I'm noticing a trend where Desantis supporters think they're smarter than everyone else....almost like dems do
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The dude sounds like, and has the mannerisms of, a whiny middle manager.
Whatever political acumen he may have is eclipsed by his negative charisma.
I love him as gov of florida and I hope he goes into the senate or just accepts his place as florida kingmaker running foundations and commissions that keep florida blazing red after he is termed out of the governership.
Bill Clinton in 1988 was so obnoxious that people started applauding when he said 'in conclusion' to finish his speech. Four years later, he was revealed (whether you like him or not) as one of the greatest political talents of the 20th century.
I hope DeSantis can evolve similarly and move out of his boringness. He'd be great in office.
Can't disagree but I think in terms of politicking and bringing people to his side, Trump is as good or better than Clinton. The only difference is that one had the establishment backing him, and the other has them against him. The media's ability to manipulate public perception cannot be underestimated.
Yup, it's kind of funny; despite the Mean Tweets™, rambling, weird mannerisms, and sometimes looking like a total idiot, Trump is super charismatic. Some people love him, some people hate him, some people think he's a raging retard, but he's charismatic.
If you actually watch his speeches at rallies, you'd realise he's a very good speaker. But most ppl dont
Trump also repels a large number of people, or rather, the media propagandize people into being repelled by him (as you say). It will be funny though if Trump ends up being far more consequential than Clinton.
Yeah, it really is amazing how terrible the people after Clinton were. Things had been going downhill for ages, but it's still pretty stark. Not counting Trump, fucking Clinton (pun intended) was probably the best president since his term, or the previous president, Bush Sr. too. Now, to be fair, some of that was actually that the Republican majority actually tried to keep Clinton in check, so he couldn't do everything he wanted, which led to relative peace and stability, but it's still ridiculous. Also, culture plays a big role; the goals were different, so things weren't quite as stupid. Clinton was evil, but compared to Bush Sr., W Bush, Obama, and Biden, he was downright great. That's pretty dang sad.
It was happening before that. GHWB was head of the CIA.
Man when you put it like that...
Good point. And imagine if he had been given free reign. Kind of horrifying to think about. Clinton presidency with Dem House and Senate? Yikes.
Desantis showed his hand as a fuckoff during this bullshit campaign. Even me, who really hates the idpol shit so this isn't some "fuck joos" wehraboo fag shit, thinks a governor traveling to israel and trying to do foreign policy shit made him look like a fucking goblin.
Nobody following that would vote for him for a higher office, now.
What's wrong with DeSantis going to israel to kiss the wall?
It's fucking retarded posturing, wasted time and money that should be used doing his actual job.
Don't shill wehraboo garbage at me, I recognize you. I'll shove you leftists in a blender with the rest.
Okay big boy.
Oh, I thought you meant Larry first, until I got to the "governor" part. Haha.
Yeah, just personality-wise, I've always said DeSantis has the charisma of a sponge. An especially boring sponge, at that.
Okay, this is weird. Here are some of Larry's top tweets, generally from '22 and '23, some even pretty recent in late '23.
Bit of a different tone.
Thank you, Larry, very cool.
It's still so bizarre to see him now so dismissive of "swamps and establishments."
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Larry, what happened?
Hmm.
But God forbid you call out the establishment, or be angry, or "bitch about the media!" My eyes can only roll so far here, Larry.
It's a mystery how Trump can break some people so badly. I don't get how people keep falling for the "electability" myth, either. It's also amazing how not liking Trump seems to immediately make you start sounding like a liberal, no matter how based your other views are. I've said many times, Trump is imperfect. But he's the only even semi-populist in the race, which makes it hard to argue against him without coming off as a lunatic, especially if you other opinions are so anti...*cough cough* establishment.
Tds is an actual mental illness it seems
Part of Republican TDS is that Donald Trump is associated by them with stupid people. They do think they're better, and they don't want to be in a crowd with MAGA. Women ask: "How can you support such a dumb guy?" Literally. And I say that guy is a billionaire, and he didn't used to be. He's smart at something. Dealing with people, I think. Famously. High social intelligence. And I say "No, you are dumb. You think you are smart because you have a degree. 'Smart' is not a fashion or a brand of product you consoom."
This entirely explains both Trump's appeal to ordinary people and the absolute hysterical hatred the managerial class have for him: he is a very successful person who doesn't speak their language. The language he chooses to use is deliberately anti-intellectual, and it helps working class people all over the English-speaking world recognize instantly that this is not your typical politician. He sounds like he could be your neighbor, or the buddy who helps you fix your roof in exchange for a case of beer. Regardless of how genuine it is, that's a breath of fresh air for those of us outside the Cathedral.
