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That didn't take long. The lawsuits from Ozempic's horrific side effects are already piling up. (archive.is)
posted 144 days ago by TheOutlaw 144 days ago by TheOutlaw +58 / -0
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– TheOutlaw [S] 48 points 144 days ago +48 / -0

No one who watched the clotshot fiasco unfold should be surprised by this, and anyone who trusts big pharma is a retard. I've been meaning to make a post documenting the GLP-1 receptor shilling but that fell victim to my procrastination problem. You know who predicted this besides us anti-vaxxers? The keto/carnivore people. You know, the ones The Experts have been slandering as pseudoscientists and disinformation peddlers for years. Look at this video from almost 3 years ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCFjIcF6SsI

They're lying to you about vaccinees, they're lying to you about meat, and they're lying to you about saturated fat. They're trying to poison you.

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– DieHeretic 14 points 144 days ago +14 / -0

You do a keto high protein low carb regimen you will lose weight.

Guaranteed. It's like magic it works so well.

But people are even too lazy to try it, or too addicted to cheap carbs.

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– censorthisss 14 points 144 days ago +14 / -0

You will lose weight if you eat fewer calories than you burn each day regardless of the type of food you're eating.

Maybe it's easier to eat fewer calories with a high protein low carb diet, because that diet makes you feel full more than a high carb diet of similar calories, but the type of food isn't why you're losing weight.

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– current_horror 8 points 144 days ago +8 / -0

You just explained how the type of food is, in fact, why they're losing weight. That's what a diet is. People aren't machines.

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– censorthisss 5 points 144 days ago +5 / -0

The why is burning more calories than they eat.

The how is eating foods that allow them to stick to the calorie deficit.

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– AllDueRespect 4 points 144 days ago +4 / -0

Can't help but notice you're hiding a lot of work in the "burn" part. As if there wasn't 10 semesters worth of biochem involved in that "burning" process, each intensely interested in what form the calories come.

People aren't stoves you shove wood or coal into, and get BTUs out. Yes, your body will come out different if you eat 10,000 calories of meat versus drink 10,000 calories of beer.

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– ShekelJa 3 points 144 days ago +3 / -0

You completely disregarded the entire biochemical process behind weight loss.

And you people wonder why so many people fail to lose weight simply by "eating less, moving more". It is not a lack of will power or discipline. It is a lack of understanding of the physiological implications behind different foods.

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– censorthisss 1 point 143 days ago +1 / -0

Eating less is all you need to do. No exercise required although it can help a little, but it takes around 30 minutes of running to burn off 2 Oreo cookies. Much easier to just not eat those cookies.

The reason so many people fail is because they have zero discipline and don't properly count calories. Not because they aren't eating specific foods.

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– deleted 1 point 144 days ago +1 / -0
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– voidposter 1 point 144 days ago +1 / -0

I also think it is in part becoming mindful of what you're eating.

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– current_horror 2 points 144 days ago +2 / -0

This is most of it. Also, very few people overeat vegetables.

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– ShekelJa 1 point 144 days ago +1 / -0

Wrong. Eating different foods determine how easy it is to lose weight on a deficit.

You are more than welcome to prove us wrong by eating at a caloric deficit exclusively eating high fructose foods.

You people will never bother of course. People like me have experimented and can tell you that eating properly makes it easy to fast for up to 48 hours. It would be impossible to smoothly maintain a 48 hour fast if you eat junk food of the same caloric amount.

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– censorthisss 1 point 143 days ago +1 / -0

Bro I literally said that certain foods make you feel more full and therefore it's easier to stick to a calorie deficit.

But a calorie is a calorie and when it comes to LONG TERM weight loss, it doesn't matter what type of calories you're ingesting. You people can't fucking read apparently jesus christ

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– AllDueRespect 1 point 143 days ago +1 / -0

This isn't a reading issue, you're simply massively incorrect, which several people have pointed out to you, and explained why.

Hey, can I have your pancreas? Since apparently you're not doing anything important with it.

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– censorthisss 1 point 143 days ago +1 / -0

Clearly it's a reading comprehension issue because you're talking about health outcomes, which have fuck-all to do with my original point.

