I always wonder how legit this is. I really didn’t hear this complaint til the constant pushing of women into predominantly male hobbies. I hear this complaint and sometimes I feel like they exaggerate and it really was a guy asking what their favorite comic book or anime is. And these ladies need to get over themselves. Led Zeppelin is before my time but I love the band and have one of their shirts. I’ve been asked by older people how I know the band or what got me into them. I’m happy to talk about it.
Hah, seriously! I have a middle school aged kid who has a Nirvana shirt (and this is not even exactly rare today).
Multiple times people have talked to him about it, asked him his favorite song, asked him how he got into Nirvana, etc--and they've all been positive conversations! He talked about how his grandfather liked Nirvana and would play them in the car getting picked up from school sometimes. The other dude would share how HE got into Nirvana, what his favorite song was, etc.
It's a completely normal interaction if you're not a total poser. Even if your answer is "oh I just liked the logo I don't really listen to much nirvana"
It's only when you want people to think you're into the current niche, quirky thing when you're really not does it make you angry
I was in a store that was playing Queen. Then Safety Dance on. I commented to this girl who worked there that they were playing some pretty great music. She says "Oh I know, I just LOVE oldies."
That's the thing, if you've actually got any interest in the thing, it's merely a way to start the conversation. These people find it intimidating because their only intent is to wear the fandom like a skinsuit.
Yep. In middle school I was into music from my parents generation and plenty of adults asked me about it because they thought it was cool. I enjoyed it.
Honestly, as a longtime con-goer, the "Cosplay Is Not Consent" movement was actually needed.
Most people that you meet at conventions are friendly, normal people. However, there is a certain subset that I would call "socially retarded." Some of these people have sense of personal hygiene; others have no sense of appropriate behavior with strangers. Add in the anonymity that empowers people with ill intent, and things can go south. I have several friends of both sexes who experienced sexual harassment or even (minor) assault at conventions.
How people behave depends a lot on the specific type of con. In my experience, horror cons tend to be the best in this regard; anime cons tend to be the worst. This behavior is also not confined to males. Some of the worst offenders were teenage girls. "Glomping" (tackle-hugging) strangers because they were dressed as a certain character was almost female-exclusive.
Overall, the atmosphere of cons, after CINC became semi-mainstream, improved in my experience.
Sometimes, albeit more rarely, it could get more serious though, with groping people's breasts/genitalia, or whacking people on the asses with those stupid "Yaoi Paddles" that were popular a while back.
I agree, that it wasn't like people were getting raped on the convention floor, but there needed to be some kind of initiative to tell people that they still have to act like civilized human being at conventions.
Yea. I feel the same way when you hear women whining about toxic males in gaming. I wonder if it was just normal trash talk. Watch dudes play Madden and you’ll hear plenty of “toxic language”
I like that there's a lot of posts shitting on women today.
Anyway, there's three ways to read this.
It doesn't happen, this is just typical female hate consensus, as typified by Orwell when he described them.
It happens because those men don't trust women who enter their spaces, because most women always try to change everything they enter into an anti-male hate cult.
It happens because fans of the hobby don't trust women not to be faking it to attract a simp to rip off for all he's worth.
I feel like you forgot a possibility.
4. Men question everyone over everything (even other men) they have even a little expertise in. Women only think it's just them getting questioned; because women are used to the world revolving around them and men don't complain.
Possibility 5. The guy is just trying to make conversation about something the woman is displaying interest in but the woman is now mad because she's been unintentionally exposed as a poser.
It's just basic social interaction. If you share an interest in anime, people will talk about anime. If you share an interest in dogs, people will talk about dogs. And if they don't know if you share any interests at all, there's always the weather.
It's not gatekeeping, it's an attempt to put the other person in their element by making the conversation about something both of you can talk about.
Honestly. This is used as a way to get to know your anime preferences, or if you're just a 'it was on so I watched it' person. It's not a knowledge test.
I think it's a mix of number 4 and number 3. I'll start talking with friends when they get into a new thing that I have already been in, and we discuss the more niche aspects of it. If a woman comes up, trying to discuss something I'm an expert in, then I'm going to immediately start talking about the more niche parts of it, as usual. Not my problem if she's either a liar or just isn't used to the rigorous questioning involved when men talk about things they like to other men.
Women like to take any question as either praise or a personal attack.
FIFY. The last girl I dated would snarl at me if I so much as asked her what she was doing.
