This puts higher-quality men in an awkward position – they are expected to uphold society, but they must also become barbarians if they want to compete with, well, the barbarians.
I realized in my early 20s that I was not getting attention from women because I was being far too polite and treating women with far too much respect. They see that as weakness, for some strange reason.
I observed the guys I had been turned down for and began to emulate their idiotic behavior.
Began to act like a violent chauvenistic asshole who spoke ill of all women in front of other women, bullied other men to establish my position in their hierarchy of retardation, and acted dumb on purpose. Suddenly, I had "passed the test" and started getting laid left and right.
I was finally getting what I wanted but had to act like a complete piece of shit to get it. That didn't make me happy at all, and made me lose any real respect I had left for women. If me acting retarded is what "gets them going", that's just fucking gross.
I think somewhere deep in their subconscious, women know feminism was a mistake, but they're too invested and too proud to consciously admit it to themselves. Which is a big part of why most of them are on antidepressants.
I think women are subconsciously just looking for a guy who can protect them from other guys. We're pretty much just "rape prevention" in their heads and us beating our chests like apes and being an asshole to people unnecessarily somehow proves that we can hold our own against other humans. I never understood the attraction to someone being mean to women, though.
I was going on planned, calculated, rage-filled rants in front of desireable female coworkers about other female coworkers and what retarded worthless cunts they were. That earned sexy-points, for some reason I cannot fathom. You'd think that would make them steer clear, but no. Entirely non-intuitive rules in that retarded game.
Its a stupid quote on par with "happy wife happy life". Women, and men, are simple creatures. Men are at fault for trying to twist themselves into pretzels trying to overcomplicate attracting a woman, something so simple a fucking chimp in the jungle figures out in 10 seconds.
Men have just ingested layers upon layers of idiotic propaganda to the point where we don't even know the basics. Women want a dominant man. There, female nature understood. Stop playing their games and be in control. Stop simping. Stop being submissive. Stop trying to rescue messed up hoes by being nice.
This is something I noted years ago on my old, compromised account. 21st Century men of European stock have become far too imbued with manners, chivalry and other markers of a sophisticated, intelligent human being that society sadly makes clear it no longer wants. The fact is women don't like that in a man anymore. They prefer men to be brutish, macho and upfront, which is why so many of them become mudsharks. And you have to change an awful lot about yourself in this day and age if you want to have a fraction of the sex life our parents enjoyed.
Check the score/ratio of the last few posts I made for about a month or more. Someone got EXTREMELY upset over pointing out the transport lobby's attempt to overtake the internet and meme "walkable cities" into a universally a benevolent thing instead of a trojan horse for increasingly harsh and invasive governmental surveillance measures by forcefully locking down people into smaller urban areas, taking away a lot of their transport choice, and forcing them to register themselves in various CBDC-type systems before they're allowed to leave.
So every fucking thing I posted got -15'd within hours of being posted, regardless of what it was about. If you hover over the points you can see how bad it got. So rather than continue, I moved on to a new account.
I know who at least one of the main actors were; it's a Swede whose username literally means "fire brigade" who had a strange raceplay fetish and a fantasy for white men being raped by gun-toting blacks, but I don't know if it was just that one faggot with alts and no life, or a co-ordinated gayop on somewhere like Discord or some faggy IB. Might even be intelligence annoyed I'm poking holes in their pet project. But either way, I don't think I'll be going back to it.
No, they want a guy that's dominant not a pussy. All that shit is lame crap betas make up to cloak their weak behavior as virtuous. You aren't well mannered, you're submissive. You aren't chivalrous, you're trying to be so nice to placate people around you so they like you. You aren't sophisticated, you're soft.
Emphasis on "misplaced". Women shouldn't want a man with murderous tendencies that calls them a "bitch" most of the day or manhandles/beats them around. But it's what they tend to prefer.
Its because she is being a bitch and will only respect the guy that calls her out on it.
Its shit testing. Why should she respect a guy that she can control with her games. The dude that says shut up and leave if you're gonna be a bitch and is willing to throw her ass out of his house for misbehavior is a dominant man.
When they don't have proper guidance from men, they gravitate towards the only men that won't submit to them, which is often the guys that don't respect anybody or anyone's rules.
Your opinion on what is attractive in a man is irrelevant though. The whole point is what women think is attractive.
Men are weak, isolated, and demoralized. Men are the leaders and protectors of society, and its time to stop blaming women, who we know are not going to lead us, and start blaming the weak men that got us here and maintain our weakness. How many men do you know over the age of 40 that actually stand for other men? Not just trying to curtail them and force them into some form of cultural feminism. We live in simp culture, and simps are to blame.
The argument I have heard countless times from bitter men is "She likes guy X who treats her bad and is an asshole, while I buy her dinner and flowers and listen to her complain about stuff. She should go out with me instead of him."
The funniest part is half the time I know guy X who is totally NOT an asshole, he's just not an obnoxious simp who tries to pay women for their affection. So the door holding argument stands because it's always weak men whining that women pass them over despite their "qualities" that literally any normal human being has and that shouldn't entitle them to anything.
And these guys are always mooning over some 10/10 knockout who is completely out of their league while passing over a perfectly fine 4-6 who might actually like them but she's ugly so eww no thanks.
So while yes I agree that women are bad at picking men, men are also very stupid about how they approach women and try to get their attention. To be fair, a lot of this is the fault of women for raising boys to be pussies, while boomer dads ignored the problem.
It's basic hypergamy, women want to date up so it serves to reason (in women logic) that any man who is nice to them doesn't have other options, and is therefore beneath them. So while they don't actually enjoy being treated like crap, the aloof guy gets their attention by his lack of attachment to the outcome. If he doesn't care how she feels, it has to be because he has options and that automatically makes him higher value.
Once you understand this you can be the 'cocky jerk' without treating women 'bad' and get everything you want out of relationships. But for some men the conditioning is so bad the realization that the world doesn't work how they've been taught is overwhelming.
Well said. Most men have been taught to submit to women in order to get rewarded. This is female thinking. Female get rewarded for submitting to the opposite sex.
I took my now wife shooting on our first date. Taught her how to handle and load a pistol, let her shoot a few mags. Then I loaded a full mag, took the pistol from her, put the target range out to 100ft, and proceeded to rapid fire the whole mag into the ten ring with one hand.
The look she gave me is indescribable.
You don't have to be an "asshole", necessarily. I'm polite but firm to my wife(and I treat most other women lower than a pair of socks). But it definitely helps to be good at violence. A man should be anyway.
As Napoleon Dynamite once said, chicks like guys with skills. A man with no skills is evolutionarily worthless. Like it or not, men have to be useful to people to have value.
Then I loaded a full mag, took the pistol from her, put the target range out to 100ft, and proceeded to rapid fire the whole mag into the ten ring with one hand.
Sure you did. Lol
How many people around here have actually shot guns?
Do you understand how hard it is to consistently put pistol rounds in the 10 ring at 100 feet with BOTH hands, letting the gun rest between shots? The 10 ring is the bullseye. We're not talking rifles here.