But for those in the Cathedral, especially the manger class who are not really elites but whose entire livelihood and sense of self-worth is derived from the approval of the elites: for those people, who went to school for decades and spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to learn how to speak the language of the political class, to learn how to communicate like a smart person with other smart people, and how to conceal their sociopathy and narcissism when talking down to the plebs, the very idea of Trump is completely intolerable. His mere existence threatens the entire power structure that they've invested their lives and identities in trying to maintain. They will always lose their shit at the guy who gains political power without speaking their language, using their script or sharing their prejudices, because in doing so he reveals just how useless and unnecessary they are and just how wasted those hundreds of thousands of dollars were.
Every voter for the Left that comes out just to vote against Trump is probably cancelled out for the people coming out just to vote for him. Like, it cannot be understated how big his draw is by his rabid fanbase. I don't have to agree with them or even think they are particularly smart or good people to recognize they exist.
Which is where all the "electability" discussion fails. It only talks about how the Left will come out in droves against him and ignores how many people on the Right wouldn't vote at all if it isn't for him.
Because they've either given up on the system working at all or think everyone else is a plant. Or simply just love him that much for how much he pisses off everyone else. I know entire towns worth of guys who live for "WHAT UP SNOWFLAKES WHOSE OFFENDED TODAY!?!" who hadn't voted in years prior.
Its certainly a discussion worth having about his chances and how badly it might increase the other side's turnout, but they only ever present one half of the equation.
"Electability" is code for they know Democrats are going to try to steal the election. Maybe they'll go easy on us if the nominee isn't Donald Trump after they steal the election.
The idea that a particular terror cell would be willing to cheat to prevent Trump from taking office but not willing to cheat to prevent a person with a different name that their NPC firmware tells them is evil is something I can't understand anyone believing.
The election was stolen in 2020, completely verifiably and without consequences for this criminal behavior. Also, voter fraud has been going on for many many years in ways that were less outrageous and impactful: see the over 100% voter turnout in big cities.
Vote stuffing is very hard to catch with anonymous ballot. It would only ever look like voting workers entering ballots. Even the ballot-box stuffing we saw is unnecessary if you can get one person on the inside.
That's definitely a big factor. But to be fair, and argue against myself here, it is also true that, although Trump is very popular among a bunch of Republicans, he's also very unpopular among others. I'm not sure how it all rolls out in net terms, but it is worth mentioning that, just like Trump can draw out people who would otherwise not vote, there are plenty of Republicans who will not vote because it's Trump too.
Again, I think that's all largely pointless though, if you come from my perspective that Trump is enough of an outlier to risk it for. I could be "safer" (allegedly) and support DeSantis. It's up to each individual to determine the risk versus reward of any "electability" arguments.
Because the people making the argument often either hate Trump, or are all in on another candidate. It's almost always an either intentionally or unintentionally biased argument. Now, yes, there are some people who actually believe it, and are arguing in good faith, but a lot of them aren't.
Trump’s approval rating among Republican voters vacillates between 85-90%. He is the most popular politician among republicans since Reagan. The only people who disapprove of Trump are neo cons and RINOs. The only reason you think these people represent anything other than a gigantic outlier is the fact that they comprise about 95% of conservatives politicians, media, and pundits. The “party” is wildly disconnected from the base.
Right and I had meant to imply that point with what I was saying, though perhaps it didn't come across. Its just that its mostly always presented one sided wherein because some won't vote for him no matter what, plenty also will. And those numbers are probably both huge.
I don't particularly hold pro or anti Trump arguments as inherently wrong, because I have plenty of reservations about him and plenty of positives. But I truly hate TDS and people who argue like retards regardless of the topic.
Yup, one hundred percent agreed. And, like I said, it's often just due to obvious bias.
Yup, also agreed.
Very well said, and a convincing argument. Although I am curious how midterms compare to presidential elections in general, without Trump.
All Correia is saying, is that the swamp and establishment are CELEBRATING Trumps win. Why?
BTW there are no viable RNC candidates. After all, Rand Paul isn't running.
For some young politicians, "failed" presidential campaigns are notches in the belt. DeSantis is, I think, this way. The rest i don't think want to run against Trump unless they are explicitly catering to anti-Trump sentiment. The Trump hangers-on, like Vivek, are/were doing it for the publicity.
De Santis is a real alternative, policy-wise and temperament-wise, but he also has a long time to win. Whatever people say about wanting a younger President, they don't vote that way.
