The only reason people "grow out of it" is because they get off the straight IV of propaganda that is academia. That problem has been more or less solved by social media which enables them to keep mainlining all day every day.
That and they have reached middle and upper middle management now. They captured HR and have acted like a filter for many orgs.
It even started a few years ago at the trucking company my wife works at, but she managed to stomp it out as she was the employment lawyer and had ultimate power over their policies.
But the pro-vaccine GC had a come to Jesus moment Monday when the head of operations told the C-level that if this mandate goes through and applies to contractors as well the company loses 70% of its driver. CFO then calmly states if that happens they are out of business in weeks. This is a billion dollar company.
The elites have already gone rogue for decades. We have seen decades of the elites stripping employees of their dignity with lower wages and less benefits as the elites have raised eliminated jobs that earn decent wages (without the need of college degrees), replacing them with minimum wage service sector jobs.
If we fail to see how the elites have created an environment where communist indoctrination is so easy, then we will be doomed to repeat it.
That is a description of the normal managerial elite that have had total dominance since FDR. Rogue elites who have incentives to act against the current regime don't exist much outside of the fever dreams of Qtards.
I work in healthcare and asked my CMO about our response today, especially since last year the mostly black nurses at one of our primary locations refused to get vaccines. Basically we're going to wait and see, since we can't really survive nurses quitting en masse but we also can't survive having Medicare payments withheld.
This is where the real battle will be fought, since if you aren't taking federal dollars or dependent on subsidies you can tell the Feds to fuck off. Biden's lever to pull is through denial of money and abuse of power through IRS investigations and similar tactics. The real hope here is that multiple Democrats are being told their districts will flip to Republicans in 2022 by various unions if this mandate is actually enforced.
I may have some personal experience with a full blow leftist.
My older brother is unfortunately one of them. He is unhappy in his marriage, his health and his job and blames society for all of that. His dream society would be one were he can stay and read all day, not have to work, his wife doing everything. For some reason he thinks that communism and woke ideology would solve every one of his problem.
He somehow believes that under communism he does not have to work, despite the fact that under communism everyone worked. He also believes that he must be "on the gender spectrum" so he does not have to work towards a masculine ideal and be an actual husband and an actual father.
What he hates is people proving him wrong, people who work hard, workout, strive to be good husbands and fathers and are happy about it. So he likes any ideology that would hurt the average guy.
This wasn't directed at me, but I'm responding because my experiences seem relevant.
I am a person who has radically diverged from my immediate family both politically and culturally. 8 years ago, I was a very left-wing person. Now, I'm a nationalist and a populist, an anti-feminist, and completely devoid of white guilt.
There were two primary catalysts for this divergence:
my own catastrophic relationship with a predatory BPD girl, leading me to question everything I had ever been taught about social sexual hierarchies
The media going to bat for another BPD girl known as Zoe Quinn, leading me to question every media narrative in existence - past, present, and future
This is the perfect one-two punch for breaking free of indoctrination. A personal trauma shocked me out of the status quo and forced me to seek alternative explanations, and then additional real world events almost immediately confirmed the truth of what I had learned.
Once I saw through one set of lies, I became capable of seeing similar lies everywhere else. This is why the red pill metaphor is so apt. You never turn away from the truth if you came by it honest, through hardship and experience rather than "education".
In the end, it always comes back to education and media. Together, they erect and maintain the mental prison that holds people captive to irrational and evil ideologies. It takes a precipitating event to trigger an awaken from such a coma.
Then you need a place to land. For me, that place has been a moving target, safe for only a few months up to maybe a couple of years before it is inevitably captured or destroyed. We've left a graveyard of forums in our wake at this point. That's the goal of all oppressive systems: to make sure that anyone who manages to unplug will have nowhere safe to go.
Gamergate was the best non-personal thing to ever happen to me. It obviously doesn't hold a candle to my actual, real life milestones, but without GG, I would absolutely still be colorblind, humanist, and frustrated by my lack of understanding of why society doesn't work.
Gamergate was the event that started opening my eyes, which was the start of my second year of college. Unfortunately my beliefs were half-developed from Gamergate (I became anti-feminist, but was still “globalist-leaning”) before another event (that I partially instigated) opened my eyes completely.
Ditto for one and two, with slightly different politics. Still i think your martix metaphore is apt because the system certainly doesnt like 'programs' like ours, willing to speak up and call evils, despite the msm shilling for them in a wholly propogandic way. This whole covid agenda has made me realize just how stupid and incepid most people are whom look to newsmedia for any kind of guidance/
/u/currnet_horror and I don't get along, particularly along ideological lines, but the comparison and contrast may be useful to you.
I used to be "Left Libertarian" a while back, and I've come to realize my own family is damn near Communist.
From a long term perspective, part of my psyche is actually ingrained and abused to take too much responsibility for things that go wrong. My abuse actually taught me to take responsibility for other people's failures. Lo and behold, a woman with BPD was involved in this too.
HMMMMMMMMM
I didn't have a 1-2 punch, for me it was a much slower process. For me, no authority could be trusted because I had been so often been betrayed or predated upon by authority. It got so bad that my defense mechanism wasn't like others who had a technique of "gray rock" or just ditching people; I actually learned how to make my predators run away. Simply put, I promised that instead of burning a bridge that separated us, I'd burn the bridge that we were standing on. Lions don't follow Gazelles into Crocodile infested waters, so let's go swimming!
I'd be left with nothing. No support system at all... but also no predators and distractions. Ironically, I could focus on getting better by putting myself in a theoretically worse situation. I started to actually understand what "worse" really meant. Some things that sound bad, are not as bad as you think when you live through them, and when you do it willingly. That also taught me a bit of long term time preference.
As a result, freedom has always been more important to me than most other things. Horrible freedom is always better than suffocating pleasure. This has worked it's way into my political analysis as well. Every time I saw an established order making critical and dramatic failures (whether it was religion, the military, academia, or the political left) I pulled away. I butted heads. Sometimes I actively subverted the system to the benefit of everyone involved. When you refuse to comply with these failing systems, they sometimes push you out because you're more trouble than you're worth to them (which paralleled my experience with abuse).
The two things that finally deconverted me from the Left (an old Atheism term I'll go over if you want), was a better knowledge of economics, and the recognition that the Social Justice Racket was an industrial scale psychological and emotional abuse system.
I didn't realize it, but I'd believed in Austrian Economics for years before I knew what it was. I understood the concept of "emergent order" in physics, and it reinforces my belief that freedom must be the bedrock of all prosperous systems as it allows for a naturally beneficial order to emerge in the environment without someone at the top trying to install it. Once I understood Austrian Economics as, effectively, just Economics; I realized that order emerging naturally from chaos without coercion is almost always the most beneficial approach to most system. And I mean this in everything from computer programming, to education, to socialization, to natural ecosystems, and so forth.
But the other aspect was the horrifying realization that what I was seeing in the mainstream of every single institution was a form of abuse that I was intimately familiar with. I recognized the emotional abuse tactics. I recognized the predators. I recognized the coping and co-dependency mechanisms, and I was horrified. I was horrified that entire political wings were promoting this. I was horrified that the abuse was funded by international investment banks. I was horrified that academia and culture were pushing it as a moral imperative. I was horrified that social media had gamified the predation of the innocent. I was horrified that billions of dollars in technology and logistics had created a purely evil system. I recognized the similarity to the industrialization of abuse, to what the Holocaust did: the industrialization of murder.
Where me and my family differ is that they never got out of the captivity of these systems. They just became more ruthless, and thereby successful. These systems reward sociopathy. Even though my family butts heads with me politically, they do see me as a bizarrely moral person. As much as they may hate my politics by conditioning, they do instinctively recognize that my morality and principles are sound and important. They actually want me exposed to their kids because they know that they failed at something that I somehow developed: a very strong moral, principled, and virtuous core.
I don't mean to talk myself up as a kind of Jesus or something. The fact that "Good, we'll both die" is a defense strategy I came up with shows that isn't true. But what it shows is that their amorality is so severe, that strong morals of almost any kind are clearly important to them, even if they disagree with my morals.
