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Riiiight ... all you need to do is lift a sword. That's it.
Someone much stronger won't pummel the shit out of you, wear heavy armor on top of the sword so you can't do shit, send your sword flying and chop your arm off while you REEEEe about equity.
"TrUsT tHe ScIeNcE!!1"
Well to be fair these people have seen so many Netflix movies so a petite girl wielding a sword is normal to them
“But but but Guyladriel did it so I can too.”
Galadriel, the ephemeral, immortal, demigod being who's power and light are beyond mete mortal comprehension??
Of course stupid bitches would think they could compare themselves to her.
She was one of the first major elves and remembers the war of the gods. She was one of the few great hunters in history, the only reason why she left the land of the gods was to help her brothers and family. She is as old as Gandalf.
There is no way a mortal woman could even compete.
She’s way older than Gandalf. She was born in the years of the trees when there wasn’t even a sun and moon yet.
Gandalf is a servant of a god and has been around since the creation. The being called Gandalf may be younger, but what he actually is is older.
That said it's splitting hairs since they're both so old.
Exactly
"all you have to do is tap their sword with your sword and then it stops, it's magic"
I'd imagine a 90 lb woman could effectively wield a rapier... a 6ft claymore...not so much...
The weight difference isn't as much as you'd think. Length would be a big factor, but most swords were in the same weight range. Shorter ones were thicker and heavier for their size. A gladius and a rapier were roughly the same weight.
See, today I learned something new.
Thank you. 😀
Agree. Or like what Arya had in Ice and Fire
None of these people have actually experienced what it is to get hit by someone who knows how to strike. It dispels the illusions about gender equality in combat so goddamn fast.
Exactly
You'd think actual, practicing martial artists would know damn well how reality works out when you put men up against women.
Which probably suggests to me two things; either they're complete and utter LARPers in the worst way and don't really stress-test, women are so rare in thier hobby that it never gets put to the test, or they're just simping heavily.
It's a coin-flip either way, but I'd probably pick a combo of the last two.
Probably a combo of all three. They're probably mostly a gaggle of ren fair neckbeards who actively repel most women but will happily "m'lady" any who stick around.
They do. That's why there are countless age categories in tournaments and men and women have seperate events.
Edit: Here are the britbong fencing categories for example: https://www.britishfencing.com/gbr-fencing/age-group-definitions/
Yup. I've helped out in a number of tournaments. It's always interesting to see how the age/gender divide works out.
Hint: You really don't see many women participating in tournaments, even when they're allowed in as white-belts, locally. To get any appreciable number requires you to start pulling from all across the country.
I follow some lady sword accounts and they’re pretty much tai-chi type shit with the occasional choreographed “sparring” session or like cutting wood and shit. Martial arts is a real stretch imo… more like dancing
Lefty Lucy college town and less-than-stellar choice of fundamentals, two strikes. Third strike is the prominent link to the Code of Conduct on their home page... said document has scarcely a huwyte man in it, despite most of the website showing huwyte guise fighting.
"The same weight as a baby" just gives me SAO vibes...
"That sword was my baby! Would you do that to a real baby?!" "Would I smash a baby against another baby to test its durability? Not typically, no..."
No one said that.
Like so many things, they have missed the point.
In the past there were fewer resources, so efficiency and effectiveness were crucial to survival, therefore it was more efficient to train men and boys (who grow in to men) martial arts as they were considerably more likely to be effective as soldiers/guards/protectors compared to teaching "women, and teens of all sizes, races, ages, orientations, and physical abilities" with the off chace one of them will be as good as a man.
No matter their skill, they still wouldn't have had the muscle mass and bone density to wear heavy armor constantly without breaking their backs or becoming too tired to fight for more than 5 minutes once battle begins.
Even today, women in the military generally can't keep up with their male counterparts while wearing all their gear, and the men need to compensate by carrying their packs for them.
With swords, it's a lot about fast twitch muscles and reaction time. Women can't keep up wirh men in these categories. I've fenced women who were actually better than me in terms of form, and technical skill, but I just own them with pure caveman quickness.
More importantly, they are right that HEMA is indeed a coed sport. But HEMA doesnt simulate armor, all you have to do is get the hit. So you can indeed use technique to overcome strength differences that wouldnt apply IRL if armor was involved.
I think you're the one who has missed the point. They aren't in the past, and they aren't training soldiers. You might as well complain that they are training HEMA technique instead of telling people where to buy a gun.
You can lift it, great, fantastic. Now block as that 6'7 Scottish/viking/mongol warrior swings his sword at you.
This isn't like guns where so long as you can handle recoil you had an even chance, unless the woman compensated by being extremely dexterous and fast to avoid a head on strength engagement, she was fucked as most men struggle against those odds.
