of the ramifications of certain types of porn on ones psyche. I try to avoid a lot of western porn for that. The women are too masculine not to mention the diversity and inclusion trap. Asian porn tends to be produced with much less of western degeneracy. The mainstream porn companies might as well be an arm of the CIA from their psychological manipulation department. I get that. But if that's the argument against porn then we also need to ban most advertisements, social media, public education, etc...
Well... yes? All 3 of those are social engineering tools which have been misused for evil for decades now. I've seen numerous advertisements in Germany featuring all kinds of non Germans, social media is the testing grounds for most of the wrong and degenerate things in today's society, how and where would 11 year old Sasha in some remote village in the middle of nowhere in northern Russia see and learn about drags and trannies without social media and get groomed from then on that those things are 100% normal? Public education sucks, your kids are taught revisioned history, sexual degeneracy among other useless and/or false/harmful garbage, and are groomed by pedos and feminists. Now at this point you obviously can't ban those three things, but they definitely need to be overhauled and kept in check for misuse.
I'm all for this but I'm against banning only porn as if that's the fix. If we're going to only ban one thing, then banning public education and reducing taxes will have a much better impact than just banning porn. If tradcucks can't get onboard with banning public education but can be onboard with banning porn then they are a problem. What's going to happen is simply the banning of porn without the banning of all the rest which unfairly targets single men while having minimal impact on the health of society.
Porn does not help the single man, in fact it does the opposite, it's merely one of the reasons for him being a single man to begin with. If you are a single man and you are trying to cope with the fact that you live in a broken society by abusing porn or frankly any other substance, you are destined to be doomed, believe me.
The reason the two aren't comparable is because porn has nothing redeemable about it, it's not a neutral/good thing that's misused for evil, it's purely evil, unlike public education, which can be good but is infested with all sorts of servants of heretics who intentionally misuse it to push evil agendas and corrupt.
Imagining isn't as fulfilling as experiencing it, or actually hearing it
It's way more complicated that that. The effect of porn on relationships isn't one way. While use of porn can help men to obtain sexual satisfaction without being in a relationship, it also feeds the male sex drive which makes more men likely to want to get in a relationship.
This is the reason why feminists have such a inconsistent and unpredictable attitude towards porn. On the one hand it reduces the reliance of men on women, reducing their power, but on the other hand it can increase female sexual power. So their are all sorts of different feminist factions in relation to porn, which generally relates to what benefits they are getting out of the effect of porn on men.
The gynocentric nature of Western society is partly caused by the effect of constant exposure of males to a very softcore form of porn - the highly revealing clothing worn by many females, and sexualised female bodies displayed all over the media. This feeds the male sex drive, making men and boys more dependent on women and more gynocentric due to the halo effect from sexual attraction.
I'm surprised how few men seem to understand this. Most men should be able to see it in themselves if they were properly able to use stoic or mindfulness techniques to assess their feelings about women.
Any right thinking man, if he truly wanted to be free of women and relationships, would do well to stay away from both women and porn for his own good.
financially, mentally, and legally.
if you get involved with a progressive, western woman. there are other women in the world.
All women have access to the same tools to ruin you and have the same financial and social incentive to do so.
It's the only way to continue your species and your family. When in history have men being given everything for free? You've always had to fight. You're just too soft now and prefer to whine about the courts instead of overcoming the current hardships.
If I were to rape the women I wanted, I'd end in prison and she'd abort the child I impregnated her with. That's not going to help my line. There are no solutions for men in modernity except to bring down the whole system. Death without continuing your line is better than being a slave to women.
If you're white you have a very high chance of attracting a woman barring being disfigured or super short. I'm average in most ways and I have a happy family.
Don't rape a woman lol. Just find a good one that has a dad and put in effort.
This is simply not true UNLESS you, as a man, are willing to accept unattractive women. The attractive white women are in too short a supply to just end up with any old white man. You need to be extremely good looking and have significant income to attract quality women in the western hemisphere. There is only one other caveat, if you, as a man, are willing to take in a woman with significant baggage, then you might find a physically attractive woman but with the level of baggage she has, it's not worth it (hence why she's now forced to settle for men like you). Most women's personalities in modernity are such that they aren't worth being around.
