I love Kanye, and I wanted to withhold judgement on his campaign, but honestly this looks dead on arrival like everybody predicted.
If you want to talk about Jews and run for president, then you have be prepared for tough interviews. The Tim Pool show is easy mode, it’s going to get a lot harder.
LMAO it wasn't a tough interview, it was Tim self-importantly interrupting people on things we all know are true. Tim sucks. His style sucks. He's a supremely unexceptional person that only has what he has because he sucks jew dick better than most.
Look, I don't really like Tim's style either, but this desperate groyper-apologetics bullshit of "Tim interrupted him! Lol! Tim Blew It! L Tim! Talmud Tim!" is retarded.
Tim didn't even interrupt Kanye. He walked out after Tim said he wasn't using 'they' the same way as Kanye and Fuentes. Which is true, and "they" is a terrible way to discuss anything.
Even if Tim did interrupt him, that’s basically how every interview is going to go when you start talking about that stuff. Nobody wants to get their channel nuked by the ADL.
He needs media training. If he is going to be a public anti-semite, he needs to work with NOI or a white nationalist group (if they are willing). Critiquing Jewish power in public like this is not easy. There are countless tricks and bullshit you have to be prepared to wade through to make your points. It's difficult to do it here in text format let alone in public speaking.
Kanye is mentally ill and still extremely rich and successful even after losing all his brand deals. He openly thinks "I'm rich and you're not" is a valid argument as to why he is right and you're wrong. He's openly used this argument in interviews I've heard.
I've met a lot of people who actually believe "I'm rich and you're not" is a valid argument, but since they are not mentally ill, they'd never say it out loud, because they know it would immediately alienate everyone and turn everyone against them. Plus, merely by saying something so obviously self-owning, you reveal yourself to be socially unskilled to the point of being autistic, or worse.
I don't watch Kanye interviews in general, but I watched his full episode with Joe Rogan in 2020 when it 1st aired. Even back then he was clearly completely out of his depth. Joe Rogan was super friendly with him and threw him complete softball questions and Kanye still struggled a LOT with them. It was clear to me then that Kanye is surrounded in a bubble of sycophants and doesn't exist in the real world. Everyone just feeds his ego to leech money off of him, and he believes them because he's not mentally stable.
It's like michael jackson all over again, but at least he doesn't fuck with kids.
Watch the razorfist rants about this, there's a lot of evidence he didn't.
The main accuser, his dad called and was leaving messages saying things along the lines of "give us money or we'll cost you your job" and not "you motherfucker, im gunna tear your fucking throat out for touching my kid you sick freak". It was a shakedown.
His lawyers then advised paying which opened up the flood gates.
"they stayed in the same bedroom"
Macaulay Culkin: Yeah "bedroom", its more like a separate area of a 2 story house, it was an entire wing of the mansion, you don't.
I believe Michael was done dirty. Was exonerated on 14+ counts in record time.
I have no doubt that later on some parents tried to cash in and shake him down, but I thought there was some decent evidence with the earlier kids he got caught with.
In August 1993, Jackson was accused of child sexual abuse by a 13-year-old boy, Jordan Chandler, and his father, Evan Chandler.[191] Jordan said he and Jackson had engaged in acts of kissing, masturbation and oral sex.[192]
In January 1994, Jackson settled with the Chandlers out of court for a reported total sum of $23 million.[202] The police never pressed criminal charges.[203] Citing a lack of evidence without Jordan's testimony, the state closed its investigation on September 22, 1994.
It's tough to believe you'd pay a liar $23 million. It makes you look super guilty.
It does. And he perhaps shouldn't have in hindsight. But it also (as the argument went at the time) shuts the whole thing up and makes it go away just before going on a major tour. Going through a massive publicized trial instead of this big tour for this crime also makes you look super guilty.
Pay the danegeld...
Its also a quirk of asinine california law. For reasons, you have a civil case in these matters, before the criminal one. Which is insane, you have to effectivelly show the prosecution everything you'll be preparing with and giving them extra ammo well before the criminal one. So it can be a far safer bet to settle the civil one, rather than give the state extra ammo. You're jeopardizing your criminal trial by engaging in the civil, which is ass backwards.
in normal circumstances because of the californial system, settling would have been a smart decision, hard as that pill is to swallow.
There is nothing weird about California law in this context. I'm a california lawyer.
you have a civil case in these matters, before the criminal one.
The civil and criminal case can happen at the same time, neither waits for the other. Criminal cases move MUCH faster than civil cases as a matter of right since the Defendant can demand speedy trial.
you have to effectivelly show the prosecution everything you'll be preparing with and giving them extra ammo well before the criminal one.
That's not true. The cops can just raid you and take everything they want. Civil discovery is a joke next to that. I routinely have opposing parties blatantly lie to me and say "we don't have those documents" when I ask for evidence that would be helpful to my case, and 90% of the time, the judge lets them get away with it.
If a civil party just wants to tell you to fuck off in civil discovery and is willing to lie, you're fucked. However, in criminal cases, there is no "discovery" from the defendant when the prosecutor wants something, instead, the cops just kick your door in and take everything they want.
You're jeopardizing your criminal trial by engaging in the civil, which is ass backwards.
Not really, but most of the time the civil waits until after criminal because the civil lawyers want to be able to freeload off the government's search and seizure powers to get all kinds of juicy evidence they'd never be able to get in a civil case.
"Alt-right" larpers love to brand anyone who questions Kanye's version of antisemitism as normies, but Kanye's business and social decision making is dumb-neurotypical as they come.
It was clear to me then that Kanye is surrounded in a bubble of sycophants and doesn't exist in the real world.
