Future of Europe/US?
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Poor kid raised on feminism and tolerance. The only thing that muzzies respond to historically is straight brutality, which ironically enough is why Iraq and Afghanistan failed so miserably, “hearts and minds” campaigns, beyond retarded engagement requirements, and on and on.
There's just a certain IQ threshold where the only negative reinforcement that works is disproportionate, immediate corporal violence when they start acting up.
The defense contractors made bank so it's a win as far as they are concerned.
I remember I asked an open borders person why he lives in a fancy gated community or why he didn’t take any of these poor migrants in to live with him and his family. He said I was racist
I had a similar discussion with a neighbor. She is completely isolated from any consequence and she has no problem with immigrants but she would not allow her daughter to take a bus in the city. She is not saying directly cause of the recent migrant spike but she was unable to make up any other excuses on why she would not allow her to take the bus.
As a Christian I am all for helping the less fortunate but simply exporting the poor from one country to another doesn’t address the problem and makes things worse
Well you have a point there. I guess I mean the legitimate poor around the world. Exporting them to another country isn’t a solution. And as you mentioned part of the problem is exactly what you said about destroying their own country and then demanding entrance into another. Trump got attacked for simply pointing out how you have people claiming asylum while passing through multiple countries. That is economic opportunism. You may want a better life but that isn’t grounds for any status
Admittedly, on occasion it's also because of geopolitical bullshit, but even so, the root cause is still that they choose not to fix their home countries.
And even in cases where maybe the odds were stacked against them due to a powerful authoritarian government, they still resort to this kind of bullshit when they're presented with an easy opportunity to thrive via refugee handouts. They were given more opportunities than most and still chose to behave like senseless savages.
Fuck em. Quoting Kirk in Star Trek 6: "Let them die."
I'm the first to opine that the problem with Dumbfuckistan is that it is full of Dumbfuckistanis, but as a counter point: in the era of globalism how often are a people actually allowed to rework their country without prior approval? For example, in El Salvador, Bukele rounded up ALL of the gangbangers and chucked them into a 21st century dungeon. How did Western NGOs respond? By calling him a dictator/strongman/threat to democracy. If he does something that bothers our betters at the State Department/CIA he will be Kennedy'ed.
Oh I agree. Like it's definitely a dual-sided issue. Sometimes a country is so beyond fucked that you can't seriously expect people to be able to fix it. Sometimes that's because of their government, culture, and/or society alone. Other times it's because of geopolitical shenanigans (Which, at least for a few decades has more often come from the US or other Western powers, but it can come from other sources of affiliation as well)
Even so, again, it doesn't offer any kind of a reasonable excuse for how some of these derps behave when they actually do get a fair shake via entry into a Western country. Like we're not just talking about them having trouble fitting in. What we're talking about is them becoming a nearly invasive demographic of non-native hoodrats who sweep through like a plague. They don't HAVE to be a bunch of useless and uncivil hoodrats, but they certainly have a tendency to choose that option.
I assume that you live in a Western country and think that the West at large is undergoing a collapse. Do you think that you personally made your country this way? And if there were another country with better conditions that you could make a new life in, would you stay and suffer in your own country and force your family to do the same? I don’t think your analysis is an accurate representation of the situation that most refugees are in.
They're not coming here for "a better life.". They're coming here to take our lives and livelihood away from us. They're despoilers and invaders, not benign petitioners.
That’s an incredibly ignorant statement. You’d expect despoilers and invaders to look like actual, militant, organized despoilers and invaders. Even in the worst of these videos, they’re clearly not soldiers or spies trained in subversion. Most migrants are people looking to better their own lives. Some of them do so at the expense of others. It’s immature and downright unrealistic to assume that most of them see themselves as conquerors.
No I wouldn't. I'd expect it to look exactly like this. Because that's what it is. That's exactly how the Umayyad caliphate took over chunk after chunk of Spain.
That's exactly what islam does funny enough. It's called taqqiya.
Yes? Like most people for most of history. I think the US is about to take a turn that makes the fall of the USSR look like a market downturn. I'm not going anywhere. I'm certainly not going anywhere if I'm right.
Most people for most of history only stayed in unfavorable situations only if they were unable to leave. Why would you willingly stay?