I'll only date wholly submissive, obedient women that are skinny, hot and sexual otherwise they are 100% worthless to me.
Usually, it's one of two scenarios:
Guys are just with really unattractive women but are so desperate to be with a woman they don't care. Then as a way to justify their situation they lash out against single men that are unwilling to accept a woman as ugly as the guy accepted.
Guys are with a woman whose personality is such that no other guy would want to be with the woman. She runs the relationship, they have a dead bedroom, she treats him like a workhorse and she rarely ever acts feminine.
Lots of guys think they have a catch with either scenario but in reality, men are better off being single than with either of these kinds of women.
It's more about being lucky, but it has nothing to do with brainwashing. If you haven't met your eventual spouse by.... at the LATEST 22 it's over. We've disrupted the natural order enough by now to believe that isn't true but it is.
I'd really put the age lower, but i'm trying to be nice. I've made this comment here before, Quoting in part:
"I will never have a childhood best friend I've known for 20 years. Simply because I missed that opportunity, I'm not a child anymore and don't have one, so pursuing it now is futile.
A long term relationship is the same. You have to find a woman who will be with you as an investment, thus who is mature early. You both offer your best years.
If you don't find that early enough you've missed the boat. Exceptions may happen, I couldn't say. But your odds sink to the trench.
Healthy relationships are rare, partially because most of the population are selfish thoughtless morons, incapable of pair bonding without social pressure.
If you are in the category that requires that pressure to find somebody it will work with, tough luck mate. Get a dog"
It's the same crap I hear from cat women. They want what's out of their league. If you didn't have warped sexual images poisoning your mind you probably wouldn't have such high standards. Most women aren't porn star level attractive. It warps your reality and what real women look like.
You're just trying to lower men's standards to adapt to how ugly women are. 70% of women are overweight in NA. When I go to Thailand, the women are just fine there. The problem isn't men's warped standards, it's that western white women are fucking ugly. Decades of resentment toward the patriarchy, tattoos to rebel against their fathers, fat acceptance. Fast food. 0 standards being enforced on women. The women in western countries are ugly as fuck. Men aren't here to run a charity service to save the whales nor do men have too high of standards. Women are just that fucking fat and ugly. They're getting Botox in their twenties because they can't take care of their skin while they play on tons of fakeup and eat more fast food. Stuff their face with carbs. Say they're dieting as they eat a salad then go home and bake a bunch of cupcakes.
There are good looking women in the west but these women don't have the time of day for average men but ironically in other countries, these women that are hot in western countries are just an average girl in other countries. Eastern Europe has always been a good example of this. A 6/10 in EE (up until 10 years ago when the west started corrupting the youth in EE) was easily an 8/10 in western countries.
The women in the west are fucking ugly.
Men have reasonable standards. Women do not have reasonable standards. Hot to a woman is 6'4", $300k/yr broad shoulders bad boy touch. That's so few men, it's entirely unrealistic and most men can't be that if they tried. Men's standards are literally put 2 seconds of effort into your look in the morning, stop trying to rebel against doing what men like because you hate men, don't be fat, stop acting like a frumpy crass pig. Every single woman can be what a man wants if she tries. They don't try here. Men can't be what women want even if they tried. There is no comparison between women's wants and men's wants. Women are unreasonable and men are reasonable.
That is a strange leap of logic to me. I agree that porn can warp someone's reality - like expecting women to put out without any foreplay or seduction - but porn stars tend to be ugly, covered in tats, fake boobs, and fat or obvious druggies. The other guy correctly pointed out that outside of America they have higher standards of femininity, but even there you aren't getting the cream of the crop women. It's why whenever an attractive one does enter the biz she becomes super famous until inevitably her age and the industry destroy her.
Also this might be liberal bias pushing a narrative on me (guys who brag about liking porn tend to be leftist "male feminists") but I think the image of reality that porn normalizes is cuckoldry, interracial sex, incest, and living in a polycule with a fatty and 5 other guys. Not the unattainable 10 star wife.
I would argue that one of the current hardships is the court system, hence the discussion of the need to overcome it.
I agree. Let's discuss. Not give up and whack it to porn and be losers.