Hilarity ensued when half the time I knew exactly what she was doing and that she was doing it wrong. I was just giving her a face-saving way to get help.
I think you nailed this and for me it is 3. I'm not saying women can't be genuine fans of things, but I've seen and experienced this a fuckin ton in my time
In my experience, 90% of the time it's an innocuous question to make conversation. It's normal to ask someone who their favorite character from a show is, or what their favorite album from a band is.
The other 10% is because people are overprotective of their hobbies. Part of it is because of the recent subversion of fangroups, but it's also because poseurs are annoying. It's disheartening to be really passionate about something, possibly be bullied because of it, amd then have it worn as a cheap, trendy fashion item by people who don't care at all about the thing. Anyone who doesn't fit the mold of your fangroup is going to be vetted. The more stink that they kick up about it, the more they look like a poseur.
I think that this whole issue comes down to women not understanding men's social hierarchies and interactions with each other. Men value competence and knowledge in the fields that they form social groups around. They're perfectly willing to accept a newbie at the bottom of the hierachy, but if you act like hot shit, without being able to back it up, you'll be rejected.
That complaint is always funny, because when they are actually fans this question usually gets them so excited you can't get them to stop talking about it after.
If I mention One Piece at all, my wife won't shut up for an hour. Because as a fan, they actually do know a shit ton about it, are usually caught up on the latest releases, and love to talk about it.
I'm like that with certain things that struck my autism in a certain way. Once you've infodumped something after months or years of deep diving it you don't really even talk about surface level stuff any more.
Like, imagine Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen talking basketball. Are they going to be like "hey Scottie have you ever noticed that basketballs are orange"? No, they're talking exclusively high level shit, because that's all that's left for them.
I hate to brag, but I would consider myself the Scottie Pippen of Super Mario RPG. Impressive, I know. If I talk to someone about it, I'm naturally going to gravitate toward obnoxious minutia like level up rotations and translation trivia because I've already done everything else to death.
I get it man. Ask me about Drakengard 1 or Nier Gestalt and I'll give you a multihour explanation of the tiniest details. The kind that drives away secondaries who only watched LPs because "ooooo its so clunky to play, ahhhhhh" because even they have no idea about the games.
Which is both endlessly amusing and frustrating with Automata now being mainstream normie shit, so now I get to be the autist among what was formerly a super niche obscure series.
Papa Nier best Nier. Caim is best dragon lover. One of these days I'll get around to playing DoD3...and maybe even DoD2.
DoD1's unfolding deep dive of peeling back a fairy tale story is really cool, imo. I always liked the theory that Ending A was the story in its most fictionalized telling, but as you progress to ending... C? D?... it removes the veneer, and you get to see the that our "heroes" are all degenerate fucks. Bloodthirsty scalies and cannibals and brocons and peadophiles, oh my!
And I love how by ending E, everything just goes batshit insane... shit I gotta replay this game now.
And while I really enjoy Automata, Gestalt (and even RepliCant) just hit different.
Nier:R 1.2 was still good... though, one detail I disliked was that it took away weapon elements. I don't think the elements actually did anything, but it was just a little bit more flavor to each weapon. And the new story bits were nice, but I really wish DoD3 was on something other than the PS3, because it has dogshit performance, and I'm pretty sure the new character in 1.2 is supposed to be an invoker, but never looked too much into it.
Any out-of-game reading material you'd suggest? Only ever read The Witch's Sabbath short story, but I have to assume there's other supplemental material out there.
I've finally gotten around to getting a PS3 emulator so I'm going to be giving that a proper go through myself soon. I bought it on release but its.....difficult to play on hardware. I got through Ending A back then but it was just too much to suffer through.
I always liked the theory that Ending A was the story in its most fictionalized telling
And, even though I hate 90% of it, Drakengard 2 shows that it basically fails to accomplish anything anyway and generally just pushes back the apocalypse a little bit.
It does say a lot about Caim as a character that even in the absolute mess of a game that is Drakengard 2, every scene he is in is fantastic and powerful. Heck the scene where he finally meets Angelus again still gets me emotional.
Any out-of-game reading material you'd suggest?
Grimoire Neir is the only one I think is really worth it. There's far too much of it, especially with Automata now, that is inaccessible due to never being translated or being a fucking musical/stage play.
Plus I have a huge hatred of Drama CDs, which is where most of it is otherwise.
People who play automata without playing the original are disappointing. People who thought the remaster of nier was a sequel are retarded. People who prefer gestalt to replicant are based, because it's better.