I've been shooting since I was five, I still shoot twice a month, and I've been doing three gun my entire adult life. I was never nationally ranked but I am nonetheless an excellent shot.
Well, the Olympic air pistol comp is one-handed at only 33 feet, with a .177 air pistol that has the recoil of a mouse pissing on cotton, only one shot at a time. Admittedly the target circle is about 3 times smaller than a typical gun target, but the distance is also 3 times smaller than your feat. Consistent 10s will get you a gold medal. So I expect to see you on the podium next time.
Well in fairness I was bragging, no denying that. But I don't believe in false modesty, if you're good you're good, simple as that. But honestly, nobody comes to this rinky dink forum to listen to a forty year old man talk about how he can't fish for shit or how he dances like he's trying to find his keys. I'm not a negative person and I'm not going to wallow in my own personal deficiencies, that's only good if you actually want to be depressed.
I put a lifetime of effort into learning to shoot. Moreso because unlike my father I'm not inherently talented at it. And I'm proud of it, that's all there is to it.
And it probably sounds like these are also the worst type of women to actually be in a relationship with because they were selecting for sex, and you were not selecting for a relationship.
The answer is to take away their rights. Woman casting a ballot? In the trash it goes. Wants to go to college? Maybe after providing proof she's had kids. Signing up for Onlyfans? Well, that's a honeytrap that notifies her family (the men, of course). Fathers control who gets to court their daughters.
But, it's really just a dream. A combined 88% of men believe women's rights are just right or not enough. Implementing this won't be fighting women (they can't), it'll be fighting those 88% of men and impossible.
If only that covid jab was as lethal as some were saying.
The OP hoe_math himself is essentially a retired, aged out manwhore who has personally given up on women or a traditional family life as he approaches 40.
He's retreated to the woods with no friends or family and now hoards YT wealth by whining & doodling about the nature of women & shitlibs while forecasting the collapse of Western civilization.
He's like an anon Jordan Peterson wannabe with cleaner living but the same dysthymic & neurotic streaks.
The problem with hoe_math is that he's great at making observations, but shit at giving advise.
He's begun to devolve into boomer-isms where he insists that getting together with your group of personal friends, forming a militia-like group, and banding together against the world will solve all your ills and get you the girl.
Which, uh, sounds great, except he keeps ignoring the fucking whale in the room and seems blind to anyone pointing out the downsides of this plan.
What is the "'fucking whale in the room?", honest question?
The lack of actionable advice is a pitfall that befalls lots of influencers who suddenly find themselves as a leader for the disenfranchised.
Look at Jordan Peterson for one. He went from every young man's e-daddy to a drug-addled, sniveling Zio shill husk of a man denying that he's even a Christian real quick.
I think of Jeremy MacKenzie, the Canadian meme leader of Diagolon that emerged out of the trucker convoy. He's a Canadian Afghanistan vet who rose to somewhat viral fame with his controversial podcast with a decent following among middle-aged & fitness-minded purebloods.
But he mostly has shirked the mantle of providing solutions to a demographic that needs some whitepilling. Three years later, he's still just ranting on his podcast solo for donos, blackpilling, picking stupid Internet fights with potential allies & declaring there's no political solution & washing his hands of everything.
There's no leadership besides the tired old RW dissident tropes of hitting the gym & finding your frens.
hoe_math has a few problems when it comes to the advice part
He's not successful in life or romance himself besides his YT shekels. I've heard him openly tell people "Don't be like me. I'm miserable."
Though he recommends against being a promiscuous Chad of a young man, he's also very openly proud about his 12-15 year hoe phase himself. His main complaint about it is that he aged out & it's over. Other than his intelligence (which brought him near zero professional success before YT fame), he derives a lot of his self-worth from the fact that he was so fuckable in his younger days. Which is very feminine behavior.
Given his lack of professional success pre-YT (and his belief that numerous women rejected a LTR with him because of his low status & lack of wealth), his primary concern is making YT bank to make up for lost time.
He does tell people not to emulate his current life. But the problem is still that a lot of his self-worth and branding wrapped up in his years of being self-reportedly ridiculously successful and promiscuous on the casual sex market.
He laments a lot that he used to be "an eight" but now he's got old, isn't pretty enough anymore and doesn't get IRL attention from women like he used to when he was more cut (though he's still getting unsolicited offers in his DMs online because of his new fame & status as an e-celeb).
He also still gives advice to young men that it's fine to fool around with casual sex for a while like he did before getting serious because women like men with "experience".
So while he mostly lived a life of sexual depravity before going viral, he's only partially remorseful.
I'm sure if he had to do it again, he'd still rather have high body counts rather than be a hopeless loser incel like a lot of his audience.
You just described with 100% accuracy the vast majority of mgtow men. Losers and washed up man whores who are upset they don't get strange puss so easily as it was in 2005
Women aren't retarded. They just stand to gain nothing by attaching themselves to submissive men. Welfare pays more and chad fucks better. What good is a beta bux deluxe anymore?
Women haven't been able to select their sexual partners freely for 99.9% of human history. Their mating instincts have never evolved beyond fucking the biggest and most violent ape in the jungle.
I was listening to a podcast the other day reviewing a book about historic mating rituals & sexual repression in tribes.
Rituals such as sending your fiancée to be vetted by living with her MIL first for 6 months.
Or marriage rituals by having the father demonstrably & publicly break the hymen by hand in front of the entire tribe in a ritual to demonstrate purity with blood flow. Where the tribe would either cheer at the sight of blood or stone the woman to death if she was found to be unchaste.
The book, which I forgot the name & author, posited that no civilization survives 3 generations once female sexual suppression is lifted.
It's almost as though all these isolated & very different cultures knew what they were doing when they in parallel put societal guardrails on female mate selection.
That sounds very interesting. I'd love to listen to that podcast or read that book.
The book, which I forgot the name & author, posited that no civilization survives 3 generations once female sexual suppression is lifted.
I've heard similar sentiments before various times and it's hard not to acknowledge that it's very plausible at the very least. The implication is always that we're next in line as a society, but I fear that our technological sophistication and level of abundance relative to those past failed societies is so high that it could keep our society going in a sort of zombie, semi-collapsed state. Or perhaps "death" as a society this time simply entails being overrun with third worlders who eventually take over.
Dimes and Judas dissect the book “Sex & Culture” by JD Unwin. A deep anthropological study of tribes from across the world, he correlates sexual restrictions with advanced social development posits a thesis that monogamy is essential to harness the energy of a populace to achieve innovation and growth.
Didn't realize the book was that old. Still very prophetic 90 years later.
Unwin seems to be a Brit, an Oxford Scholar & a WWI vet.
He died at 40 the year after the book was published from complications from a medical procedure.
By 'civilized' societies the book refers specifically to the following sixteen historical peoples:
Sumerians, Babylonians, Egyptians, Assyrians, Hellenes, Persians, Hindus, Chinese, Japanese, Sassanids, Arabs (Moors), Romans, Teutons, and Anglo-Saxons.