Where Current_Horror and I fundamentally disagree is that, frankly, he believes in another system that I feel is destined to fail him: ethno-nationalism. To me, he is falling for yet another scam by yet another failed institution, that just happened to be abandoned by the Left in the mid 20th century. To me, he's hoping that there's salvation on this last framework if the right people are in charge. But what I am trying to tell everyone is that there is no salvation. But that's okay, you don't need any. You can actually save yourself.
Our biggest philosophical and mental difference probably lies here:
you need a place to land.
Actually, you don't. In fact, there is no place to land. You have to build a landing place for the future.
We don't have any communities. We don't have a home. These were all destroyed decades ago, many before we were born.
It is our duty as individuals to build those communities. It must be done from scratch. Once we build them, we're not finished. We must then teach our children to do the same, and then they will build their own communities; but this time, they'll have our knowledge in how to do it.
The phrase I've used is: you must build the community that you will be the pillar of.
Once we all do that, we will have a very well built, highly defendable, and mutually supporting structure: a real, no shit, community.
You don't build communities. You build homes, business, and roads to connect them all. The community is an emergent social property from the individual efforts to build those homes, families, and businesses that support each other. A community can't be built by a city planner with a strip mall and some houses next door.
Hopefully, some of us can learn that process in this very forum.
Emergence, as a mathematical concept, can actually be modeled in computer programming. Typically involving AI.
The first example you could use is something like "The Game of Life". The first thing it introduces you to is the idea that highly complex systems can develop from extremely simple rules. You set baseline parameters, and things can grow wildly and in highly unexpected ways, even to the point of a permanent pattern developing.
That can show you that an order can emerge without the strict imposition of all patterns from a programmer ahead of time.
From there, if we try to ask a computer to model a most optimal function through trial and error, and we give it the ability to identify which result was "best" so that it can be carried on to the next series of tests, as time progresses the computer will create a highly efficient model to do what we ask, even if the behavior is totally unexpected and/or wouldn't have been programmed.
This is how most AI Learning works by giving a computer a set of objectives, and trialing them out.
I wish i could reply to the whole post, but its a few points above my iq. I want to add with your family part here-
Where me and my family differ is that they never got out of the captivity of these systems. They just became more ruthless, and thereby successful. These systems reward sociopathy. Even though my family butts heads with me politically, they do see me as a bizarrely moral person. As much as they may hate my politics by conditioning, they do instinctively recognize that my morality and principles are sound and important. They actually want me exposed to their kids because they know that they failed at something that I somehow developed: a very strong moral, principled, and virtuous core.
It may also be that they are deeply narcissistic and manipulative people, and so they've told you want you wanted to hear from them, to keep you around, but are still the deeply rooted and self centered folks they have always been, which has likely always divided you from them at a young age.
And on the part about Current, I do agree, that's where i diverge with him as well. it sounds temping to run into the hands of racial support, but at the end of the day we are a multifaceted nation with many great citizens, none whom are defined by their genetics, (maybe kamala, lol) but there are great americans of every skin color, and only in this nation, could we have such a monumental pact. The seeing every problem as 'race' is WRONG, becasue it is politics (dems citys) and ECONOMICS (poverty fucks up all in its wrath), not race, and the unique american condition allows ALL, not just x y z race to win, to find success and self sacrifice, you cant say that about MOST nations in the world, without being a part of the 'predominant' in-group, whether it be racial, religious, or political. This country allows the TRUE minority to prosper. and thats not of any color of skin, but of value, and our virtues, with it. THAT is something to fight for.
The overwhelming focus on race only serves to divide us more, as a nation. and I fear thats what all of our enemies want (chyna, russia, and the new ones yet to be seen).
We need to work together, and one day achieve racial unity, once there, nothing will stop the best country this world has ever seen.
You need a place to land.
I fully agree with the rest of your insight. I have nothing to add, so I will keep it at that, we should build up these communities, because it will itself lead the way for a better tomorrow/ And I wanna thank you for this post, gizort, because Ive been dealing with some heavy bullshit in the preceeding weeks and through today, and norms death had made it an even shittyier one, one of those few comics i'd always enjoyed, maybe he will end up being one of the best of our time; regardless. Thanks for getting my mind of the assorted tragedies that I wont get into on a gamersub. And it's an excellent post, as usual, Gizort. Keep em comin/
Its those among us who will decide to build up this great nation, that will do so, and what better place to do it, then with the internets most infamous hive of bigots and sexists, and all my gg frens/ Cheers, bois. 🍷🎮 🐸
It may also be that they are deeply narcissistic and manipulative people, and so they've told you want you wanted to hear from them, to keep you around, but are still the deeply rooted and self centered folks they have always been, which has likely always divided you from them at a young age.
I can't give you the details, but we'd both see through that.
We need to work together, and one day achieve racial unity, once there, nothing will stop the best country this world has ever seen.
That's precisely why they have to kill us with subversion. An open war wouldn't work.
I'll give you a similar one. My brother is a nuts leftist too. I will give him a tiny bit of credit, as he does work a good job and has for a long time seems to not be totally atrocious at raising his kids even. Outside of that, he's all about their Covid stuff and the classical leftist koolaid like racism, free stuff, etc.
My dad is about the same politically as me, maybe a tiny bit less "redpilled" than I am but not by much. Mom is what I call a religious democrat, meaning the way I see it she thinks like a leftist in a lot of ways, but would never support them because of gays and abortion. We both grew up with both parents around. I was the antisocial nerd and he was the social butterfly. I really think this personality difference is a huge part of it. My mother would even tell you I was the stubborn think for himself kid, even to a fault at times. He was a gullible people pleaser, also often to a fault.
Take that personality and add in the fact that his wife is a raging leftist and he's kept up with so many immature leftist friends that never grew up he went to school with, and you have the difference.
Not the person you were responding to but my sister and I are different in just about every way. I think there's an element of both nature and nurture to everyone and that my sister and I both landed in different areas of the nature slider. Add that I'm the older sister who felt responsibility to set a good example and make my family proud, where she was the youngest and wanted to be first at something (thus got into things like boys and drugs at a young age) and you get two girls raised virtually the same but ending up very different people. One takes responsibility and the other needs to stand out so she plays the victim. That sort of thing.
where she was the youngest and wanted to be first at something (thus got into things like boys and drugs at a young age) and you get two girls raised virtually the same but ending up very different people
I'm curious how your parents handled that? Discipline goes a long way in course-correcting a child's bad behaviour.
My dad did his best but wasn't very present since he worked overtime and always had side projects (managing apartments, finishing his bachelors degree, flipping houses, etc) When we were young he tried grounding her but he couldn't ground her from school which is where all her friends were. They also lived close by so it was easy for her just to leave wherever he wasn't home and see them anyway. Mom let her get away with everything (unsure if she just didn't care or was letting my sister do what she wasn't able to get away with in her own youth). When we were older he tried to fix it by employing both of us, originally using the honor system, but eventually turning into her only being allowed into the houses if I was also there to supervise, so that turned into her not working for him anymore.
In her senior year we moved away from the town we grew up in to pretty much the country so any attempts for her to get with her old group would be 40mins one way of drive time and gas which neither she nor her friends were willing to do often.
I'm not a G.I.R.L. like you, but there are a lot of paralells with a certain family member of mine - its very interesting seeing the commonalities across genders. We could almost be related. But this is truly a rare post for you, congrats on popping your own 2nd comment cheery, after only a year, roflmao. It's time to participate a smidge more 🎲🎲
It's just one of the idiosyncracies of the .win network.
If you come here through KiA2's own URL, https://kotakuinaction2.win/, and you click a user profile to check a user's posts, you only see posts on KiA2. If you use https://communities.win/c/KotakuInAction2/ and do the same, you see the user's post history on all communities. I'm guessing /uBidenLikesMiners uses the former, so he thought you only two posts total.
I can also answer this: they sat on their asses while people like me had to pay the bills.
It captured communism and socialism perfectly: middle class working hard only to get heavily taxed to pay for deadbeats to remain deadbeats.
I saw it for the microcosm for what it was and made it my mission to work myself out of that situation. Am still in it, but have established a plan to get out.
For some reason he thinks that communism and woke ideology would solve every one of his problem.
Not for some reason. He wants to be a parasite, it's as simple as that. It would be childish if he wasn't a full grown adult, but since he is it's just outright evil.