Are you sure about that statement? "This land is mine" is a far more common sentiment through history methinks.
Well that is true too, Western people at large at least allowed the West to turn into this
Perhaps it is. The question is, does anyone here think that they themselves and their families personally deserve blame and deserve to stay and suffer?
I don't fault some people for trying to come here, but I don't fault us for trying to keep them in their home countries either.
Also some people definitely deserve personal blame for the way their countries are now. If you're only after the almighty dollar, you are part of the problem and that describes more than a few migrants. They don't deserve to suffer, but they deserve to have to stay in their country and help fix it.
But you were not one who “deliberately burn[ed] his home to the ground”. You were unfortunate enough to be innocently misguided by certain people in your society, and you had more important priorities besides devoting your life to nebulous political affairs, and once your situation gets bad enough, you’ll hope for help and charity to ease your challenges, whether it be from kindhearted people or from God.
I know these parasitic opportunists are actively making the countries they move to worse. Resources are not infinite and we cannot afford to allow are own societies to collapse just because people want a better life for free. These "refugees" as you call them are really economic opportunists. They've also proven that the countries they're moving to would be far better off without them.
If you take all the starving children out of Africa and move them to the USA, what will the Africans do? They'll continue to breed like rabbits, and create more starving children. Meanwhile, the starving children that are now in the USA put more strain on the system, and the problem remains unsolved.
Whenever I try to explain this to retarded leftists, they just end up calling me uncaring, racist, xenophobic, etc. and not realizing that people leaving a country that needs them for a country that doesn't, ends up hurting the original country in the long run.
Bingo. But they aren’t willing to roll up their sleeves and help with real solutions because part of it is explaining exactly what you said. Also it’s very en vogue on the left to be pro open borders.
Catholic charities in the US and Europe are epitome of this attitude. Once upon a time if you wanted to help those poor souls in a far-off land then you joined a religious order, rolled up your sleeves, and prepared to spend the next forty years of your life working your ass off on the other end of the world, probably ultimately dying of some tropical disease. Now you go to law school and join a "charity" that help migrants claim asylum. I say all this as a Catholic.
I understand Lutherans are similar, thus the Somali population of Minesota.
I am Lutheran and I can say it’s similar.
you'd be surprised if you look up the board of directors who run those catholic ngos that keep importing the third worlders
names that don't usually associate with catholicism
Birth control in the food aid 40 years ago would have prevented today.
Or just no food aid in the first place. Importing food allows local populations to grow beyond sustainable levels. It makes a population extremely vulnerable to both artificial and natural scarcity, even in a sane nation where the birth rate doesn't expand to match and then slightly exceed the supply.
Of course, all the food aid went to countries that, within a generation, managed to outbreed even the aid, so they needed more, and more, and more.
We have essentially artificially created the greatest famine humankind has ever suffered, and we have little control over when it's going to begin.
Letting ten thousand starve would have been far kinder than bringing forth ten million who will one day suffer the same fate.
Yeah, well, one gets banned around here if you suggest the niggers should get Bob Barkered.
Simply allowing reality to impose its limits would have been sufficient, but the baizuo are physiologically incapable of accepting reality.
On top of that, foreign aid has two other problems as well:
When all the resources comes in, and whoever in the local country receives the shipments for distribution gains immense power, money and influence. Thus, you inevitably end up with strongmen and rampant corruption. (Even if some honest Western NGO - should such a thing exist - handles distribution directly, there's still locals demanding payment for letting them in, skimming stuff off the top, determining which locals actually get stuff, etc)
It vastly suppresses local economies. When other people flood in food, clothing, medicine, etc. to your area that they just give away, what reason do you have to make any of that yourself? Sure, there are some ambitious people who try but even then they are up against vast competition from free stuff. So, in the end, you end up with economies that are entirely dependent on foreign aid and large numbers of people who don't have anything useful to do.
Ten million is an understatement. Africa will lose a third of its population. They'll de facto invade the entire rest of the planet.
In a genuine famine, they wouldn't make it off the continent. The current invasion is all economic opportunism. If these people were hungry, they'd be starving before they made it to the Mediterranean.
If and when a total economic collapse happens is when things get ugly. Africa is going to outdo the Holodomor and the Great Leap Forward and it all could've been avoided.