Actually, Kanye addressed this in the interview. He essentially said that after he got rich, he "stopped aging" because he wasn't allowed to make his own decisions any more and everything was taken care of or decided by handlers. Was one of the few interesting things to come out of the 20 minutes.
The Tim Pool show is easy mode, it’s going to get a lot harder.
When Biden falls asleep and the fake news moderator starts debating on Sniffy's behalf, is Ye going to walk out again?
How about a Ye vs Trump debate? Ye can't bring his uninvited guests to help him out. Will we get to see Trump send Ye walking?
Let's say Ye makes it into the White House. Hey, if Basement Joe can do it, anything's possible. Is Ye going to walk when dealing with Kim, Xi, or Putin?
Maybe (aside from glaring mental issues), he's just reached his limit with all of these people asking the same questions, making the same arguments?
Granted you're right. He should have much thicker skin if he's going to be making the rounds like this because these types of interactions are to be expected. Probably just a personality flaw that can be fixed in due time .... Assuming that there is nothing else holding him back and that this was just all surface level, no deeper agenda/psyop
He has to be prepared to add some nuance or he is never going to deliver a message that resonates with everyone. It's the same problem Tim calls Alex Jones out on, that Alex has reached the top of the mountain and is shouting about all the stuff he sees as if it's plainly obvious to everyone else (when it's not).
Tim is good at being able to put himself into the mental frame of the centrist everyman.
Milo... is just a good monologist, like pre-coma Peterson was.
Not really. In fact, the point of his argument was specificity. If you want to re-construct that argument into a narrative on jews, fine: but you're not "deconstructing" his argument. You actually have to re-construct his argument.
They had an hour together sitting and talking in the preshow. Tim said several times they were going to cover the news first, esp talking about Kanye's 2024 bid, their dinner with Trump etc. During this hour, according to Tim, the jew question never came up.
What I expected was a not-so-controversial main segment (as not to get the show demonetized by YouTube) followed by an extremely spicy members only segment where Kanye could say start the ovens and get the trains started. This was just totally disappointing. I wanted to hear Kanye elaborate on his views and to give many more details about the jewish individuals involved and exactly what they did. Instead Kanye wanted to launch straight into it and then couldn't rationally back up his claims so he stormed out. Pathetic. Acting like a spoiled kid that couldn't come up with a decent argument about why they should be allowed to stay up late. I guess that's what being surrounded by money and 'yes men' gets you.
Everything you said is valid, except he decided to run for president. Something that will make all of that worse by a factor of 10. Something this was one of his first "interviews" for to set the stage for his bid.
Something where its no longer about you, but the people you are begging to put their hope in you to make things better for them and be resilient in the face of all that and more.
If this was just a random interview, you'd be spot on. But its not, this is all supposed to be in service of getting people on his team and he has shown he can't even handle the fucking milquetoast beanie boy when soon he will be getting hit by people whose entire existence is to destroy you in interviews like this.
Honestly, the entire show could have been dedicated to just going over the people who were trying to destroy Kanye West and that would have been more than enough for at least sympathy.
Instead, Luke had to basically explain that by himself.
It would have, and it would have built the entire "Jew" case for him by the end without having to try and address it directly until then. Because the list would have spoken for itself and let everyone have to deal with the elephant in the room of it.
If you look at some of the drama around it, it was recently leaked that Milo has years of calling Kanye gay and many other insults showing a low level of respect for him. So its almost certain this is just Milo getting his name back out of obscurity and he is almost certainly going to sell him out soon enough.
Fuentes is enough of an idiot to be in this entirely for the attention without a real plan, unless he is on Milo's team himself.
Part of me wonders if Milo's trying to be a suicide bomber, but it's still possible that the whole thing has no plan.
It just worries me how the alt-right has seemingly just ignored every problem they should have about this by their own standard. It really makes me thing they are a lot more of an explicit 5th column then I thought. I thought they were just kinda Useful Idiots to the Left, but at this point it looks like they are trying to actively harm the entirety of the political right to the benefit of the Left.
Why am I not hearing the same people who argue with me about the holocaust, not saying "This nig, this faggot, and this degenerate don't speak for me." Instead it's, "Lol, Tim's a fucking cuckold!" ... you already hate Tim Pool. He's not even white... I've had to defend Milo for not being a White Nationalist to normies, and WN's normally claim he's a fed who tried to subvert the alt-right movement initially when Richard Spencer was pushing it forwards in 2014 & 2015. To see them turn this whole thing around and call Spencer a Fed, and be completely okay with Milo... something's wrong.
It's not like when Ukraine first started and they weren't sure who's side to root for: Putin (who has Russian National Socialists operating in the army against the Ukrainians, and is an explicit illiberal authoritarian), or Ukraine (who had genuine National Socialists taking the field to defend their territory). It took them months to decide "Okay, since Israel is funding the Ukranian NatSocs, then Putin man good."
This is them siding with things that they should principally oppose. Then again, Leftists don't have principles. It's very odd.
There's also a difference between not being able to handle someone and choosing not to deal with someone.
Once you decide to be a public servant, you lose the right to the second one. Especially on the beliefs you openly are running on, in an interview you agreed to.
All this shows (well we already knew honestly) is that Kanye has no interest in using his newfound knowledge or growing fans to better anything with this bid, its all an ego stunt to prop himself up. And the moment his ego isn't getting fluffed, he bails.
Instead Kanye wanted to launch straight into it and then couldn't rationally back up his claims so he stormed out. Pathetic.
Absolutely.
It can be trivially obvious, that there is an internationalist cabal set to destroy Kanye. But the second you put that on a religion, you've crossed a line in discourse. And I think Kanye thinks that he can be the next generation of Louis Farrakhan and yet still have everything else he had before.
