Future of Europe/US?
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I assume that you live in a Western country and think that the West at large is undergoing a collapse. Do you think that you personally made your country this way? And if there were another country with better conditions that you could make a new life in, would you stay and suffer in your own country and force your family to do the same? I don’t think your analysis is an accurate representation of the situation that most refugees are in.
They're not coming here for "a better life.". They're coming here to take our lives and livelihood away from us. They're despoilers and invaders, not benign petitioners.
That’s an incredibly ignorant statement. You’d expect despoilers and invaders to look like actual, militant, organized despoilers and invaders. Even in the worst of these videos, they’re clearly not soldiers or spies trained in subversion. Most migrants are people looking to better their own lives. Some of them do so at the expense of others. It’s immature and downright unrealistic to assume that most of them see themselves as conquerors.
No I wouldn't. I'd expect it to look exactly like this. Because that's what it is. That's exactly how the Umayyad caliphate took over chunk after chunk of Spain.
That's exactly what islam does funny enough. It's called taqqiya.
Much of that is plainly incorrect, and I would urge readers to beware of someone making unfounded claims about historical fact that are difficult to verify as if those were sound support of their arguments. The most useful arguments are ones that demonstrate self-evident logic and don’t assume tenuous claims like “That's exactly how the Umayyad caliphate took over chunk after chunk of Spain” and “It's called taqqiya” as fact.
The Umayyad Caliphate conquered Spain mostly through conventional warfare, like in almost every conquest in history. Military force is what gives a conquest the impetus and the conditions to succeed, and it is something that these migrant waves are categorically unconnected with. Cultural subversion is typical of a conquest, but it is not the defining feature.
Taqiya is about avoiding persecution, not subverting and replacing an indigenous culture. It is not a military doctrine that Muslims are trained to follow; it is a philosophy and practice for surviving a hostile environment.
Yes? Like most people for most of history. I think the US is about to take a turn that makes the fall of the USSR look like a market downturn. I'm not going anywhere. I'm certainly not going anywhere if I'm right.
Most people for most of history only stayed in unfavorable situations only if they were unable to leave. Why would you willingly stay?
Are you sure about that statement? "This land is mine" is a far more common sentiment through history methinks.
It’s common among the jingoist or statist minorities. Most people simply trying to live their lives don’t subscribe to values like that unless they’re sheltered enough from the consequences of conflict.
Well that is true too, Western people at large at least allowed the West to turn into this
Perhaps it is. The question is, does anyone here think that they themselves and their families personally deserve blame and deserve to stay and suffer?
I don't fault some people for trying to come here, but I don't fault us for trying to keep them in their home countries either.
Also some people definitely deserve personal blame for the way their countries are now. If you're only after the almighty dollar, you are part of the problem and that describes more than a few migrants. They don't deserve to suffer, but they deserve to have to stay in their country and help fix it.
That’s a fairly reasonable perspective. The problem is that a lot of the people here are self-contradicting hypocrites who disguise their egoism and cruelty behind conservative morals that they wouldn’t apply to themselves.
But you were not one who “deliberately burn[ed] his home to the ground”. You were unfortunate enough to be innocently misguided by certain people in your society, and you had more important priorities besides devoting your life to nebulous political affairs, and once your situation gets bad enough, you’ll hope for help and charity to ease your challenges, whether it be from kindhearted people or from God.
I know these parasitic opportunists are actively making the countries they move to worse. Resources are not infinite and we cannot afford to allow are own societies to collapse just because people want a better life for free. These "refugees" as you call them are really economic opportunists. They've also proven that the countries they're moving to would be far better off without them.