DeSantis may be an alternative, but he still isn't a viable candidate. He is extremely anti-constitution especially the first amendment. A viable candidate must be able to win the election, but he also must actually be for white Americans. After all what is the point to having someone with an (R) after their name as president if they aren't going to help us? Trump and DeSantis have loudly declared their loyalty to Israel and jews, and Vivek and Nimarata are, like all Indians, loyal to India. Who fights for whites?
Being anti-Constitution is a positive for anyone on the Right these days, since there's no point of purposefully handicapping yourself with rules that the Left doesn't follow (and hasn't followed for more than a century, if ever).
Except he is kneecapping the ability to criticize prominent democrats with his anti-anti-Semitism laws. Aka, laws that will only ever be enforced against whites.
Sure, DeSantis sucks on this issue and is obviously owned by Israel.
The point more broadly is 1A doesn't survive bad actors funding unlimited psychological warfare on your citizens and a realistic effort to stop the Left is going to have to curtail 1A's broadest interpretations while also restoring the basic shit it's actually intended for (letting American men discuss how to run American society & govt)
How does being anti 1A help him as a Republican
Any Right-aligned political figure who wants to fix things has to be willing to make hard choices. Some of those hard choices mean Leftists need to get punished for evil actions. Some of those evil actions include lying, and they will screech about the 1A the entire way down, if they get what's coming to them.
Well, yeah, not those guys.
He's dismissive of it as an argument for Trump. You can't say "Trump will drain the swamp" after he's been President for four years and didn't drain the swamp. Trump was better than most, but if he was the man you need he would still be President.
Reading his recent tweets, I think he should be considered an independent rather than wasting his time with the GOP primary.
https://twitter.com/monsterhunter45/status/1747309411817951651
Why bother sticking with a party you so clearly hate
Hold on now, I'll shit on dem shills because they're retarded and wrong, or they're two faced snakes. But not just because they have confidence in their beliefs or the will to fight.
I'm not gonna back the idea that everyone has to put on this false modesty and hand wringing. If you believe something, my preference is just fucking say it. Right or wrong I'd prefer that to some hipster ironic apathy bullshit. Attack DeSantis shilling on the basis of why it's wrong, not simply on the basis that they're willing to defend their views
I think that's part of the point. OP (and I) are calling out the argument style, not necessarily the argument itself. People can believe what they want, and I don't hate people who want DeSantis. But Correia's argument does come off as elitist and manipulative, in my opinion. It's a silly and somewhat underhanded argument, that reeks of superiority. I'm admittedly biased, but still, I don't like how this comes off.
Why do you imagine dialectic does anything at all? Rhetoric is all that matters.
Eh, caustic asshole talk rolls right off my back I guess so can overlook his tone. I hate manipulative though, so if he's being manipulative I'd prefer to call him out for that directly. Are the people he's (vaguely) claiming are happy not actually happy? Call him a tard for that by all means.
But if we're bothering with tone, I dislike the "Ooooh, mr bigshot thinks he's so smart doesn't he fellas?" tone of the post's title even more than smug asshole tone of Larry. I don't like that slope down to performative ignorance. If I think I'm obviously smarter than someone I'd like to preserve the right to respectably rub it in their faces and vice versa.
DeSantis guys's main experience with political discussions online is being told "fuck off retard" by belligerent leftists until they fucked off or said a single slur back and got banned, so they try to emulate the smugness they were attacked with and fail at it because they're not very smart.
The weird thing is i dont see this kind of cope from haley supporters. Granted i dont know any but it's not like i know these guys personally either. Either they're so far off from me on X that i can't even see anything tangentially related to them or they just dont act that retarded
There aren't any Haley supporters posting about politics online anywhere. Nobody can point to even a single pro-Haley post or tweet on any website.
Im not sure what hes even saying here. Who, specifically, is happy about Trumps win that "we" supposedly hate?
The Democrats are salivating that they get to run against Trump again.
Correia is making an argument that the Dems set up a trap and we will pay the price for nominating Trump again.
No other RNC candidate has a chance but Trump. You are utterly delusional if you think otherwise. Trump breaks turnout records every time he runs. He did it in this very primary. DeSantis would just be Romney 2.0, both in electability and RINO bootlicking.
Trump will lose the general election thanks to his baggage.
Winning the primary and losing the general is a waste.
Trump is closer to Romney on policy and like Romney the establishment is endorsing Trump.
Iowa caucus had much lower turnout in 2024 than in 2016.
Insane comment.