He also believes that he must be "on the gender spectrum"
What he hates is people proving him wrong, people who work hard, workout, strive to be good husbands and fathers and are happy about it. So he likes any ideology that would hurt the average guy.
There's a real terror there:
The realization that it's all your fault.
You hate everyone who you think did this to you, but that leaves you to be the center of all that hate. If you don't know how to fix it either; you can't help but become shattered psychologically by the fact that all the pain is all your fault and you don't know how to make it stop.
I think that a lot of people would rather die than face that truth. It's too horrible for them to contemplate. It would cause them real physical pain to have to face that. The self-delusions are safer, even if it makes you miserable forever. It's nothing compared to facing your history of failure all at once.
I can say; "hey, we are all Americans here. So we get to share this failure together, even if non of us are directly responsible for it. We hold the receipt."
Generally speaking, that works best at a younger age for males. I used to be a huge smart-ass and didn't know how to judge the line between hurtful and funny. A friend fixed that for me by literally smacking me upside the back of the head whenever I went too far.
I'd say these people fall into two groups: one actually believes it and one who merely regurgitates the woke shit for profit.
The former people are mentally stunted and never grew up. In Germany we have a term for the cause of this "Wohlstandsverwahrlosung" which roughly translates to degeneracy due to affluence. They never had any challenges or hardships growing up which stunted their mental growth.
The latter gain personal profit from wokeness (e.g. women, minorities, alphabet people, thirsty beta orbiters) or they gain financial profit (e.g. people who live off the government teat) so they stick to the party/ideology that promises the most gibs.
I think a large segment of people are somewhere in between, NPCs who merely regurgitate the woke shit and think they believe it because some influencer is pushing it. Probably 80% of people have no principles and stand for nothing. If the cultural tide shifts to "anti-woke", most will claim they were anti-woke all along.
The older I get the more I find myself despising these people more than my ideological enemies. Much as I stand against them I get that on some level me and then guy on the other side of the line are both fighting for something but those people? They just stand at the finish line and cheer whoever wins.
True, maybe they kind of belong to the second group: they follow because it's easier for them to just go along than to have their own opinion they would have to defend. The profit is the path of least resistance.
I've seen a lot of people fall into this category.
Many of the people on social media talking about the SAEs they've encountered from the vaccine fit this group.
A LOT of women complain about getting the vaccine because they were pressured to, and then go on to claim victimhood status because they now have myocarditis. The excuses typically trend toward "I had to get it because of my job", or "I felt pressured to get it, even though my gut was telling me not to."
Most people just go along with something to avoid becoming social outcasts or being ousted from the in-group. So yeah, you're definitely right about majority of people have no principles and standing for nothing.
That's one thing I noticed I hate the most, parasites who claimed to be on our side but now act like they "regret" everything they said "back then". Those people deserve to end up on the streets and unloved. I despise people with no principles.
Germanphoneticscanbesummarizedasiftheyforgotthespacebarexists is a German-inspired English word meaning "German phonetics can be summarized as if they forgot the space bar exists".
Hey neat to see this German term. My wife and I were planning to go to Switzerland next summer, and we've been learning a little German (it's really a tough language). But we like these videos - https://www.youtube.com/c/EasyGerman - where they often have terms and what they basically mean. Neat, fun stuff. Hoping Switzerland works out pending vaccines and all this ridiculousness.
Even if you are fluent in German you won't be able to understand the fucking Swiss when they speak. And it's less than half the country as they speak French in just as much if not more of the country, the south speaks Italian, and the mountain people have their own language.
Culture today celebrates mental illness, experiencing trauma (not OVERCOMING trauma, but experiencing it), and generally weakness/discrimination/lack of success/suffering.
Not to get overly philosophical, but it has many similarities to the case of the Hegelian dialectic. (This is very broad strokes, and very generalized.)
First comes the idea, thesis. Think Western civilization. Think of European and American civilization as largely created by strong, European, men (and of course women too). Think the founding fathers, Daniel Boone, Davy Crockett, and other strong and masculine heroes from the early days of America.
Next comes the reaction, the antithesis. The reaction defines itself in opposition to the thesis. Where the thesis is masculine, stoic, and strong, the anti-thesis is feminine (or anti-masculine), emotional, and delights in physical emotional weakness.
Whatever the thesis is, the antithesis is not.
I do not at all mean to make this as an anti-women argument, or as a pro-white nationalist argument, or anything along those lines. I'm making the point that the forces that are winning the culture war today largely define themselves strictly as the opposite of their enemy. And they define their enemy as white and more generally as whiteness and masculinity.
This is a good analysis. You can see this clearly with TDS. The Left has defined itself as the opposite of Trump, and this has led to bizarre and unprecedented hypocrisy. Whether it's people trash talking big pharma and the CIA for decades or trashing the "Trump vaccine" just last year, those same people have now adopted and fully ego-invested stances that are 180 degrees removed from their own "staunchly held beliefs" of 6-12 months ago.
The problem we're having is pretty simple: Western Civilization was built on a lot of objectively good ideas, and the only antithesis for such ideas is, well, evil. How do you "synthesize" with something that brings nothing good to the table?
And insofar as it's a white or male thing, I think we're simply dealing with a coalition of the dregs. The anti-white delegation and the anti-male delegation are not ideologically aligned, but they can establish a working relationship based on their shared opposition to Western Civilization.
I think I just inadvertently reverse engineered intersectionalism.
It baffles me that anyone over 30 can be in favour of 3rd world immigration.
If you've lived that long, you've lived long enough to see what happens to areas that get filled with 3rd worlders: They become hellholes full of violent crime.
The issue is, they don’t look. They don’t seek information outside their bubble. So while it may have been present, they never saw it. And it’s worse now with media actively suppressing “misinformation”.
I mean, it depends on the type of immigrant. I was born an American citizen but my early childhood was in a third-word country. I got to experience a healthy portion of the immigrant experience. I've also worked in software development, managing large and small teams around the world and would happily bring in many of those people. Shoot, from a purely strategic view, the practice of brain drain from around the world helps to keep the US strong and weaken other countries.
What you should be fighting against is large-scale immigration of unskilled workers. The main purpose of importing that labor force is to keep the prices for unskilled or low-skilled labor low. In recent decades Democrats have also adopted a secondary purpose of building dependency-classes for a permanent voter base, but that aspect can be combatted.
I know a few that are over 70 going on 15. They still have all of the ideals of an adolescent. The world revolves around them. Their point of view is the correct and only point of view. If your point of view is different than theirs it is inherently wrong. Any attempt to discuss points devolves into projection and reflection.
And common denominator among these adult babies is that they have zero introspection. They are all hypocrites. They never have and never will take responsibility for anything and every negative consequence of their actions was someone else's fault.
Disgusting people. They also have this notion that they're still the rebellious "liberal" free-thinking hippies of the '60s-'70s. Now they are nothing but paid-for corporate and government shills. The ultimate symbols of the establishment that they are supposedly against.
The world revolves around them. Their point of view is the correct and only point of view. If your point of view is different than theirs it is inherently wrong. Any attempt to discuss points devolves into projection and reflection.
And common denominator among these adult babies is that they have zero introspection. They are all hypocrites. They never have and never will take responsibility for anything and every negative consequence of their actions was someone else's fault.
Disgusting people. They also have this notion that they're still the rebellious "liberal" free-thinking hippies of the '60s-'70s.
I really noticed it from graduating college in the 90's and going back to law school in the 2000's. Granted we were just getting the internet and e-mail when I graduated from college and facebook existed when I went back.
Nah, you were just older and realized how your classmates hadn’t outgrown seventh grade yet.
They canceled the ACT last year for many schools and my neighbor had to take a math placement test. She’s going to a pretty good school and this shit was an absolute joke (she was doing the test while I was drinking beer with her parents and she was shocked that I could do problems like 5/64 + 3/8 in my head nearly instantly while drunk). I suspect if you saw the substantive side of undergrad today you’d shiver. This country is doomed. Maybe we’re just old and have expectations that are too high.
I call it the "Al Bundy Syndrome". Alternatively: the "Bruce Springsteen Syndrome"
Al Bundy because that was the definition of a dude who reached their peak in Highschool (jesus). Married his High School sweetheart, had a bunch of kids, and talked incessantly about the time he scored 4 touchdowns in the regional championship because that's the best he could ever be. He never really grew up, and his whole family turned into degenerate failures.