Going back to Drakengard 1 was interesting, not knowing any of the controls at the start made for a trying beginning, part of the issue would be my copy has no manual, oh how I miss it :P
The game don't pull no punches, and is surprisingly deep at times for its genre with the types of moves/combos you are expected to use just to survive.
I have a question about that, actually. About 2 years ago I think, I saw mentions of that game possibly being made available to play on the Switch's SNES app, with a new sequel being released. I saw that the game's producer had said in an interview that before he retired, he'd absolutely love his last project to be a sequel. But since then, I've heard basically nothing about it.
Do you have any other news about this? Or is it just never going to happen because of rights issues with Square Enix?
I don't think it's totally unlikely, but there are a few issues that make it more difficult than simply making a new game called Totally Not Mario RPG.
For one, there's a lot of bitterness between Square and Nintendo. They started making PSX games after years of making flagship titles for the NES and SNES. In response, when Nintendo wanted to make what was functionally Mario RPG 2 - Superstar Saga - they went with another company: AlphaDream. To make matters worse, AlphaDream had a bunch of former Square employees in it, including Chihiro Fujioka, one of the directors of Mario RPG. So Nintendo basically responded to the breakup by dating Square's sister. And considering Square Enix is still lead by a number of the same Square people of that era, and considering Japanese culture, that's an issue.
There's also the fact that AlphaDream, despite having exclusive rights to the series, went bankrupt. It's possible that the formula is simply played out and no longer profitable. Or maybe we just need another few years for the winds to shift.
I wouldn't count it out, especially given how popular nostalgia games are, but I don't know how likely it is for Square and Nintendo to get along enough to make it not simply happen, but be as good as everyone expects. Considering how nicely the Enix side has been playing with Nintendo, I wouldn't be shocked if it happened, but I'd lean more on Nintendo simply developing another M&L in house.
I'm not sure if I wouldn't call Paper Mario a better successor to Super Mario RPG than the Mario & Luigi series, but it's just nitpicking at that point. It's true that Geno's most recent appearance was in Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga, even if I don't recall seeing Mallow or the Nimbus people anywhere since the SNES.
I never looked into AlphaDream before, so that was interesting information to know. You're saying that they had exclusive rights to the characters from Super Mario RPG? Square Enix doesn't have them? If so, then it sounds like they should be basically up for grabs. That'd be one major headache less.
Still, I don't know what they could do in a sequel. Smithy's dead. We've already explored Super Mario RPG's Mushroom Kingdom, as well as multiple other versions of the land in other games. Did we ever get an answer as to where Exor and the Smithy gang came from? That sword literally had an alternate dimension inside its mouth.
Clever feminist: "How do you like it?! You like anime? Name every anime!"
True fan: "Liking a genre isn't about naming every show. It's about appreciation of major hallmarks. Anime aesthetic, as you know I'm sure, started its first steps when the creator of Astro Boy was inspired by Donald Duck's animation style, and brought it up to Kobunsha in the fifties..."
"I was trying to make a snappy point, shut up! Shut up! You're oppressing me with your legitimate knowledge!"
What the fake poseurs don't seem to get, is that true fans will willingly talk about what they like. It isn't some safeguarded cell, impenetrable to all. It's not even a library, with information coming and going. The average weeb is a soapbox ranter. Give them even the illusion of a platform, and they'll give you their entire sermon, freely and immediately. They WANT to talk about their likes, their hobbies.
I know a girl who is practically narcoleptic in social situations, she literally just falls asleep anywhere, anytime, the moment she isn't needed in conversation. But bring up otome games, and hooo boy, she'll talk your ear off about Best Husbando.
Any girl ir RL I've seen that is in to guys hobbies has a very shallow fans. The best was a friend that was such a star wars fan, would wear a lot of merch and would straight out say she loved Star Wars so I asked her something about Palpatine and she did not know who that was.
Plus lol fans that have played a few times with their boyfriend and now it is their identity.
I'm not that much in to anime so I don't know how those go.
As for the t-shirt and bands, I'm guilty of that.
I've done it a couple of times with those NASA hoodies and NASA t-shirts. I asked them what does NASA stand for. Granted I did it to friends and not some rando stranger, in one case the guy did not buy the t-shirt and I've never seen the other one wearing the hoodie again.
I've also asked my wife to name 3 Queen songs when she just HAD to go see Bohemian Rhapsody. Almost anyone can name 3 Queen songs but I know my wife.