Whatever "baggage" you think you he has is irrelevant. Trump puts up record-breaking numbers in every election hes been in, including this very primary. Thats indisputable fact. DeSantis does not do that. He barely won Florida and is a dud of a public speaker. Nobody in this country wants another boring, stuffy conservative like him. Hell, has anyone ever wanted someone like him? I cant think of a single one in the last 50 years who's won a huge office. He's a loser, and so is every butthurt nerd who supports him.
Trump will lose in 2024 and you will get to enjoy Biden's horrific second term.
Clowns like you are so braindead that you prefer the guy who lost Arizona and Georgia as a Republican over the guy who won Florida by 19 points in 2022.
It's stunning that anyone pretends that US elections are above-board and that concerns about "electability" matter when the Regime that runs the USA openly brags about how they'll fortify the election (using military if necessary) to prevent Americans from choosing their own government.
You're talking with someone who literally hates you if you dont support desantis completely
If this is the current state of things, why would you run the incompetent retard who got baited and played once again?
You also havent said who specifically is happy about Trumps win. All I see is rage from Democrats
Democrat strategists on MSNBC, Biden campaign officials were smiling from ear to ear yesterday night.
That is who who was happy.
I liked DeSantis quite a lot before I saw what his typical outspoken supporters were like.
I can't blame him for all of it, but he's definitely responsible for the ones that his campaign pays.
So good job, I guess. If I were conspiratorial, I'd accuse you of being a deep state shill that's trying to tank the electability of popular anti-establishment Republicans. And you get a big ol' Mission Accomplished on that.
Every complaint I ever made about any politician is that they are way too beholden to corporate power, big pharma and just too subservient to Jewish influence.
You think this is what a deep state shill does?
It is a shame to see what MAGA has turned into with short bus lemmings like you in the movement.
Correia can't talk without hyperbole. You could ask him the weather and he will get angry that you care.
Noooo, Larry Correia, not you too!
Dang, disappointing.
No idea if he changed but he comes off like an elitist in his series of tweets on this instead of being down to earth
Check some of his most popular tweets; very based and populist. Very weird to see him be so dismissive about "swamps and establishments" when all Larry does is rail against those things. No clue what he's doing, I guess he picked up at least mild levels of TDS somewhere along the way. I'll be posting a separate comment with some of his top tweets.
I'm not sure it's dismissive about swamps and establishments. Rather, he's saying "these people who you can't stop talking about are very happy about this".
Let people metaphorically grieve.
Okay, point remains, fuck those people. It doesn't really matter, and I've said before how much I hate the "electability" argument. Maybe Trump will lose, I personally think it's worth taking the shot, as what he's bringing to the table is worth the risk over DeSantis in my opinion, and certainly over Haley.
If things were fair, Trump is completely electable. If they're not fair, who the fuck cares? I'll continue to rage against the swamp/establishment/media, because it's worth raging over. They must be stopped, and Trump's the one most likely to. Although he'd be a better president than Biden without a doubt, I don't think electing DeSantis would accomplish a tenth of what electing Trump would. I'm willing to roll the dice, and I'm not going to let manipulative bullshit like Correia's argument convince me otherwise.
It's still a massive dodge and, as I said, manipulative. Larry has his angle, and is trying to push his position on people. Which is his right, but people are right to criticize the seemingly elitist argument style. He's basically calling people stupid and blind in the comments, just because they think Trump is the best bet for change. Which he is. Again, like or hate DeSantis, I don't think he's anywhere near as much of a shock to the system as Trump, and in fact rolls things back the other way on some issues. I'm just not buying it.
Nikki Haley may be more 'electable' than Trump. I doubt it, but maybe. Problem is that with Haley, you lose whether or not she wins. With Trump, at least there is a chance.
But if we consider DeSantis to be an OK guy, then electability should be a factor. If DeSantis would win in 100% of cases and Trump in 40%, I'd prefer him.
OK, but then you are not completely disregarding electability. For someone who considers DeSantis and Trump to be equally good, it'd be legitimate to support DeSantis if he considered DS to be more electable.
I'm not entirely sure about whether he'd be better. But I'm sure that Trump foreign policy would be better, though I did appreciate how DS criticized Birdbrain for wanting to send even more money to Zelensky. And I also think that re-electing Trump will send a message to the establishment that they're done for, while with DS there is some plausible deniability.
What do we call people who are NPCs? I know some very smart people who unfortunately echo most media talking points, particularly when it comes to the US.
That's fine, but let's consider that these are good people who are upset because their candidate - who we all agree is decent - lost.
