I know I'm preaching to the choir here and nothing I'm about to say is new or insightful, but holy shit there's nothing more draining than listening to some HR bitch yap as she wastes the time of people with real jobs. Look lady, I know you have to pretend that you aren't a parasite and that your adult daycare job is important, but those of us who create the excess productivity for you to leech off of have shit to do. I hear these cunts are a real joy in the dating market too, but I've been spared any first hand experience on that front.
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My all-time favorite internet comment was in response to women striking off work for a day in order to prove how valuable they are to society:
“emails rotting in the fields”
It would be bad enough if feminism had merely doubled the labor pool (and thereby massively suppressed wages). No, it’s actually much worse than that. We had to create an endless supply of cushy make-work non-jobs for women to occupy (in lieu of doing any real work that creates legitimate value). And all of these bullshit jobs are subsidized by male labor, which is now criminally underpaid. Just so women can feel better about themselves and put off having children and families, which is making them fucking miserable anyways?
But look on the bright side: now you need two half-salaries to own a home, and your kids will be raised by degenerate leftist freaks who hate you. Win/win/win!
Edit to add: the WNBA is a perfect microcosm for women in the workforce: subsidized by male labor, not accountable to market forces, actively hostile towards constituents/customers. It’s a jobs program for resentful women rebelling against muh patriarchy aka god aka sustainable prosperous civilization.
That comment deserves reddit gold
even more of a win if you can't get a woman at all and are stuck knowing that you'll die homeless eventually.
Canada also has a fix for that: MAID
Think I'd much rather go out from a Japanese maid if you catch my drift.
Don't forget removing Women from Homes also removed them from the communities those homes were in. Your neighbourhood is no longer a community not only because of immigration but because no-ones at home in there. No-one has spare time to build their community because the household time spent on work has gone from 40 to 80 hours per week.
That's so good.
Hr is a government compliance job, the people are no different than government employees because that is the actual basis of the role. However if you have a feminist HR it speaks volumes about the company leadership and whether or not you should have one foot out the door.
I wouldn't be shocked if this bitch is a feminist, but outside of the usual inclusivity sops I haven't seen anything awful on that front. My major complaint is that these clowns get paid to socialize and they insist on forcing productive people to participate to the detriment of things they were hired to do.
It is well-researched how to break unions and sow discord among a workforce, and found that encouraging that in the workforce raised division and hatred and general antipathy, while only having a negligible effect on actual output. In any environment where collective action or unionization is even a fleeting fever dream of possibility, it is good to go all "inclusivity" because it makes people angrier and more distrustful of each-other.
VERY well-researched. There's a LOT of money in this. The particular HR person you dislike may have no idea of the sheer volumes of text that have gone into it, but they do follow the standard manual: Promote inclusivity in order to actually demote inclusivity and suppress wages.
This. Logically I would fight tooth & nail to defend an inefficient & unfair merit system rather than join any union demanded by jeets, feminists, commies, fags, or nogs.
One gives me a chance of raise / promotion; the other doesn’t.
I think the point was that sowing distrust among a group of workers makes them less likely to unionize, thereby making it easier to keep wages low. Essentially, fight each other instead of the ones in control.
It's a classic strategy.
But I do agree that most unions only benefit corrupt or lazy people.
Exactly what he’s saying. I just brought the perspective of your average White male office worker’s mindset.
You never actually here Compliance people get bitched out over DEI nonsense because, unlike HR, they actually need to be competent enough to understand byzantine regulations, and constantly get different opinions from the agencies themselves when asked.
The worst part about HR because its existence is that they are criminally overpaid.
At all the organization's I've worked at, HR people are typically paid the same or better as the front-line revenue generating roles. There's no way the HR staff are adding that much value to the business.
Someone once told me HR was invented to give women jobs and it really seems like it to me.
I remember a story of a mining(?) company where the female office staff demanded to paid as much as the miners and in response the boss outsourced the office jobs and offered the female employees positions as miners as he couldn't directly fire them and not single one accepted.
Probably made up but amusing nonetheless.