No, the actual problem is that in the 90's everyone forgot that Louis Farrakhan was a Malcolm X follower (a guy who criticized King for not being violent enough). And then when X jumped ship to actual Islam, Farrakhan almost certainly had him killed.
But then the Democrats win the White House and he puts on the Million Man March and lo, everything is forgotten.
The whole country was duped into thinking Farrakhan was a "civil rights activist", instead of a race war extremist.
Yeah.. for a few minutes, 20 tops. I couldn't watch the entire thing. It's the first time I saw Kanye speak for any length of time and I was startled by just how dumb he seemed. He could barely form a coherent sentence that made any sense. It seemed like he wanted to use big words but it was just all so vague. It was boring and slow. And I watch a ton of things most people would consider boring and slow.
How a guy like that becomes a billionaire is anyones guess. I guess his music is/was good? Not sure if he even still makes music.
Well, Lex is boring and slow. I cannot understand why he's so popular.
Anyway, some very rich people believe they have some sort of super power, not, say, a bit of a gimmick that catches on with the tasteless and dumb masses that dumped millions of $ in their laps. And as others have mentioned here, it comes with sycophant yes-men who praise every idiotic idea that the rich guy comes up with.
His bid for the Presidency is a bad joke, and the fact that some people take it seriously is very troubling.
Buy yeah, Kanye did specify he wasn't there to be questioned because those around him have been doing so repeatedly (including in regards to other things, afaik his hospitalization in 2016), along with everything he went through - including attempts to imprison him, apparently.
If he's not there to be questioned... why would you even go on. Why would you sit for a pre-interview for a fucking hour and still go on. That shit don't make no sense.
The walkout was epic. Ye tired of people playing stupid.
Tim is such a pompous faggot. no one wants to hear Tim talk or hear Tim's opinion. He's a bought-and-paid for worm. Ye was even breaking news on his show and Tim couldn't stop policing him on the things we all know but aren't allowed to speak of.
Coming to the conclusion that "all several hundred of them are jewish so it's the jewish who are out to get me" is not a defensible statement and you know it.
It's a "globalist media cabal" is totally defensible.
We are all still Cromwellian. It's not a "catholic conspiracy" unless the Pope is behind it. Because historically... the Pope usually was.
Well generally its easier to say it's the Jews than it is to say "well, lots of jews, some modern super rich people, intelligence agencies, actual satanists, demons, the RCC upper leaders, and bankers" because people will automatically assume the Jews are what you are leading at. Saves words.
The use of "Kanye" will be not so much to hurt Trump though the interests pushing him are certainly trying to. But this episode is too bizarre and will soon be forgotten; nor can "Ye" split the vote. But the other use will be to try to split the online right, to cause infighting, and to serve as a pretext for dox lists to be used against online anons who don't go along with the herd. This was also the purpose of the Yang astroturf before, and it's exactly the same people behind it.
-BAP
Ignore the Kanye-Catboy distraction. Counter-signaling will be used as justification for doxxing by the catboys, so stay away.
I'm actually really concerned about the "alt-right" as a structure at this point. I've long said that they are Leftists, and I've long said that the progressives need them... but this shit is starting to become a full sized fifth-column for the Left. If Milo is trying to do a political suicide-bombing on Trump using Kanye as fuel. I think bitches just gotta get purged.
You can't just try to kill the entire populist movement because of your own grievances. The fact that WN's are trying to attach themselves to a movement led by a black man and a gay man makes me think that they aren't only unprincipled like the Left, but they may be entirely in it on the Left's behalf if it means some small modicum of money or attention. They might actually be the most dangerous Useful Idiots of all. They're acting like the World Economic Bund.
I definitely see what you mean. BAP is latching onto Milo and Fuentes grifting proclivities to allege that all "facefags" are grifters. An online only political movement can't do anything beyond possibly drumming up support for whatever turd nuggets the GOP allows you to vote for. While this guy was shouting into the void, the "facefags" in the NJP helped bring a killer to justice.
In 2020 he got 0% of the black vote because the black vote is a mirage (blacks don't vote, precinct workers do, and they will dutifully fill in the DNC candidate).
What nonsense, the black vote is coordinated through black churches. They maintain a close relationship with the DNC. The scale of fraud required to manufacture the black vote is so massive that it doesn't make sense for the system to even bother employing the 47 dimensional Hungry Hungry Hippos scheme of astroturfing Kanye. They could just add votes at will, as opposed to small bits in close elections.
Kanye also appears to be broke.
He was a billionaire before he criticized Jewish power. Now he's broke. Hmm...
I would flip the script on his overall take. It's not that Kanye is being astroturfed. He is being torpedoed. Grfiters latched onto him to gatekeep him and anyone who would follow these developments from genuine radicals.
This Bronze Age Revival thing is interesting. How long has he been pontificating? and WTF is "Telegram"? I'll have to investigate this. My boomer brain is slow to pick up on the latest communications media, I guess.
Once again, I learn something new from you gaggle of insane right-wingers!
You can read that if you really wanna know what BAP is all about. He's something like a Nietzschean body-builder neo-pagan who talks a lot about politics, history, and philosophy. I find him funny and insightful.
Telegram is where the majority of twitter banned folks flocked to, as I think the only thing not allowed there is CP.
I don't even know why he even agreed to go to Tim Pool's interview. If he watched couple of his videos, he'd have an idea he should talk like walking around the minefield.
