Future of Europe/US?
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As a Christian I am all for helping the less fortunate but simply exporting the poor from one country to another doesn’t address the problem and makes things worse
Well you have a point there. I guess I mean the legitimate poor around the world. Exporting them to another country isn’t a solution. And as you mentioned part of the problem is exactly what you said about destroying their own country and then demanding entrance into another. Trump got attacked for simply pointing out how you have people claiming asylum while passing through multiple countries. That is economic opportunism. You may want a better life but that isn’t grounds for any status
Admittedly, on occasion it's also because of geopolitical bullshit, but even so, the root cause is still that they choose not to fix their home countries.
And even in cases where maybe the odds were stacked against them due to a powerful authoritarian government, they still resort to this kind of bullshit when they're presented with an easy opportunity to thrive via refugee handouts. They were given more opportunities than most and still chose to behave like senseless savages.
Fuck em. Quoting Kirk in Star Trek 6: "Let them die."
I'm the first to opine that the problem with Dumbfuckistan is that it is full of Dumbfuckistanis, but as a counter point: in the era of globalism how often are a people actually allowed to rework their country without prior approval? For example, in El Salvador, Bukele rounded up ALL of the gangbangers and chucked them into a 21st century dungeon. How did Western NGOs respond? By calling him a dictator/strongman/threat to democracy. If he does something that bothers our betters at the State Department/CIA he will be Kennedy'ed.
Oh I agree. Like it's definitely a dual-sided issue. Sometimes a country is so beyond fucked that you can't seriously expect people to be able to fix it. Sometimes that's because of their government, culture, and/or society alone. Other times it's because of geopolitical shenanigans (Which, at least for a few decades has more often come from the US or other Western powers, but it can come from other sources of affiliation as well)
Even so, again, it doesn't offer any kind of a reasonable excuse for how some of these derps behave when they actually do get a fair shake via entry into a Western country. Like we're not just talking about them having trouble fitting in. What we're talking about is them becoming a nearly invasive demographic of non-native hoodrats who sweep through like a plague. They don't HAVE to be a bunch of useless and uncivil hoodrats, but they certainly have a tendency to choose that option.
I assume that you live in a Western country and think that the West at large is undergoing a collapse. Do you think that you personally made your country this way? And if there were another country with better conditions that you could make a new life in, would you stay and suffer in your own country and force your family to do the same? I don’t think your analysis is an accurate representation of the situation that most refugees are in.
They're not coming here for "a better life.". They're coming here to take our lives and livelihood away from us. They're despoilers and invaders, not benign petitioners.
That’s an incredibly ignorant statement. You’d expect despoilers and invaders to look like actual, militant, organized despoilers and invaders. Even in the worst of these videos, they’re clearly not soldiers or spies trained in subversion. Most migrants are people looking to better their own lives. Some of them do so at the expense of others. It’s immature and downright unrealistic to assume that most of them see themselves as conquerors.
Yes? Like most people for most of history. I think the US is about to take a turn that makes the fall of the USSR look like a market downturn. I'm not going anywhere. I'm certainly not going anywhere if I'm right.
Most people for most of history only stayed in unfavorable situations only if they were unable to leave. Why would you willingly stay?
Well that is true too, Western people at large at least allowed the West to turn into this
Perhaps it is. The question is, does anyone here think that they themselves and their families personally deserve blame and deserve to stay and suffer?
But you were not one who “deliberately burn[ed] his home to the ground”. You were unfortunate enough to be innocently misguided by certain people in your society, and you had more important priorities besides devoting your life to nebulous political affairs, and once your situation gets bad enough, you’ll hope for help and charity to ease your challenges, whether it be from kindhearted people or from God.
I know these parasitic opportunists are actively making the countries they move to worse. Resources are not infinite and we cannot afford to allow are own societies to collapse just because people want a better life for free. These "refugees" as you call them are really economic opportunists. They've also proven that the countries they're moving to would be far better off without them.