Nah, the real version of that story would be the female office staff demanding to be paid the same as the miners getting black lung, the owner happily complies and halves the salaries of the office staff then the women successfully sue the company for fulfilling their demands.
At my company's last all-hands get together, I got to the dinner a few minutes early so grabbed an empty table before my teammates had arrived.
Before anyone else had joined me, one of the HR people asked, "oh hey, mind if we sit here?" which I obviously said, "sure" to because it would have been awkward to say no. So I ended up surrounded by the entire HR team, with my least favorite person in the company, the HR director, sitting in the char next to me.
Fortunately I managed to get through it without saying anything to get myself blacklisted from the entire industry.
We outsource most of our HR, the only on prem HR also does part of the accounting, and spends most of her time doing that.
She is a curmudgeonly old lady who is the real life version of an internet troll. I think we are lucky to have her.
Yes. Last time my employer was hiring, they gave us nothing but jeets, sandniggers, and the occasional kike to choose from. This is in a profession that is over 60% White, yet I never saw a White resume.
The accounting team can do half the onboarding, and the team that actually needs the employees should have some kind of... managing person... maybe a "manager", who can "manage" their new hires. They could even "manage" who gets hired!
the entire purpose of HR is to tone police you, browbeat you into frustrated submission with their stupidity, and stonewall you for a fraction of what lawyers cost. because if they weren't there, you'd just get a straight forward answer, and some percentage of those questions would turn into lawsuits.
I had to do a double take and see if Imp was back. But very true. I actually dealt with this in a get together the past few days for a product review and now I’m wondering if we work for the same company.
I'm forever thankful that all my "local" HR departments were always the most useful and helpful people possible who would go out of their way to help you with nonsense paperwork and dealing with various internal conflicts.
When the "upper" HR ladies would come in there was always a walking on eggshell atmosphere with all the obvious problems we all know, but at least that was a "quarterly checkup or after a major catastrophe" limited event.
Benefits of not being an office drone, I suppose.
Are you talking about presentations? Surely you can just skip those.
In this comment, Antonio accidentally reveals that he doesn't have a job. That or this is his job.
> Jewish
> Disappears for weeks at a time
> Doesn't know about HR bullshit that would get a White man fired
JIDF confirmed!!@!
But seriously, I can't really fault him for not knowing things that aren't relevant to him.
Where did you get that idea? Kaarous used to spam me with a claim that was at least somewhat closer to the truth.
Not here, and pretty sure not in America either. Nearly everyone I know who skips these presentations is a [w]hite man (I'm not). Not the trainings, mind you, but very few of them are about HR stuff.
I think it was from a while ago when you commented about someone or someone's group wanting to genocide either you, or your people. Honestly, I don't keep notes on people.
Definitely America. I live it, I see it, I have friends and relatives that complain about it. At least for anyone actually White and not some mutt that can pass as something else. Standards are much, much lower for everyone else.
This kind of reminds me of when politicians protest too much.
Antonio is an Arab who lives in Italy who allegedly doesn’t practice Islam
That explains so much.
This ought to be good. What does it explain?
Huh, never would have guessed.
Since you're a fat American, I'll give you a pass for not being familiar with Shakespeare, but holy hell, this is almost as dumb as the other American who thought that I live in California because there's apparently a Venice there.
Just how dumb are you?
25 years of invading a region, and you still haven't figured out that there are non-Muslims and non-Arabs there. No wonder you elect people like Ted Cruz.
Also, aren't you an American who has had his foreskin amputated? Or maybe you haven't noticed cause you can't see from above... or in a mirror.
I read you lived in Italy from someone else but got the Arab bit from I think Imp
I mean, it may shock you that it's not "my group", but some people here pretty openly espouse that they think all Jews should be killed. And of course, they call anyone who doesn't agree... you guessed it.
Not sure what kind of conspiracy you cooked up there, but I think it's stupid to capitalize races. Like basically the entire world up to the Floyd incident.
Guess I was wrong then. My mistake.
I'm not sure I'd call 'White" or 'black' a race. That said, the world seems intent on capitalizing certain words, so I'm going to do the same until clown world reverses course.