All I gained from that airing is a reminder that Youtube's newish comment section algorithm (2017? there's a tech article somewhere about the ML overhaul) is as obnoxious as the 2007-2014 era. On non-polarizing popular videos, it's one-track cliches and vapid sentiments getting voted up that fail the inverse turing-test. On drama-bait videos it's the most obvious excitable takes from frat rejects that at best have better grammar than the 2007-14 comments. Extroverted NPCs deserve heaps more effectual derision for ruining everything great in the modern era.
In this case watching the chat was more interesting then watching Tim. Actually it was 99/100 fantastic ripping of Tim “Pools closed” and his limited hangout grifting faggotry.
Habit. If I'm decompressing it's on Youtube since there's not enough non-political content on Odysee. Shame that Gab's dissenter plugin didn't go anywhere to give some hope of organic casual commentary.
Sounds like a shit show, Tim is a good introducer of Red pills to the asleep and a few indoctrinated but doesn't have the full skillset needed to host a podcast and handle different guests, like your Joe Rogan can or even Steven Crowder has demonstrated with his change his mind segments just the left avoid his show completely.
Might be better if Tim has someone else moderate/host with guests like Kanye who know how to handle those guests than end up with situations like this.
Tim doesn't really moderate, it's just a place where you're going to have a bouncing discussion. It's really annoying sometimes because his clipped segments are titled on something that may be only 5 minutes of a 15 minute video, and could cover anything.
Steven's actually really bad with oppositional interviews. Mostly because he's constantly prepared to throw slights at people or be straight up disrespectful. Now, that's not entirely him being 'shit at interviews'. He's a comedian. If he doesn't like you, he's going to belittle you to your face, and it's really dangerous to try and go toe-to-toe trading insults with a comedian of any stripe when you aren't one. If it's not a friendly interview, you're basically going to be treated like shit the entire way. The nicest oppositional interview he had was with Marco Rubio, but it went well because Crowder gave him leeway, didn't berate him, and respected the fact that he had hugely helped out Crowder's friends in the cigar industry.
You're thinking of Greg Guttfeld, who is far... far worse.
Crowder isn't necessarily hilarious, but his punditry is valuable. Though, frankly, I'd say his punditry is knock-off, normie tolerable, Raz0rfist. Raz0r's not even a comedian, and he's usually pretty funny.
To be honest, he also does seem to understand Leftist objectives and rhetoric than most people even on the right. He's harped on issues that just aren't getting attention, refuses to back down when he's right on something, and also deeply understands the militant Leftist mindset.
His character: "Skyler Turden" isn't just a representation of a Leftist. It's possibly the single most effective Leftist rhetorician that exists. Compared to Skyler, most Leftists are more ignorant on their own positions, less understanding of right-wing positions, more unaware of the gaps in right-wing perspectives, and are more busy virtue signaling.
The character is 100% dishonest rhetorician. Skyler is always looking for any opportunity to slip a dagger into any ideological or rhetorical crevice into any belief or assertion. Every assertion you make will be maliciously interpreted, every claim you have will be questioned (only if he thinks you might not know an answer), or will be dismissed (if he thinks you do know an answer). The best counter you can do when debating with Skyler Turden is to create a good counter to a false & dishonest claim, then be deflected with a snide comment that hits on a different assertion that Skyler will use to re-enforce another part of his narrative.
The character is effectively a pundit murder-board, or final boss, that basically no Leftist pundit can live up to. That being said, it shows he really understands Leftists and how they basically engage in combat with the right (if they were ever to engage at all), and how even if you win, you still are going to get punched in the face at least a few times.
Crowder also at least has the balls to talk about how there are in fact a bunch of Jewish people persecuting Kanye and that media control discussion shouldn't be shut down. He chastised Dave about it on the show too and undoubtedly Gerald behind the scenes
I mean, hell, I'll point out that people in Hollywood are scum, and that some of those pedophile scum in Hollywood are in fact, jews.
They're using that as a fucking shield to protect them from criticism, and that's the biggest attack that should be made on them. Instead, the shit that Kanye and Fuentes are doing is emphasizing that tool.
I'd argue some of the best interviewers are comedians because of that fact, if you come in trying to score one up on the interviewer to show how great you are, most comedians will annihilate you. But if you go in actually engage in back and forth discussion, you'll get some jokes at your expense but you'll look a lot better after.
I don't disagree. I think comedians can be great interviewers... I just don't think Crowder is fit for it.
I actually think Landau is better as an interviewer. ... if he's prepared. He's much more of the type of interviewer that "gives you rope to hang yourself with", rather than being directly confrontational.
If Kanye is actually being honest about this as it appears on the surface, he should be able to fix himself to interview better / speak better than Alex Jones
I love Kanye, and I wanted to withhold judgement on his campaign, but honestly this looks dead on arrival like everybody predicted.
If you want to talk about Jews and run for president, then you have be prepared for tough interviews. The Tim Pool show is easy mode, it’s going to get a lot harder.
LMAO it wasn't a tough interview, it was Tim self-importantly interrupting people on things we all know are true. Tim sucks. His style sucks. He's a supremely unexceptional person that only has what he has because he sucks jew dick better than most.
Look, I don't really like Tim's style either, but this desperate groyper-apologetics bullshit of "Tim interrupted him! Lol! Tim Blew It! L Tim! Talmud Tim!" is retarded.
Tim didn't even interrupt Kanye. He walked out after Tim said he wasn't using 'they' the same way as Kanye and Fuentes. Which is true, and "they" is a terrible way to discuss anything.
Even if Tim did interrupt him, that’s basically how every interview is going to go when you start talking about that stuff. Nobody wants to get their channel nuked by the ADL.