I've met one true 100% genuine article IRL. We were in a line at a convention, her in an Ahri costume (LoL was in its heyday), and I was dressed as Stitches from HotS, who of course has a very close proxy in LoL. I don't "do" LoL, but I'm a gamer, I know MOBAs, I can follow general conversational flow, but somehow she fell into a rant about shit players who can't adjust to new metas keeping her in MMR hell when she's playing a perfect ADC game, and I'm just sitting there smiling, letting her vent at "trash golds who were probably boosted to even reach there".
Like, if that isn't THE picture of the standard LoL player, I don't know what is. No quizzing, no real prompting even except the cosplays, just "yo, you play tank? Lemme tell you about how supports don't support my plays".
I wanted to build up to Darth Plagueis but I had to change the subject after telling her who Palpatine was.
I would have given her a pass if she did not know Palpatine was Darth Sidious but not who was the emperor.
Fuckin' women always misconstrue this shit as a test. When dudes say they like anime, I ask them their top 3 because it is a good barometer for what they're into so I can give informed suggestions, and take thiers in kind. Like, if the guy that says Naruto, Dragon Ball, and Attack on Titan, I probably won't be suggesting Clannad and Angel Beats, and certainly won't be suggesting things like Eromanga Sensei or Shigofumi. Might suggest Elfen Lied as a feeler gauge since it's still violent but has a some weird shit like cousin' lovin and harem.
And on the other hand, if it is a test, it's probably because dude had to deal with fake ass fans before and he's tired of that shit.
Reality of these quizzes could very likely be “what’s your favorite episode, who’s your favorite character or what did you think about this plot line?”
I will say band t shirt quizzers are ass holes. How often are you prepared to talk about your shirt on the spot.
Yes because "Who's your favorite character?" Is a real tough question that only mega-nerds would be able to answer.
"What's your favorite song by [band you claim to be into]?" Such deep knowledge is required to answer. It's not that the reason you picked the shirt is that it fit an image you were trying to convey, it's that requiring you to remember anything about one of your favorite songs is an unsolicited gatekeeping test, and not an effort to introduce a topic you feel confident in to start a conversation.
"Do you like Shonen anime?" Shonen? This is obviously an attempt to introduce obscure foreign language jargon in an attempt make me look foolish, and stroke your nerd ego. Not everyone can spend thousands of hours learning Japanese, and this is definitely not a term in common use by the English community and a basic classification that every fan will know if they've done even the most basic legwork to seek out shows they like.
I'm 80% certain most of what these berks are complaining about is men autistically sperging out about something they are passionate about and the women just flat out being unable to keep up with the conversation because they're just band-wagoning for social acceptance and aren't actually all that invested in it the way the guys are.
This shit is as bad as I thought Speed Racer was when I first saw it. You're all fucking retards that need to grow up and stop supporting borderline pederast material. Which is also, secondarily, just shit writing and animation.
I swear people are staying trapped in adolescence into their late 20's and 30's. Another example is the use of 'name + ussy' all over like a bunch of 12 year old boys tee-heeing in the tent in the backyard on a sleepover.
He's just lashing out as a means of dealing with his repressed sexual deviancy. He can't trust himself to consume this kind of media so it simply must be bad for everyone else to consume it too.
I always wonder how legit this is. I really didn’t hear this complaint til the constant pushing of women into predominantly male hobbies. I hear this complaint and sometimes I feel like they exaggerate and it really was a guy asking what their favorite comic book or anime is. And these ladies need to get over themselves. Led Zeppelin is before my time but I love the band and have one of their shirts. I’ve been asked by older people how I know the band or what got me into them. I’m happy to talk about it.
Hah, seriously! I have a middle school aged kid who has a Nirvana shirt (and this is not even exactly rare today).
Multiple times people have talked to him about it, asked him his favorite song, asked him how he got into Nirvana, etc--and they've all been positive conversations! He talked about how his grandfather liked Nirvana and would play them in the car getting picked up from school sometimes. The other dude would share how HE got into Nirvana, what his favorite song was, etc.
People need to lighten.
It's a completely normal interaction if you're not a total poser. Even if your answer is "oh I just liked the logo I don't really listen to much nirvana"
It's only when you want people to think you're into the current niche, quirky thing when you're really not does it make you angry
Ha, that's impossible, because Nirvana was popular merely ten years ago!