In Sex and Culture (1934), Unwin studied 80 primitive tribes and six known civilizations through 5,000 years of history. He claimed there was a positive correlation between the cultural achievement of a people and the sexual restraint they observe. Aldous Huxley described Sex and Culture as "a work of the highest importance" in his literature.
According to Unwin, after a nation becomes prosperous, it becomes increasingly liberal concerning sexual morality. It thus loses its cohesion, impetus, and purpose, which he claims is irrevocable.
Unwin also stated, "In the past, too, the greatest energy has been displayed only by those societies which have reduced their sexual opportunity to a minimum by the adoption of absolute monogamy [...]. In every case the women and children were reduced to the level of legal nonentities, sometimes also to the level of chattels, always to the level of mere appendages of the male estate. Eventually they were freed from their disadvantages, but at the same time the sexual opportunity of the society was extended. Sexual desires could then be satisfied in a direct or perverted manner [...]. So the energy of the society decreased, and then disappeared." He further notes, "No society has yet succeeded in regulating the relations between the sexes in such a way as to enable sexual opportunity to remain at a minimum for an extended period." And thus, all societies have collapsed. His hope for the future is that, "by placing the sexes on a level of complete legal equality, and then by altering its economic and social organization in such a way as to render it both possible and tolerable for sexual opportunity to remain at a minimum for an extended period," a society may flourish.
His hope for the future is that, "by placing the sexes on a level of complete legal equality, and then by altering its economic and social organization in such a way as to render it both possible and tolerable for sexual opportunity to remain at a minimum for an extended period," a society may flourish.
Womp womp. Thanks, definitely adding it to the list to read.
Women are simply not turned on by studious, cautious engineers and businessmen with smart plans for the future. They are turned on by rock stars, rappers, athletes, serial killers, and gang members.
This isn't true. The issue is that women aren't using long-term time preference because we live in a short-term time preference society. Most of these women's grandmothers would have emphasized marrying doctors and engineers (the same way most Asian and Indian parents do in the US) specifically because a womans investment in a man before the peak of his success is the best way to keep him and benefit from his long-term social status.
Women, like men, were basically not taught how or why to have a long-term time preference; because they were effectively raised by parents who were mental children.
This isn't true. The issue is that women aren't using long-term time preference because we live in a short-term time preference society.
You mean we live in a gynocentric society with birth control. This occurred everywhere birth control occurred without fail including Asia and India. India is less than half the birth rate of the late 80s and nearly 1/3 of 1960. There are plenty of short term preference cultures with high birth rates historically. The difference here is that birth control does damage to women’s hormones and their ability to pair bond and select mates, and that’s aside from the “positive” of birth control lowering risk for pregnancy.
Most of these women's grandmothers would have emphasized marrying doctors and engineers (the same way most Asian and Indian parents do in the US) specifically because a womans investment in a man before the peak of his success is the best way to keep him and benefit from his long-term social status.
Most women’s grandmas were rabid feminists who sent their husbands to war while they demanded “equality”. The only reason they would tell their granddaughters to go after a doctor is to entrap them, just like Asian and Indian grandmothers do currently with their used up 30 year old granddaughters begging for an arranged marriage because the rappers didn’t commit. There’s also the sad fact that men in Asian and Indian households are treated like pay pigs by their matriarchal spouses, mothers, and daughters.
Women, like men, were basically not taught how or why to have a long-term time preference; because they were effectively raised by parents who were mental children.
You mean they were raised by women. There’s a reason the single parent birth rate is exploding across the board and it’s because women were taught by feminists to waste their potential for a Bosch painting and then pop out a kid after they lose any ability to pair bond.
The only reason they would tell their granddaughters to go after a doctor is to entrap them, just like Asian and Indian grandmothers do currently with their used up 30 year old granddaughters begging for an arranged marriage because the rappers didn’t commit.
There’s a reason the single parent birth rate is exploding across the board and it’s because women were taught by feminists to waste their potential for a Bosch painting and then pop out a kid after they lose any ability to pair bond.
The modern redpill accounts for the long-term female dating strategy by the concept of "husband material" that you outline.
Where women who have hit the wall & had their fun suddenly "settle" for a "husband material" betabux nice guy provider to fund their lifestyle with a dead bedroom while they pine for Chad like Rose in Titanic.
Where women who have hit the wall & had their fun suddenly "settle" for a "husband material" betabux nice guy provider to fund their lifestyle with a dead bedroom while they pine for Chad like Rose in Titanic.
Titanic wouldn't be in the list of highest-grossing movies ever if it didn't resonate with so many women.
You mean we live in a gynocentric society with birth control.
No, I mean short-term time preference society with birth control. The issue isn't a 1:1 - If short term time preference THEN falling birth rates. That doesn't make sense and I didn't argue it.
Short term-time preference is the biggest issue in addition to all the other failure of a modern western society. I don't think we live in a gynocentric society, I think "women's sexual empowerment" is one avenue of attack by Leftism (which is mostly men anyway).
Most women’s grandmas were rabid feminists who sent their husbands to war while they demanded “equality”.
Total fiction. Most Feminists of the era were opposed to what we have today, and most women weren't Feminists. Feminism has never been majority popular among women, even now. Most of these women's grand parents fully accepted the traditional gender roles, they just didn't see why political obstructions needed to be made to keep women from working.
There is a huge difference between, "I wanna be an engineer", and "50% of all engineers must be women, start firing men until we get to the right number."
You mean they were raised by women.
Calm down, imp. Short-term time preference and modern hedonism are not exclusively the domain of women and women alone. Being raised by only Dad, or by only Mom and Dad, doesn't negate the short-term time preference and hedonism that we're seeing. They're just less bad than single mothers.
lose any ability to pair bond
Now that's just silly. You don't lose the ability to pair bond simply by being old, or even promiscuous. It's difficult to do it because if someone hasn't been pair-bonding their whole life until their 40, then yes, they will struggle, but not because they lost a literal biological imperative.
Short term-time preference is the biggest issue in addition to all the other failure of a modern western society. I don't think we live in a gynocentric society, I think "women's sexual empowerment" is one avenue of attack by Leftism (which is mostly men anyway).
If you don’t believe we live in a gynocentric society you are beyond retarded. The welfare state, forced gendered hiring, rights without responsibility, gender disparities in jail sentences, lowered physical standards, alimony, and kangaroo rape courts are amongst dozens of other government enforced gynocentrism.
Total fiction. Most Feminists of the era were opposed to what we have today, and most women weren't Feminists. Feminism has never been majority popular among women, even now. Most of these women's grand parents fully accepted the traditional gender roles, they just didn't see why political obstructions needed to be made to keep women from working.
This is hilarious revisionism. Most feminists of the era were pushing exactly for what we have today, which is gynocentric intersectionalism. You would have to be swallowing a metric ton of revision bullshit to believe the women pumping out 1 million plus abortions a year after roe just wanted “to work”. The grandparents today are the ones that collapsed the traditional gender roles.
