Boomer Socialism at it again
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We'll compromise. Nobody pays property tax. Howzat?
Property taxes are necessary, remove income taxes, the only people arguing for the former over the latter are usually on the government dole.
You understand that property tax means you never own your property, right?
The government owns your property, and you rent it from them. If you stop paying at any time, they can take it from you and put better goy slaves who will pay them on your land.
Property tax is the absolute WORST tax. It is perpetual and can be changed at any time with no regard to your income level. It is the ultimate slave tax.
This is not the first time he's refused to understand this or the importance of it. Anyone who supports property taxes should just come out in the open and advocate for a return to feudalism directly.
Ah yes, the pilgrims were feudalists, same with the founding fathers and every rational economist. You understand that even if you don’t have property taxes you never own your property and the government can kick you off it at any given moment simply because they want to? Paying taxes or not paying taxes doesn’t make the property any more or less yours. Property taxes are bar none the least invasive tax there is and the one that doesn’t damage economic growth.
You want to pay your local lord for the privilege any and all material possessions because those actually just belong to the local lord and not you. Stop pussy footing around it and own your position: You don't believe in the concept of owning property.
This is so hilariously stupid it’s adorable. Tell me when the roving band of ferals come for you are you going to be able to fend them off yourself? If the government comes and claim’s eminent domain are you going to fight them off? The South African farmers fleeing to the US are glad to pay property taxes for that reason.
You’re a child larping as an adult thinking that somehow not paying a tax on something makes it “yours”, hilariously coddled first world view. Have you written you state government demanding they have no claim to your property?
I’ll wait.
The issue is not "I don't want to pay taxes" you disingenuous sperg, the issue is "I don't want to pay taxes because I already paid taxes on this and you don't get to charge me to continue owning things I actually own, otherwise I don't in fact own it."
Fucking roll up some new tax scheme to make up the difference in revenue that costs me exactly the same amount of money and I'm happy to pay it. It's a matter of principle not pragmatism you absolute fucking hobgoblin.
Cool. So let's take away one of their reasons to do so, and we can work on the others later.
Why? So we can be Africa with roving ferals?
Sure. If you're going to make retarded suggestions like some sort of redditor I can give you retarded responses.
You understand that without a government you don’t own your property either right?
So can literally any tax. Property taxes have the massive benefit of being a LOCAL tax, if you don’t live in a shithole your taxes don’t go up.
You are an absolute midwit. Without a government, nothing matters and it's survival of the fittest. That's a fucking non-argument.
Property tax only makes sense if you generate income from your property. Without that contingency, you are being charged for living. It is the absolute worst tax possible. Income tax only impacts you when you generate something. Property tax doesn't care if you are 100 year old granny, pay me bitch.
I hope you end up old and alone and get kicked out of your house you built for not paying government rental fees. Seems like that's the only way you will understand how fucking stupid you are.
He's got a fair point about locality, but your point about ownership trumps it.
If the people who live in houses that cost 2x more are getting 2x more out of schools, etc. it would be reasonable. The higher costs come with more benefits. The problem arises when it's any higher level of government doing the collecting. State property taxes for example. The people who spent more on their homes get the honor of shoveling money into a furnace for gibs on the other side of the state. That's not reasonable. Even before addressing the question of ownership.
As loathe as I am to say so, the Euros actually figured it out a long time ago with VAT. It doesn't matter how much you make or save. If you don't consume, you don't pay. The more basic the item, the less is paid. And it's constantly visible. Instead of people realizing they're getting nothing for their tax money once a year, they see it constantly and might actually react.
VAT is an economy killer, there’s a reason Europe is stagnant. Property tax is the least disruptive tax for economic development, it’s inarguably the best one for a stable economy.
The point isn't to have the optimal economic zone. The point is to take the only what is necessary to provide common services to the people paying for them.
"Stagnation" is fine. Companies used to transition from growth to value when they matured. Countries need to learn to do the same. Besides, I don't agree with your premise. The main reason Europe is stagnant is overregulation. They've stamped out innovation, which is where growth should come from and are now trying to "grow" by throwing useless warm bodies at it.
And you own nothing because it is assured by no one, you fucking retard.
