Almost certainly not a hate crime (he was attacked, after all), but unfortunately, I'm positive that he will be charged with a crime - prosecutors will claim that the attacker was no longer an imminent threat.
If he had pulled while still on the ground he may have a better chance but walking out the door and turning back is going to get him charged with something
Almost certainly not a hate crime (he was attacked, after all), but unfortunately, I'm positive that he will be charged with a crime - prosecutors will claim that the attacker was no longer an imminent threat.
Yes, he cannot claim self defense. Revenge killings are not legal. So this would be considered second degree murder, or maybe voluntary manslaughter depending on the jurisdiction.
And he will very likely be charged. I would demand a speedy jury trial and base my defense on trying to hang the jury. You only need 1 based juror who is willing to refuse to convict.
If I were on the jury I wouldn't say he was guilty. He was well within his rights to blow that motherfucker away.
However, jury trials can almost always be overruled by the judge. Or the judge can replace a juror for "reasons". A white guy shoots a black guy in Chicago.......they're going to pull out all the stops.
However, jury trials can almost always be overruled by the judge. Or the judge can replace a juror for "reasons".
As a lawyer, not really. A judge can "instruct" you, but if you choose to disobey that instruction there is nothing the judge can do. There are no directed verdicts in criminal trials.
not a lawyer, but i do read a bit. nice they put the laws online for folks to read at least the state ones do not tried to find federal ones, but a judge can also not punish a jury for their vote this is how concepts like jury nullification work and exisit a feature that i think needs used more these day's.
Sure he can. "I was confused and in terror, blood pounding in my head, I thought he was going to kill me if I turned my back on him again."
Probably won't convince a leftist judje or jury though.
Anyway, he took out a violent criminal who had for passtime a "game" of beating people in the head, possibly maiming or killing them. Part and parcel of diversity.
Lawyers never want to get you a speedy trial. I dunno of it's because they get paid more or if it's some kind of tactic. But they always want to waive the right.
It is rarely a good idea because delay usually benefits the defense, but in a case like this forcing speedy trial puts the prosecution in a poor position and doesn't give them the time to dig up dirt.
I wish I could get a speedy trial. The government has taken about 2 years failing to prosecute me for something now. I'd just as well get it behind me, especially since I'm fairly certain they have no case. They just literally do nothing. No continuance, no process whatsoever. Just fire-and-forget charging.
incidentally, this means there are a lot of dangerous criminals in the same boat.
I know my lawyer waived the right to a speedy - something before I even got a chance to talk to him. IDK if it was speedy trial or something else. Because when you're in jail you don't get a chance to talk to your lawyer. You'd think you would. But not in this jail. I coulda argued I suppose, but it was important to get out of jail so I could take care of my shit. It was a bondable offense, but if they had some how managed to get a judge to approve no bail (which they tried in a baffling and rare attempt at law enforcement) I'd have never gotten out.
Basically the county I was in jail in is known locally and possibly nationwide for their incompetence and corruption. Nothing is really surprising when it comes to them.
And then he said he can't do anything to progress the case. I have thought about getting a new lawyer, but nothing bad is currently happening to me so it hasn't been a huge priority.
If he had then kept his mouth shut and just gone about the rest of his life, he might never have been found.
Best line in the whole piece. Everyone needs to read this.
Cops don't care about dead scumbags. They really don't. They aren't going to pull out the CSI crime team for a stone cold whodunnit. They want the easy clears.
If the prosecutors tear apart his house and find a single confederate flag or Pepe, then you'd be right, but if they find he is a good little leftist, then maybe he has a chance.
An attack to the neck or back of the head can cause brain damage or death, and should be treated as an attempt to kill. Atop this, after one such hit, your mental and physical faculties will be inhibited, hence the name "knockout game" which is one of the intended results: Injuring someone to the point of helplessness at which point you can freely cause them further harm, meaning the victim's ability to flee or avoid further harm is severely hampered. Obviously this defender needs to be arrested and tried, due process, but in a just world, his actions can be considered self-defense and successfully defended as such.
Not self-defense; the threat was over by that point. Unless the jury is just incredibly based, this seems like a pretty damn strong case against the shooter.
You're correct though, the initial attack should absolutely be treated as an attempt to kill. But if it fails and the parties disengage, it's no longer an active threat. Now, if the attacker had charged the shooter afterward...completely justified shoot.