-checks calendar-
WHAT THE FUCK WHEN DID IT BECOME THE DISTANT FUTURE
I know, right?
I was in a store that was playing Queen. Then Safety Dance on. I commented to this girl who worked there that they were playing some pretty great music. She says "Oh I know, I just LOVE oldies."
Oldies? FML.
Congrats you are living in The Simpsons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjiyq25crAQ
Haha, old Simpsons was so good.
That's the thing, if you've actually got any interest in the thing, it's merely a way to start the conversation. These people find it intimidating because their only intent is to wear the fandom like a skinsuit.
Signs you're getting old - grandpas are the ones who listened to Nirvana
Smells like Old Spice.
Yep. In middle school I was into music from my parents generation and plenty of adults asked me about it because they thought it was cool. I enjoyed it.
It's basically asking what their favorite character or song is.
Honestly, as a longtime con-goer, the "Cosplay Is Not Consent" movement was actually needed.
Most people that you meet at conventions are friendly, normal people. However, there is a certain subset that I would call "socially retarded." Some of these people have sense of personal hygiene; others have no sense of appropriate behavior with strangers. Add in the anonymity that empowers people with ill intent, and things can go south. I have several friends of both sexes who experienced sexual harassment or even (minor) assault at conventions.
How people behave depends a lot on the specific type of con. In my experience, horror cons tend to be the best in this regard; anime cons tend to be the worst. This behavior is also not confined to males. Some of the worst offenders were teenage girls. "Glomping" (tackle-hugging) strangers because they were dressed as a certain character was almost female-exclusive.
Overall, the atmosphere of cons, after CINC became semi-mainstream, improved in my experience.
Sometimes, albeit more rarely, it could get more serious though, with groping people's breasts/genitalia, or whacking people on the asses with those stupid "Yaoi Paddles" that were popular a while back.
I agree, that it wasn't like people were getting raped on the convention floor, but there needed to be some kind of initiative to tell people that they still have to act like civilized human being at conventions.
Yea. I feel the same way when you hear women whining about toxic males in gaming. I wonder if it was just normal trash talk. Watch dudes play Madden and you’ll hear plenty of “toxic language”
Agreed
Women are constantly making up scenarios like this so they can "call it out" to get attention.
I like that there's a lot of posts shitting on women today.
Anyway, there's three ways to read this.
It doesn't happen, this is just typical female hate consensus, as typified by Orwell when he described them.
It happens because those men don't trust women who enter their spaces, because most women always try to change everything they enter into an anti-male hate cult.
It happens because fans of the hobby don't trust women not to be faking it to attract a simp to rip off for all he's worth.
I'm leaning towards 1.
I feel like you forgot a possibility. 4. Men question everyone over everything (even other men) they have even a little expertise in. Women only think it's just them getting questioned; because women are used to the world revolving around them and men don't complain.
I lean toward 4.
Possibility 5. The guy is just trying to make conversation about something the woman is displaying interest in but the woman is now mad because she's been unintentionally exposed as a poser.
It's just basic social interaction. If you share an interest in anime, people will talk about anime. If you share an interest in dogs, people will talk about dogs. And if they don't know if you share any interests at all, there's always the weather.
It's not gatekeeping, it's an attempt to put the other person in their element by making the conversation about something both of you can talk about.
Honestly. This is used as a way to get to know your anime preferences, or if you're just a 'it was on so I watched it' person. It's not a knowledge test.
"An Epithet Erased hoodie? Pretty niche stuff, have you read book 2 yet?"
"OMG I'm SO being attacked right now!"
This most likely. She achieves what she wanted, male interest, but then forgets she needs to do a bit more to keep his interest.
I think it's a mix of number 4 and number 3. I'll start talking with friends when they get into a new thing that I have already been in, and we discuss the more niche aspects of it. If a woman comes up, trying to discuss something I'm an expert in, then I'm going to immediately start talking about the more niche parts of it, as usual. Not my problem if she's either a liar or just isn't used to the rigorous questioning involved when men talk about things they like to other men.
You know how many times my friends and I would test each over over “nerd facts”
I see this as something like interpreting
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Feminists like to take any question as either praise or a personal attack. Rarely in between.
FIFY. The last girl I dated would snarl at me if I so much as asked her what she was doing.
Hilarity ensued when half the time I knew exactly what she was doing and that she was doing it wrong. I was just giving her a face-saving way to get help.