He needs media training. If he is going to be a public anti-semite, he needs to work with NOI or a white nationalist group (if they are willing). Critiquing Jewish power in public like this is not easy. There are countless tricks and bullshit you have to be prepared to wade through to make your points. It's difficult to do it here in text format let alone in public speaking.
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That's the least concerning part about this criticism.
Kanye is mentally ill and still extremely rich and successful even after losing all his brand deals. He openly thinks "I'm rich and you're not" is a valid argument as to why he is right and you're wrong. He's openly used this argument in interviews I've heard.
I've met a lot of people who actually believe "I'm rich and you're not" is a valid argument, but since they are not mentally ill, they'd never say it out loud, because they know it would immediately alienate everyone and turn everyone against them. Plus, merely by saying something so obviously self-owning, you reveal yourself to be socially unskilled to the point of being autistic, or worse.
I don't watch Kanye interviews in general, but I watched his full episode with Joe Rogan in 2020 when it 1st aired. Even back then he was clearly completely out of his depth. Joe Rogan was super friendly with him and threw him complete softball questions and Kanye still struggled a LOT with them. It was clear to me then that Kanye is surrounded in a bubble of sycophants and doesn't exist in the real world. Everyone just feeds his ego to leech money off of him, and he believes them because he's not mentally stable.
It's like michael jackson all over again, but at least he doesn't fuck with kids.
Watch the razorfist rants about this, there's a lot of evidence he didn't.
The main accuser, his dad called and was leaving messages saying things along the lines of "give us money or we'll cost you your job" and not "you motherfucker, im gunna tear your fucking throat out for touching my kid you sick freak". It was a shakedown.
His lawyers then advised paying which opened up the flood gates.
"they stayed in the same bedroom"
Macaulay Culkin: Yeah "bedroom", its more like a separate area of a 2 story house, it was an entire wing of the mansion, you don't.
I believe Michael was done dirty. Was exonerated on 14+ counts in record time.
I have no doubt that later on some parents tried to cash in and shake him down, but I thought there was some decent evidence with the earlier kids he got caught with.
It's tough to believe you'd pay a liar $23 million. It makes you look super guilty.
It does. And he perhaps shouldn't have in hindsight. But it also (as the argument went at the time) shuts the whole thing up and makes it go away just before going on a major tour. Going through a massive publicized trial instead of this big tour for this crime also makes you look super guilty. Pay the danegeld...
Its also a quirk of asinine california law. For reasons, you have a civil case in these matters, before the criminal one. Which is insane, you have to effectivelly show the prosecution everything you'll be preparing with and giving them extra ammo well before the criminal one. So it can be a far safer bet to settle the civil one, rather than give the state extra ammo. You're jeopardizing your criminal trial by engaging in the civil, which is ass backwards.
in normal circumstances because of the californial system, settling would have been a smart decision, hard as that pill is to swallow.
There is nothing weird about California law in this context. I'm a california lawyer.
The civil and criminal case can happen at the same time, neither waits for the other. Criminal cases move MUCH faster than civil cases as a matter of right since the Defendant can demand speedy trial.
That's not true. The cops can just raid you and take everything they want. Civil discovery is a joke next to that. I routinely have opposing parties blatantly lie to me and say "we don't have those documents" when I ask for evidence that would be helpful to my case, and 90% of the time, the judge lets them get away with it.
If a civil party just wants to tell you to fuck off in civil discovery and is willing to lie, you're fucked. However, in criminal cases, there is no "discovery" from the defendant when the prosecutor wants something, instead, the cops just kick your door in and take everything they want.
Not really, but most of the time the civil waits until after criminal because the civil lawyers want to be able to freeload off the government's search and seizure powers to get all kinds of juicy evidence they'd never be able to get in a civil case.
"Alt-right" larpers love to brand anyone who questions Kanye's version of antisemitism as normies, but Kanye's business and social decision making is dumb-neurotypical as they come.
Actually, Kanye addressed this in the interview. He essentially said that after he got rich, he "stopped aging" because he wasn't allowed to make his own decisions any more and everything was taken care of or decided by handlers. Was one of the few interesting things to come out of the 20 minutes.
When Biden falls asleep and the fake news moderator starts debating on Sniffy's behalf, is Ye going to walk out again?
How about a Ye vs Trump debate? Ye can't bring his uninvited guests to help him out. Will we get to see Trump send Ye walking?
Let's say Ye makes it into the White House. Hey, if Basement Joe can do it, anything's possible. Is Ye going to walk when dealing with Kim, Xi, or Putin?
Tim’s argument about anti semitism was very obtuse and could have been deconstructed easily.
If Kanye had engaged with it.
But he didn't. That's a sign of someone who either doesn't have the thinking skills to debate, or doesn't have the maturity to want to debate.
Are you saying he likes Fish sticks?
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Man those were the days
Maybe (aside from glaring mental issues), he's just reached his limit with all of these people asking the same questions, making the same arguments?
Granted you're right. He should have much thicker skin if he's going to be making the rounds like this because these types of interactions are to be expected. Probably just a personality flaw that can be fixed in due time .... Assuming that there is nothing else holding him back and that this was just all surface level, no deeper agenda/psyop
He has to be prepared to add some nuance or he is never going to deliver a message that resonates with everyone. It's the same problem Tim calls Alex Jones out on, that Alex has reached the top of the mountain and is shouting about all the stuff he sees as if it's plainly obvious to everyone else (when it's not).
Tim is good at being able to put himself into the mental frame of the centrist everyman.
Milo... is just a good monologist, like pre-coma Peterson was.
Not really. In fact, the point of his argument was specificity. If you want to re-construct that argument into a narrative on jews, fine: but you're not "deconstructing" his argument. You actually have to re-construct his argument.