The income tax slave mindset is truly hilarious. You’re bitching about a tax that has existed since the inception of the country and is by far the easiest to manage. The property tax is set by your local community, it is the easiest for the local populace to control, it is the easiest to build a nice area and keep out degenerates, it is the best tax to not inhibit economic growth. You however, in your boomer retard brain only see having to save money to pay taxes in the future as the worst possible thing to ever happen. You would never survive a winter.
Here comes the boomer socialist. I’m sorry I made money and have a community. I’m sorry you’re too lazy to build up your community let alone be apart of it.
I think he made better points than you.
“No we have to punish earners in order to skyrocket home costs because my local tax makes me feel bad”
I swear you retards are a hair breadth from Marxist stupidity. Guess what happens to property prices when property taxes disappear? You’ll never own a home retard, you’re shooting every future generation in the foot because you want to bitch about a tax that causes the least economic impact and has the most visible benefits.
Government isn't the reason you own things..
Seriously. Government is the reason you have to work so hard to keep the things, that they ultimately say you don't own anyway and will take either while you earn the money for them, save the money for it, or after you die as part of an estate tax.
Government isn't the giver of anything other than misery.
There’s dozens of countries where government won’t interfere or intercede for you, try one!
You won’t because you want to bitch, I’m sure you’re well aware of the reality of anarchic structures.
North Korea is right there, and yet you're here. Why? Because you want to bitch AND remove peoples freedom.
Also, there aren't any - you're just being a buffoon.
Also, also - everything I said was and is true.
I’m removing people’s freedoms by saying removing the income tax is more beneficial than the property tax?
Tell me more retard
Income tax means the government owns your time and talent.
Sales tax means the government owns the fruit of your labor. Export tariffs are a sales tax.
Pick your poison. The only cure is to cut spending.
"but who will build the roads without the taxes"
ok, retard. you know nothing about US history on the subject if you believe taxes are necessary
Apparently you don’t retard. The property tax is so American that it was the only tax the pilgrims had. It’s also the only tax that doesn’t destroy economies.
look at you, advocating for taxes! meanwhile those tax revenues are being embezzled by isreal, jewkraine, illegal somalis in Minnesota, illegal armenians in California, the California government, people in DC and the DC collar counties...... but do go on and tell me how personal taxes are necessary like a dipshit.
Look at you complaining about the effects of income tax!
faggot
the effects of income tax are embezzling? yeah, we dont need that tax if that is the case. retard
So you agree with me? Shocking retard…
zoning laws aren't American.
you could tax the land because you couldn't stop anyone from using it how they liked to make money for themselves.
How about we remove all taxes except sales tax.
Im only taxed when i buy something and only once. No more endless taxes or compounding taxes over and over. If i spend my money then you can get involved if i dont spend anything its mine
This is a retardedly childish statement. Sales taxes kill economic growth, if you don’t believe me look at every major city with higher sales tax rates versus lower.
Also if you don’t spend your money inflation will just eat it anyways, not sure what your great logic here is other than your fee fees getting hurt.
Sales tax is only a problem because of other taxes. You blame the one thing that is actually under YOUR control. What you buy and how much.
Proves your a fucking retard to attack this.
And nice defense fucking queer, ooh inflation buzzword. No shit it exists, but inflation barely effects anything as prices have risen faster than inflation meaning its a non issue
VAT tax is killing Europe you sperging retard.
You don’t even know what inflation is….
VAT isnt killing europe. Its all the illegals you worthless foreign trash. Your government is committing suicide to replace your people with brainless slaves
I know more than you ever will eurotrash. Go save your daughter, i can hear her getting raped by the muslims
VAT was killing Europe long before the illegals you fucking retard, that’s why they imported “workers”.
I’m American, retard, just not inbred like you
Income taxes are necessary. But property taxes are inherently a bad thing because it means you never truly own your property. And aren't necessary if there is income tax. Why should there be property taxes if there is already income tax and sales tax? That's crazy. Property taxes is just a way to make sure people "own nothing and will be happy." The only reason income taxes aren't covering everything nowadays is because of corrupt politicians and because of too many government handouts to corporations. And when it comes to the USA, because of all the wars which eats up most of the tax dollars. Because war is insanely expensive due to the military industrial complex charging insane prices for every little thing. EDIT: And also because so many wealthy people pay only 1% in taxes or less or just nothing.
nope. but no thanks for playing, retard. If you know US history on the subject you wouldnt make such a retarded statement
If you think income tax is necessary you’re either a Keynesian retard or severely economically illiterate. You don’t ever “truly own your property” that’s the entire point of living in a government. Even the pilgrims understood this.