There is a huge difference between, "I wanna be an engineer", and "50% of all engineers must be women, start firing men until we get to the right number."
I agree, and history shows it was never “I want to be an engineer” that was propaganda made after the fact to sell the removal gender roles. This is the same stupidity that was “gays just want to be married”, it might be pretty to believe but it was never the case and if you studied early feminism it’s blatantly obvious.
Calm down, imp. Short-term time preference and modern hedonism are not exclusively the domain of women and women alone. Being raised by only Dad, or by only Mom and Dad, doesn't negate the short-term time preference and hedonism that we're seeing. They're just less bad than single mothers.
“Dads aren’t important in the household to prevent female hypergamy” is this really the argument you want to make?
Now that's just silly. You don't lose the ability to pair bond simply by being old, or even promiscuous. It's difficult to do it because if someone hasn't been pair-bonding their whole life until their 40, then yes, they will struggle, but not because they lost a literal biological imperative.
“Pheromones, the endocrine system, and hormones don’t impact your ability to pair bond, it’s entirely psychological!” Really? At least try to make an argument this isn’t this pathetic at face value. Pair bonding is an inherent biological trait in social creatures. Promiscuity impacts the female endocrine system, it also impacts their ability to sense pheromones (which impacts their ability to pair bond), birth control does this and more as well.
This is probably the answer. We live in a society of people who were raised by fools who live their life pleasure by pleasure with no long term outlook or moral backing. Their kids are the same or worse and live based on their lower facilities rather than using the higher ones.
There obviously are still many people who have successful relationships and marriages, but the majority are a big mess.
Depends on what you consider confidence. Most rational men see confidence as the accumulation of experience and success. This however neglects what women and low iq men see as confidence, for example the emotionally unstable, violent gangbangers who will sexually assault a woman at a “club” are considered confident simply because they don’t fear repercussions for their actions. Similar are the men who act like the loudest monkeys to imitate animal hierarchy, it’s a low iq tactic, but is proven successful with women because tingles outweigh reason.
I'm not sure, but it's a very tricky subject. The line of cautious confidence in your own skill is the perfect medium; but below that is both the un-challenged confidence of the ignorant and the over-zealous confidence of the insecure. But then above that line is the arrogance of the smug, and the idiocy and insanity of the truly brilliant.
Then, combine all of that with all the types of people who lack confidence.
There are so many people who are wrongly confident at all levels of intelligence, I would bet that there's basically no IQ correlation to "confidence". But I suspect what they're calling confidence is really just "verbal and physical displays of dominance".
I would assume he's referring to things like the Dunning-Kruger effect where more low IQ types are ignorant but wrong & incompetent while higher IQ types tend to be more introspective & cautious knowing the things they don't know.
It's both. You can develop confidence by achieving goals and basically learning to trust yourself and your abilities. You can also develop it through sheer ignorance. Recall how confidently the idiots told you to trust the experts and take the clot shot.
Women actually know exactly what they are selecting for and they're selecting for what benefits them most for what they're looking for.
Women like hot men. Hot men are tough guys with decisive leadership, with money, fame and influence.
If women aren't picking the right kind of men that society wants them to pick, that's because there's an issue with society.
Why are criminals allowed to workout? Why are criminals fed lots of food? Why are criminals allowed to have tattoos? You go to prison, let's have all tattoos covered over, feed them barely enough to survive and don't let them hit the gym. You know, what society still does to POWs.
Let's actually send criminals to prison for a long time too.
Why are low IQ guys able to sell drugs for years and make a profit? Let's legalize the recreational drug industry and reduce their profit to $0.
Why are hot guys able to pimp women for money? Let's make whoring 100% illegal and put the women in prison for life. If you profit off OnlyFans, even $1, you go to prison for 25 years.
Let's cut all social programs and welfare spending so low lives can barely get by and so women can stop leaching off hard working men who pay taxes. Let's abolish child support so unemployed men don't have an advantage over employed men in being able to impregnate whomever without care. Let's make women work for men for their income instead of whoring to the government so they're forced to desire rich men.
Let's allow minor domestic disputes to be solved with violence without punishing anyone. Let's stop assuming the man is in the wrong always and let men hit misbehaving women. The women want to get slapped when they deserve it and this will equal the playing field with low life's who currently hit women because they have nothing to lose but the engineering doesn't because he's got too much to lose. Let the engineer hit misbehaving women without fear of the law.
Blame women all you want and that's fine, I do too but we need to stop pretending we don't have a society with laws that encourage exactly what the women are doing because we do. Change the laws and we can easily change women's preferences around.
Women always select the best genes, it's instinctive, natural and is the pure basis for the theory of evolution.
You could maybe have made this argument a century ago. I don’t think people realize how badly birth control has fucked up the female ability to mate select. It changes their brain function, hormones, their ability to smell pheromones, and even their ability to find a matching endocrine/immune system.
hoe_math is pretty prone to several pretty schizo wall of texts X posts on a daily basis, so you have to take each individual one with a grain of salt because they seem like a stream of consciousness based on how he's feeling at any given moment (which generally seems tired & irritable).
But I agree that in general he's pretty based, especially for a fairly successful YouTuber who hasn't been canceled yet AFAICT.
His last full length video called "Swordpilled" was trying to walk the line between good men being dominant & women pathologically being attracted to criminals & assholes.
His thesis is that women are VERY turned off by weakness in men. They will choose violent & sociopathic men every time over weak, nice guys.
He was trying to expand on the idea that you don't have to be an asshole to attract women, but you have to be capable of being a dangerous monster but then have the discipline not to use it unless forced.
I'm not sure exactly how it overlaps with genetics re: strength, confidence, courage, capacity for violence, etc.
But more recently he's been trying to tease nuance out of the "women love Dark Triad traits" to have good men succeed in establishing families and saving Western civilization that he constantly pearlclutches about.
Is this true? If so, it seems like a pretty strong argument against IQ as the be-all end-all. I’d much rather myself/my children were fairly average with enough confidence to take action than really smart but nervous about doing anything.
Women are simply not turned on by studious, cautious engineers and businessmen with smart plans for the future. They are turned on by rock stars, rappers, athletes, serial killers, and gang members.
They are turned on by status, and status is given to Men by other Men. If Men bought jerseys with engineers names on them and paid money to go watch engineers work each Sunday then engineers would be sex symbols.
Yes I know this doesn't include the violent sex symbols which is a separate minority.
His personal body count is in the triple digits, which is part of what gives him credibility with his dysmorphic & low value younger fans.
But now he's middle-aged & hit the wall himself relatively while being very isolated & prone to depression with little positives in his life beyond his newfound YT wealth, finding purpose in his content creation & his love for mountains.
He also humblebrags a lot that his DMs are constantly full of thots tempting him by sending him very slutty & immoral offers. Supposedly he's already succumbed to temptation thrice.