Who the hell says to date single moms?
Single moms.
Not exactly "right-wingers"
Is your spellcheck always complaining to you too? Because I have no idea how to type that symbol on the keyboard, but the "English (United States)" dictionary assures me that I'm wrong and it is necessary.
That's called an Umlaut.
It's not an umlaut in French. I forget what it's called but not that.
Tréma, which has its own accent because fuck you, too! 🥖
I totally forgot that from French class. I remember that is separates syllables, but IDK the theory of it.
The é is easy to understand if you understand the sound it makes. Anywhere that an e would make the e sound but they want it to make the é sound, they put é.
Or just use the ascii code. For a lower-case i with an umlaut, hold down alt and type 139
Just use spellcheck to type it for you. Or I guess you can add the English spelling without accent. It's correct either way.
I do the same thing for all kinds of accents. I don't even have my computer setup to type them; it's just autocorrect.
You can type it via an alt code, though I don't know the code offhand, fairly easy to pull up a table of them for various accent marks via search though.
Ï is easy with a phone keyboard. Hold the letter I and choose.
You're still mad about me wanting to ban porn? Let's do a little thinking here lethn, see me, not on porn anymore, happy relationship and just had my first child. You, on porn, whining about women, and not having a family.
I wish all my bros the best. Don't get caught in a porn trap. It is not your friend. It is a crutch and an addiction.
Edit: guess so lol downvotes
You're 33, never had a gf, and love porn? you're encouraging young men to follow in your footsteps? If this is who you want to emulate, guys, go ahead. If you think following someone who's given up and wants to feel sorry for themselves and keep beating their meat to porn whores you'll end up just like this.
I don't blame you for being upset with modern women, but I do blame you for staying weak and encouraging other men to stay weak with you. Crab in a bucket mentality. You hide behind figures to justify not putting yourself out there. Yes women can be toxic and dangerous. But the answer to some foods being poison isn't to not eat at all.
Mgtow/incels usually have high standards from sitting around jerking to porn stars who are usually way hotter than most human women. So when you meet a woman who's on your level you don't find her attractive. You're in the worldwide economic 1-2% and probably taller than most men worldwide and instead you focus on the cohort of hotties you can't get and use that to say you have no options.
Get over yourself and get out there.
Block lol
what if I told you it was both. that porn addiction demotivates young men from pursuing relationships, while at the same time the law makes any kind of relationship a massive liability.
Porn is a symptom of the problem. That's not to say that it doesn't feed back into the problem, but if female hypergamy were kept in check and the divorce laws were fixed then porn would be a nonissue.
The dailywire is the worst of the lot when it comes to that
What is the women problem? Women bad? Okay imp. You can whine and complain but the truth is a small minority of men in history ever lived long enough to succeed in reproducing and continuing their family. This is no different.
If you want to hide in a hole wracking off to porn and crying about how hard it is to find a woman you're a loser. And when you die your entire family line ends with you. Imagine your male ancestors who fought wars and famine to have a family and you complain cause Stacy won't swipe on your tinder profile.
Don't fall off your pedestal lol. I'm just tired of hearing coomers encourage men to stay losers/coomers because a lot of young modern women are toxic.
Cuz married men never wack it?
That falls under fixing divorce laws. You restore the wife's duty to put out and enforce it by allowing the husband to leave without having his life destroyed if she doesn't. I don't think that's how fault based divorce worked back when it was a thing, but the only way to fix the system is to start applying contract law to what's essentially a contract. Someone here suggested the abolishing family courts and having civil law courts handle family law, and it's such a good idea that I've been running with it ever since.
Porn addictions dont' always come from a lack of sex from the wife, though. Or, sometimes there's a good reason for a drought, and men may get into it at that point while experiencing trouble later.
No, it would still be an issue. The average age someone views porn is around 10. No one knows WTF hypergamy is at that age.
Porn doesn't affect the brain negatively? Despite countless studies showing that? Porn addict copers here.
I didn't deny that porn feeds back into the problem, I just don't think it causes the problem in the first place. Most men are going to want to do things with a real woman, and that being unfeasible makes falling down the porn rabbit hole more likely.