Income tax is light years more damaging to personal earnings that any other tax, bar none. You’re crying about something that isn’t even a fraction of the lifetime cost of an income tax.
That’s just hilariously false, the income tax was always an abuse and was blatantly unconstitutional until congress forced it to fund socialism.
This is just made up socialist bullshit, boomers healthcare and social security costs more than war.
Is this satire or are you just trolling?
It’s not satire. Do you know how much boomers cost each year?
A lot less than war.
No retard.
We don't live in the 1800s. Before income tax, people were riding fucking horses on dirt roads. Of course in a world like that, governments don't need a lot of tax dollars.
Hey anti simp I was rooting for you, but you lost this one bud
Also by defending any government tax you are simping. Please live up to your name and encourage me to live up to mine.
And look at the dumb shit they (we) are paying for now. We wouldn't "need"* an income tax if we reigned in fraud, waste, abuse, immigration, and other forms of looting the treasury.
*The air quotes here are doing a LOT of heavy lifting.
You have to be a troll. Property taxes paid for roads and infrastructure to include public works and schools. Why the fuck do you think there’s magically different neighborhoods with wildly different amenities despite being in the same city and state?
How does that tweet go? "Boy, I can't wait for The Great War [World War 1] to end so we can get rid of this temporary income tax."
i'll take: "people who clearly don't understand the difference between state, federal, payroll and excise taxes," for $200, Alex.
The majority of people who are arguing against property taxes are people who purchased a house and don't want to lose it one day. And think it's just unfair.
Purchased a house and don’t have jobs. There are plenty of welfare queen homeowners.
Florida did it, i think Tennessee is phasing it out over the next 5 years, lets see what other states do something similar
How about 0 income taxes instead? Why are our most productive people punished the most? Makes no sense.
Serious answer, because most people will only work enough to meet their basic needs. Once they accumulate enough money most people stop working.
We artificially devalue work so that people work more, which makes everything cheaper, so people don't have to work as much.
With people paid fully they do less work, which raises the cost of everything, which means more work to afford what they need.
It's like how a deflationary period sounds great on its face, but actually is a perverse incentive like communism that makes everything decay. Considering human nature there's some tax rate that's ideal, supposedly 12% or something like that - whatever it is, we're waay over it.
You're wrong. Lowering income taxes actually increases work output not decrease.
Lowering income taxes has a net positive impact on the economy and the quality of life of everyone. The actual impacts as to what would happen are complex but essentially:
Lowering income taxes INCREASES work, it doesn't decrease it. This should be intuitive. You're basically saying if we wanted to increase AI use in companies we should tax companies for using AI. Doesn't make ANY sense. The reason many people seem to stop working at a certain income level now is because of how taxes work. For example if you worked a job paying $100k/yr and wanted to work part-time as a Uber driver, you wouldn't. Why wouldn't you? Because the income you earn is now taxed at 50% because of your tax bracket whereas the Indians/Muslims Uber drivers who only do that as their only job earn 100% of their income therefore the pay Uber pays people is based on this 0% income taxes they pay. For them, what they earn is enough to be worth the time, gas and car payments/maintenance but for you, it wouldn't be. Without income tax it would lead to higher after-tax income related to prices of products/services for people earning $100k/yr to work as an uber driver to make more money so you'd get more people doing this.
People right now are discouraged from working more because of social programs and progressive income tax. Eliminate both and you'll increase work not decrease it.
Your thought process is so twisted. It's basically saying the USSR was right and communism leads to more people working except it does the exact opposite. All evidence shows that social programs and progressive taxes (more taxes in general) lead to less work not more. Of course, I am talking about valuable work though. At 100% taxes you can force everyone to dig ditches and then have 100% work but that's useless. Only productive work matters and most work today is unproductive.
The reason they don't lower income taxes is because the government wants full control over how your money is spent.
Only in the perfect world. Because a lot of human beings are greedy. Trickle down economics is bullshit. Why make things more affordable for people when you can just pocket the extra money?
Anyone using this term can be safely ignored.
The only thing that trickles down in this world is piss and diarrhea. And unpaid bills.
My diarrhea sprays actually, I'll thank you to get it right.
This is contrary to human nature. People don't work because they "feel valued" or that the "pay is fair" or whatever hippie bullshit, they work because they need the money to meet their needs - present and future - which once met most people don't work anymore (only a small few do).