He was playing a charade of delineation. It’s the equivalent of condemning black culture and then getting called racist.
Actual story:
They had an hour together sitting and talking in the preshow. Tim said several times they were going to cover the news first, esp talking about Kanye's 2024 bid, their dinner with Trump etc. During this hour, according to Tim, the jew question never came up.
What I expected was a not-so-controversial main segment (as not to get the show demonetized by YouTube) followed by an extremely spicy members only segment where Kanye could say start the ovens and get the trains started. This was just totally disappointing. I wanted to hear Kanye elaborate on his views and to give many more details about the jewish individuals involved and exactly what they did. Instead Kanye wanted to launch straight into it and then couldn't rationally back up his claims so he stormed out. Pathetic. Acting like a spoiled kid that couldn't come up with a decent argument about why they should be allowed to stay up late. I guess that's what being surrounded by money and 'yes men' gets you.
Everything you said is valid, except he decided to run for president. Something that will make all of that worse by a factor of 10. Something this was one of his first "interviews" for to set the stage for his bid.
Something where its no longer about you, but the people you are begging to put their hope in you to make things better for them and be resilient in the face of all that and more.
If this was just a random interview, you'd be spot on. But its not, this is all supposed to be in service of getting people on his team and he has shown he can't even handle the fucking milquetoast beanie boy when soon he will be getting hit by people whose entire existence is to destroy you in interviews like this.
Honestly, the entire show could have been dedicated to just going over the people who were trying to destroy Kanye West and that would have been more than enough for at least sympathy.
Instead, Luke had to basically explain that by himself.
It would have, and it would have built the entire "Jew" case for him by the end without having to try and address it directly until then. Because the list would have spoken for itself and let everyone have to deal with the elephant in the room of it.
Fuentes and Milo are plenty smart enough to have tried that, which is what makes me even more concerned that the whole thing was a set-up.
If you look at some of the drama around it, it was recently leaked that Milo has years of calling Kanye gay and many other insults showing a low level of respect for him. So its almost certain this is just Milo getting his name back out of obscurity and he is almost certainly going to sell him out soon enough.
Fuentes is enough of an idiot to be in this entirely for the attention without a real plan, unless he is on Milo's team himself.
Part of me wonders if Milo's trying to be a suicide bomber, but it's still possible that the whole thing has no plan.
It just worries me how the alt-right has seemingly just ignored every problem they should have about this by their own standard. It really makes me thing they are a lot more of an explicit 5th column then I thought. I thought they were just kinda Useful Idiots to the Left, but at this point it looks like they are trying to actively harm the entirety of the political right to the benefit of the Left.
Why am I not hearing the same people who argue with me about the holocaust, not saying "This nig, this faggot, and this degenerate don't speak for me." Instead it's, "Lol, Tim's a fucking cuckold!" ... you already hate Tim Pool. He's not even white... I've had to defend Milo for not being a White Nationalist to normies, and WN's normally claim he's a fed who tried to subvert the alt-right movement initially when Richard Spencer was pushing it forwards in 2014 & 2015. To see them turn this whole thing around and call Spencer a Fed, and be completely okay with Milo... something's wrong.
It's not like when Ukraine first started and they weren't sure who's side to root for: Putin (who has Russian National Socialists operating in the army against the Ukrainians, and is an explicit illiberal authoritarian), or Ukraine (who had genuine National Socialists taking the field to defend their territory). It took them months to decide "Okay, since Israel is funding the Ukranian NatSocs, then Putin man good."
This is them siding with things that they should principally oppose. Then again, Leftists don't have principles. It's very odd.
Once you decide to be a public servant, you lose the right to the second one. Especially on the beliefs you openly are running on, in an interview you agreed to.
All this shows (well we already knew honestly) is that Kanye has no interest in using his newfound knowledge or growing fans to better anything with this bid, its all an ego stunt to prop himself up. And the moment his ego isn't getting fluffed, he bails.
Don't forget he was initially threatened because he called out Kushner
Absolutely.
It can be trivially obvious, that there is an internationalist cabal set to destroy Kanye. But the second you put that on a religion, you've crossed a line in discourse. And I think Kanye thinks that he can be the next generation of Louis Farrakhan and yet still have everything else he had before.
And that's just not going to happen.
No, the actual problem is that in the 90's everyone forgot that Louis Farrakhan was a Malcolm X follower (a guy who criticized King for not being violent enough). And then when X jumped ship to actual Islam, Farrakhan almost certainly had him killed.
But then the Democrats win the White House and he puts on the Million Man March and lo, everything is forgotten.
The whole country was duped into thinking Farrakhan was a "civil rights activist", instead of a race war extremist.
keep pretending it's about religion, nobody buys that shit.
Nobody... in your circle.
But the overwhelming majority of normies, if you use the term "jewish", assume you mean a religion.
In the normie zeitgeist, there is no jewish ethnicity. They're just white people who go to different church and don't eat bacon.
lol what an atheist jew?
Your framing is such that I don't even understand what you're saying here.
Linguistically, to the overwhelming majority of normies, there is no ethnicity component to the word "jewish".
Average normie American believes they could call themselves jewish if they were willing to give up pork.
Doesn't matter that the actual jewish disagree with them on that point. In the normie zeitgeist, it's a religion and nothing else, not an ethnicity.
Your attempts to use the word as an ethnicity will always end in misinterpretation because that connotation doesn't exist in the normie lexicon.
Did you see him in lex's podcast?
Yeah.. for a few minutes, 20 tops. I couldn't watch the entire thing. It's the first time I saw Kanye speak for any length of time and I was startled by just how dumb he seemed. He could barely form a coherent sentence that made any sense. It seemed like he wanted to use big words but it was just all so vague. It was boring and slow. And I watch a ton of things most people would consider boring and slow.