Agreed. Porn is the sedative that sooths the sexual itch that drives men to achieve. Your brain is tricked into thinking you're mating with women and leaves you satisfied. But not really, just a partial release and more upset because you aren't any closer to real sexual experience.
You may discover, once you have a girlfriend that you would still watch porn and in time it will cause issues for you.
I'm not saying you should not watch it or that you specifically can't handle it but porn is not without consequence, you can't push that dopamine button every day, multiple times a day and expect not to affect you.
I gave up porn a while ago and it has been for the best.
I'm not advocating for any ban on porn, just that people need to be aware is not without cost.
And there it is. based on the sentence, I would guess that your romantic needs feel satisfied enough that you don't feel the need to pursue women. Porn artificially induces this. With that part of your instincts satisfied, you are free to pursue other things.
Let me clarify: this is not a bad thing, but it is a thing.
Exactly. Porn scratches that itch and pushes men back into a hole of lifelessness and apathy. It's no surprise that coomers are among the most nihilistic depressed people because they watch porn all day and it warps their perception of women entirely and drains them of any motivation to actually have a family.
Can we dispense with this? Addiction of every sort basically hijacks the same neuro-chemical pathways so it's not "an addictive personality" or whatever bullshit. It's that you got addicted and people relapsing into the same addiction as before but just using a different substance to trigger the same pathways as always.
Now mix in the fact that smart phones, the internet and social media have all basically primed every single member of society to be an addict of some sort and you start to get an idea of just how deep this problem goes.
Are you going to tell me that nicotine patches cause smoking?
I genuinely am having trouble seeing how this metaphor applies?
To be more specific, your example is correlation not causation. The classical logical fallacy of Non Sequitur: It does not follow.
Do men use porn and then not pursue relationships? Or do men not pursue relationships and then use porn?
Would you be more comfortable with the example: "Wet streets cause rain"?
I see, your logic is flawed then.
The viewing of porn is not caused by lack of relationships, nor is it caused by a lack of motivation to pursue a relationship.
People view porn because they are horny and it's easy, simple as.
By releasing sexual tension frequently, people are satisfying a large portion of what drives the pursuit of the opposite sex. it does not eliminate dating, far from it, but it does reduce desperation for a mate.
As stated in another thread, this is not a bad thing. strong relationships have remained, and I would argue have not diminished. people who would not be happy in a relationship no longer seek them.
Yeah, that is a statement. It is a bold and clear statement. You still have not established a causal link between porn use and lack of relationships.
You are making two statements.
You then declare that easy access to porn is negatively impacting relationships.
It is a multi-factor problem. There are many distinct issues at play. You yourself have identified one of them.
Restating your original position with more emphasis won't convince me.
Calling my logic flawed is fucking nonsensical. Prove your damn point, don't insult my critique because you forgot to bring any facts.
I never made this argument, and I never implied this at all.
what part of
Do you not understand? read the entire comment before replying.
Men begin using porn before having relationships. When was the first time you looked at porn? Average starting age of consumption in the USA is 10 years old. Boys get hooked on porn way before having relationships with women.
Yeah, okay. Now show that it is a causal link to the decline of relationships and the increase of failed relationships.
Personally I think you will have a better time showing that Tinder has profoundly changed the behavior of women. I guess that makes it harder to tell men that the deserve to be alone?
So there once was this guy with a bulldozer. I've even thought he went a bit too far. I can understand though, because if this happened to me I might just be buying my own bulldozer.
Killdozer was way ahead of his time.
That shit went down in 2004.
Child Support is the most corrupt arm of the government in almost any nation and its shocking how little people understand just how bad it really is.
Like, this isn't even the worst I've seen. At least he wasn't jailed for "not paying" the 130k he owes in backpay, even if he didn't owe it until today. As I've seen similar happen to other men.
Because they will jail you for not being able to pay a fee they imposed based on nothing, and then that fee will keep piling up while you are in fucking jail. So that when you get out you have a massive debt and a fresh new criminal record to help you get a job to pay it off!
Unreasonable child support is the remainder of an equation used to balance radical feminism and unloading thots and their thug spawn off the govt tit.