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– AllDueRespect 1 point 142 days ago +1 / -0

Sigh. No. You are talking weight management. Everyone here understands perfectly well you're talking about weight management. Everyone read it. Everyone understands it.

You are still wrong. Utterly, completely, ridiculously, enormously wrong. Everyone has very successfully read the enormously incorrect things you've said, processed them, and rebutted them.

Literally nobody has in any way said that you're talking about health outcomes. Everyone who has responded to you has done so sticking to the topic of weight loss.

You are correct about exactly one thing: This is a reading comprehension issue. You clearly can't fucking read.

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– DieHeretic 1 point 144 days ago +1 / -0

Keto forces your body to burn stored carbs. The type of food does make a difference.

Eat a high carb diet of similar calories to a keto diet, see how much stored fat you lose.

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– censorthisss 2 points 144 days ago +2 / -0

I'll take your word that it might make a difference over a short period of a few days, but if you eat 1,800 calories of meat per day vs 1,800 calories of cotton candy per day, over the long run the results will be the same.

The latter is a whole lot worse for you from a health perspective obviously, but strictly talking weight loss it's all just calories.

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– ernsithe 2 points 144 days ago +2 / -0

Try eating 1,800 calories a day of cellulose and see what happens.

Sarcasm aside, your body is not 100% efficient. Food type does matter. Just not in the fatlogic, "I ate 10,000 calories of fruit, that's healthy," way.

Breaking down proteins requires more energy than sugar. There's overhead. So... no. 1800 calories of meat vs 1800 calories of cotton candy will not yield the same results. The first part of "Calories-in, calories-out" isn't based on the value of the food when it enters your mouth. It's based on the energy actually being input into the system.

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– DieHeretic 1 point 144 days ago +1 / -0

You aren't taking into consideration the glycogen depletion effect keto has on your body.

What you eat reallly does effect how you both lose the weight and keep it off. It will make a difference how your body looks after losing weight one way over the other.

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– deleted 1 point 144 days ago +1 / -0
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– fvckface 8 points 144 days ago +8 / -0

or too addicted to cheap carbs.

The majority of people against keto or carnivore are in this camp.

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– freedomlogic 3 points 144 days ago +3 / -0

Addicted, or all they can really afford. Funny how the most processed, shelf stable stuff is the cheapest. I cant even bring myself to eat mac and cheese for example because I know its just full of shit with zero nutrition in it. Watching that tik tok dietician influencer claiming that mac and cheese cups in a plastic bowl heated up at your gas station is a relatively healthy snack.

People getting paid some big money to spread misinformation around.

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– AllDueRespect 5 points 144 days ago +5 / -0

This is a commonly repeated canard, but it doesn't actually wash. Cheap, processed, packaged food is only cheaper if comparing single-servings.

Buying things like rice, flour, corn in minor bulk (not talking much, maybe a pound or more) and fresh vegetables, and combining them into actual meals, costs less per serving than this fake-wheat-palm-oil-assembled-into-food-shapes bullshit.

It doesn't keep nearly as well, because microbes and microflora also consider these meals to be food, unlike that other shit. But cost is not the prevailing issue here--it's knowledge, effort, and will.

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– ShekelJa 1 point 144 days ago +1 / -0

That is an interesting point you made, because the price difference is a misconception.

Eating the cheap junk food only drives hunger even more, causing people to eat even more.

The paradox of healthy eating is that, despite it being more expensive, the food will fill you up to such an absurd degree that you will intuitively eat significantly less, resulting in a smaller food bill. The irony is that cheaply priced junk food is significantly more expensive.

From personal experience, I can comfortably subsist on a 48 hour fast if I eat ~6 dollars worth of meat. I would barely last 4 hours if I ate ~6 dollars worth of ultra processed garbage.

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– CaptainTrouble 1 point 144 days ago +1 / -0

I actually found when I did this I didn't lose weight but gained weight because I found cooking meat (and cleaning) so much easier than cooking carbs and I loved meat. I ended up eating more while only eating meat than when I wasn't eating meat.