It's genetically impossible for the vast majority of men to ever be desirable to be interesting to women. The only way hope we have of reproducing is by removing women's choice.
I realized in my early 20s that I was not getting attention from women because I was being far too polite and treating women with far too much respect. They see that as weakness, for some strange reason.
I observed the guys I had been turned down for and began to emulate their idiotic behavior.
Began to act like a violent chauvenistic asshole who spoke ill of all women in front of other women, bullied other men to establish my position in their hierarchy of retardation, and acted dumb on purpose. Suddenly, I had "passed the test" and started getting laid left and right.
I was finally getting what I wanted but had to act like a complete piece of shit to get it. That didn't make me happy at all, and made me lose any real respect I had left for women. If me acting retarded is what "gets them going", that's just fucking gross.
I've noticed the same thing. Guys saying "a woman belongs in the kitchen" were getting a ton of action, it was unreal.
I think somewhere deep in their subconscious, women know feminism was a mistake, but they're too invested and too proud to consciously admit it to themselves. Which is a big part of why most of them are on antidepressants.
There are those that can admit it. They are rare to be sure; many will not believe they exist.
I think women are subconsciously just looking for a guy who can protect them from other guys. We're pretty much just "rape prevention" in their heads and us beating our chests like apes and being an asshole to people unnecessarily somehow proves that we can hold our own against other humans. I never understood the attraction to someone being mean to women, though.
I was going on planned, calculated, rage-filled rants in front of desireable female coworkers about other female coworkers and what retarded worthless cunts they were. That earned sexy-points, for some reason I cannot fathom. You'd think that would make them steer clear, but no. Entirely non-intuitive rules in that retarded game.
"Don't try to understand women. Women understand women and they hate each other." - Al Bundy
As I get older, this quote becomes more and more real to me
Women don't really understand women though either.
They do hate each other. But that's mostly just emotional reactions, jealousy and hierarchical power games.
Its a stupid quote on par with "happy wife happy life". Women, and men, are simple creatures. Men are at fault for trying to twist themselves into pretzels trying to overcomplicate attracting a woman, something so simple a fucking chimp in the jungle figures out in 10 seconds.
Men have just ingested layers upon layers of idiotic propaganda to the point where we don't even know the basics. Women want a dominant man. There, female nature understood. Stop playing their games and be in control. Stop simping. Stop being submissive. Stop trying to rescue messed up hoes by being nice.
This is something I noted years ago on my old, compromised account. 21st Century men of European stock have become far too imbued with manners, chivalry and other markers of a sophisticated, intelligent human being that society sadly makes clear it no longer wants. The fact is women don't like that in a man anymore. They prefer men to be brutish, macho and upfront, which is why so many of them become mudsharks. And you have to change an awful lot about yourself in this day and age if you want to have a fraction of the sex life our parents enjoyed.
What does compromised mean in cases like this? I realize you weren't OP.
Hacked? Doxed? Forgotten password? Linked to another personal account when DFE?
Check the score/ratio of the last few posts I made for about a month or more. Someone got EXTREMELY upset over pointing out the transport lobby's attempt to overtake the internet and meme "walkable cities" into a universally a benevolent thing instead of a trojan horse for increasingly harsh and invasive governmental surveillance measures by forcefully locking down people into smaller urban areas, taking away a lot of their transport choice, and forcing them to register themselves in various CBDC-type systems before they're allowed to leave.
So every fucking thing I posted got -15'd within hours of being posted, regardless of what it was about. If you hover over the points you can see how bad it got. So rather than continue, I moved on to a new account.
I know who at least one of the main actors were; it's a Swede whose username literally means "fire brigade" who had a strange raceplay fetish and a fantasy for white men being raped by gun-toting blacks, but I don't know if it was just that one faggot with alts and no life, or a co-ordinated gayop on somewhere like Discord or some faggy IB. Might even be intelligence annoyed I'm poking holes in their pet project. But either way, I don't think I'll be going back to it.
No, they want a guy that's dominant not a pussy. All that shit is lame crap betas make up to cloak their weak behavior as virtuous. You aren't well mannered, you're submissive. You aren't chivalrous, you're trying to be so nice to placate people around you so they like you. You aren't sophisticated, you're soft.
Its misplaced desire for dominant men. It's not that complicated.
Life favors dominance in men. Its natural.
Emphasis on "misplaced". Women shouldn't want a man with murderous tendencies that calls them a "bitch" most of the day or manhandles/beats them around. But it's what they tend to prefer.
Its because she is being a bitch and will only respect the guy that calls her out on it.
Its shit testing. Why should she respect a guy that she can control with her games. The dude that says shut up and leave if you're gonna be a bitch and is willing to throw her ass out of his house for misbehavior is a dominant man.
When they don't have proper guidance from men, they gravitate towards the only men that won't submit to them, which is often the guys that don't respect anybody or anyone's rules.
Your opinion on what is attractive in a man is irrelevant though. The whole point is what women think is attractive.
Men are weak, isolated, and demoralized. Men are the leaders and protectors of society, and its time to stop blaming women, who we know are not going to lead us, and start blaming the weak men that got us here and maintain our weakness. How many men do you know over the age of 40 that actually stand for other men? Not just trying to curtail them and force them into some form of cultural feminism. We live in simp culture, and simps are to blame.
The other point of view here is that women can't just fuck every guy who holds open a door for them. Being "nice" is easy.
The argument I have heard countless times from bitter men is "She likes guy X who treats her bad and is an asshole, while I buy her dinner and flowers and listen to her complain about stuff. She should go out with me instead of him."
The funniest part is half the time I know guy X who is totally NOT an asshole, he's just not an obnoxious simp who tries to pay women for their affection. So the door holding argument stands because it's always weak men whining that women pass them over despite their "qualities" that literally any normal human being has and that shouldn't entitle them to anything.
And these guys are always mooning over some 10/10 knockout who is completely out of their league while passing over a perfectly fine 4-6 who might actually like them but she's ugly so eww no thanks.
So while yes I agree that women are bad at picking men, men are also very stupid about how they approach women and try to get their attention. To be fair, a lot of this is the fault of women for raising boys to be pussies, while boomer dads ignored the problem.
Being nice is also a turn off. Acts of service and submission in order to gain favor. No wonder women don't want men like that.
It's basic hypergamy, women want to date up so it serves to reason (in women logic) that any man who is nice to them doesn't have other options, and is therefore beneath them. So while they don't actually enjoy being treated like crap, the aloof guy gets their attention by his lack of attachment to the outcome. If he doesn't care how she feels, it has to be because he has options and that automatically makes him higher value.
Once you understand this you can be the 'cocky jerk' without treating women 'bad' and get everything you want out of relationships. But for some men the conditioning is so bad the realization that the world doesn't work how they've been taught is overwhelming.
Well said. Most men have been taught to submit to women in order to get rewarded. This is female thinking. Female get rewarded for submitting to the opposite sex.