As is, this looks to me like vigilantism or revenge. Now, you can say there's a place for that, and the attacker was certainly fucking scum, but I don't think this was self defense.
On the one hand, there was no longer any threat to legally justify self defense.
But, despite a number of twitter users saying "well, what if there was a reason for the punch?" (including one nutjob saying "well, what if the black shirt guy raped the white shirt guy's daughter?!"), coming up behind someone and bashing him in the head is not justifiable either. And we all know there is minimal chance that the cops would have gone after the puncher (unless they could frame it as a racial thing)
You see, this why starting a race war against white people is a bad idea, they are prone to use 'tools' more than rely on brute strength
Why punch someone when you can use a gun and not be in any harm whatsoever, same philosophy as why storm a fort when you can just use a cannon so there's no fort anymore.
Nignog dindu deserved it. What he did was attempted murder and he got what he fucking deserved. I have less than 0 empathy for people who randomly punch other people in the head/neck for their sick fun. Also, is the guy he punched a white guy or Asian? Could be both, both prime targets for dindus.
Been expecting something like this to happen. Still waiting for some nice folks trying to rob an Asian elderly lady only to realize it's an ambush and get romper stompered.
This is technically murder in just about every jurisdiction, but if I was on the jury, I would refuse to convict and either hang the jury or get him an acquittal.
"After getting attacked I felt that my life was in danger and I attempged to retreat. My attacker advanced on me and I saw him grab for a weapon, so I reacted."
Yup, legally from that video there's no chance of proving self defense. His only hope is a jury that refuses to convict and the odds of that are very low in These Modern Times.
The jogga got exactly what he fucking deserved though.
Idgaf. Him going to jail is bullshit, because the dindu learned the only way any of them ever do. By getting shot.
As far as I'm concerned at this point, there could be people going in and shooting all the dindu gang members, joggers, etc and I wouldn't give a fuck. They're a problem, and it needs to be solved, one way or another.
That's my take too. The only potential defense I could think of would be to claim the blow addled the shooter, and he wasn't tracking well, and felt in the moment there was still a threat. That's still a hard sell though, I'd imagine.
you can find videos of people in confrontations with niggers try to deescalate and walk away, only to get clocked in the back of the head similar to how the initial attack in this one went. It's not entirely unreasonable to think he was still a threat at that range.
What if in a situation like that, you tell the person you are going to place them under citizen's arrest for assault and battery? And then when they try to fight back you yell "Stop resisting!" and shoot them?
Play stupid games win stupid prizes. I remember being mad this wasn’t taken very seriously by the media. And this is what it leads to. I better not hear that he was a good boy
the shooter actually did the thug a favor. there are worse places that he could have been shot, like the spine, paralisis from gunshot down. or in the brain, not all shots there are fatal. if the aim is good and the shot is low volicty it can just scrape the top and not kill them immedatly leaving them a vegtable or just drooling in a corner watching vegitales this game wont stop until more players start drawing back nubs since law enforcement is toothless against em kudos to the shooter this person was clearly unhinged and likely to attack someone else or even follow them and attack again.
Watch him get charged with a hate crime
Not letting a Kang enrich you is a capital offense these days.
Almost certainly not a hate crime (he was attacked, after all), but unfortunately, I'm positive that he will be charged with a crime - prosecutors will claim that the attacker was no longer an imminent threat.
If he had pulled while still on the ground he may have a better chance but walking out the door and turning back is going to get him charged with something
Yeah. That's the iffy part. It was over. Unless there is something the camera didn't catch.
It's Chicago, that is a given. He will be charged and the key thrown away.
Yes, he cannot claim self defense. Revenge killings are not legal. So this would be considered second degree murder, or maybe voluntary manslaughter depending on the jurisdiction.
And he will very likely be charged. I would demand a speedy jury trial and base my defense on trying to hang the jury. You only need 1 based juror who is willing to refuse to convict.
If I were on the jury I wouldn't say he was guilty. He was well within his rights to blow that motherfucker away.
However, jury trials can almost always be overruled by the judge. Or the judge can replace a juror for "reasons". A white guy shoots a black guy in Chicago.......they're going to pull out all the stops.