Bruce Springsteen because that's basically what all his songs are about. The last desperate gasp of a misspent youth attempting to get away from home... but don't really know where they are going to go, and don't know where they are going, just hoping the road takes them somewhere good. In reality it never does.
There is a fetishization of youth by these people who only live life like they are still 16. What's worse is that they are regressing. They live forever like they are 13 year old girls (even the men). It's an inherently authoritarian nature where either you seek for someone to parent you because your family failed; or you seek to predate upon someone who wants that.
It's not really Peter Pan Syndrome, because Peter Pan seems like he just doesn't want to grow up just yet, but he's almost there. This is far worse. Peter Pan was a 16 year old still wanting to be 12. These are 35 year olds wanting to be 12. The disaster of this is far worse. Al Bundy is a better comparison for the damage... but it actually doesn't go far enough. I don't have a better compassion because JFC we are in uncharted waters for degeneracy, predation, and failed adults.
At least Al Bundy had a family that stayed together & was part of pretty based organizations (heh).
I think Married with Children was more of a social commentary that it wasn’t the 60s anymore but there was still time for Boomers “make it” in the world even while it was changing. Same with Uncle Buck.
One of the funniest things I read about it was that Married with Children was a social commentary on black families. Fox wouldn't broadcast it because it was too spicy for the Bundy's to have been all black, and that degenerate.
It would have been a total reversal of "The Cosby Show", "Family Matters", and "The Jeffersons" which had been on television for a long time. The man who originally proposed the show was also black, and was actually annoyed that all of these SitComs never actually represented what Black Families had actually been like.
I think it shows an interesting cultural class divide between middle-class and lower-class blacks that had emerged after the 60's.
I thought peter pan was an immortal? and tinkerbell was a kid who was sniffed by byeden so she decided to run away? regardless its been way too long since ive seen the movies, so...
It's all societal acceptance. People have a desperate need to be a part of the crowd.
As much as a piece of shit my father was, locking me away so I never got to socialize as a kid has been a massive blessing as an adult in that I don't need the approval of strangers.
I think we all have a lot more in common than we once realized. Fuck people like that, sheep are like lemmings, as soon as rachal madcow says something, they'll jump for it. 2 years of pee pee tape, 3 years of russia collusion, make that lesbian cry on tv and every shitlib will be convinced that hitler was a womanz
Correct. The brainwashing begins in mass media. The “approved” position is heavily reinforced be it through sitcoms, cartoons or talk shows with canned laughter and applause or other signals of group approval.
I think it's more interesting that if you're 35+ and woke you probably believe the exact opposite of what you were raised to believe and probably did believe in your early adult years, even if you were on the left.
My ideal society at 14 would have been something like out of the movie Hackers, but even then that was a world that was hyper-competitive, purely meritocratic, hostile to external and arbitrary/incompetent authority, and unwelcoming to outsiders until they had proven themselves.
I still have most of those aspects of my personality, which very much puts me at odds with "woke" culture, modern corporate culture, and even what has now become my profession's culture.
You have no idea. there are boomers, especially stay at home housewives who do nothing but watch network/cable news and believe everything they are told to the point they regurgitate it verbatim.
I know some older people, whom I can reliably predict what they think about damn near everything because of this. No brains, no critical thinking, no remembering as little as 1 month ago, the current news cycle and that is it, emotional appeals..... its tiring
This. I wish we could outlaw fake news without ruining the first amendment, having these faggotly anchors crying about kids in cages then when bidens in office its something totally different theyll cry about. it should be illegal for how it propogandizes the people. they are certainly rubes of the highest type, but it should no more be allowed to spread lies and cries on MS- social media -M.
Good question. As someone over 35 it’s being able to coast completely oblivious to the brewing issues of the world until 2016, then picking up that something’ wrong, then realizing the gravity of what’s happening, then understanding the true hopelessness of the situation.
So I think many realize what's going on but just want to bury their heads in the sand enjoy the last few years they have left before things get really really bad.
LOL. When my son was born I lived in an Uber leftist utopia (90% Dem). When he was 18 months or so I took him to one of those communal play places that’s basically a daycare but you gotta stay with your kid. Some gal running an art session said “sit down criss cross apple sauce” to wit I said “oh Indian style” and you’d have thought I threw up a Seig Heil by the reaction in the room. Holy shit.
As a former leftist what changed my perspective was moving out and having to support myself. I never bought into the idpol shit because like anyone with a moral core I saw how awful it is even then. But once you have to make rent/mortgage payments and are completely responsible for your own shit government interference in your life doesn't seem so benign anymore. The Democraps' tax and spend schemes make it harder to pay the bills, their hug a thug crime policies turn safe neighborhoods into gang infested hell holes, and then of course they don't want you having a gun to protect yourself from their constituents. Most of these 35+ people you talk about probably still live in mommy's basement. The real world has a habit of disabusing people of their Marxist delusions.
Technology has allowed us to socialize without actually socializing. There’s nothing that forces people to “go somewhere” now. It’s very easy to replace school time with work time with minimal disruption in living arrangements or lifestyle change. Knowing that, I’m surprised this is not more widespread.
I mean obviously real racism and bigotry is bad. It just leads to an unpleasant life for everyone.
The woke movement is different though. It tries to find racism and bigotry in everything. It's a political movement by Democrats to smear people.
the desire of facebook and reddit to censor things they dont like and only show a circle jerk narrative has halped lead to this harrowing of creative thought in a wide crosssection of the populace.
That's what I keep seeing..."the pendulum will swing back". In 2016 I agreed with them as Trump should have been that swing. But instead the left managed to not only hold the pendulum back they broke it and it went flying off a cliff to the left.
Back in 2016 I used to tell people we're on a train heading for a cliff with the bridge out. Trump's going to throw the brakes. It's not going to stop the train the best we can hope for is that it derails it. It won't be pretty, but we know that Hillary would have kept shoveling coal into the engine speeding up as we go over...
That's what I keep seeing..."the pendulum will swing back". In 2016 I agreed with them as Trump should have been that swing. But instead the left managed to not only hold the pendulum back they broke it and it went flying off a cliff to the left.
This so much. Back in 2016 - 2017 I was mostly nonchalant about the pendulum swinging back the other way, but didn't dismiss it. These days it's obvious the pendulum will not swing back the other way, and the only way things will change is sadly through non-peaceful revolution.
It was only a pendulum so long as the baby boom generation directed the economic & and social climate due to its sheer size. So when they changed their minds, so did the course of the nation.
I’ve seen this a lot in optimistic boomer types like your parents. While the negative ones (like minej are just happy to be dead before things get really bad. Either way it’s not their world anymore.
i dont think the 35+ year olds are mostly coomers, im gonna say thats the 16-24 set, there are lots of great games when you ignore the woke era, although the black god in god of war II is pushing it. and im too low iq to understand cave word, but it is quite scary that most people live like that in the modern era/
The only reason people "grow out of it" is because they get off the straight IV of propaganda that is academia. That problem has been more or less solved by social media which enables them to keep mainlining all day every day.
That and they have reached middle and upper middle management now. They captured HR and have acted like a filter for many orgs.
It even started a few years ago at the trucking company my wife works at, but she managed to stomp it out as she was the employment lawyer and had ultimate power over their policies.
But the pro-vaccine GC had a come to Jesus moment Monday when the head of operations told the C-level that if this mandate goes through and applies to contractors as well the company loses 70% of its driver. CFO then calmly states if that happens they are out of business in weeks. This is a billion dollar company.
The vax mandate has created strong incentives for elites to go rogue, thanks Biden.
That is encouraging news, though I'm not going to hold my breath.
It'll be hard to beat the corruption in the above ground economy. Have you heard of the famous painter Hunter Biden?
Spez: But, perhaps that is too small scale. There is this creature spawned on Jekyll Island called the Federal Reserve...
He's a famous french painter, it's pronounced Hoonter Bidét, BIGOT
The elites have already gone rogue for decades. We have seen decades of the elites stripping employees of their dignity with lower wages and less benefits as the elites have raised eliminated jobs that earn decent wages (without the need of college degrees), replacing them with minimum wage service sector jobs. If we fail to see how the elites have created an environment where communist indoctrination is so easy, then we will be doomed to repeat it.