I took my now wife shooting on our first date. Taught her how to handle and load a pistol, let her shoot a few mags. Then I loaded a full mag, took the pistol from her, put the target range out to 100ft, and proceeded to rapid fire the whole mag into the ten ring with one hand.
The look she gave me is indescribable.
You don't have to be an "asshole", necessarily. I'm polite but firm to my wife(and I treat most other women lower than a pair of socks). But it definitely helps to be good at violence. A man should be anyway.
As Napoleon Dynamite once said, chicks like guys with skills. A man with no skills is evolutionarily worthless. Like it or not, men have to be useful to people to have value.
Women are human beings. Men are human doings.
Sure you did. Lol
How many people around here have actually shot guns?
I suck at shooting but def doable by well trained people. Most of my family can shoot this well.
Do you understand how hard it is to consistently put pistol rounds in the 10 ring at 100 feet with BOTH hands, letting the gun rest between shots? The 10 ring is the bullseye. We're not talking rifles here.
Ah I see. Not sure what 10 ring refers to. If so, that's deadeye shooting and prob embellished.
Yeah, the 10 ring is the bullseye.
I've been shooting since I was five, I still shoot twice a month, and I've been doing three gun my entire adult life. I was never nationally ranked but I am nonetheless an excellent shot.
Deal with it.
Oh, I can deal with all that just fine. The part where you did something even Ben Stoeger probably couldn't do is where I part ways.
But you're welcome to show me proof of anyone doing this, not even you.
It was an eight round mag on a .22. Those have less recoil than an electric toothbrush. It's not like I pulled that off with 1911 or something heavy.
Well, the Olympic air pistol comp is one-handed at only 33 feet, with a .177 air pistol that has the recoil of a mouse pissing on cotton, only one shot at a time. Admittedly the target circle is about 3 times smaller than a typical gun target, but the distance is also 3 times smaller than your feat. Consistent 10s will get you a gold medal. So I expect to see you on the podium next time.
I didn't make the team when I was in my twenties, I'm certainly not going to bother now that I have five kids.
Uh huh. And then your wife died and some Russians broke into your house, stole your car, and killed your dog.
Nah, she's alive and well and making me a sandwich.
Mention being a dominant man with an obedient wife and all the incels scoff lol.
Well in fairness I was bragging, no denying that. But I don't believe in false modesty, if you're good you're good, simple as that. But honestly, nobody comes to this rinky dink forum to listen to a forty year old man talk about how he can't fish for shit or how he dances like he's trying to find his keys. I'm not a negative person and I'm not going to wallow in my own personal deficiencies, that's only good if you actually want to be depressed.
I put a lifetime of effort into learning to shoot. Moreso because unlike my father I'm not inherently talented at it. And I'm proud of it, that's all there is to it.
And it probably sounds like these are also the worst type of women to actually be in a relationship with because they were selecting for sex, and you were not selecting for a relationship.
Anyone attracted by a monkey mask is dangerous and must remain fully disposable.
That's a lot of words to say "women are retarded". Complaining is cathartic, but I'm more interested in what we're going to do about it.
The answer is to take away their rights. Woman casting a ballot? In the trash it goes. Wants to go to college? Maybe after providing proof she's had kids. Signing up for Onlyfans? Well, that's a honeytrap that notifies her family (the men, of course). Fathers control who gets to court their daughters.
But, it's really just a dream. A combined 88% of men believe women's rights are just right or not enough. Implementing this won't be fighting women (they can't), it'll be fighting those 88% of men and impossible.
If only that covid jab was as lethal as some were saying.
The OP hoe_math himself is essentially a retired, aged out manwhore who has personally given up on women or a traditional family life as he approaches 40.
He's retreated to the woods with no friends or family and now hoards YT wealth by whining & doodling about the nature of women & shitlibs while forecasting the collapse of Western civilization.
He's like an anon Jordan Peterson wannabe with cleaner living but the same dysthymic & neurotic streaks.
That’s why he understands what’s happening.
I didn't say he was wrong.
Just giving context & origin story.
The problem with hoe_math is that he's great at making observations, but shit at giving advise.
He's begun to devolve into boomer-isms where he insists that getting together with your group of personal friends, forming a militia-like group, and banding together against the world will solve all your ills and get you the girl.
Which, uh, sounds great, except he keeps ignoring the fucking whale in the room and seems blind to anyone pointing out the downsides of this plan.
Agree for the most part re: the advice part.
What is the "'fucking whale in the room?", honest question?
The lack of actionable advice is a pitfall that befalls lots of influencers who suddenly find themselves as a leader for the disenfranchised.
Look at Jordan Peterson for one. He went from every young man's e-daddy to a drug-addled, sniveling Zio shill husk of a man denying that he's even a Christian real quick.
I think of Jeremy MacKenzie, the Canadian meme leader of Diagolon that emerged out of the trucker convoy. He's a Canadian Afghanistan vet who rose to somewhat viral fame with his controversial podcast with a decent following among middle-aged & fitness-minded purebloods.
But he mostly has shirked the mantle of providing solutions to a demographic that needs some whitepilling. Three years later, he's still just ranting on his podcast solo for donos, blackpilling, picking stupid Internet fights with potential allies & declaring there's no political solution & washing his hands of everything.
There's no leadership besides the tired old RW dissident tropes of hitting the gym & finding your frens.
hoe_math has a few problems when it comes to the advice part
He's not successful in life or romance himself besides his YT shekels. I've heard him openly tell people "Don't be like me. I'm miserable."
Though he recommends against being a promiscuous Chad of a young man, he's also very openly proud about his 12-15 year hoe phase himself. His main complaint about it is that he aged out & it's over. Other than his intelligence (which brought him near zero professional success before YT fame), he derives a lot of his self-worth from the fact that he was so fuckable in his younger days. Which is very feminine behavior.
Given his lack of professional success pre-YT (and his belief that numerous women rejected a LTR with him because of his low status & lack of wealth), his primary concern is making YT bank to make up for lost time.
isn't he the opposite of that? he says that sure he had abs and got the chicks, but that was otherwise sort of a piece of crap and that he regrets it.
He does tell people not to emulate his current life. But the problem is still that a lot of his self-worth and branding wrapped up in his years of being self-reportedly ridiculously successful and promiscuous on the casual sex market.
He laments a lot that he used to be "an eight" but now he's got old, isn't pretty enough anymore and doesn't get IRL attention from women like he used to when he was more cut (though he's still getting unsolicited offers in his DMs online because of his new fame & status as an e-celeb).
He also still gives advice to young men that it's fine to fool around with casual sex for a while like he did before getting serious because women like men with "experience".
So while he mostly lived a life of sexual depravity before going viral, he's only partially remorseful.
I'm sure if he had to do it again, he'd still rather have high body counts rather than be a hopeless loser incel like a lot of his audience.
TLDR, Government. Or society, if you prefer. They tend to blend together.
Credit where credit is due, he atleast admits this in his more recent posting. So, progress, I guess?
