End result of gynocentric societies
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The other point of view here is that women can't just fuck every guy who holds open a door for them. Being "nice" is easy.
The argument I have heard countless times from bitter men is "She likes guy X who treats her bad and is an asshole, while I buy her dinner and flowers and listen to her complain about stuff. She should go out with me instead of him."
The funniest part is half the time I know guy X who is totally NOT an asshole, he's just not an obnoxious simp who tries to pay women for their affection. So the door holding argument stands because it's always weak men whining that women pass them over despite their "qualities" that literally any normal human being has and that shouldn't entitle them to anything.
And these guys are always mooning over some 10/10 knockout who is completely out of their league while passing over a perfectly fine 4-6 who might actually like them but she's ugly so eww no thanks.
So while yes I agree that women are bad at picking men, men are also very stupid about how they approach women and try to get their attention. To be fair, a lot of this is the fault of women for raising boys to be pussies, while boomer dads ignored the problem.
Being nice is also a turn off. Acts of service and submission in order to gain favor. No wonder women don't want men like that.
It's basic hypergamy, women want to date up so it serves to reason (in women logic) that any man who is nice to them doesn't have other options, and is therefore beneath them. So while they don't actually enjoy being treated like crap, the aloof guy gets their attention by his lack of attachment to the outcome. If he doesn't care how she feels, it has to be because he has options and that automatically makes him higher value.
Once you understand this you can be the 'cocky jerk' without treating women 'bad' and get everything you want out of relationships. But for some men the conditioning is so bad the realization that the world doesn't work how they've been taught is overwhelming.
Well said. Most men have been taught to submit to women in order to get rewarded. This is female thinking. Female get rewarded for submitting to the opposite sex.