As a lawyer, not really. A judge can "instruct" you, but if you choose to disobey that instruction there is nothing the judge can do. There are no directed verdicts in criminal trials.
not a lawyer, but i do read a bit. nice they put the laws online for folks to read at least the state ones do not tried to find federal ones, but a judge can also not punish a jury for their vote this is how concepts like jury nullification work and exisit a feature that i think needs used more these day's.
A judge can only overrule a guilty verdict in a jury trial. Not a not guilty verdict.
Sure he can. "I was confused and in terror, blood pounding in my head, I thought he was going to kill me if I turned my back on him again."
Probably won't convince a leftist judje or jury though.
Anyway, he took out a violent criminal who had for passtime a "game" of beating people in the head, possibly maiming or killing them. Part and parcel of diversity.
Lawyers never want to get you a speedy trial. I dunno of it's because they get paid more or if it's some kind of tactic. But they always want to waive the right.
It is rarely a good idea because delay usually benefits the defense, but in a case like this forcing speedy trial puts the prosecution in a poor position and doesn't give them the time to dig up dirt.
I wish I could get a speedy trial. The government has taken about 2 years failing to prosecute me for something now. I'd just as well get it behind me, especially since I'm fairly certain they have no case. They just literally do nothing. No continuance, no process whatsoever. Just fire-and-forget charging.
incidentally, this means there are a lot of dangerous criminals in the same boat.
That's weird, in California you can demand trial within 60 days.
I know my lawyer waived the right to a speedy - something before I even got a chance to talk to him. IDK if it was speedy trial or something else. Because when you're in jail you don't get a chance to talk to your lawyer. You'd think you would. But not in this jail. I coulda argued I suppose, but it was important to get out of jail so I could take care of my shit. It was a bondable offense, but if they had some how managed to get a judge to approve no bail (which they tried in a baffling and rare attempt at law enforcement) I'd have never gotten out.
Basically the county I was in jail in is known locally and possibly nationwide for their incompetence and corruption. Nothing is really surprising when it comes to them.
And then he said he can't do anything to progress the case. I have thought about getting a new lawyer, but nothing bad is currently happening to me so it hasn't been a huge priority.
What I immediately thought about: https://archive.ph/DSnEm
The language and capitalization being used here is what you can expect in the current year. Here's a very different take lol: https://archive.ph/qqKDO
Best line in the whole piece. Everyone needs to read this.
Cops don't care about dead scumbags. They really don't. They aren't going to pull out the CSI crime team for a stone cold whodunnit. They want the easy clears.
Worth it.
Fucker got what he deserved. Shame the shooter will be doing life for this.
If the prosecutors tear apart his house and find a single confederate flag or Pepe, then you'd be right, but if they find he is a good little leftist, then maybe he has a chance.
Dekachin, I...
Some leftists are pro-2A, it's just a much smaller number than on the Right.
Then they aren't good boys.
An attack to the neck or back of the head can cause brain damage or death, and should be treated as an attempt to kill. Atop this, after one such hit, your mental and physical faculties will be inhibited, hence the name "knockout game" which is one of the intended results: Injuring someone to the point of helplessness at which point you can freely cause them further harm, meaning the victim's ability to flee or avoid further harm is severely hampered. Obviously this defender needs to be arrested and tried, due process, but in a just world, his actions can be considered self-defense and successfully defended as such.
Not self-defense; the threat was over by that point. Unless the jury is just incredibly based, this seems like a pretty damn strong case against the shooter.
You're correct though, the initial attack should absolutely be treated as an attempt to kill. But if it fails and the parties disengage, it's no longer an active threat. Now, if the attacker had charged the shooter afterward...completely justified shoot.
As is, this looks to me like vigilantism or revenge. Now, you can say there's a place for that, and the attacker was certainly fucking scum, but I don't think this was self defense.
I think if someone tries to kill you, and in your literal head-damage induced stupor you ventilate a nigger, that's self defense.
This is where I come down on this.
On the one hand, there was no longer any threat to legally justify self defense.