When I call them a 'color', people get angry because "it's more than just color". That's why I said race. Are you just reversing the capitalization of the mainstream? I guess that's legitimate to some extent. Capitalizing them both is something I don't think should be done.
I regularly skip all hands meetings and still haven't completed my onboarding mandatory training two and half years into my current job. Ignoring HR is a very achievable goal in some offices.
Or, you know, doesn't work a job with HR...?
Self employment or small businesses don't have HR. Plenty of other jobs too.
I've never been to an HR meeting.
In the EU? Hell, they wallpaper their trains with diversity propaganda. That dog won't hunt.
I never say if I do or don't. Opsec and all.
But do tell what was wrong with that.
The sheer ignorance mostly.
If you think you can just skip the HR training crap I'd question whether you have had a job since at least as far back as 2012.
I said presentations. Everyone I know skips them.
Don't know if you live in Europistan but in the USA, skipping meetings is not possible.
I say this as a blue collar guy who works in a shop.
I do live in Europe. Not sure if you meant trainings or presentations, but "meetings" with HR aren't a thing for me. For me, the following applies:
Trainings: mostly security related (phishing etc). Maybe 0.3 trainings relating to discrimination/wokeness/bribery a year of 30 min each.
Presentations: these can be skipped at will, but are not about woke stuff anyway.
I work for a fortune 500 company and the CBT of every variety, HR crap, safety, etc, can't be skipped, and requires participation from the victim no less.
So they're trainings? For me, the following applies:
Trainings: mostly security related (phishing etc). Maybe 0.3 trainings relating to discrimination/wokeness/bribery a year of 30 min each.
Presentations: these can be skipped at will, but are not about woke stuff anyway.
Didn't you just say that you never reveal if you do or don't?
You can skip some of them here (company in Germany), you don't need 100% participation especially when it's repeat stuff. Your manager/boss can excuse you ("super important deadline") and you don't have to take it and with a good boss he will give you that excuse regularly. But not always, cause eventually they would go after him.
There are some trainings/presentations that don't require physical presence, cause there's no HR instructor, and you can complete them at any time. You dont get to ignore those. "Just do it in a month". But those are never about DEI shit, but security / bribery / corruption related ones.
Not really most are required and you can lose your job for missing them.
If you're productive enough or irreplaceable they don't actually care and you can literally do what you want. If you are somewhere where you can't then, to the company, you are expendable.
If it wasn't an HR problem it'll be something else. It's a giant sign that says "work somewhere else."
They've been forcing you more and more to actually do those. Even made videos unskipable and then you get a small quiz at the end.
To their defense the training has become a lot less about DIE stuff.
Unskippable videos with volume controls disabled.
Unfortunately for them, volume mixers still exist for anyone competent enough to use them.
Right click, "Mute Site"
Sounds more like a 'training'. The people I know all skip the presentations, where some HR person or executive talks and talks - because these can be easily skipped. The way OP framed it, it sounded like a presentation than a training.
Maybe because I'm working from home but I've rarely had any HR live presentations. The few times I had it was somewhat useful like medical coverage and best practices and safety requirements even if you work from home.
Same experience for me. But they're always recorded and broadcast online.
What confused me about OP is that he seemed to be talking about HR presentations:
But everyone here is reading my comment as though it refers to trainings (i.e., programs where you don't interact with a human being).
I made the same mistake, sry. Didn't make the difference between presentations and trainings
The in person presentations demand attendance and will even discipline you if you are obviously not paying attention.
The computer powerpoints and the like not only have check systems to make sure you have done them (one of my jobs printed them off every month as a reminder of what you need to do) but also spend considerable development time closing every loophole that would allow you to "skip" through them faster. The last ones I did had a monotone guy reading every single word on the page slowly, and wouldn't let you go to the next one until he finished.
Its actually a real problem, because a lot of them are extremely long and most jobs don't actually have the hours to spare to allot for them in regular employee schedules. Meaning either overtime or straight up "this employee gets a day off sitting in the computer room." So its a loss of both productivity and profit for the company as well.