You just described with 100% accuracy the vast majority of mgtow men. Losers and washed up man whores who are upset they don't get strange puss so easily as it was in 2005
Wait what, he's fucking 40?!
He's either about to turn 40 or recently turned.
He talks a lot about being washed up & middle-aged in his livestreams where people ask him questions.
That's fucking sad
He could easily just buy a kid via surrogacy if he wanted to fill his void with something genuine
IIRC, he's one of those "I don't want kids unless she wants kids" types.
So he's a no good degen
Kids are a blessing and the literal fucking reason to do ANYTHING in this life
Because if you don't plan to reproduce your legacy dies with you and there will nothing left of the family name
In gamer terms, children allow you to basically re-experience things via a third party, thus reigniting the same feelings of discovery
The dude should really look into kids, they're awesome.
Women aren't retarded. They just stand to gain nothing by attaching themselves to submissive men. Welfare pays more and chad fucks better. What good is a beta bux deluxe anymore?
Women haven't been able to select their sexual partners freely for 99.9% of human history. Their mating instincts have never evolved beyond fucking the biggest and most violent ape in the jungle.
I was listening to a podcast the other day reviewing a book about historic mating rituals & sexual repression in tribes.
Rituals such as sending your fiancée to be vetted by living with her MIL first for 6 months.
Or marriage rituals by having the father demonstrably & publicly break the hymen by hand in front of the entire tribe in a ritual to demonstrate purity with blood flow. Where the tribe would either cheer at the sight of blood or stone the woman to death if she was found to be unchaste.
The book, which I forgot the name & author, posited that no civilization survives 3 generations once female sexual suppression is lifted.
It's almost as though all these isolated & very different cultures knew what they were doing when they in parallel put societal guardrails on female mate selection.
That sounds very interesting. I'd love to listen to that podcast or read that book.
I've heard similar sentiments before various times and it's hard not to acknowledge that it's very plausible at the very least. The implication is always that we're next in line as a society, but I fear that our technological sophistication and level of abundance relative to those past failed societies is so high that it could keep our society going in a sort of zombie, semi-collapsed state. Or perhaps "death" as a society this time simply entails being overrun with third worlders who eventually take over.
Link to Blood Satellite podcast on YT
Not really sure why, but their YT clips are always several months behind their actual podcast.
The book review clip appears to be from Feb, Full Episode #287 on their website.
It's a great podcast BTW, though I mostly listen to their clips from time to time.
Two Canadian good ole boy racist dissidents who are very well read and very interested in the collapse and new systems to come.
TBH, I consider myself reasonably intelligent and I find their content a little too high brow for me, always reviewing history & big ideas.
Thank you!
You're welcome.
Huh, I guess I was paying less attention to the book review than I thought (I had it in the background while playing vidya)
Wiki for Sex & Culture (1935) by JD Unwin
Didn't realize the book was that old. Still very prophetic 90 years later.
Unwin seems to be a Brit, an Oxford Scholar & a WWI vet.
He died at 40 the year after the book was published from complications from a medical procedure.
Womp womp. Thanks, definitely adding it to the list to read.
This isn't true. The issue is that women aren't using long-term time preference because we live in a short-term time preference society. Most of these women's grandmothers would have emphasized marrying doctors and engineers (the same way most Asian and Indian parents do in the US) specifically because a womans investment in a man before the peak of his success is the best way to keep him and benefit from his long-term social status.
Women, like men, were basically not taught how or why to have a long-term time preference; because they were effectively raised by parents who were mental children.
You mean we live in a gynocentric society with birth control. This occurred everywhere birth control occurred without fail including Asia and India. India is less than half the birth rate of the late 80s and nearly 1/3 of 1960. There are plenty of short term preference cultures with high birth rates historically. The difference here is that birth control does damage to women’s hormones and their ability to pair bond and select mates, and that’s aside from the “positive” of birth control lowering risk for pregnancy.
Most women’s grandmas were rabid feminists who sent their husbands to war while they demanded “equality”. The only reason they would tell their granddaughters to go after a doctor is to entrap them, just like Asian and Indian grandmothers do currently with their used up 30 year old granddaughters begging for an arranged marriage because the rappers didn’t commit. There’s also the sad fact that men in Asian and Indian households are treated like pay pigs by their matriarchal spouses, mothers, and daughters.
You mean they were raised by women. There’s a reason the single parent birth rate is exploding across the board and it’s because women were taught by feminists to waste their potential for a Bosch painting and then pop out a kid after they lose any ability to pair bond.
The modern redpill accounts for the long-term female dating strategy by the concept of "husband material" that you outline.
Where women who have hit the wall & had their fun suddenly "settle" for a "husband material" betabux nice guy provider to fund their lifestyle with a dead bedroom while they pine for Chad like Rose in Titanic.
Titanic wouldn't be in the list of highest-grossing movies ever if it didn't resonate with so many women.
How does the phrase go? For women, Titanic is a love story. For men, Titanic is a horror story.
WTF I love birth control now.
No, I mean short-term time preference society with birth control. The issue isn't a 1:1 - If short term time preference THEN falling birth rates. That doesn't make sense and I didn't argue it.
Short term-time preference is the biggest issue in addition to all the other failure of a modern western society. I don't think we live in a gynocentric society, I think "women's sexual empowerment" is one avenue of attack by Leftism (which is mostly men anyway).
Total fiction. Most Feminists of the era were opposed to what we have today, and most women weren't Feminists. Feminism has never been majority popular among women, even now. Most of these women's grand parents fully accepted the traditional gender roles, they just didn't see why political obstructions needed to be made to keep women from working.
There is a huge difference between, "I wanna be an engineer", and "50% of all engineers must be women, start firing men until we get to the right number."
Calm down, imp. Short-term time preference and modern hedonism are not exclusively the domain of women and women alone. Being raised by only Dad, or by only Mom and Dad, doesn't negate the short-term time preference and hedonism that we're seeing. They're just less bad than single mothers.
Now that's just silly. You don't lose the ability to pair bond simply by being old, or even promiscuous. It's difficult to do it because if someone hasn't been pair-bonding their whole life until their 40, then yes, they will struggle, but not because they lost a literal biological imperative.
If you don’t believe we live in a gynocentric society you are beyond retarded. The welfare state, forced gendered hiring, rights without responsibility, gender disparities in jail sentences, lowered physical standards, alimony, and kangaroo rape courts are amongst dozens of other government enforced gynocentrism.
This is hilarious revisionism. Most feminists of the era were pushing exactly for what we have today, which is gynocentric intersectionalism. You would have to be swallowing a metric ton of revision bullshit to believe the women pumping out 1 million plus abortions a year after roe just wanted “to work”. The grandparents today are the ones that collapsed the traditional gender roles.
I agree, and history shows it was never “I want to be an engineer” that was propaganda made after the fact to sell the removal gender roles. This is the same stupidity that was “gays just want to be married”, it might be pretty to believe but it was never the case and if you studied early feminism it’s blatantly obvious.
