Cool, ban those too. If 4chan can block TOR, VPNs, and devices behind CNAT, surely something better can be here. If someone has something stupidly profound to say, they can find a residential IP to say it.
Using your real IP address also allows the activists in trust and safety departments to cooperate to track your activities.
Say something spicy behind a fake name on twitter? Twitter trust and safety works with google trust and safety and you end up losing your gmail account without warning.
They are pushing it really, really hard on the only part of reddit I still visit. Political Compass memes. Very inorganically to, with a lot of "new to posting on PCM" saying that focusing on election fraud is a losing issue... meanwhile a lot of the normal posters and lurkers are downvoting them to a degree because the fraud was obvious for a 2nd time in a row. Though some posts are far more heavily shilled than others and I expect PCM to either get shilled to being unbearable or banned.
Fraud is a losing issue on the campaign trail, because if you focus on it then they'll fortify the election against you. You still have to actually do something about the fraud if you want to be re-elected, but don't show your hand too hard too early.
It's easy to figure out. DeSantis represents the pretense of one more election. Right now the proverbial they are scrambling for a shred of legitimacy, after conducting blatant fraud for two elections in a row.
If they can get the right to buy in once again, then they've got themselves more time.
DeSantis is a Bill Kristol bought and paid for house slave. He's 100% deep-state (jew zionist) establishment robot design to convince MAGA voters to get back on the neocon (jewish zionist) plantation.
With the GOP establishment swamp's embrace of DeSantis, I'm now extremely skeptical of him.
I get that, but I'd wait to see if he actually sells out to them before making judgements. They seem to be more interested in getting rid of Trump at all costs than worrying about his replacement. DeSantis is just an easy pick for them because he's been #2 for at least a year and no other non-Trump alternative is close.
There's no way this Trump vs. DeSantis "controversy" isn't 100% manufactured.
The words came out of Donald Trump's mouth. DeSantis is a political rival, not an enemy; he should be treated with respect, even if you disagree with him. And calling him "sanctimonious" when he is celebrated for actually standing up for American values is a leftist attack, not a conservative one.
Hello NPC, please tell McConnell and Ryan that were not interested in your next gen ad campaign and could they please actually RUN the country and do their jobs?
Hello NPC, please tell McConnell and Ryan that were not interested in your next gen ad campaign and could they please actually RUN the country and do their jobs?
... start the car with the garage door down. They can do more good for the country in ten minutes than they've done in the last thirty years.
Because it's a pre-planned, coordinated Dump Trump narrative and astroturfing campaign. IMO (though not directly provable) the election fraud was also perpetuated along those lines, to make it appear that anyone who supported Trump or was an "election denier" lost popular support. The system is trying to protect itself.
Yep. DeSantis is good on exactly two issues: school curriculum and the coof. They feel secure on both, especially if DeSantis stops being a governor and enters the Washington machine where he can be contained. He is just as bad as Jeb Bush on every other metric.
Him "Standing Up" to Disney was... Removing their special self-governance privilege, and also encouraging the legislature to pass a bill that prohibited teachers from injecting gender ideology into schools below grade 3 or something.
Ron has made many nice gestures, but I don't see them as significant accomplishments within the broader political context.
Real accomplishments would be: Criminal prosecutions of Disney executives. Criminal prosecutions of Teachers Association criminals grooming children. I'll celebrate when we get there, not before.
He needs to take stances on hammering the Swamp and it's Acolytes. They've been actively trying to destroy his state and this nation. He needs to get out and start hammering now that's he's got that momentum.
It is quite astonishing how many of those on the right want to believe that you can explain our current system and news cycle as anything other than bad faith in origin.
the election fraud was also perpetuated along those lines, to make it appear that anyone who supported Trump or was an "election denier"
We had a globalist shill here doing exactly that. He accused me of being a far right Trumper for calling out the GOP's spineless response to the stolen election. Sure, I've preferred DeSantis since long before he looked like a serious alternative to Trump, but why let facts get in the way of a good astroturfing campaign? DeSantis caught my eye in 2020 when he actually did something about the BLM riots.
But yeah, obvious astroturfing campaign is obvious. Regardless of where you stand on the Trump/DeSantis debate you would have to be blind to not see that the midterm farce followed by this shilling is the blue and red parts of the uniparty colluding to purge Trump, and more importantly the Trump base. The Ryan/McConnell wing would rather destroy the party than lose control of it.
By his own actions he signaled his weakness; the strong move would have been to congratulate DeSantis and belittle McConnell for pulling out of winnable races.
because he is to blame for the terrible under-performance in the 2022 election. he sabotaged candidates who would have won in order to get his own weak candidate loyalists in the primary, then they went on to lose the general.