Yeah, I get that. But as I said in another comment, it's still worth criticizing these people if they're upset in stupid or condescending ways. People are absolutely free to pick their preferred horse in the race, and they're free to care if things don't go their way. But act like a jackass, and you get called out. This goes for Trump supporters too, by the way. I don't like them suddenly turning on Vivek (despite me never supporting his candidacy), for example. It was manufactured and lame. Generally not a good look.
So, yeah, I get Larry's disappointment. But he's taking it out in a weird direction, and being a bit of a bitch about it.
Absolutely. But I'd say that it's worthwhile to try to be a little patient with people who get things largely right. Gently correcting people has far more effect than anathematizing them (not saying you're doing this), particularly when they're not truly lost.
If Birdbrain had won, we'd be acting like jackasses, and rightly so.
Yeah, I don't understand people who say that they wouldn't vote for RDS over Biden.
There's been a lot of flak thrown at Baen and their writers, and a lot of them have been doing this weird little dance where they try to remain themselves and also try to be mainstream. It's very weird.
It's kind of funny - mostly sad - that we only have one even semi-mainstream "based publisher."
The problem is capture. Any publisher who tries to be mainstream and based is going to be hiring and networking with... blue state danger hairs and people in the publishing world. A couple of places get around this by building their own gated business (Castalia comes to mind).
Pretty much the same here. I just got done reading almost all of Weber's Honorverse (besides the slave revolt line and the last few books in the Shadows of Saganami line). And all of Drake's stuff I have. But Baen as a company has come into the leftie's sights, and I don't know how long they can keep being themselves... they already got rid of Baen's Bar.
Hillary thought the same thing
I live near DC so election season is literally never over here. Cry me a river.
Your terms are acceptable.
Is this really necessary?
When people lose, they are unhappy, and may make some overheated statements.
What's important now is uniting.
Its hard to unite with people who think you're too dumb to know your own interests and how to get them
I think if people just said hey, we'll do better next state or so on, people could unite. But when people are going "you're too fucking dumb to pick the right candidate and you're going to ruin the country you imbecile" , no one is uniting with that
To provide more context on where they say that, this is the twitter thread
https://twitter.com/monsterhunter45/status/1747263168903364896?t=ItesKkYy1QKEtQsiWRu6Uw&s=19
We need them, not they us. So they can think us dumb all they want, even if that is what they were doing.
Also, it's not really. People disagree about how best means to accomplish something, and it's not necessary for some people to be dumb.
Hopefully, 2 months from now all this will be forgotten. Pro-DeSantis are good people (the retards moved to Birdbrain).
Some pro-DeSantis people are good people, absolutely. Some really are fucking stupid. I'm not even sure why, and I don't think I'm just going off my own biases. DeSantis's campaign is horrible, and has attracted some really weird people who argue in very bad faith and otherwise act the fool.
There's plenty of legitimate criticism to be aimed at DeSantis supporters. Not all of them, but there is a trend to be sure.
Now I remember. Bill Mitchell? That guy is a full-time retard. But compared to the beginning, I'd say that the ranks of retards has very much thinned because the queen of retardation got some traction.
I'm not talking about any one person. There's a bunch of very weird and obnoxious DeSantis supporters, who continually behave like retards.
DeSantis' campaign used AI generated images for "the real Donald Trump" anyone who supports him after that shit is either dishonest or ignorant.
Don't know if DeSantis approved it, but he sure didn't denounce it.
Bill Mitchell, Burke, otp, and now correia
Bill was another person sperging out on twitter yesterday while trying to seem more intelligent than maga
It's sadly been very easy to atomize groups trying to pull the pendulum back since the current Potato president was hoisted into office. It got worse after the 2022 elections. It's the Kasich issue again but it's had longer time to fester. I'm hoping it goes away as the other candidates drop out, and people don't start peeling off.
Larry Correia sees the impending loss we will suffer with a Trump nomination and is rightfully angry.
Do you believe the 2020 election was legitimate and that Trump actually lost because Biden was more popular?
Because if that's the case, no right wing politician has Trump's pull and as such victory is impossible.
If your head isn't that far up your own ass, then you believe someone other than Trump will not have massive fraud perpetrated against them - that they will be ALLOWED by the ruling class to win. Which makes them worthless anyway.
Trump lost 2020 for one major reason; he gave Democrats cover for sending in mass mail in ballots which are rife for fraud by signing the CARES act.
Trump lost because he was incompetent and got played by Democrats.
He lost as an incumbent. How is he winning against them now as a challenger with more baggage than ever?
Dems will try to rig it against anyone but other candidates than Trump have much less baggage than him.