On that note about spiritualism, that's why I love this guy as he took all those Chinese 'masters' and beat the shit out of them with MMA
These feminists are the ones that would employ marching at an enemy when they are in trenches with machine guns and barbed wire than adapting and either trying to just evade being bogged down in that or counting it with tanks.
In the case of the rapier and fencing this is quite possible. Using spring steel, you can redirect your opponents strength into an attack on them by using angles.
This is why the pasty inbred nobles could win in a fight against much stronger opponents.
As an aside, in many historical fencing duelist eras, your offhand held a flintlock pistol. That would also probably even the scores.
Hilariously enough, you can actually put this to the test with decently realistic physics in the game Examina.
It's animations are based on procedural physical movements, and the weapon handling is based on the weapon mass, while the strikes and damage are based on the height/weight of the character + mass/design of the weapon.
You probably already know where I'm going with this, but that game completely changed how I view medieval combat. It's like a realistic version of HEMA. That is to say, I made a large, hulking warrior typically using a bardiche or flail. There are also women in the game.
100% of the time I just steamroll the women, joustle them and knock them over and while they're getting up simply crush their skull. Given that actual physics affect the weapons and character balance, the results when you pit the men against the women almost always has the same results unless the women are using polearms and effectively zone their attacker. It's hilariously brutal when you use a warhammer and one-hit crush their skull through their shield because the females don't have the strength to block an attack from a behemoth of a man.
"cis" - that's all you need to know that the person who made the post is a tranny loving commie.
My favorite is the period in the 2000s where mainstream pop culture acknowledged that women were too weak to handle a sword properly against a male opponent, so their solution was to have all the women shooting bows and arrows instead.
From Hunger Games to Keira Knightley as Guinevere to the Huntress to Alison in the MTV Teen Wolf show, there was a good 12-year period where every girl hero had a bow. Never mind that the upper body strength you need to properly shoot a bow, especially a longbow, is even greater than what you'd need to handle most swords.
While I understand the sentiment for longbow especially, it is not true of the shortbow nor compound bow. Some cultures like in Korea it has become a traditionally female sport, where they have won 9 consecutive women's gold medals.
Women should be taught like this at an early age: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1o9RGnujlkI
Milva from the Witcher books was an early example of this trope too.
We need to go back: https://baldursgate.fandom.com/wiki/Strong_Arm
Lol @ "large, heavily muscled cis men".
Someone call Shadiversity to school this fool.
So, I guess Shad is large. He's not heavily muscled IIRC. So maybe it's not that hard to pick up a sword.
I don't study the blade, so I think I'm missing the point of This thread.
Two separate statements. The quote is just hilarious nonsense, and I'm 90% certain Shad would point out good reasons that sword fighting was largely confined to the realm of men. (some already commented here)
As far as the literal claim they made pre-edit, that misconception simply doesn't exist, and their shutting down comments and weird edit reveals their own bias in arguing a strawman. I don't know anyone who hasn't heard of Joan of Arc. Nobody thinks swordfighters were all Conan the Barbarian. There are heavy swords and light swords, and the Royal Arms Museum probably doesn't have a sample of all swords of the world.
Now one part people may have misunderstood is what they mean at the end by "anyone who can lift is capable... of winning". Did they mean winning in a martial arts tournament or winning in real combat?
It is always important to notice that Joan of Arc didn't fight and never killed anyone. She said it herself during her trial. She did have a sword and drew it some times but never used it.
Most of her job was carrying a big flag (a type of war flag called standard) which was very dangerous and important in medieval warfare, but didn't require any actual fighting. She also acted as a symbol for inspiring the troops and maybe participated in the planning of some battles (something impressive for a illiterate teenage peasant), but it is certain that she would never survive actual combat.
Children's Crusade personified. She was a figurehead, not a fighter. There's value to leadership, but the only way you avoid getting your head bashed in is to put your troops between you and the enemy.
lift != wield effectively
Nobody is saying they couldn't pick it up. It's not Mjolnir.
Yeah, MAYBE if you're not only strong enough to pick up a baby, but to lift and wield the heaviest babies, you might be strong enough to wield a sword.
Until then, regular women should go back to make up videos.
“We lied, and here’s another lie to cover up our first lie.”
If you can wield a baby, you can wield a sword!
Throw the nappy, and ask for a relationship and watch them run.
I wonder what their explanation for why no woman has ever passed the Navy SEALs final exam would be.
"The guns are too heavy, if the guns were lighter then obviously women and children would be just as competent Navy SEALS."
That is my bet at least since it seems that lifting something gives you instant ability to use it.