My gf isn't like that
I think you nailed this and for me it is 3. I'm not saying women can't be genuine fans of things, but I've seen and experienced this a fuckin ton in my time
In my experience, 90% of the time it's an innocuous question to make conversation. It's normal to ask someone who their favorite character from a show is, or what their favorite album from a band is.
The other 10% is because people are overprotective of their hobbies. Part of it is because of the recent subversion of fangroups, but it's also because poseurs are annoying. It's disheartening to be really passionate about something, possibly be bullied because of it, amd then have it worn as a cheap, trendy fashion item by people who don't care at all about the thing. Anyone who doesn't fit the mold of your fangroup is going to be vetted. The more stink that they kick up about it, the more they look like a poseur.
I think that this whole issue comes down to women not understanding men's social hierarchies and interactions with each other. Men value competence and knowledge in the fields that they form social groups around. They're perfectly willing to accept a newbie at the bottom of the hierachy, but if you act like hot shit, without being able to back it up, you'll be rejected.
That complaint is always funny, because when they are actually fans this question usually gets them so excited you can't get them to stop talking about it after.
If I mention One Piece at all, my wife won't shut up for an hour. Because as a fan, they actually do know a shit ton about it, are usually caught up on the latest releases, and love to talk about it.
I'm like that with certain things that struck my autism in a certain way. Once you've infodumped something after months or years of deep diving it you don't really even talk about surface level stuff any more.
Like, imagine Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen talking basketball. Are they going to be like "hey Scottie have you ever noticed that basketballs are orange"? No, they're talking exclusively high level shit, because that's all that's left for them.
I hate to brag, but I would consider myself the Scottie Pippen of Super Mario RPG. Impressive, I know. If I talk to someone about it, I'm naturally going to gravitate toward obnoxious minutia like level up rotations and translation trivia because I've already done everything else to death.
I get it man. Ask me about Drakengard 1 or Nier Gestalt and I'll give you a multihour explanation of the tiniest details. The kind that drives away secondaries who only watched LPs because "ooooo its so clunky to play, ahhhhhh" because even they have no idea about the games.
Which is both endlessly amusing and frustrating with Automata now being mainstream normie shit, so now I get to be the autist among what was formerly a super niche obscure series.
Papa Nier best Nier. Caim is best dragon lover. One of these days I'll get around to playing DoD3...and maybe even DoD2.
DoD1's unfolding deep dive of peeling back a fairy tale story is really cool, imo. I always liked the theory that Ending A was the story in its most fictionalized telling, but as you progress to ending... C? D?... it removes the veneer, and you get to see the that our "heroes" are all degenerate fucks. Bloodthirsty scalies and cannibals and brocons and peadophiles, oh my!
And I love how by ending E, everything just goes batshit insane... shit I gotta replay this game now.
And while I really enjoy Automata, Gestalt (and even RepliCant) just hit different.
Nier:R 1.2 was still good... though, one detail I disliked was that it took away weapon elements. I don't think the elements actually did anything, but it was just a little bit more flavor to each weapon. And the new story bits were nice, but I really wish DoD3 was on something other than the PS3, because it has dogshit performance, and I'm pretty sure the new character in 1.2 is supposed to be an invoker, but never looked too much into it.
Any out-of-game reading material you'd suggest? Only ever read The Witch's Sabbath short story, but I have to assume there's other supplemental material out there.
I've finally gotten around to getting a PS3 emulator so I'm going to be giving that a proper go through myself soon. I bought it on release but its.....difficult to play on hardware. I got through Ending A back then but it was just too much to suffer through.
And, even though I hate 90% of it, Drakengard 2 shows that it basically fails to accomplish anything anyway and generally just pushes back the apocalypse a little bit.
It does say a lot about Caim as a character that even in the absolute mess of a game that is Drakengard 2, every scene he is in is fantastic and powerful. Heck the scene where he finally meets Angelus again still gets me emotional.
Grimoire Neir is the only one I think is really worth it. There's far too much of it, especially with Automata now, that is inaccessible due to never being translated or being a fucking musical/stage play.
Plus I have a huge hatred of Drama CDs, which is where most of it is otherwise.
People who play automata without playing the original are disappointing. People who thought the remaster of nier was a sequel are retarded. People who prefer gestalt to replicant are based, because it's better.
Everything about the story works better with Papa Nier over Brother. Like hilariously so for being the non-intended version.
Especially in a series where the entire point of the original was to defy the traditional JRPG hero type, which Brother is almost to a T.