Imagine falling for the candidate quality drivel when literal brain damage wins. Votes, and thus voters, don't matter with the current rules; ballots do.
Trump not only didn't get a lot done during his presidency (the swamp was barely drained, if at all) and he's done next to nothing since leaving. For these midterms he took like 90% of the money raised for himself with only a smidge going to the actual candidates.
He's abandoned the J6 detainees, still praises the jab, is despised by a large portion of the country (not saying it's fair, but there's a fuckton of people who will never vote for him) and attacked Ron like a pissybaby because DeSantis is becoming more popular than him.
Daddy DeSantis gave us the only actual "red wave", winning in pretty much every way imaginable- even winning Dem stronghold Miami-Dade. He's been effectively governing and done a lot for policy as well as the culture stuff (he cost Disney like 200m/yr). He's got pretty much every Trump strength and none of the weaknesses.
Trump is a politically a loser- sorry but way too much visceral hate for him to run for POTUS and win. Everyone who will vote for Trump will vote for Ron, it's not the same reversed.
I’m not sure, but I think a large motivator behind it is the establishment and the Left’s thirst for vengeance against Trump. They want to put him in the ground. They want to isolate him, ridicule him and make him a pariah for daring to trespass on their turf. If possible they want him in prison or dead with his legacy and accomplishments ruined.
I think DeSantis is just the most convenient way to isolate him right now. The moment Trump is out of the picture, they’ll do the same to the next person who stands up to them without bending the knee.
I think DeSantis has potential but time will tell if he’s anti-establishment and good at out-maneuvering them or simply “establishment-lite”.
Yeah no. Trump people don't care. Manufactured beef. Shows you how desperate they are to not have Trump that they're resorting to having Rs beat him in the primaries since there's no chance a Dem could touch him in the general. If they're that desperate it means Trump is a shoo-in and definitely the right man for the job.
Maybe we should be more like them. Dems win elections and do everything they can to win, including cheat. They support their candidate no matter what. No matter how shitty. The right drops their candidate even if they're batting 900 because a few Democrats call them racist. Yeah, I support Trump because he gave a voice to people like me.
Hopefully someone close to Trump will steer him into "elder statesmen"/King maker mode. Otherwise it's going to be bloody and the only winners will be swamp creatures like McConnell, McCarthy , Pelosi and Schumer.
My ideal would be Biden announcing he's running again, we get up right next to the primaries and Trump makes a big announcement about how he is going to go all out to support MAGA candidates, but that America deserves a presidential election that is NOT between two octogenarians, and he bows out.
Why not support Trump? Because for all the positives, he can't keep his fucking mouth shut. Most of the time that's good, but he causes a lot of his own problems. He comes across like a sore loser when he attacks Desantis.
Hilarious to imagine, totally implausible. They'd just have Biden die a month before the election and make people vote for "his policies" as a sympathy vote.
Really the only legitimate reason not to support Trump is they're just not going to let him win again. They fucked up the first time because they couldn't imagine so many new voters would actually grab the executive branch by the pussy. But like the famous saying "can't get fooled again".
I like both of them, but Desantis is younger so I'd prefer him for president. I dont see any reason why the two of them shouldn't be able to compete on good terms.
The Never Trump neocons are using DeSantis as a weapon to kill MAGA like they killed the Tea Party. I don't know whether he's in on it or if he would just be another tax cuts and civility conservative.
OK, handshake with 4 upvotes after 2 minutes.
Handshake with one post and lotsa upvotes. Yeah, that doesn't glow.
EDIT: on a related note, mods/admin, these kinds of posts can give you a short-list of globelles. If ya want.
They should be k-lining these ip addresses
Iphone and android all hide ip addresses to block tracking
Cool, ban those too. If 4chan can block TOR, VPNs, and devices behind CNAT, surely something better can be here. If someone has something stupidly profound to say, they can find a residential IP to say it.
Using your real IP address also allows the activists in trust and safety departments to cooperate to track your activities.
Say something spicy behind a fake name on twitter? Twitter trust and safety works with google trust and safety and you end up losing your gmail account without warning.
OK - but now you end up enabling tranny mods and admins on reddit to track all your accounts and easily block you
Whatever.
Yup. I gave up on polls in 2015 and haven't looked back
There's no way this Trump vs. DeSantis "controversy" isn't 100% manufactured.
As of a week ago, I was of the opinion that there were 2 potentially good options for the 2024 election between Trump and DeSantis.
With the GOP establishment swamp's embrace of DeSantis, I'm now extremely skeptical of him.