That is a description of the normal managerial elite that have had total dominance since FDR. Rogue elites who have incentives to act against the current regime don't exist much outside of the fever dreams of Qtards.
Wish I could say to one of them "Oh, so I guess the bottom line is suddenly more important than saving lives now?" to make them squirm.
Suddenly when it's their mid 6-figure job with potential 7-figure bonuses on the line...
I work in healthcare and asked my CMO about our response today, especially since last year the mostly black nurses at one of our primary locations refused to get vaccines. Basically we're going to wait and see, since we can't really survive nurses quitting en masse but we also can't survive having Medicare payments withheld.
This is where the real battle will be fought, since if you aren't taking federal dollars or dependent on subsidies you can tell the Feds to fuck off. Biden's lever to pull is through denial of money and abuse of power through IRS investigations and similar tactics. The real hope here is that multiple Democrats are being told their districts will flip to Republicans in 2022 by various unions if this mandate is actually enforced.
I am leaning towards the parents fault, mom's spoiling the kids rotten, dads completely emasculated .
If there's even a dad around.
You mean any media?
I may have some personal experience with a full blow leftist.
He somehow believes that under communism he does not have to work, despite the fact that under communism everyone worked. He also believes that he must be "on the gender spectrum" so he does not have to work towards a masculine ideal and be an actual husband and an actual father.
What he hates is people proving him wrong, people who work hard, workout, strive to be good husbands and fathers and are happy about it. So he likes any ideology that would hurt the average guy.
So how did you turn out differently from your brother?
I am very interested in people who come from the same (or similar) situations, and yet end up on opposite sides of the spectrum.
This wasn't directed at me, but I'm responding because my experiences seem relevant.
I am a person who has radically diverged from my immediate family both politically and culturally. 8 years ago, I was a very left-wing person. Now, I'm a nationalist and a populist, an anti-feminist, and completely devoid of white guilt.
There were two primary catalysts for this divergence:
my own catastrophic relationship with a predatory BPD girl, leading me to question everything I had ever been taught about social sexual hierarchies
The media going to bat for another BPD girl known as Zoe Quinn, leading me to question every media narrative in existence - past, present, and future
This is the perfect one-two punch for breaking free of indoctrination. A personal trauma shocked me out of the status quo and forced me to seek alternative explanations, and then additional real world events almost immediately confirmed the truth of what I had learned.
Once I saw through one set of lies, I became capable of seeing similar lies everywhere else. This is why the red pill metaphor is so apt. You never turn away from the truth if you came by it honest, through hardship and experience rather than "education".
In the end, it always comes back to education and media. Together, they erect and maintain the mental prison that holds people captive to irrational and evil ideologies. It takes a precipitating event to trigger an awaken from such a coma.
Then you need a place to land. For me, that place has been a moving target, safe for only a few months up to maybe a couple of years before it is inevitably captured or destroyed. We've left a graveyard of forums in our wake at this point. That's the goal of all oppressive systems: to make sure that anyone who manages to unplug will have nowhere safe to go.
I apologise for rambling.
Gamergate was the best non-personal thing to ever happen to me. It obviously doesn't hold a candle to my actual, real life milestones, but without GG, I would absolutely still be colorblind, humanist, and frustrated by my lack of understanding of why society doesn't work.
Gamergate was the event that started opening my eyes, which was the start of my second year of college. Unfortunately my beliefs were half-developed from Gamergate (I became anti-feminist, but was still “globalist-leaning”) before another event (that I partially instigated) opened my eyes completely.
interesting, a predatory BPD girl was my initial catalyst as well
Ditto. Based insane sjws perpetuating our own freeing from the MSmatrix.
Same here...damn.
Holy shit, are you me? That's eerily similar to my own journey.
Ditto for one and two, with slightly different politics. Still i think your martix metaphore is apt because the system certainly doesnt like 'programs' like ours, willing to speak up and call evils, despite the msm shilling for them in a wholly propogandic way. This whole covid agenda has made me realize just how stupid and incepid most people are whom look to newsmedia for any kind of guidance/
/u/currnet_horror and I don't get along, particularly along ideological lines, but the comparison and contrast may be useful to you.
I used to be "Left Libertarian" a while back, and I've come to realize my own family is damn near Communist.
From a long term perspective, part of my psyche is actually ingrained and abused to take too much responsibility for things that go wrong. My abuse actually taught me to take responsibility for other people's failures. Lo and behold, a woman with BPD was involved in this too.
HMMMMMMMMM
I didn't have a 1-2 punch, for me it was a much slower process. For me, no authority could be trusted because I had been so often been betrayed or predated upon by authority. It got so bad that my defense mechanism wasn't like others who had a technique of "gray rock" or just ditching people; I actually learned how to make my predators run away. Simply put, I promised that instead of burning a bridge that separated us, I'd burn the bridge that we were standing on. Lions don't follow Gazelles into Crocodile infested waters, so let's go swimming!
I'd be left with nothing. No support system at all... but also no predators and distractions. Ironically, I could focus on getting better by putting myself in a theoretically worse situation. I started to actually understand what "worse" really meant. Some things that sound bad, are not as bad as you think when you live through them, and when you do it willingly. That also taught me a bit of long term time preference.
As a result, freedom has always been more important to me than most other things. Horrible freedom is always better than suffocating pleasure. This has worked it's way into my political analysis as well. Every time I saw an established order making critical and dramatic failures (whether it was religion, the military, academia, or the political left) I pulled away. I butted heads. Sometimes I actively subverted the system to the benefit of everyone involved. When you refuse to comply with these failing systems, they sometimes push you out because you're more trouble than you're worth to them (which paralleled my experience with abuse).
The two things that finally deconverted me from the Left (an old Atheism term I'll go over if you want), was a better knowledge of economics, and the recognition that the Social Justice Racket was an industrial scale psychological and emotional abuse system.
I didn't realize it, but I'd believed in Austrian Economics for years before I knew what it was. I understood the concept of "emergent order" in physics, and it reinforces my belief that freedom must be the bedrock of all prosperous systems as it allows for a naturally beneficial order to emerge in the environment without someone at the top trying to install it. Once I understood Austrian Economics as, effectively, just Economics; I realized that order emerging naturally from chaos without coercion is almost always the most beneficial approach to most system. And I mean this in everything from computer programming, to education, to socialization, to natural ecosystems, and so forth.
But the other aspect was the horrifying realization that what I was seeing in the mainstream of every single institution was a form of abuse that I was intimately familiar with. I recognized the emotional abuse tactics. I recognized the predators. I recognized the coping and co-dependency mechanisms, and I was horrified. I was horrified that entire political wings were promoting this. I was horrified that the abuse was funded by international investment banks. I was horrified that academia and culture were pushing it as a moral imperative. I was horrified that social media had gamified the predation of the innocent. I was horrified that billions of dollars in technology and logistics had created a purely evil system. I recognized the similarity to the industrialization of abuse, to what the Holocaust did: the industrialization of murder.
Where me and my family differ is that they never got out of the captivity of these systems. They just became more ruthless, and thereby successful. These systems reward sociopathy. Even though my family butts heads with me politically, they do see me as a bizarrely moral person. As much as they may hate my politics by conditioning, they do instinctively recognize that my morality and principles are sound and important. They actually want me exposed to their kids because they know that they failed at something that I somehow developed: a very strong moral, principled, and virtuous core.
I don't mean to talk myself up as a kind of Jesus or something. The fact that "Good, we'll both die" is a defense strategy I came up with shows that isn't true. But what it shows is that their amorality is so severe, that strong morals of almost any kind are clearly important to them, even if they disagree with my morals.
Where Current_Horror and I fundamentally disagree is that, frankly, he believes in another system that I feel is destined to fail him: ethno-nationalism. To me, he is falling for yet another scam by yet another failed institution, that just happened to be abandoned by the Left in the mid 20th century. To me, he's hoping that there's salvation on this last framework if the right people are in charge. But what I am trying to tell everyone is that there is no salvation. But that's okay, you don't need any. You can actually save yourself.