Somebody making $100k doesn't work Uber not because they aren't taking home as much relative to somebody else, but because they don't need any more money. It's how you imagine them acting because you want to justify a belief that's clearly false, but ask any middle-class/wealthy person why they aren't out driving for tips, zero are going to say "because it's unfair".
It's obvious that with no tax people wouldn't work jobs in all their free time - they'd do hobbies or sit around playing games or with their AI girlfriend.
So you didn't actually read what I said. Basically a Laffer Curve is similar to this in that it says there's a ideal tax rate, but that's focused on economic growth whereas the ideal tax rate for worker happiness is probably not exactly this.
Perhaps you're only accustomed to lazy people? Most people I know earning $150k/yr are working on business ventures and side-hustles to make more money. I think your theory is flawed and is based more on arm-chair university theories. The $100k/yr earner working Uber was literally based on a co-worker on mine who was earning that and literally working Uber but he stopped because he found the earnings wasn't wroth it for what he did when factoring in taxes.
A lot of people don't work more because they don't want 50% of what they earn going to the government and because most businesses won't let you so they're forced to work in non-traditional means. There was just a story posted here of a woman working 3 jobs and was a top performer making like $300k/yr. People want to work but only if they're paid appropriately for what they do and they aren't stuck in archaic show-up, swipe-in and swipe-out models of working. Yes, there will be some people who don't work but there will be others who do work and that will cancel out.
If only that were the case. There's way more people content to live in huts and open sewers than those addicted to work and improvement. Look at India for example.
First of all, so he didn't know he had to pay taxes on his Uber income? Or what the tax rate was? So basically he's a moron. You're basing your views on what a moron said. But good on him landing that $100k parasite job at whatever unfortunate company hired him.
You may be right, he might work Uber on top of his extra $30k from no taxes, but for a different reason: because basic needs and everything else would cost much more than now (this was my original contention, btw, that you're agreeing with).
Yea, that leaves more room for competition. I've been to several countries where this is basically considered a good thing.
Food is less expensive in those countries. Ferrarri's are ungodly expensive. It makes designer goods cheaper. Not 'everything.' Demand is what makes things cheaper.
You've lived in a monopolized economy for so long you literally are unable to think outside of it. You can have more than 3 cellphone companies. You can have more than 2 car companies. You can have more than 2 internet browsers.
It depends if you're holding debts or owing them. Most people owe money. The deflation would kill them.
A fucking tax rate "ideal?" lol. Based on what? Fantasy?
The laffer curve shows this is completely false
Because boomers need more gibs
If we repeal the income tax, how will we fund The Great War?
Get Israel, our greatest ally, to pay? Kinda like how we got Mexico to pay for the wall and Denmark to pay for our purchase of Greenland.
World War 1 ("The Great War") ended over 100 years ago.
Because without tax money, a nation ends up like Somalia or India. And income taxes don't just punish productive people. They also take money away from parasites who only make a lot of money because they exploit working class people or scam. There has to be enough tax dollars available to make sure the infrastructure is maintained and so there is government agencies to enforce regulations that prevent an environment from turning into Somalia or India.
No, this is false. Somalia is Somalia because of the genetics of the Ns living there. The USA with low taxes, presuming we also deport all the non-Whites would be significantly better.
And no, overall the unproductive gain from taxes and the productive pay the taxes which is net negative for your society. Security and justice can easily be accomplished with 90% less taxes than we pay now, especially if we deport all nons. Everything else taxes fund are worthless.
I'm not against lower taxes because so many people(poor people and middle class people) are paying way too much nowadays. And a lot of it is going to bullshit. But 0 income taxes would mean there is no money for essential things like a functioning infrastructure.
Absolutely NOT. The government earns more than enough taxes to eliminate income tax. Trump didn't float the idea for no reason. The government DOES NOT need income taxes.
I have a finance degree and have analyzed financial statements my whole life including the financials of municipalities. I have a CFA. I know what I'm talking about. Do you know HOW LITTLE taxes are spent on infrastructure? You'd probably be angry if you truly understood.
Just so you know. The US government both state and federal (the ones who raise income tax) only spend 4.55% of their tax revenue on infrastructure.
You can eliminate income tax and pay for infrastructure EASILY. In fact, you can lower income taxes to 0 and increase infrastructure spending without raising debt.