The more feminist a country is, the harsher the laws are against men. In France you can't even get a paternity test without the woman's permission. They don't care if the man they've trapped into slavery is the actual father or not.
Once again, MGTOW is right.
Mgtow is a bunch of losers that won't reproduce and are irrelevant in 1 generation. Just the other side of the anti natalist agenda.
where's Imp?
He's in the slammer for being too many years ahead of the curve.
He got tranny jannied. 96 days this time.
Living rent free in all of our heads.
In our thots and players.
The precedent is chilling and is, in my opinion, where this case becomes an abomination, but the particulars of this case end up "okay" for the defendant. Hear me out.
He'll pay $4,362 per month until the middle child is 18 (currently 15), and a smaller sum until the youngest is 18 (12 years old at the moment). He'll also have to pay ~$130,000 in child support retroactively for the 7 years the couple was together in what the judge determined was a "marriage-like relationship."
However... a marriage-like relationship means the man is entitled to half of the $1.5 million property the woman purchased and intended to keep for herself, so that's cool.
I don't know about you, but $4,000 a month drain from my paycheck is not "okay", and half of a property that I will need yet another lawyer to get any value out of does not make up for it.
Totally, man. I just meant he gets something out of it, not that it's actually okay. Like I said, the precedent is an abomination.
You're gullible if you think any of that money will go directly to kids needs or if he even has a fart of a chance for even a single brick from that house.
Any cuck faggot that pays that shit deserves what he gets. You get what you tolerate.
Yes, incels, date more single mothers or you are misogynist Nazis!
Ongoing child support is bad enough (and it's REALLY bad), but to make him pay retroactive support from day one of the relationship?? What the fuck....
Never have on-off relationships. No sex 'til marriage. Only marry virgins. Problem: Mostly solved.
I'll let you know when I find one!
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I'm surprised more men don't "act accordingly" when the judiciary system leaves them with nothing to lose.
The mansion does lessen the sting somewhat, but I can guarantee you the ho and her spawn wouldn't get a dime from me. I'd go to prison first, but before that at least try to hide my money so it looks like I have no income. Failing that, we'd progress to various options that fall under rule 2. The courts only do this because they know they can get away with it.
That's what the judge called it. Yep, sounds exactly the same as a marriage to me.
Why doesn't Canada just formally declare itself an authoritarian dictatorship and cease the pretense of being a democracy?
Something something Matriarchy
He's a cancer. I think the guy who called him an enemy is correct.
He gives us just enough slack on the leash to keep us complacent but muzzles everyone who starts to formulate anything resembling an effective strategy.
It's kind of ingenious really. Fuck things up bad enough that moderate solutions that most people would be amenable to are completely and totally ineffective. With those solutions off the table and the issue unresolved, people will inevitably start identifying more drastic solutions that the severity of the situation has made necessary. These solutions are less palatable and can therefor be squashed as "extremist" or whatever the moral cudgel of the day is. This effectively locks the trajectory of the disaster in with no escape hatch or off ramp. The disaster will proceed, your civilization will become a ruinous wasteland and you will not be allowed to talk about how you might prevent that from happening because to do so violates the decorum of polite society.
If you can't discuss solutions you can't enact them.
Then you get lone actors like Brenton Tarrant, because some people refuse to stand idly by and watch the disaster unfold without lifting a finger, and that gets used as an excuse to clamp down further on any discussion of potential solutions. It's a beautifully orchestrated feedback loop.
He unironically believes that I'm trying to get people here killed or arrested because I suggested getting involved in local politics, literally what you're supposed to have an inalienable right to do.
Did you know "DomitiusOfMassilia" is Latin for "dominated by men anally" ?
I didn't, but I'm completely unsurprised. I don't know why we allow a literal faggot to mod this board. No one likes him and he'd be much more comfortable playing Spez's game.
Just to be clear, it does not actually mean that. I wouldn't want Power Bottom Supreme to ban me for R12.
Careful, you can cop a ban if he can infer your support for rule 2 solutions from context.
He banned me for calling the jews receiving 80 years of holocaust reparations parasites. Idk I thought we can call welfare parasites parasites but not Jewish ones.
If you don't say it he's already won. Dom the cuck can ban a user and a user can just make a new account. Stop self censoring.