Our biggest philosophical and mental difference probably lies here:
Actually, you don't. In fact, there is no place to land. You have to build a landing place for the future.
We don't have any communities. We don't have a home. These were all destroyed decades ago, many before we were born.
It is our duty as individuals to build those communities. It must be done from scratch. Once we build them, we're not finished. We must then teach our children to do the same, and then they will build their own communities; but this time, they'll have our knowledge in how to do it.
The phrase I've used is: you must build the community that you will be the pillar of.
Once we all do that, we will have a very well built, highly defendable, and mutually supporting structure: a real, no shit, community.
You don't build communities. You build homes, business, and roads to connect them all. The community is an emergent social property from the individual efforts to build those homes, families, and businesses that support each other. A community can't be built by a city planner with a strip mall and some houses next door.
Hopefully, some of us can learn that process in this very forum.
Would you kindly elaborate?
Sorry for the late response.
Emergence, as a mathematical concept, can actually be modeled in computer programming. Typically involving AI.
The first example you could use is something like "The Game of Life". The first thing it introduces you to is the idea that highly complex systems can develop from extremely simple rules. You set baseline parameters, and things can grow wildly and in highly unexpected ways, even to the point of a permanent pattern developing.
That can show you that an order can emerge without the strict imposition of all patterns from a programmer ahead of time.
From there, if we try to ask a computer to model a most optimal function through trial and error, and we give it the ability to identify which result was "best" so that it can be carried on to the next series of tests, as time progresses the computer will create a highly efficient model to do what we ask, even if the behavior is totally unexpected and/or wouldn't have been programmed.
This is how most AI Learning works by giving a computer a set of objectives, and trialing them out.
No worries about late response, and thanks for elaborating, now the concept makes much more sense to me.
I wish i could reply to the whole post, but its a few points above my iq. I want to add with your family part here-
It may also be that they are deeply narcissistic and manipulative people, and so they've told you want you wanted to hear from them, to keep you around, but are still the deeply rooted and self centered folks they have always been, which has likely always divided you from them at a young age.
And on the part about Current, I do agree, that's where i diverge with him as well. it sounds temping to run into the hands of racial support, but at the end of the day we are a multifaceted nation with many great citizens, none whom are defined by their genetics, (maybe kamala, lol) but there are great americans of every skin color, and only in this nation, could we have such a monumental pact. The seeing every problem as 'race' is WRONG, becasue it is politics (dems citys) and ECONOMICS (poverty fucks up all in its wrath), not race, and the unique american condition allows ALL, not just x y z race to win, to find success and self sacrifice, you cant say that about MOST nations in the world, without being a part of the 'predominant' in-group, whether it be racial, religious, or political. This country allows the TRUE minority to prosper. and thats not of any color of skin, but of value, and our virtues, with it. THAT is something to fight for.
The overwhelming focus on race only serves to divide us more, as a nation. and I fear thats what all of our enemies want (chyna, russia, and the new ones yet to be seen).
We need to work together, and one day achieve racial unity, once there, nothing will stop the best country this world has ever seen.
I fully agree with the rest of your insight. I have nothing to add, so I will keep it at that, we should build up these communities, because it will itself lead the way for a better tomorrow/ And I wanna thank you for this post, gizort, because Ive been dealing with some heavy bullshit in the preceeding weeks and through today, and norms death had made it an even shittyier one, one of those few comics i'd always enjoyed, maybe he will end up being one of the best of our time; regardless. Thanks for getting my mind of the assorted tragedies that I wont get into on a gamersub. And it's an excellent post, as usual, Gizort. Keep em comin/
Its those among us who will decide to build up this great nation, that will do so, and what better place to do it, then with the internets most infamous hive of bigots and sexists, and all my gg frens/ Cheers, bois. 🍷🎮 🐸
I can't give you the details, but we'd both see through that.
That's precisely why they have to kill us with subversion. An open war wouldn't work.
I'll give you a similar one. My brother is a nuts leftist too. I will give him a tiny bit of credit, as he does work a good job and has for a long time seems to not be totally atrocious at raising his kids even. Outside of that, he's all about their Covid stuff and the classical leftist koolaid like racism, free stuff, etc.
My dad is about the same politically as me, maybe a tiny bit less "redpilled" than I am but not by much. Mom is what I call a religious democrat, meaning the way I see it she thinks like a leftist in a lot of ways, but would never support them because of gays and abortion. We both grew up with both parents around. I was the antisocial nerd and he was the social butterfly. I really think this personality difference is a huge part of it. My mother would even tell you I was the stubborn think for himself kid, even to a fault at times. He was a gullible people pleaser, also often to a fault.
Take that personality and add in the fact that his wife is a raging leftist and he's kept up with so many immature leftist friends that never grew up he went to school with, and you have the difference.
Not the person you were responding to but my sister and I are different in just about every way. I think there's an element of both nature and nurture to everyone and that my sister and I both landed in different areas of the nature slider. Add that I'm the older sister who felt responsibility to set a good example and make my family proud, where she was the youngest and wanted to be first at something (thus got into things like boys and drugs at a young age) and you get two girls raised virtually the same but ending up very different people. One takes responsibility and the other needs to stand out so she plays the victim. That sort of thing.
I'm curious how your parents handled that? Discipline goes a long way in course-correcting a child's bad behaviour.
My dad did his best but wasn't very present since he worked overtime and always had side projects (managing apartments, finishing his bachelors degree, flipping houses, etc) When we were young he tried grounding her but he couldn't ground her from school which is where all her friends were. They also lived close by so it was easy for her just to leave wherever he wasn't home and see them anyway. Mom let her get away with everything (unsure if she just didn't care or was letting my sister do what she wasn't able to get away with in her own youth). When we were older he tried to fix it by employing both of us, originally using the honor system, but eventually turning into her only being allowed into the houses if I was also there to supervise, so that turned into her not working for him anymore.
In her senior year we moved away from the town we grew up in to pretty much the country so any attempts for her to get with her old group would be 40mins one way of drive time and gas which neither she nor her friends were willing to do often.
I'm not a G.I.R.L. like you, but there are a lot of paralells with a certain family member of mine - its very interesting seeing the commonalities across genders. We could almost be related. But this is truly a rare post for you, congrats on popping your own 2nd comment cheery, after only a year, roflmao. It's time to participate a smidge more 🎲🎲
Are you confused? I've only had an account on .win for about 2 weeks and I've commented in other communities...
It's just one of the idiosyncracies of the .win network.
If you come here through KiA2's own URL, https://kotakuinaction2.win/, and you click a user profile to check a user's posts, you only see posts on KiA2. If you use https://communities.win/c/KotakuInAction2/ and do the same, you see the user's post history on all communities. I'm guessing /uBidenLikesMiners uses the former, so he thought you only two posts total.
I can also answer this: they sat on their asses while people like me had to pay the bills.
It captured communism and socialism perfectly: middle class working hard only to get heavily taxed to pay for deadbeats to remain deadbeats.
I saw it for the microcosm for what it was and made it my mission to work myself out of that situation. Am still in it, but have established a plan to get out.
What if, there was NO spoon? Would you have even known it was there, if I hadn't told you? -The inner matrix
Not for some reason. He wants to be a parasite, it's as simple as that. It would be childish if he wasn't a full grown adult, but since he is it's just outright evil.
I rest my case.
Yes that's why I said it was a lie. It's just a whole ball of lies and hypocrisies wrapped around one another.
There's a real terror there:
The realization that it's all your fault.
You hate everyone who you think did this to you, but that leaves you to be the center of all that hate. If you don't know how to fix it either; you can't help but become shattered psychologically by the fact that all the pain is all your fault and you don't know how to make it stop.
I think that a lot of people would rather die than face that truth. It's too horrible for them to contemplate. It would cause them real physical pain to have to face that. The self-delusions are safer, even if it makes you miserable forever. It's nothing compared to facing your history of failure all at once.
I can say; "hey, we are all Americans here. So we get to share this failure together, even if non of us are directly responsible for it. We hold the receipt."
He who does not work, neither shall he eat - Vladimir Lenin.
Talk about the Devil quoting scripture...
"No Ice Cream for you, Comrade"
Communist plot twist!
He who works will still have nothing to eat.