Going back to Drakengard 1 was interesting, not knowing any of the controls at the start made for a trying beginning, part of the issue would be my copy has no manual, oh how I miss it :P
The game don't pull no punches, and is surprisingly deep at times for its genre with the types of moves/combos you are expected to use just to survive.
I have a question about that, actually. About 2 years ago I think, I saw mentions of that game possibly being made available to play on the Switch's SNES app, with a new sequel being released. I saw that the game's producer had said in an interview that before he retired, he'd absolutely love his last project to be a sequel. But since then, I've heard basically nothing about it.
Do you have any other news about this? Or is it just never going to happen because of rights issues with Square Enix?
I don't think it's totally unlikely, but there are a few issues that make it more difficult than simply making a new game called Totally Not Mario RPG.
For one, there's a lot of bitterness between Square and Nintendo. They started making PSX games after years of making flagship titles for the NES and SNES. In response, when Nintendo wanted to make what was functionally Mario RPG 2 - Superstar Saga - they went with another company: AlphaDream. To make matters worse, AlphaDream had a bunch of former Square employees in it, including Chihiro Fujioka, one of the directors of Mario RPG. So Nintendo basically responded to the breakup by dating Square's sister. And considering Square Enix is still lead by a number of the same Square people of that era, and considering Japanese culture, that's an issue.
There's also the fact that AlphaDream, despite having exclusive rights to the series, went bankrupt. It's possible that the formula is simply played out and no longer profitable. Or maybe we just need another few years for the winds to shift.
I wouldn't count it out, especially given how popular nostalgia games are, but I don't know how likely it is for Square and Nintendo to get along enough to make it not simply happen, but be as good as everyone expects. Considering how nicely the Enix side has been playing with Nintendo, I wouldn't be shocked if it happened, but I'd lean more on Nintendo simply developing another M&L in house.
I'm not sure if I wouldn't call Paper Mario a better successor to Super Mario RPG than the Mario & Luigi series, but it's just nitpicking at that point. It's true that Geno's most recent appearance was in Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga, even if I don't recall seeing Mallow or the Nimbus people anywhere since the SNES.
I never looked into AlphaDream before, so that was interesting information to know. You're saying that they had exclusive rights to the characters from Super Mario RPG? Square Enix doesn't have them? If so, then it sounds like they should be basically up for grabs. That'd be one major headache less.
Still, I don't know what they could do in a sequel. Smithy's dead. We've already explored Super Mario RPG's Mushroom Kingdom, as well as multiple other versions of the land in other games. Did we ever get an answer as to where Exor and the Smithy gang came from? That sword literally had an alternate dimension inside its mouth.
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When a girl would tell me something she was into, any questions I would ask is to better understand what she likes, not to perform some kind of dunk.
Compare and contrast to girls' "shit tests" they will randomly administer.
They live and breathe "shit tests", so when they are given genuine questions or comments, they interpret it as "shit tests".
If we've learned ANYTHING this past 10 years it's that gatekeeping is ESSENTIAL.
Bingo.
Clever feminist: "How do you like it?! You like anime? Name every anime!"
True fan: "Liking a genre isn't about naming every show. It's about appreciation of major hallmarks. Anime aesthetic, as you know I'm sure, started its first steps when the creator of Astro Boy was inspired by Donald Duck's animation style, and brought it up to Kobunsha in the fifties..."
"I was trying to make a snappy point, shut up! Shut up! You're oppressing me with your legitimate knowledge!"
What the fake poseurs don't seem to get, is that true fans will willingly talk about what they like. It isn't some safeguarded cell, impenetrable to all. It's not even a library, with information coming and going. The average weeb is a soapbox ranter. Give them even the illusion of a platform, and they'll give you their entire sermon, freely and immediately. They WANT to talk about their likes, their hobbies.
I know a girl who is practically narcoleptic in social situations, she literally just falls asleep anywhere, anytime, the moment she isn't needed in conversation. But bring up otome games, and hooo boy, she'll talk your ear off about Best Husbando.
Any girl ir RL I've seen that is in to guys hobbies has a very shallow fans. The best was a friend that was such a star wars fan, would wear a lot of merch and would straight out say she loved Star Wars so I asked her something about Palpatine and she did not know who that was.
Plus lol fans that have played a few times with their boyfriend and now it is their identity.
I'm not that much in to anime so I don't know how those go.
As for the t-shirt and bands, I'm guilty of that.