How a guy like that becomes a billionaire is anyones guess. I guess his music is/was good? Not sure if he even still makes music.
Kanye stated proudly in a recent conversation (forgot where) that he's never read a book.
That 'splains it Lucy.
Well, Lex is boring and slow. I cannot understand why he's so popular.
Anyway, some very rich people believe they have some sort of super power, not, say, a bit of a gimmick that catches on with the tasteless and dumb masses that dumped millions of $ in their laps. And as others have mentioned here, it comes with sycophant yes-men who praise every idiotic idea that the rich guy comes up with.
His bid for the Presidency is a bad joke, and the fact that some people take it seriously is very troubling.
Whoever had been swatting beanie man is probably kicking itself missing out on this one.
All pool said was "I don't mean they in the same way you mean they, I mean the media"
and that was all it took for Kanye to walk out? lol what a baby.
Because it's pointless to talk with someone who doesn't even admit what's right in front of their face.
If he's not there to be questioned... why would you even go on. Why would you sit for a pre-interview for a fucking hour and still go on. That shit don't make no sense.
The walkout was epic. Ye tired of people playing stupid.
Tim is such a pompous faggot. no one wants to hear Tim talk or hear Tim's opinion. He's a bought-and-paid for worm. Ye was even breaking news on his show and Tim couldn't stop policing him on the things we all know but aren't allowed to speak of.
This is the worst cope I've seen.
I don't get it, why are all the WN's trying to fucking cope for a black man, a gay man, and a catboy fetishist who just made themselves look silly?
All bets are off when living in Clown World.
Not watching cuz I don't want to give beanie boy a view, but does Kanye say anything new?
Ye mentioned a few times that "someone was trying to put him in jail this morning".
He also made allusions to being informed very recently he owes tens of millions of dollars in marketing expenses or back taxes.
Do you think there would be any way Tim would have allowed Kanye to point out the obvious pattern as to who has been blacklisting him from everything?
Coming to the conclusion that "all several hundred of them are jewish so it's the jewish who are out to get me" is not a defensible statement and you know it.
It's a "globalist media cabal" is totally defensible.
We are all still Cromwellian. It's not a "catholic conspiracy" unless the Pope is behind it. Because historically... the Pope usually was.
Well generally its easier to say it's the Jews than it is to say "well, lots of jews, some modern super rich people, intelligence agencies, actual satanists, demons, the RCC upper leaders, and bankers" because people will automatically assume the Jews are what you are leading at. Saves words.
More like, if you're specific, they'll just accuse you of anti-Semitism anyway.
No, people like YOU will assume.
You're not normal.
You are right there. Fortunately, normal in this world is evil, so I think I get a good bargain.
-BAP
Ignore the Kanye-Catboy distraction. Counter-signaling will be used as justification for doxxing by the catboys, so stay away.
BAP is a jewish homosexual and a zionist, educated at the knee of an infiltrating ultra-zionist worm.
BAP has 99 problems, but a Thomas777 endorsement ain't one.
Who is this that you are referring to?
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Yeah, honestly.
I'm actually really concerned about the "alt-right" as a structure at this point. I've long said that they are Leftists, and I've long said that the progressives need them... but this shit is starting to become a full sized fifth-column for the Left. If Milo is trying to do a political suicide-bombing on Trump using Kanye as fuel. I think bitches just gotta get purged.
You can't just try to kill the entire populist movement because of your own grievances. The fact that WN's are trying to attach themselves to a movement led by a black man and a gay man makes me think that they aren't only unprincipled like the Left, but they may be entirely in it on the Left's behalf if it means some small modicum of money or attention. They might actually be the most dangerous Useful Idiots of all. They're acting like the World Economic Bund.
On what point here exactly is BAP wrong?
Is there a link to what BAP said? I don't even get what he means by causing infighting or splitting the online right.
I definitely see what you mean. BAP is latching onto Milo and Fuentes grifting proclivities to allege that all "facefags" are grifters. An online only political movement can't do anything beyond possibly drumming up support for whatever turd nuggets the GOP allows you to vote for. While this guy was shouting into the void, the "facefags" in the NJP helped bring a killer to justice.
What nonsense, the black vote is coordinated through black churches. They maintain a close relationship with the DNC. The scale of fraud required to manufacture the black vote is so massive that it doesn't make sense for the system to even bother employing the 47 dimensional Hungry Hungry Hippos scheme of astroturfing Kanye. They could just add votes at will, as opposed to small bits in close elections.
He was a billionaire before he criticized Jewish power. Now he's broke. Hmm...
I would flip the script on his overall take. It's not that Kanye is being astroturfed. He is being torpedoed. Grfiters latched onto him to gatekeep him and anyone who would follow these developments from genuine radicals.
This Bronze Age Revival thing is interesting. How long has he been pontificating? and WTF is "Telegram"? I'll have to investigate this. My boomer brain is slow to pick up on the latest communications media, I guess.
Once again, I learn something new from you gaggle of insane right-wingers!
https://www.amazon.com/Bronze-Age-Mindset-Pervert-ebook/dp/B07DJQ89TD
You can read that if you really wanna know what BAP is all about. He's something like a Nietzschean body-builder neo-pagan who talks a lot about politics, history, and philosophy. I find him funny and insightful.
Telegram is where the majority of twitter banned folks flocked to, as I think the only thing not allowed there is CP.
Holy Moly! Narrator speak like Hollywood idea of caveman. So far very funny. Ha-ha and strange funny.
Much obliged, stranger.