As a Christian, the term "the less fortunate" is a satanic, Marxist inversion that you should avoid. Their evil, barbarous, can't wipe ass societies are not the way they are due to bad luck.
I think this is a bit of an overstatement. If you take South America as an example, they're founded on the same Humanist cum Marxist ideologies as the US currently sits on. We have had the benefit of economic prosperity and an unexpectedly resilient anti-Statist constitution. I'm not certain that these will last much longer.
If you think that's an overstatement then you haven't been to the middle east. They're every bit that bad and worse.
You’ve been to the Middle East?
Yes.
And on top of that many of those "less fortunate" instead of being grateful they take you by stupid for helping them out and see you as a weak westerner they can prey upon to take all you have. It is not realistic to expect others to be like you, specially if they have been raised in a different cultural environment.
Anyone who isn't racist is an idiot frankly.
I wouldn’t consider myself racist because I can’t disregard a whole race of people but people consider anything and everything racist. I was called racist for condemning rioting and looting in 2020. Go figure. But saying certain truths gets you that label
I swear to God some of the fuckers in this crowd look atleast 30, I thought these were school children but no - there are honest to goodness manlets are among them.
I sincerely hope that shit like this culminates into a collective rebirth of a Vlad Tepes consciousness, because that's what they seem to want. Why are they so fucking ungrateful to the people kind enough to let them in? Who knows - fuck em'.
I'm waiting for the right in europe to find their balls and start removing illegals and leftists, either via deportation or gunshots.
And I'll shrug and say 'good riddance'.
Honestly, they might just be really ugly teenagers.
Probably unpopular opinion.. but that norway shooter makes sense now.
That's not really unpopular it's just that people are scared to admit that a lot of the crazies that do that kind of shit are raising valid concerns
The issue is HOW THEY EXPRESS those concerns. The population at large are dumb so can't seperate the valid criticisms and concerns from....all the death.
At some point, violence is the solution.
We blew past that mile marker years ago but no one wants to admit it just yet.
My issue is that they usually attack low value targets that have harmful optics instead of going after leadership.
Isnt he gonna be out in like 25 years or something?? Like norway not having life sentences or death sentences.
Being a leftist society they also don't really have laws. They'll invent a reason to keep him locked up.
Ah ha! I knew it. Local TV was reporting this with all the faces censored and a message from the police to not engage in witchhunts. I've seen the feet kissing before and I'm sure we all remember the guy in Iraq throwing his shoes at George Bush. Another video had an attacker alleging the victim had used the dreaded N-word. That was a dead giveaway.
Apparently its pretty common in Belgium?
https://x.com/geertwilderspvv/status/1692208680219939049
https://x.com/antiwhitewatch1/status/1691464266271145984
That's the thing, there's NEVER a good time to pussify your population, even in totalitarian shitholes like North Korea or the Soviet Union at it's peak during Stalin's purges did they do that.
Why? Because there will be a time that barbarians come knocking on your door and you need to have the will and force to send them to hell if they don't learn to stay away. Europe's only recovery is getting closer to a 4th reich unfortunately, that's how bad the situation is that it may require a MASSIVE overreach to correct. The US is better in that bulkanization and red states literally starving out the blue might fix things, that or a massive purge.
Sure there is. It they're not really your population at all. Say for example you're a disparate group of parasites who have spent thousands of years toppling civilized societies. Then it's going to be pretty much par for the course that once you achieve power you'll puss out the citizenry.
If such a people existed, one would imagine they'd be widely reviled.
Are we stepping into 'the only Hadrian did wrong was not finish the job' territory with this?
In some ways it was worse than that. Rome practically founded the concept of a lightly restrictive immigration policy.
A big stepping stone started with Julius Caesar who wanted to gain further control over the senate by adding Gaul representatives (which is a big part of why he got stabbed to death during the Ides of March).
And I think the idea evolved under Augustus Caesar with the idea of Romanizing the barbarian territories and incorporating them into the empire. This of course backfired, multiple times. Not that the idea was totally unfounded, especially since such measures had seemed to work out when they employed it in more civilized territories like Greece and Asia Minor, but ultimately it was repeated and led to failure, time and time again.