The government is a band of robbers. Taxes (all taxes) are 80-90% higher than they ought to be.
Do you mean privatizing the entire infrastructure? That would make the environment into hell on Earth.
Not at all. A decrease in income tax would lead to an increase in economic output which would lead to higher taxes raised from other taxes and a simple reallocation of wasted spending then voila, easy to increase infrastructure spending without raising debt while eliminating income tax.
So what taxes would cover everything without income taxes?
All those countries you mentioned have a lot of taxes.
And the worst thing of all is when the boomers die out, the US will be a white-minority nation. All pretense of equity will be abandoned, as the brown hordes will insist they have a democratic mandate to openly subjugate whites.
Which only works if you let them. You're going to stand by while a "democratic mandate" subjugates you? Just relax there, Chicken Little, and go buy some guns.
taxes for thee but not for (((me)))
The jewish generation.
Sounds like a big incentive for seniors to buy more properties for themselves that the younger generations need. Must be sweet to be retired and have a vacation home.
A primary residence should not be charged property tax. If the government wants to tax second homes, rentals or business property I think that is reasonable.
This woman is psycho
No property taxes sound good. Maybe I can lie about my age
She's got really nice cans though
I thought you hated women?
That's a different user who mocks Dresden.
Some women, for sure.
Ok firefighter not bomber
Remember to put tape over phone and device cameras. jews scan your faces.
Fact
I guess my parents are going to “own” all my houses. Hahahahaha stupid fucks.
There's already all kinds of tax relief for olds on property. They've turned this into we don't want to pay a dime in tax. Just a bunch of leeches.
Greediest generation in the history of western society and raised the most atheistic generations. Definitely proof society is only one bad generation from complete collapse.
It's funny because I don't even think ignored religion either. It wasn't unusual in the times those kids were raised to be churchgoers at the very least. My best guess is presenting church their whole lives as a virtue signal but not getting the actual point of a Christian lifestyle.
Yeah, I mean, why should boomers be forced to struggle at all in their twilight years after they benefitted more than any other generation in American history, and then decided to destroy our economy just to boost their stock portfolios a little bit, and then pushed a bunch of anti-White policies into law and into business practice so their descendants would have the cards stacked against them in their own country, ensuring as few White people as possible could ever have what boomers had, all in the name of “equality” or whatever hippy bullshit they justify it all with. I hate to harp on boomers, but there’s just no self awareness or accountability at all among any of them for what they did to this country.
And yes, I’m aware jews were the main force behind all of those policies, but without boomer support for every nation-destroying policy jews pushed, we wouldn’t be in this situation.
Give boomers a giant tax break for making cash and property gifts to their children.
Get the wealth flowing the other direction.
I mean.. that's what this is all about.. that giant pile of money.
This
Up until 1913 the US government funded itself with tariffs.
It took Wilson going to War in WW1 for income taxes to really start, and it wasn't until WWII until employer withholding started.
Want to fund the US government? Impose mandatory wage and environmental law arbitrage tariffs on all imports. Let China treat its workers like crap, and ignore all environmental laws, they get to pay for it when they export their garbage here.
I pay over $3k a year in property taxes, and yes, it rankles me that non-payment can get me tossed out of my house. Primary residence should be OFF LIMITS for non-payment. File a lein on the property, garnish my wages, but my house is off f***ing limits.
And the local government funded itself with property taxes. I agree that house seizure is insane versus a lien or garnishment, that’s one part of property taxes that needs to be eliminated.
Boomers owe everyone else reparations for failing to pass their culture down.
By the time their predecessors retire, soke milleniald will be nearing retirement age in some career fields, never advancing past middle management salaries at best. It is truly insanity if you think about it. A lot of them pull in 2 retirements if they are federal, which the more I think about it just highlights their self centered nature. We are lucky if a pension will exist for us when that day comes -- they get 2. Social security wont exist for us -- make it tax free for them. Can't afford a home -- they have multiple; the kicker is if they are feeling nice they will maybe let you rent one from them.
I just blocked u/antisimp and this thread instantly got 95% less retarded.
Look, a triggered snowflake who can't stand people disagreeing with him.
Hey did anyone tell her that her that she shouldn't be taking pictures while she's cold?
...what?
Yes they should. And Boomers are absolutely vile people.
Who is still hearing womans opinions on anything? Last woman that said or did something good, when? What?