They are pushing it really, really hard on the only part of reddit I still visit. Political Compass memes. Very inorganically to, with a lot of "new to posting on PCM" saying that focusing on election fraud is a losing issue... meanwhile a lot of the normal posters and lurkers are downvoting them to a degree because the fraud was obvious for a 2nd time in a row. Though some posts are far more heavily shilled than others and I expect PCM to either get shilled to being unbearable or banned.
Fraud is a losing issue on the campaign trail, because if you focus on it then they'll fortify the election against you. You still have to actually do something about the fraud if you want to be re-elected, but don't show your hand too hard too early.
It's easy to figure out. DeSantis represents the pretense of one more election. Right now the proverbial they are scrambling for a shred of legitimacy, after conducting blatant fraud for two elections in a row.
If they can get the right to buy in once again, then they've got themselves more time.
How many handshake accounts with zero history is this community going to withstand before the mods do literally anything?
Dom is too busy white knighting for troons to give a shit.
DeSantis is a Bill Kristol bought and paid for house slave. He's 100% deep-state (jew zionist) establishment robot design to convince MAGA voters to get back on the neocon (jewish zionist) plantation.
I get that, but I'd wait to see if he actually sells out to them before making judgements. They seem to be more interested in getting rid of Trump at all costs than worrying about his replacement. DeSantis is just an easy pick for them because he's been #2 for at least a year and no other non-Trump alternative is close.
The words came out of Donald Trump's mouth. DeSantis is a political rival, not an enemy; he should be treated with respect, even if you disagree with him. And calling him "sanctimonious" when he is celebrated for actually standing up for American values is a leftist attack, not a conservative one.
Is that you David Frum? Or are you a kiddie diddler from the Lincoln Project?
Hello NPC, please tell McConnell and Ryan that were not interested in your next gen ad campaign and could they please actually RUN the country and do their jobs?
K-thx
... start the car with the garage door down. They can do more good for the country in ten minutes than they've done in the last thirty years.
We have to ask, why the sudden change? DeSantis is good in all.... but why dispose of Trump so fast by everyone?
Because it's a pre-planned, coordinated Dump Trump narrative and astroturfing campaign. IMO (though not directly provable) the election fraud was also perpetuated along those lines, to make it appear that anyone who supported Trump or was an "election denier" lost popular support. The system is trying to protect itself.
Yep. DeSantis is good on exactly two issues: school curriculum and the coof. They feel secure on both, especially if DeSantis stops being a governor and enters the Washington machine where he can be contained. He is just as bad as Jeb Bush on every other metric.
Yea I've not seen him strike serious blows against Disney who tried to take over the government.
Always been my stance he needs to prove himself standing for America ALWAYS not just sometimes and expect a pat on the back.
Him "Standing Up" to Disney was... Removing their special self-governance privilege, and also encouraging the legislature to pass a bill that prohibited teachers from injecting gender ideology into schools below grade 3 or something.
Ron has made many nice gestures, but I don't see them as significant accomplishments within the broader political context.
Real accomplishments would be: Criminal prosecutions of Disney executives. Criminal prosecutions of Teachers Association criminals grooming children. I'll celebrate when we get there, not before.
He needs to take stances on hammering the Swamp and it's Acolytes. They've been actively trying to destroy his state and this nation. He needs to get out and start hammering now that's he's got that momentum.
Seize their IP. (ok not exactly something a governor can do)
It is quite astonishing how many of those on the right want to believe that you can explain our current system and news cycle as anything other than bad faith in origin.
We had a globalist shill here doing exactly that. He accused me of being a far right Trumper for calling out the GOP's spineless response to the stolen election. Sure, I've preferred DeSantis since long before he looked like a serious alternative to Trump, but why let facts get in the way of a good astroturfing campaign? DeSantis caught my eye in 2020 when he actually did something about the BLM riots.
But yeah, obvious astroturfing campaign is obvious. Regardless of where you stand on the Trump/DeSantis debate you would have to be blind to not see that the midterm farce followed by this shilling is the blue and red parts of the uniparty colluding to purge Trump, and more importantly the Trump base. The Ryan/McConnell wing would rather destroy the party than lose control of it.
Because his attack on DeSantis was petulant.
By his own actions he signaled his weakness; the strong move would have been to congratulate DeSantis and belittle McConnell for pulling out of winnable races.
Trump has never had good political instincts. He is only good at serving up red meat at rallies.
He HAD good brand instincts. But the older he gets the more his preference for personal loyalty takes precedence over projecting the proper image.
90's Trump wouldn't have made such a mistake as punching down at someone who just scored a big win.
Plus, why the attack on Youngkin? I don't think that there's anyone who seriously thinks that Youngkin is a major contender in the Presidential race.