It finally ended when barbarians totally took over Rome itself. A final and well earned disgrace when you had barbarian warlords ruling over the Romans within former Roman government homes and chambers.
There's a certain irony with how leftists have been trying to label the Roman empire as fascist for the last decade or so, in spite of how some of their policies so closely mirror the modern left.
(I may be off on a few details, but I think this is a generally accurate summary. Feel free to correct me if I'm incorrect on anything.)
I can't watch that shit
Well documented trend but, remember, Diversity is our Strength!
I think the common sentiment is "how long will this last before people stand up?" Quite frankly, I don't expect the Europeans (or any Western nation) to fight back against this. These disgusting savages have become mercenaries of the EU. They torture the children while the police states ensure that any attempts by the children to fight back are quickly punished. Their weapons have been confiscated while the savages are able to wield machetes freely. Their speech has been curtailed and made illegal while the savages are able to espouse their hatred freely.
yes, unless something drastic happens and happens fast.
This happens with literally every ethnic group that reaches critical mass with the exception of a small subset of white europeans who evolved to drink milk and be just slightly more open minded than your average cro-magnon. Just a tiny bit of valuing individuals instead of groups, processing ideas over ideology, it was enough to invent the entire modern world. It was enough to reach the stars. But once geographic barriers were eliminated by their own technology, they were defenseless. They had no ingroup values to protect themselves. A sea of individuals, no matter how great, can be picked off one by one.
This is bullshit. Most White Americans disapproved of interracial marriage all the way into the 90s, well after the moon landing. This narrative that some sort of inherent nature of White people is simply running its course is a psyop you are falling for. It's definitely seeded and promoted by the evil people in power in order to obfuscate the necessity of their removal.
In most societies on earth, interracial marriage isn't even a possibility because multiple races do not coexist within a country. If an indian girl runs off and starts dating outside her caste, her brother will throw acid in her face. If you're a hutu and associate with a tutsi, the villiage will chop you up with their machetes. That's the norm. The fact that some whites tolerate the existence of other races is an extreme anomaly, likely never to be seen again.
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Diaspora blacks hardly ever even know if their roots are hutu,, tutsi, etc. They kill each other a lot but not for anything to do with that.
I didn't say anything about "diaspora blacks", I was using hutu and tutsi as an example of typical tribalism that is common in most countries. Your average black in america likely doesn't descend from either of those tribes.
But since you brought it up, "diaspora blacks" as you call them, are ruthlessly tribal. The readily break into factions and value the group above their own lives. They will attack outsiders in a swarm, much like africanized honey bees. They will reject information if it comes from an outsider. This is normal. It's how most of humanity operates. The enlightenment was the anomaly.
I don't see any reason to think of the enlightenment in bio-essentialist terms. A vast majority of whites were "un-enlightened" for a long time until it became institutionalized.
I don't understand the willingness to give in is that just how bad we've gotten? If I'm about to get my shit kicked in I'm not going down on my knees. What did it change for this guy? Nothing but making him look like a pussy. Stand up and try to make it a 2 for 1 trade. Maybe you fail but bending over and accepting it is worse.
Just don't have kids, keep moving to white areas. By the time you retire and die, things might be bad but you'll do alright. It's not worth it trying to fix anything. Just let nature take its course. The elite know what they're doing and they're in charge. They want this outcome. That means they have a plan. I suspect the plan is to genocide whites so they can have an easier to control dumber population. Don't worry though, there will still be white people, girls and boys, grown by the elite to fuck in child farms so whites won't entirely go instinct, they'll just be grown as exotic sex slaves. You're never going to fix this. The last time someone tried to fix this it was white people themselves who stopped him and most whites, even those who see whats going on, refuse to accept he was the good guy, so good game, it's over.
The best one can hope for is for the entire demonic species to finally go extinct, without taking any more other species with it.
Why would you hope for something that's not going to happen? That's just a recipe for unhappiness. Best anyone can hope for is whatever you enjoy doing in your life, do it. If you can't do it then hope for death.
oh, it's over?
kill yourself, then?
oh, you won't?
so it's not over?
It's over. Just waiting until I die.
yea, i look forward to that, shlomo.
You don't have to wait, you know.