You cannot beat the shit out of some one that is full of it, there would be nothing left.
Okay, I'm failing to see the downside to that.
Generally speaking, that works best at a younger age for males. I used to be a huge smart-ass and didn't know how to judge the line between hurtful and funny. A friend fixed that for me by literally smacking me upside the back of the head whenever I went too far.
Good friends don't care if they hurt your feelings when you are being a jackass. Otherwise, they are not good friends!
I'd say these people fall into two groups: one actually believes it and one who merely regurgitates the woke shit for profit.
The former people are mentally stunted and never grew up. In Germany we have a term for the cause of this "Wohlstandsverwahrlosung" which roughly translates to degeneracy due to affluence. They never had any challenges or hardships growing up which stunted their mental growth.
The latter gain personal profit from wokeness (e.g. women, minorities, alphabet people, thirsty beta orbiters) or they gain financial profit (e.g. people who live off the government teat) so they stick to the party/ideology that promises the most gibs.
I think a large segment of people are somewhere in between, NPCs who merely regurgitate the woke shit and think they believe it because some influencer is pushing it. Probably 80% of people have no principles and stand for nothing. If the cultural tide shifts to "anti-woke", most will claim they were anti-woke all along.
The older I get the more I find myself despising these people more than my ideological enemies. Much as I stand against them I get that on some level me and then guy on the other side of the line are both fighting for something but those people? They just stand at the finish line and cheer whoever wins.
True, maybe they kind of belong to the second group: they follow because it's easier for them to just go along than to have their own opinion they would have to defend. The profit is the path of least resistance.
I've seen a lot of people fall into this category.
Many of the people on social media talking about the SAEs they've encountered from the vaccine fit this group.
A LOT of women complain about getting the vaccine because they were pressured to, and then go on to claim victimhood status because they now have myocarditis. The excuses typically trend toward "I had to get it because of my job", or "I felt pressured to get it, even though my gut was telling me not to."
Most people just go along with something to avoid becoming social outcasts or being ousted from the in-group. So yeah, you're definitely right about majority of people have no principles and standing for nothing.
As stated by Lee Camp
Thats a name i havent heard in a while, does he still do standup?
That's one thing I noticed I hate the most, parasites who claimed to be on our side but now act like they "regret" everything they said "back then". Those people deserve to end up on the streets and unloved. I despise people with no principles.
Of course.
It's always either German or Welsh.
Germanphoneticscanbesummarizedasiftheyforgotthespacebarexists is a German-inspired English word meaning "German phonetics can be summarized as if they forgot the space bar exists".
Germans love shortening things, while stacking the details
Gerrmanicssummarizedspacebarinexistant
Wow, either of those could have applied to marx himself..
I remember a time when "gib" meant 'blown apart".
I like the old term better.
There's some overlap with migrants from a certain religious group.
or a gibbet
Hey neat to see this German term. My wife and I were planning to go to Switzerland next summer, and we've been learning a little German (it's really a tough language). But we like these videos - https://www.youtube.com/c/EasyGerman - where they often have terms and what they basically mean. Neat, fun stuff. Hoping Switzerland works out pending vaccines and all this ridiculousness.
Even if you are fluent in German you won't be able to understand the fucking Swiss when they speak. And it's less than half the country as they speak French in just as much if not more of the country, the south speaks Italian, and the mountain people have their own language.
However, they all speak English...
Ahh English, the true lingua franca.
Culture today celebrates mental illness, experiencing trauma (not OVERCOMING trauma, but experiencing it), and generally weakness/discrimination/lack of success/suffering.
Not to get overly philosophical, but it has many similarities to the case of the Hegelian dialectic. (This is very broad strokes, and very generalized.)
First comes the idea, thesis. Think Western civilization. Think of European and American civilization as largely created by strong, European, men (and of course women too). Think the founding fathers, Daniel Boone, Davy Crockett, and other strong and masculine heroes from the early days of America.
Next comes the reaction, the antithesis. The reaction defines itself in opposition to the thesis. Where the thesis is masculine, stoic, and strong, the anti-thesis is feminine (or anti-masculine), emotional, and delights in physical emotional weakness.
Whatever the thesis is, the antithesis is not.
I do not at all mean to make this as an anti-women argument, or as a pro-white nationalist argument, or anything along those lines. I'm making the point that the forces that are winning the culture war today largely define themselves strictly as the opposite of their enemy. And they define their enemy as white and more generally as whiteness and masculinity.
This is a good analysis. You can see this clearly with TDS. The Left has defined itself as the opposite of Trump, and this has led to bizarre and unprecedented hypocrisy. Whether it's people trash talking big pharma and the CIA for decades or trashing the "Trump vaccine" just last year, those same people have now adopted and fully ego-invested stances that are 180 degrees removed from their own "staunchly held beliefs" of 6-12 months ago.
The problem we're having is pretty simple: Western Civilization was built on a lot of objectively good ideas, and the only antithesis for such ideas is, well, evil. How do you "synthesize" with something that brings nothing good to the table?
And insofar as it's a white or male thing, I think we're simply dealing with a coalition of the dregs. The anti-white delegation and the anti-male delegation are not ideologically aligned, but they can establish a working relationship based on their shared opposition to Western Civilization.
I think I just inadvertently reverse engineered intersectionalism.
It baffles me that anyone over 30 can be in favour of 3rd world immigration.
If you've lived that long, you've lived long enough to see what happens to areas that get filled with 3rd worlders: They become hellholes full of violent crime.
Good. All the cities will fall first. They don't learn lessons until some one kills or maims these liberal assholes.
I don't live in a large city so I don't care. Imagine the hell that would break out if NY went with out water for 3 days. I would pay to see that.
All civilizations are 3 meals away from collapse.
Because what happened to all those dumb hick blue collar workers in the 90's could never happen to their educated white collar asses...
God I heard that from college professors in the 2000s as well. Even in the midst of call center jobs being shipped off to India.
The issue is, they don’t look. They don’t seek information outside their bubble. So while it may have been present, they never saw it. And it’s worse now with media actively suppressing “misinformation”.
I mean, it depends on the type of immigrant. I was born an American citizen but my early childhood was in a third-word country. I got to experience a healthy portion of the immigrant experience. I've also worked in software development, managing large and small teams around the world and would happily bring in many of those people. Shoot, from a purely strategic view, the practice of brain drain from around the world helps to keep the US strong and weaken other countries.
What you should be fighting against is large-scale immigration of unskilled workers. The main purpose of importing that labor force is to keep the prices for unskilled or low-skilled labor low. In recent decades Democrats have also adopted a secondary purpose of building dependency-classes for a permanent voter base, but that aspect can be combatted.
I know a few that are over 70 going on 15. They still have all of the ideals of an adolescent. The world revolves around them. Their point of view is the correct and only point of view. If your point of view is different than theirs it is inherently wrong. Any attempt to discuss points devolves into projection and reflection.
And common denominator among these adult babies is that they have zero introspection. They are all hypocrites. They never have and never will take responsibility for anything and every negative consequence of their actions was someone else's fault.
Disgusting people. They also have this notion that they're still the rebellious "liberal" free-thinking hippies of the '60s-'70s. Now they are nothing but paid-for corporate and government shills. The ultimate symbols of the establishment that they are supposedly against.
The word you’re looking for is Boomers. And yes they were (and are) selfish pricks.
ALL THIS/ SECONDED IRL!!!! and a HEAR YE 🍺
I would argue that they are not even institutions of learning. They are purely indoctrination camps at this point.
I really noticed it from graduating college in the 90's and going back to law school in the 2000's. Granted we were just getting the internet and e-mail when I graduated from college and facebook existed when I went back.
Nah, you were just older and realized how your classmates hadn’t outgrown seventh grade yet.
They canceled the ACT last year for many schools and my neighbor had to take a math placement test. She’s going to a pretty good school and this shit was an absolute joke (she was doing the test while I was drinking beer with her parents and she was shocked that I could do problems like 5/64 + 3/8 in my head nearly instantly while drunk). I suspect if you saw the substantive side of undergrad today you’d shiver. This country is doomed. Maybe we’re just old and have expectations that are too high.
And an expensive one at that.
It's far more common than you realize.