Yep. It was punching down, and punching down is not a sign of strength.
because he is to blame for the terrible under-performance in the 2022 election. he sabotaged candidates who would have won in order to get his own weak candidate loyalists in the primary, then they went on to lose the general.
Mitch McConnell withholding any meaningful RNC campaign funding from candidates, of course, has nothing to do with it, amirite?
Imagine falling for the candidate quality drivel when literal brain damage wins. Votes, and thus voters, don't matter with the current rules; ballots do.
Trump not only didn't get a lot done during his presidency (the swamp was barely drained, if at all) and he's done next to nothing since leaving. For these midterms he took like 90% of the money raised for himself with only a smidge going to the actual candidates.
He's abandoned the J6 detainees, still praises the jab, is despised by a large portion of the country (not saying it's fair, but there's a fuckton of people who will never vote for him) and attacked Ron like a pissybaby because DeSantis is becoming more popular than him.
Daddy DeSantis gave us the only actual "red wave", winning in pretty much every way imaginable- even winning Dem stronghold Miami-Dade. He's been effectively governing and done a lot for policy as well as the culture stuff (he cost Disney like 200m/yr). He's got pretty much every Trump strength and none of the weaknesses.
Trump is a politically a loser- sorry but way too much visceral hate for him to run for POTUS and win. Everyone who will vote for Trump will vote for Ron, it's not the same reversed.
DeSantis hasn’t given the slightest sign of running yet. Until he says something, this is all just manufactured drama.
The fact that this type of stuff is coming out shows there's things brewing. Big money wants DeSantis to run, will he sell out?
I’m not sure, but I think a large motivator behind it is the establishment and the Left’s thirst for vengeance against Trump. They want to put him in the ground. They want to isolate him, ridicule him and make him a pariah for daring to trespass on their turf. If possible they want him in prison or dead with his legacy and accomplishments ruined.
I think DeSantis is just the most convenient way to isolate him right now. The moment Trump is out of the picture, they’ll do the same to the next person who stands up to them without bending the knee.
I think DeSantis has potential but time will tell if he’s anti-establishment and good at out-maneuvering them or simply “establishment-lite”.
Everyone loses.
But since 2020 cheaties, that's the only option.
"Which poll? Who cares!"
Fuck off.
Yeah no. Trump people don't care. Manufactured beef. Shows you how desperate they are to not have Trump that they're resorting to having Rs beat him in the primaries since there's no chance a Dem could touch him in the general. If they're that desperate it means Trump is a shoo-in and definitely the right man for the job.
Maybe we should be more like them. Dems win elections and do everything they can to win, including cheat. They support their candidate no matter what. No matter how shitty. The right drops their candidate even if they're batting 900 because a few Democrats call them racist. Yeah, I support Trump because he gave a voice to people like me.
Hopefully someone close to Trump will steer him into "elder statesmen"/King maker mode. Otherwise it's going to be bloody and the only winners will be swamp creatures like McConnell, McCarthy , Pelosi and Schumer.
I still think Trump can win the nomination, and potentially even the election.
But attacking DeSantis was a blown play. It was off-brand.
It was Telegraph to DeSantis that he needs to sack up if he wants to play ball and actually fight the Swamp.
This is a sadly believable possibility.
My ideal would be Biden announcing he's running again, we get up right next to the primaries and Trump makes a big announcement about how he is going to go all out to support MAGA candidates, but that America deserves a presidential election that is NOT between two octogenarians, and he bows out.
Why not support Trump? Because for all the positives, he can't keep his fucking mouth shut. Most of the time that's good, but he causes a lot of his own problems. He comes across like a sore loser when he attacks Desantis.
Hilarious to imagine, totally implausible. They'd just have Biden die a month before the election and make people vote for "his policies" as a sympathy vote.
Really the only legitimate reason not to support Trump is they're just not going to let him win again. They fucked up the first time because they couldn't imagine so many new voters would actually grab the executive branch by the pussy. But like the famous saying "can't get fooled again".
Just 2 more years. Vote harder!
trump was the compromise
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.....
....body cares.
They should both make up to prevent vote splitting like we have in Canada.
I like both of them, but Desantis is younger so I'd prefer him for president. I dont see any reason why the two of them shouldn't be able to compete on good terms.
Trump's been doing most of the shittalking and DeSantis has stayed quiet. I think it'll bowl over.
The Never Trump neocons are using DeSantis as a weapon to kill MAGA like they killed the Tea Party. I don't know whether he's in on it or if he would just be another tax cuts and civility conservative.
That name sounds suspiciously moderate.
Club for Growth backs the Chamber of Commerce wing of the GOP.
Well that's a ding against him.