I'm noticing a trend where Desantis supporters think they're smarter than everyone else....almost like dems do
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Every voter for the Left that comes out just to vote against Trump is probably cancelled out for the people coming out just to vote for him. Like, it cannot be understated how big his draw is by his rabid fanbase. I don't have to agree with them or even think they are particularly smart or good people to recognize they exist.
Which is where all the "electability" discussion fails. It only talks about how the Left will come out in droves against him and ignores how many people on the Right wouldn't vote at all if it isn't for him.
Because they've either given up on the system working at all or think everyone else is a plant. Or simply just love him that much for how much he pisses off everyone else. I know entire towns worth of guys who live for "WHAT UP SNOWFLAKES WHOSE OFFENDED TODAY!?!" who hadn't voted in years prior.
Its certainly a discussion worth having about his chances and how badly it might increase the other side's turnout, but they only ever present one half of the equation.
"Electability" is code for they know Democrats are going to try to steal the election. Maybe they'll go easy on us if the nominee isn't Donald Trump after they steal the election.
The idea that a particular terror cell would be willing to cheat to prevent Trump from taking office but not willing to cheat to prevent a person with a different name that their NPC firmware tells them is evil is something I can't understand anyone believing.
The election was stolen in 2020, completely verifiably and without consequences for this criminal behavior. Also, voter fraud has been going on for many many years in ways that were less outrageous and impactful: see the over 100% voter turnout in big cities.
Vote stuffing is very hard to catch with anonymous ballot. It would only ever look like voting workers entering ballots. Even the ballot-box stuffing we saw is unnecessary if you can get one person on the inside.
That's definitely a big factor. But to be fair, and argue against myself here, it is also true that, although Trump is very popular among a bunch of Republicans, he's also very unpopular among others. I'm not sure how it all rolls out in net terms, but it is worth mentioning that, just like Trump can draw out people who would otherwise not vote, there are plenty of Republicans who will not vote because it's Trump too.
Again, I think that's all largely pointless though, if you come from my perspective that Trump is enough of an outlier to risk it for. I could be "safer" (allegedly) and support DeSantis. It's up to each individual to determine the risk versus reward of any "electability" arguments.
Because the people making the argument often either hate Trump, or are all in on another candidate. It's almost always an either intentionally or unintentionally biased argument. Now, yes, there are some people who actually believe it, and are arguing in good faith, but a lot of them aren't.
Trump’s approval rating among Republican voters vacillates between 85-90%. He is the most popular politician among republicans since Reagan. The only people who disapprove of Trump are neo cons and RINOs. The only reason you think these people represent anything other than a gigantic outlier is the fact that they comprise about 95% of conservatives politicians, media, and pundits. The “party” is wildly disconnected from the base.
Right and I had meant to imply that point with what I was saying, though perhaps it didn't come across. Its just that its mostly always presented one sided wherein because some won't vote for him no matter what, plenty also will. And those numbers are probably both huge.
I don't particularly hold pro or anti Trump arguments as inherently wrong, because I have plenty of reservations about him and plenty of positives. But I truly hate TDS and people who argue like retards regardless of the topic.
Yup, one hundred percent agreed. And, like I said, it's often just due to obvious bias.
Yup, also agreed.
Very well said, and a convincing argument. Although I am curious how midterms compare to presidential elections in general, without Trump.