“Dads aren’t important in the household to prevent female hypergamy” is this really the argument you want to make?
“Pheromones, the endocrine system, and hormones don’t impact your ability to pair bond, it’s entirely psychological!” Really? At least try to make an argument this isn’t this pathetic at face value. Pair bonding is an inherent biological trait in social creatures. Promiscuity impacts the female endocrine system, it also impacts their ability to sense pheromones (which impacts their ability to pair bond), birth control does this and more as well.
This is probably the answer. We live in a society of people who were raised by fools who live their life pleasure by pleasure with no long term outlook or moral backing. Their kids are the same or worse and live based on their lower facilities rather than using the higher ones.
There obviously are still many people who have successful relationships and marriages, but the majority are a big mess.
Interesting idea, anyone got how big this correlation is? I see confidence more in correlation with success at the 30s age bracket then anything else.
Depends on what you consider confidence. Most rational men see confidence as the accumulation of experience and success. This however neglects what women and low iq men see as confidence, for example the emotionally unstable, violent gangbangers who will sexually assault a woman at a “club” are considered confident simply because they don’t fear repercussions for their actions. Similar are the men who act like the loudest monkeys to imitate animal hierarchy, it’s a low iq tactic, but is proven successful with women because tingles outweigh reason.
I'm not sure, but it's a very tricky subject. The line of cautious confidence in your own skill is the perfect medium; but below that is both the un-challenged confidence of the ignorant and the over-zealous confidence of the insecure. But then above that line is the arrogance of the smug, and the idiocy and insanity of the truly brilliant.
Then, combine all of that with all the types of people who lack confidence.
There are so many people who are wrongly confident at all levels of intelligence, I would bet that there's basically no IQ correlation to "confidence". But I suspect what they're calling confidence is really just "verbal and physical displays of dominance".
I would assume he's referring to things like the Dunning-Kruger effect where more low IQ types are ignorant but wrong & incompetent while higher IQ types tend to be more introspective & cautious knowing the things they don't know.
It's both. You can develop confidence by achieving goals and basically learning to trust yourself and your abilities. You can also develop it through sheer ignorance. Recall how confidently the idiots told you to trust the experts and take the clot shot.
Women actually know exactly what they are selecting for and they're selecting for what benefits them most for what they're looking for.
Women like hot men. Hot men are tough guys with decisive leadership, with money, fame and influence.
If women aren't picking the right kind of men that society wants them to pick, that's because there's an issue with society.
Why are criminals allowed to workout? Why are criminals fed lots of food? Why are criminals allowed to have tattoos? You go to prison, let's have all tattoos covered over, feed them barely enough to survive and don't let them hit the gym. You know, what society still does to POWs.
Let's actually send criminals to prison for a long time too.
Why are low IQ guys able to sell drugs for years and make a profit? Let's legalize the recreational drug industry and reduce their profit to $0.
Why are hot guys able to pimp women for money? Let's make whoring 100% illegal and put the women in prison for life. If you profit off OnlyFans, even $1, you go to prison for 25 years.
Let's cut all social programs and welfare spending so low lives can barely get by and so women can stop leaching off hard working men who pay taxes. Let's abolish child support so unemployed men don't have an advantage over employed men in being able to impregnate whomever without care. Let's make women work for men for their income instead of whoring to the government so they're forced to desire rich men.
Let's allow minor domestic disputes to be solved with violence without punishing anyone. Let's stop assuming the man is in the wrong always and let men hit misbehaving women. The women want to get slapped when they deserve it and this will equal the playing field with low life's who currently hit women because they have nothing to lose but the engineering doesn't because he's got too much to lose. Let the engineer hit misbehaving women without fear of the law.
Blame women all you want and that's fine, I do too but we need to stop pretending we don't have a society with laws that encourage exactly what the women are doing because we do. Change the laws and we can easily change women's preferences around.
You could maybe have made this argument a century ago. I don’t think people realize how badly birth control has fucked up the female ability to mate select. It changes their brain function, hormones, their ability to smell pheromones, and even their ability to find a matching endocrine/immune system.
Girls start birth control early just to avoid period cramps, and they always seem to be perpetually anxious and more neurotic than usual as adults.
This. If women really were selecting for the best genes each generation of kids wouldn't be shorter, fatter, dumber and gayer.
Women do not select the best genes.
Most of human history has not been under environmental conditions where individual fertile women were selecting mates.
This. Every culture from chimpanzees to what was the West a century ago controlled their women. Arranged marriages were the norm.
hoe_math is pretty prone to several pretty schizo wall of texts X posts on a daily basis, so you have to take each individual one with a grain of salt because they seem like a stream of consciousness based on how he's feeling at any given moment (which generally seems tired & irritable).
But I agree that in general he's pretty based, especially for a fairly successful YouTuber who hasn't been canceled yet AFAICT.
His last full length video called "Swordpilled" was trying to walk the line between good men being dominant & women pathologically being attracted to criminals & assholes.
His thesis is that women are VERY turned off by weakness in men. They will choose violent & sociopathic men every time over weak, nice guys.
He was trying to expand on the idea that you don't have to be an asshole to attract women, but you have to be capable of being a dangerous monster but then have the discipline not to use it unless forced.
I'm not sure exactly how it overlaps with genetics re: strength, confidence, courage, capacity for violence, etc.
But more recently he's been trying to tease nuance out of the "women love Dark Triad traits" to have good men succeed in establishing families and saving Western civilization that he constantly pearlclutches about.
Is this true? If so, it seems like a pretty strong argument against IQ as the be-all end-all. I’d much rather myself/my children were fairly average with enough confidence to take action than really smart but nervous about doing anything.
Confidence is for annoying retards who are unfit for life. Displaying confidence is a quick way to make me hate you.
Counterpoint:
They are turned on by status, and status is given to Men by other Men. If Men bought jerseys with engineers names on them and paid money to go watch engineers work each Sunday then engineers would be sex symbols.
Yes I know this doesn't include the violent sex symbols which is a separate minority.
I would suggest that Hoe Math stop going for women by following their IQ selection trends.
Might find with all that extra free time that they could be interesting all by themselves.
He's been poisoned by his very own fame.
His personal body count is in the triple digits, which is part of what gives him credibility with his dysmorphic & low value younger fans.
But now he's middle-aged & hit the wall himself relatively while being very isolated & prone to depression with little positives in his life beyond his newfound YT wealth, finding purpose in his content creation & his love for mountains.
He also humblebrags a lot that his DMs are constantly full of thots tempting him by sending him very slutty & immoral offers. Supposedly he's already succumbed to temptation thrice.
Where are you getting this info about him from?
So even when he still gets pussy, he is not content and still depressed
This proves my theory that sex will not fill the hole in your soul, the only thing that will is God's grace and your very own children
The lack of children pretty much dooms you because you have no stake in the future
It's genetically impossible for the vast majority of men to ever be desirable to be interesting to women. The only way hope we have of reproducing is by removing women's choice.
Women need to be property again.