If you take all the starving children out of Africa and move them to the USA, what will the Africans do? They'll continue to breed like rabbits, and create more starving children. Meanwhile, the starving children that are now in the USA put more strain on the system, and the problem remains unsolved.
Whenever I try to explain this to retarded leftists, they just end up calling me uncaring, racist, xenophobic, etc. and not realizing that people leaving a country that needs them for a country that doesn't, ends up hurting the original country in the long run.
Bingo. But they aren’t willing to roll up their sleeves and help with real solutions because part of it is explaining exactly what you said. Also it’s very en vogue on the left to be pro open borders.
Catholic charities in the US and Europe are epitome of this attitude. Once upon a time if you wanted to help those poor souls in a far-off land then you joined a religious order, rolled up your sleeves, and prepared to spend the next forty years of your life working your ass off on the other end of the world, probably ultimately dying of some tropical disease. Now you go to law school and join a "charity" that help migrants claim asylum. I say all this as a Catholic.
I understand Lutherans are similar, thus the Somali population of Minesota.
I am Lutheran and I can say it’s similar.
you'd be surprised if you look up the board of directors who run those catholic ngos that keep importing the third worlders
names that don't usually associate with catholicism
Birth control in the food aid 40 years ago would have prevented today.
Or just no food aid in the first place. Importing food allows local populations to grow beyond sustainable levels. It makes a population extremely vulnerable to both artificial and natural scarcity, even in a sane nation where the birth rate doesn't expand to match and then slightly exceed the supply.
Of course, all the food aid went to countries that, within a generation, managed to outbreed even the aid, so they needed more, and more, and more.
We have essentially artificially created the greatest famine humankind has ever suffered, and we have little control over when it's going to begin.
Letting ten thousand starve would have been far kinder than bringing forth ten million who will one day suffer the same fate.
Yeah, well, one gets banned around here if you suggest the niggers should get Bob Barkered.
Simply allowing reality to impose its limits would have been sufficient, but the baizuo are physiologically incapable of accepting reality.
On top of that, foreign aid has two other problems as well:
When all the resources comes in, and whoever in the local country receives the shipments for distribution gains immense power, money and influence. Thus, you inevitably end up with strongmen and rampant corruption. (Even if some honest Western NGO - should such a thing exist - handles distribution directly, there's still locals demanding payment for letting them in, skimming stuff off the top, determining which locals actually get stuff, etc)
It vastly suppresses local economies. When other people flood in food, clothing, medicine, etc. to your area that they just give away, what reason do you have to make any of that yourself? Sure, there are some ambitious people who try but even then they are up against vast competition from free stuff. So, in the end, you end up with economies that are entirely dependent on foreign aid and large numbers of people who don't have anything useful to do.
Ten million is an understatement. Africa will lose a third of its population. They'll de facto invade the entire rest of the planet.
In a genuine famine, they wouldn't make it off the continent. The current invasion is all economic opportunism. If these people were hungry, they'd be starving before they made it to the Mediterranean.
If and when a total economic collapse happens is when things get ugly. Africa is going to outdo the Holodomor and the Great Leap Forward and it all could've been avoided.
As a Christian, the term "the less fortunate" is a satanic, Marxist inversion that you should avoid. Their evil, barbarous, can't wipe ass societies are not the way they are due to bad luck.
I think this is a bit of an overstatement. If you take South America as an example, they're founded on the same Humanist cum Marxist ideologies as the US currently sits on. We have had the benefit of economic prosperity and an unexpectedly resilient anti-Statist constitution. I'm not certain that these will last much longer.
If you think that's an overstatement then you haven't been to the middle east. They're every bit that bad and worse.
You’ve been to the Middle East?
And on top of that many of those "less fortunate" instead of being grateful they take you by stupid for helping them out and see you as a weak westerner they can prey upon to take all you have. It is not realistic to expect others to be like you, specially if they have been raised in a different cultural environment.