That shit is the worst, I can't focus on what I'm reading when I'm being spoken at and I don't comprehend spoken word as well as written world so often what ends up happening is I have to wait for the audio to finish then read what was written so I check I understood properly, nothing but time wasting that actually inhibits my ability to take in the information being presented.
Put Subway Surfers or Family Guy funny moments in the corner of the presentation. If it works for ADHD Tiktokers, it should work for terminally boring
struggle sessionsHR presentations.Shit if only. Our work computers are so locked down and limited that you can't do anything on them beyond the handful of approved apps.
But, we aren't in tech or even office workers so we literally only use them for this purpose and the occasional messing around with vacation days. I have to imagine the office drone has a lot more flexibility there, though probably also a lot more surveillance.
Personally, I just dawdle on my phone while waiting for Mr. Slow Read to finish. Its only frustrating because I have being inefficient and sitting around, and its forcing me to do so.
LOL. Never even heard of that. That's some serious North Korean stuff.
Those I have seen (though not about HR stuff). The solution is to mute your headphone, and just take a break in the meantime.
How long are we thinking about? You said one day. A year? Still a lot, but fairly manageable.
Probably still profitable as some sort of lawsuit shield.
Look, we forced our employees to take a training on PEANUT ALLERGIES. You don't get to sue us for a hostile work environment. That might be why this is less of a problem here, because successful frivolous lawsuits are also less common.
Its not nearly as serious. Its literally just "hey we have a meeting today about not harassing women" and they expect you to not be on your phone or talking in the back. Its annoying more than a serious threat, but its also non-negotiable.
The worst ones I've dealt with were 4~ hours on a single module, basically removed your ability to do any other work for the day after. And most jobs seem to do "yearly refreshes" where you have to redo 90% of them every year, which can add up to something like 40+ hours between them all. Which is literally a week of lost productivity at the minimum.
Absolutely the case, else it wouldn't be so omnipresent. My company literally said "we will eat the consequences, we aren't enforcing the vaxx, its more money lost that way" but still complies with these HR jokes.
Most frivolous lawsuits weren't as frivolous as they seemed, but the corporations who lost had great connections to journalists and media to make it sound like they were.
Small Civil Court shit like Judge Judy is filled with frivolous lawsuits, but the big corporate ones usually have to pass a lot of smell tests to even get there. Not that some haven't made it through, but the "you can sue anyone in America lol!" meme is more of a European's consuming too much news media than reality.
Weird stuff. Apparently, a lot of people have the same experience as you, because people are very Mad at me. I guess I should be thankful that this is condensed into a stupid training here.
Oh, I'm aware, even the McDonald's case. But the 'hostile work environment' stuff is pretty crap. Like the black guy who got $160 million at some Elon Musk company because a Mexican called him 'nigga'. Maybe it's not even the frivolous nature but the huge punitive payouts. Here, you get back pay and very small punitive damages, if any.
What's up then with GOP trying to limit liability? Just a giveaway to corporate interests? (Not surprised.)
I think its also a huge selection bias. Its very overpresent in office/corporate jobs, and not nearly as common in the rest of the job market. Mine are pretty minimal enough to not be more than a novelty that I just know about, while others it might be constant.
But a lot of people's in these types of forums are office drones working in tech and other silly stuff that inspired Office Space in the first place.
DEI and other Woke laws are one of the primary sources of what we would consider the frivolous ones, because its a pretty instant win thanks to laws on the book like Title IX and the Civil Rights Act's numerous forms. Because you really don't have to "prove damages" other than "I was emotionally hurt because they insulted my gender/sexuality/race."
Its why the HR thing is so beloved by corporations. Because in theory its designed to minimize that specific scenario.
It's a required box checking exercise that could be cut in half at the very least if they cut out all the extraneous shit. That's more annoying than the exercise itself.
HR is nothing but a recreation of high school, over and over and over again. Like OMFG did you hear that Susan is going out with Raymond from Accounting?!?!? Gen Z boss in a mini, Lulz!