I don't even know why he even agreed to go to Tim Pool's interview. If he watched couple of his videos, he'd have an idea he should talk like walking around the minefield.
All I gained from that airing is a reminder that Youtube's newish comment section algorithm (2017? there's a tech article somewhere about the ML overhaul) is as obnoxious as the 2007-2014 era. On non-polarizing popular videos, it's one-track cliches and vapid sentiments getting voted up that fail the inverse turing-test. On drama-bait videos it's the most obvious excitable takes from frat rejects that at best have better grammar than the 2007-14 comments. Extroverted NPCs deserve heaps more effectual derision for ruining everything great in the modern era.
That's not always true, i.e. the Santa Inc trailer, while it lasted.
In this case watching the chat was more interesting then watching Tim. Actually it was 99/100 fantastic ripping of Tim “Pools closed” and his limited hangout grifting faggotry.
Habit. If I'm decompressing it's on Youtube since there's not enough non-political content on Odysee. Shame that Gab's dissenter plugin didn't go anywhere to give some hope of organic casual commentary.
lol cucks here really defending Tim pool lmao
Sounds like a shit show, Tim is a good introducer of Red pills to the asleep and a few indoctrinated but doesn't have the full skillset needed to host a podcast and handle different guests, like your Joe Rogan can or even Steven Crowder has demonstrated with his change his mind segments just the left avoid his show completely.
Might be better if Tim has someone else moderate/host with guests like Kanye who know how to handle those guests than end up with situations like this.
Tim doesn't really moderate, it's just a place where you're going to have a bouncing discussion. It's really annoying sometimes because his clipped segments are titled on something that may be only 5 minutes of a 15 minute video, and could cover anything.
Steven's actually really bad with oppositional interviews. Mostly because he's constantly prepared to throw slights at people or be straight up disrespectful. Now, that's not entirely him being 'shit at interviews'. He's a comedian. If he doesn't like you, he's going to belittle you to your face, and it's really dangerous to try and go toe-to-toe trading insults with a comedian of any stripe when you aren't one. If it's not a friendly interview, you're basically going to be treated like shit the entire way. The nicest oppositional interview he had was with Marco Rubio, but it went well because Crowder gave him leeway, didn't berate him, and respected the fact that he had hugely helped out Crowder's friends in the cigar industry.
Crowder is a grating, hyperactive shitty conservative comic who I suppose does us a service by ridiculing dumb leftists.
You're thinking of Greg Guttfeld, who is far... far worse.
Crowder isn't necessarily hilarious, but his punditry is valuable. Though, frankly, I'd say his punditry is knock-off, normie tolerable, Raz0rfist. Raz0r's not even a comedian, and he's usually pretty funny.
To be honest, he also does seem to understand Leftist objectives and rhetoric than most people even on the right. He's harped on issues that just aren't getting attention, refuses to back down when he's right on something, and also deeply understands the militant Leftist mindset.
His character: "Skyler Turden" isn't just a representation of a Leftist. It's possibly the single most effective Leftist rhetorician that exists. Compared to Skyler, most Leftists are more ignorant on their own positions, less understanding of right-wing positions, more unaware of the gaps in right-wing perspectives, and are more busy virtue signaling.
The character is 100% dishonest rhetorician. Skyler is always looking for any opportunity to slip a dagger into any ideological or rhetorical crevice into any belief or assertion. Every assertion you make will be maliciously interpreted, every claim you have will be questioned (only if he thinks you might not know an answer), or will be dismissed (if he thinks you do know an answer). The best counter you can do when debating with Skyler Turden is to create a good counter to a false & dishonest claim, then be deflected with a snide comment that hits on a different assertion that Skyler will use to re-enforce another part of his narrative.
The character is effectively a pundit murder-board, or final boss, that basically no Leftist pundit can live up to. That being said, it shows he really understands Leftists and how they basically engage in combat with the right (if they were ever to engage at all), and how even if you win, you still are going to get punched in the face at least a few times.
Crowder also at least has the balls to talk about how there are in fact a bunch of Jewish people persecuting Kanye and that media control discussion shouldn't be shut down. He chastised Dave about it on the show too and undoubtedly Gerald behind the scenes
I mean, hell, I'll point out that people in Hollywood are scum, and that some of those pedophile scum in Hollywood are in fact, jews.
They're using that as a fucking shield to protect them from criticism, and that's the biggest attack that should be made on them. Instead, the shit that Kanye and Fuentes are doing is emphasizing that tool.
Well . . . this is the first I've hard of "Skyler Turden." I'll give it a glim and get back to you.
I'd argue some of the best interviewers are comedians because of that fact, if you come in trying to score one up on the interviewer to show how great you are, most comedians will annihilate you. But if you go in actually engage in back and forth discussion, you'll get some jokes at your expense but you'll look a lot better after.
I don't disagree. I think comedians can be great interviewers... I just don't think Crowder is fit for it.
I actually think Landau is better as an interviewer. ... if he's prepared. He's much more of the type of interviewer that "gives you rope to hang yourself with", rather than being directly confrontational.
Video excerpt there is good, but I want to see the next minute of conversation, I think. To play, get Lbry.
Kanye was too thin skinned though. I'm surprised Nick left and should have come back.
If Kanye is actually being honest about this as it appears on the surface, he should be able to fix himself to interview better / speak better than Alex Jones
I agree with that hot blonde chick that tim has been hiding. (Greedy son of a bitch that he is)
I was actually really interested to know Ye's presidential platform and the dinner with trump. How milo is a part of this etc
His contentions elsewhere make his platform very important to know about. It's inextricably connected, but instead he walked out.
Hilarious but disappointing. Like when a clown interrupts sex