But, despite a number of twitter users saying "well, what if there was a reason for the punch?" (including one nutjob saying "well, what if the black shirt guy raped the white shirt guy's daughter?!"), coming up behind someone and bashing him in the head is not justifiable either. And we all know there is minimal chance that the cops would have gone after the puncher (unless they could frame it as a racial thing)
You only need 1 based juror. Juries have been sick of joggers before:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_New_York_City_Subway_shooting
If the jury nullifies is (unlikely) that could put a stop to the knock out game
You see, this why starting a race war against white people is a bad idea, they are prone to use 'tools' more than rely on brute strength
Why punch someone when you can use a gun and not be in any harm whatsoever, same philosophy as why storm a fort when you can just use a cannon so there's no fort anymore.
The damn racists! Why won't they just let us knock 'em out and rape 'em without resorting to such unfair means?
This is why I hate where society is going, because non-leftist blacks like me will have no place to go...
Both should learn a lesson.
Item one is gonna be difficult because of item 10 on Darbyshire's talk list.
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Fucking 😂
Thanks, I needed that pick-me-up today!
This is what jury nullification is for
Nignog dindu deserved it. What he did was attempted murder and he got what he fucking deserved. I have less than 0 empathy for people who randomly punch other people in the head/neck for their sick fun. Also, is the guy he punched a white guy or Asian? Could be both, both prime targets for dindus.
Been expecting something like this to happen. Still waiting for some nice folks trying to rob an Asian elderly lady only to realize it's an ambush and get romper stompered.
I never knew I wanted something like that until just now.
This is technically murder in just about every jurisdiction, but if I was on the jury, I would refuse to convict and either hang the jury or get him an acquittal.
"After getting attacked I felt that my life was in danger and I attempged to retreat. My attacker advanced on me and I saw him grab for a weapon, so I reacted."
I admit that was very satisfying to watch. Sometimes you fuck with a bull and get the horn.
But I doubt this will discourage any of our black brothers in Chicago from cold-cocking strangers.
A few dozen more of them bleeding out from their newly installed front holes might put a stop to it.
Yup, legally from that video there's no chance of proving self defense. His only hope is a jury that refuses to convict and the odds of that are very low in These Modern Times.
The jogga got exactly what he fucking deserved though.
I'd definitely carry a gun if I lived in the USA. You never know.
You should carry a gun wherever you live because even if your crime rate is only 1% you never know what day that 1% will involve you.
Unless that blow to the back of the head was fatal.
That wasn't legal self defense at that point.
I have zero sympathy for the shootee. He got what he deserved, but the shooter is going to jail.
Idgaf. Him going to jail is bullshit, because the dindu learned the only way any of them ever do. By getting shot.
As far as I'm concerned at this point, there could be people going in and shooting all the dindu gang members, joggers, etc and I wouldn't give a fuck. They're a problem, and it needs to be solved, one way or another.
That's my take too. The only potential defense I could think of would be to claim the blow addled the shooter, and he wasn't tracking well, and felt in the moment there was still a threat. That's still a hard sell though, I'd imagine.
you can find videos of people in confrontations with niggers try to deescalate and walk away, only to get clocked in the back of the head similar to how the initial attack in this one went. It's not entirely unreasonable to think he was still a threat at that range.
What if in a situation like that, you tell the person you are going to place them under citizen's arrest for assault and battery? And then when they try to fight back you yell "Stop resisting!" and shoot them?
I mean it works for police.
The defense has their work cut out for them.
Play stupid games win stupid prizes. I remember being mad this wasn’t taken very seriously by the media. And this is what it leads to. I better not hear that he was a good boy
Fuck around and found out.
Guy took that punch pretty well. There was also some interference from another guy. Rival gangs maybe?
In any case, best bet would be to stonewall the cops and leave the state. Not going to be any nationwide manhunts over this.
Based
the shooter actually did the thug a favor. there are worse places that he could have been shot, like the spine, paralisis from gunshot down. or in the brain, not all shots there are fatal. if the aim is good and the shot is low volicty it can just scrape the top and not kill them immedatly leaving them a vegtable or just drooling in a corner watching vegitales this game wont stop until more players start drawing back nubs since law enforcement is toothless against em kudos to the shooter this person was clearly unhinged and likely to attack someone else or even follow them and attack again.
Looks like he won his prize.
RIP Colin Flaherty
Do we know the shooter got apprehended? Don't hundreds of shootings in Chicago go uncharged every year, even on camera?
The fucking woman at the end pulling out her phone to record the man dying instead of calling 911.
Link?
This one.
Holy hell. That thief definitely got his comeuppance.