That's enough for me to discard anything they have to say. If you have to use a slur to make an argument, your opinion is worth nothing.
there's that one lady historian on youtube who does a bunch of commentary on historically accurate armor, and among the idiocy of "boob armor" that you commonly see in movies, games, and TV, it's very rare for a woman even of the stature of brienne of tarth to wield a longsword or broadsword. it comes down to muscle mass and bone density.
on her videos, she's a pretty average woman, and she comments how most women would not be able to competitively wield even a short sword, because most opponents would be men, and obliterate a woman with a short sword. and when it comes to longswords and broadswords, the body size necessary is significantly greater, even some men can't properly wield them properly. with other sword types, like the falchion, scimitar, or khopesh, the heavy weight at the tip was a major part of the mechanics, and again, a larger man wielding them was like cheating. the small catlike assassin woman trope you see in movies is just fantasy.
society wouldn't bother wasting the resources to train someone unless they were in the top few percentiles of possible success, or literal royalty.
and we're not talking about art or larping. in the historical context, people who weren't "the best" were literally skewered to death on the battlefield. and even some people who were still amazing were still murdered ruthlessly.
oh, and a single man can repopulate an entire country. women were not sent off to war because sheer babymaking math. men are relatively disposable. women are not. whichever sex of the species has the longer reproductive cycle MUST be protected, or your tribe goes extinct.
I automatically put any supposed expert in the "disregard opinion" rubbish heap if I see them using acronyms like "cis".
"cis" isn't an a acronym, it's a prefix. It basically means "normal", but we can't just say "normal" because that would imply (correctly) these fags are weird.
Just letting Natural Selection have another crack at the human race.
Not even a man would use a "Heaviest sword" (above 4 kg), which were reserved for ceremonial purposes. The 7.7 lb greatsword shown in the comparison chart isn't like the epic paddles seen in WoW or Skyrim, but not ideal for the average height woman. It will still exhaust anyone not physically fit, or foolish enough to treat it like a katana instead of a polearm.
The post's insistence on twisting and distorting historicity is banal, but what's worrying is trying to attract the type of woman that needs overt validation into geek hobbies.
Yeah, that's why there's no such thing as weight brackets in every fighting competition on the planet, because all that matters is technique! /s
Precisely why there are weight brackets to try and mitigate this.
Doesn't matter how good you can swing a sword, if you can't deflect (let alone stop) the force of a proper swing of someone far stronger than you, who also has adequate training, it generally won't matter if you're better trained when they push right through your defence like it was papier-mâché. You need to have the strength to rightfully match your opponent, and no amount of bullshit from shows like Game of Thrones where a little girl with a dagger kills a warrior king will change that reality. Can it happen? Sure. Will it consistently happen? Absolutely not. You can't get by on exceptions when it comes to fighting. Only so many times you get lucky pulling stunts like that before someone comes along and knows that trick and you get destroyed as a result. Doesn't matter what fighting technique or discipline is used, whether it be fists, swords, or even guns.
Sure, any one can practice martial arts as a hobby, but people who are taller and stronger will be much more effective, what's even in dispute here. I'm a short guy who did hema, getting wailed on by someone almost a foot taller fucking sucks, sure i might be able to sneak in a strike or two, but I have no doubt I wouldn't survive the encounter had it been actual medieval mortal combat
Dude. There's a reason men had to take the brunt of that shit. Medieval martial arts is fucking abusive.
Everything is so violent.
I'm sure women would love to do this.
That looks fuckin' cool. Even if it's a bit less "practical" than traditional empty-hand or stick/knife martial arts, it'd be fun to learn.
It's seems to be the most violent kind of fun.
There are a few of these kinds of swordplay martial arts / sports, that I've always thought about getting into, but they're probably more expensive than a Magic The Gathering collection.
common sense is like salt to a snail for these fucksticks
Being able to lift one isn't the same as using it in a combat situation.
Not to mention the strength needed to fight someone who would be an average male size is exactly why women get the shit kicked out of them fighting a man pretending to be a women in the MMA, boxing--whatever.
When I go hunting, my shotgun is a shade under 10lbs. Nothing, right? By the second hour of traipsing in the woods, that shit gets to be heavy.
"Swordwind" is an interesting way to say "fart".
I was with them until they started screeching about 'cis men'.
There's no such thing.
By that logic, men, women, and children can compete in the ring as long as you are able to make a fist, that's it.
I would love to go over there and see what's up. I don't have any idea about HEMA but if these guys think you only need to be able to lift 10 lbs then I'm pretty sure I could take their sword away from them
Soooo... what's the general opinion on women throwing chakrams? Just thought I'd check.
Or..... catching arrows mid-air?