I've done it a couple of times with those NASA hoodies and NASA t-shirts. I asked them what does NASA stand for. Granted I did it to friends and not some rando stranger, in one case the guy did not buy the t-shirt and I've never seen the other one wearing the hoodie again.
I've also asked my wife to name 3 Queen songs when she just HAD to go see Bohemian Rhapsody. Almost anyone can name 3 Queen songs but I know my wife.
I've met one true 100% genuine article IRL. We were in a line at a convention, her in an Ahri costume (LoL was in its heyday), and I was dressed as Stitches from HotS, who of course has a very close proxy in LoL. I don't "do" LoL, but I'm a gamer, I know MOBAs, I can follow general conversational flow, but somehow she fell into a rant about shit players who can't adjust to new metas keeping her in MMR hell when she's playing a perfect ADC game, and I'm just sitting there smiling, letting her vent at "trash golds who were probably boosted to even reach there".
Like, if that isn't THE picture of the standard LoL player, I don't know what is. No quizzing, no real prompting even except the cosplays, just "yo, you play tank? Lemme tell you about how supports don't support my plays".
God save the Queen, Dancing Queen, and Killer Queen?
Wait no, that last one actually works! 🤔
and the first one is somewhat out of date
Dang. She didn’t know Palpatine?
I wanted to build up to Darth Plagueis but I had to change the subject after telling her who Palpatine was. I would have given her a pass if she did not know Palpatine was Darth Sidious but not who was the emperor.
I actually found Darth Plagueis at a used book store recently and bought it
Girl: "I'm a big fan of X"
Guy: "Oh cool, who was your favorite character in X?"
Girl: "Umm..."
Guy: "Were you amazed by the big twist in season 3?"
Girl: "Huh...?"
Guy: "Have you seen other shows made by the same studio as X?"
Girl: "Hey this guy is oppressing me! Help!"
Fuckin' women always misconstrue this shit as a test. When dudes say they like anime, I ask them their top 3 because it is a good barometer for what they're into so I can give informed suggestions, and take thiers in kind. Like, if the guy that says Naruto, Dragon Ball, and Attack on Titan, I probably won't be suggesting Clannad and Angel Beats, and certainly won't be suggesting things like Eromanga Sensei or Shigofumi. Might suggest Elfen Lied as a feeler gauge since it's still violent but has a some weird shit like cousin' lovin and harem.
And on the other hand, if it is a test, it's probably because dude had to deal with fake ass fans before and he's tired of that shit.
Reality of these quizzes could very likely be “what’s your favorite episode, who’s your favorite character or what did you think about this plot line?”
I will say band t shirt quizzers are ass holes. How often are you prepared to talk about your shirt on the spot.
Yes because "Who's your favorite character?" Is a real tough question that only mega-nerds would be able to answer.
"What's your favorite song by [band you claim to be into]?" Such deep knowledge is required to answer. It's not that the reason you picked the shirt is that it fit an image you were trying to convey, it's that requiring you to remember anything about one of your favorite songs is an unsolicited gatekeeping test, and not an effort to introduce a topic you feel confident in to start a conversation.
"Do you like Shonen anime?" Shonen? This is obviously an attempt to introduce obscure foreign language jargon in an attempt make me look foolish, and stroke your nerd ego. Not everyone can spend thousands of hours learning Japanese, and this is definitely not a term in common use by the English community and a basic classification that every fan will know if they've done even the most basic legwork to seek out shows they like.
I'm 80% certain most of what these berks are complaining about is men autistically sperging out about something they are passionate about and the women just flat out being unable to keep up with the conversation because they're just band-wagoning for social acceptance and aren't actually all that invested in it the way the guys are.
This shit is as bad as I thought Speed Racer was when I first saw it. You're all fucking retards that need to grow up and stop supporting borderline pederast material. Which is also, secondarily, just shit writing and animation.
I swear people are staying trapped in adolescence into their late 20's and 30's. Another example is the use of 'name + ussy' all over like a bunch of 12 year old boys tee-heeing in the tent in the backyard on a sleepover.
I agree there is a problem with immaturity in this community, Sergeant Thundercock.
That was a good one.
This is why you’re still just a sergeant.
You realize this whole community is founded on the principle of don't mess with my video games, anime, and other nerd stuff, right?
If you have a problem with that, this might not be the place for you.
He's just lashing out as a means of dealing with his repressed sexual deviancy. He can't trust himself to consume this kind of media so it simply must be bad for everyone else to consume it too.
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