I call it the "Al Bundy Syndrome". Alternatively: the "Bruce Springsteen Syndrome"
Al Bundy because that was the definition of a dude who reached their peak in Highschool (jesus). Married his High School sweetheart, had a bunch of kids, and talked incessantly about the time he scored 4 touchdowns in the regional championship because that's the best he could ever be. He never really grew up, and his whole family turned into degenerate failures.
Bruce Springsteen because that's basically what all his songs are about. The last desperate gasp of a misspent youth attempting to get away from home... but don't really know where they are going to go, and don't know where they are going, just hoping the road takes them somewhere good. In reality it never does.
There is a fetishization of youth by these people who only live life like they are still 16. What's worse is that they are regressing. They live forever like they are 13 year old girls (even the men). It's an inherently authoritarian nature where either you seek for someone to parent you because your family failed; or you seek to predate upon someone who wants that.
It's not really Peter Pan Syndrome, because Peter Pan seems like he just doesn't want to grow up just yet, but he's almost there. This is far worse. Peter Pan was a 16 year old still wanting to be 12. These are 35 year olds wanting to be 12. The disaster of this is far worse. Al Bundy is a better comparison for the damage... but it actually doesn't go far enough. I don't have a better compassion because JFC we are in uncharted waters for degeneracy, predation, and failed adults.
At least Al Bundy had a family that stayed together & was part of pretty based organizations (heh).
I think Married with Children was more of a social commentary that it wasn’t the 60s anymore but there was still time for Boomers “make it” in the world even while it was changing. Same with Uncle Buck.
One of the funniest things I read about it was that Married with Children was a social commentary on black families. Fox wouldn't broadcast it because it was too spicy for the Bundy's to have been all black, and that degenerate.
It would have been a total reversal of "The Cosby Show", "Family Matters", and "The Jeffersons" which had been on television for a long time. The man who originally proposed the show was also black, and was actually annoyed that all of these SitComs never actually represented what Black Families had actually been like.
I think it shows an interesting cultural class divide between middle-class and lower-class blacks that had emerged after the 60's.
I thought peter pan was an immortal? and tinkerbell was a kid who was sniffed by byeden so she decided to run away? regardless its been way too long since ive seen the movies, so...
It's all societal acceptance. People have a desperate need to be a part of the crowd.
As much as a piece of shit my father was, locking me away so I never got to socialize as a kid has been a massive blessing as an adult in that I don't need the approval of strangers.
I think we all have a lot more in common than we once realized. Fuck people like that, sheep are like lemmings, as soon as rachal madcow says something, they'll jump for it. 2 years of pee pee tape, 3 years of russia collusion, make that lesbian cry on tv and every shitlib will be convinced that hitler was a womanz
Correct. The brainwashing begins in mass media. The “approved” position is heavily reinforced be it through sitcoms, cartoons or talk shows with canned laughter and applause or other signals of group approval.
I think it's more interesting that if you're 35+ and woke you probably believe the exact opposite of what you were raised to believe and probably did believe in your early adult years, even if you were on the left.
My ideal society at 14 would have been something like out of the movie Hackers, but even then that was a world that was hyper-competitive, purely meritocratic, hostile to external and arbitrary/incompetent authority, and unwelcoming to outsiders until they had proven themselves.
I still have most of those aspects of my personality, which very much puts me at odds with "woke" culture, modern corporate culture, and even what has now become my profession's culture.
We used to have a word for them: losers.
You have no idea. there are boomers, especially stay at home housewives who do nothing but watch network/cable news and believe everything they are told to the point they regurgitate it verbatim.
I know some older people, whom I can reliably predict what they think about damn near everything because of this. No brains, no critical thinking, no remembering as little as 1 month ago, the current news cycle and that is it, emotional appeals..... its tiring
This. I wish we could outlaw fake news without ruining the first amendment, having these faggotly anchors crying about kids in cages then when bidens in office its something totally different theyll cry about. it should be illegal for how it propogandizes the people. they are certainly rubes of the highest type, but it should no more be allowed to spread lies and cries on MS- social media -M.
Good question. As someone over 35 it’s being able to coast completely oblivious to the brewing issues of the world until 2016, then picking up that something’ wrong, then realizing the gravity of what’s happening, then understanding the true hopelessness of the situation.
So I think many realize what's going on but just want to bury their heads in the sand enjoy the last few years they have left before things get really really bad.
I remember "smear the queer"
LOL. When my son was born I lived in an Uber leftist utopia (90% Dem). When he was 18 months or so I took him to one of those communal play places that’s basically a daycare but you gotta stay with your kid. Some gal running an art session said “sit down criss cross apple sauce” to wit I said “oh Indian style” and you’d have thought I threw up a Seig Heil by the reaction in the room. Holy shit.
apple sauce? wtf lmao
As a former leftist what changed my perspective was moving out and having to support myself. I never bought into the idpol shit because like anyone with a moral core I saw how awful it is even then. But once you have to make rent/mortgage payments and are completely responsible for your own shit government interference in your life doesn't seem so benign anymore. The Democraps' tax and spend schemes make it harder to pay the bills, their hug a thug crime policies turn safe neighborhoods into gang infested hell holes, and then of course they don't want you having a gun to protect yourself from their constituents. Most of these 35+ people you talk about probably still live in mommy's basement. The real world has a habit of disabusing people of their Marxist delusions.
Imagine life without excessive taxes and no rent or mortgage payments.
if you've ever talked to them you know they are children in adult's bodies
Think about a domestic cat versus his feral/stray counterpart.
Not a problem, lol.
“Stand for nothing and you’ll fall for anything.”
Technology has allowed us to socialize without actually socializing. There’s nothing that forces people to “go somewhere” now. It’s very easy to replace school time with work time with minimal disruption in living arrangements or lifestyle change. Knowing that, I’m surprised this is not more widespread.
Growing up is not a natural progression. it requires lessons to be taught and learnt.
I'm 33. Been awakened since 32 but was always a huge "conspiracy theorist" for at least 10 years now. Guess that means I'm ahead of the game lol
I mean obviously real racism and bigotry is bad. It just leads to an unpleasant life for everyone. The woke movement is different though. It tries to find racism and bigotry in everything. It's a political movement by Democrats to smear people.
Most grown up people are literally retarded. That is the only explanation.
Be 35+ and think that the politicians of the US have any interest in protecting the People of the US.
You don't have to be both old and intelligent to know that they don't correlate lol.
media and social media ... brainwashing is powerful tool that works on all ages, ones who control information do control populace
14, that old?
Woke - just found something that made the person aware of something
Awake - day is past half over and have the information to understand and shape tomorrow.
Sleeping - voting for corporate interest
I've been honestly surprised as well, what's different this time?
I guess a lot of people find their comfortable bubbles and then can ignore the world
maybe technology has intensified this process
But still, surely you see over time how some of these things are abnormal and harmful, no?
the desire of facebook and reddit to censor things they dont like and only show a circle jerk narrative has halped lead to this harrowing of creative thought in a wide crosssection of the populace.
That's what I keep seeing..."the pendulum will swing back". In 2016 I agreed with them as Trump should have been that swing. But instead the left managed to not only hold the pendulum back they broke it and it went flying off a cliff to the left.
Back in 2016 I used to tell people we're on a train heading for a cliff with the bridge out. Trump's going to throw the brakes. It's not going to stop the train the best we can hope for is that it derails it. It won't be pretty, but we know that Hillary would have kept shoveling coal into the engine speeding up as we go over...
This so much. Back in 2016 - 2017 I was mostly nonchalant about the pendulum swinging back the other way, but didn't dismiss it. These days it's obvious the pendulum will not swing back the other way, and the only way things will change is sadly through non-peaceful revolution.
And now biden is making up for lost time/...
It was only a pendulum so long as the baby boom generation directed the economic & and social climate due to its sheer size. So when they changed their minds, so did the course of the nation.
I’ve seen this a lot in optimistic boomer types like your parents. While the negative ones (like minej are just happy to be dead before things get really bad. Either way it’s not their world anymore.
i dont think the 35+ year olds are mostly coomers, im gonna say thats the 16-24 set, there are lots of great games when you ignore the woke era, although the black god in god of war II is pushing it. and im too low iq to understand cave word, but it is quite scary that most people live like that in the modern era/