At the end of the day, you lose weight by eating less and it doesn't matter how you do it. A big thing about the carnivore diet that's probably overlooked is for some men, it might lead to better testosterone production and estrogen ratios relative to T levels which if the levels were imbalanced often leads to water retention which makes people look fat so the diet seems to help with "losing weight" to some more than others.

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– ShekelJa 1 point 144 days ago +1 / -0

At the end of the day, you lose weight by eating less AND by keeping your insulin levels below threshold for as long as possible.

Most people who fail to lose weight by eating less and moving more often unknowingly keep their insulin levels chronically elevated, forcing the body to preferentially force people to eat by worsening hunger and cravings or by forcing the body to preferentially lower metabolic rate.

In essence, a deficit coupled with low insulin yields continuous long-term weight loss without the turbulence of discomfort. It is the missing piece of the puzzle for people who can't find the ability to reliably eat less.

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– CaptainTrouble 1 point 144 days ago +1 / -0

How do you keep insulting below threshold?

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– freedomlogic 1 point 144 days ago +1 / -0

Sure, thats what you guys kept saying about the pop.

Even though ive said before that when I quit drinking pop the dozen times before, ive never lost weight. I could eat 1200 calories a day and still not lose weight.

I have to actively exercise and keep calories under 800 if I want to see a difference, which is hard to stay motivated when your no longer looking for a mate, and say suffering from a metabolic disease like hyperparathyroidism.

Ive drank maybe 4, 2 liters of pop in the last 6 months. I havent lost a fucking pound.

Blood sugars feel alot better though, i dont wake up in the morning feeling like my stomach is going to eat itself.

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– MattTheBlack 2 points 144 days ago +2 / -0

I've had to train several people out of shitty nutrition practices

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– ArchRespawnsAgain 1 point 144 days ago +1 / -0

No one who watched the clotshot fiasco unfold should be surprised by this

This makes Alex Jones jumping on it even funnier.

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– daberoniandcheese 38 points 144 days ago +38 / -0

So many people (mostly women) I know are taking GLP1 shots, including my own mother. It just makes me sigh and shake my head. Normies will fall for every single scam they're sold, no matter how many times they've been burned in the past.

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– Kaarous 33 points 144 days ago +33 / -0

Anything but actually exercising lol.

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– 70thLike 28 points 144 days ago +28 / -0

The sadder reality is that they don't even need to exercise to get that calorie deficit. Just eating less will save them time and money too.

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– current_horror 9 points 144 days ago +9 / -0

Exercise is for fitness. Losing weight is 90% diet.

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– ShekelJa 2 points 144 days ago +2 / -0

It's retarded, I had people push acupuncture as a secret weight loss and health improvement tool while simultaneously invalidating every nutrition intervention that I have developed to address the same issues.

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– RealWildRanter 20 points 144 days ago +20 / -0

I had a friend who tried to convince me to take the scam shots by saying modern vaxxes needed frequent updates just like a smart phone would completely ignoring how the immune system has worked forever.

No wonder they would take poison like this just to look good without asking any questions. Forget zero side effect solutions like dieting and exercising. That's obsolete!

Anyway, sorry to hear about your mother. I wish you and your family the best.

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– Benevolentdictator 8 points 144 days ago +8 / -0

Imagine unironically trying to use unwanted smartphone OS updates as an example of a system where "progress" should be embraced unquestiongly with open arms. Kek.

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– OBRIENMUSTSUFFER 19 points 144 days ago +19 / -0

Normies believe both only what they see and everything they see, it’s pretty remarkable.

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– 70thLike 16 points 144 days ago +16 / -0

My sister is too. I've told her exactly how to lose weight, and she wasn't interested. Even though she doing exactly what I said. She just wanted the drugs to tell her not to eat extra, instead of her own willpower. The problem (besides the side effects, obviously) is that her poor willpower will return whenever she quits the shots. Instead of training it the right way.

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– current_horror 7 points 144 days ago +7 / -0

The other problem is that having no willpower or discipline is a bad thing in general. If she can exercise regularly and learn to control her calorie intake, then she can apply that discipline to every other area of her life. If she's just injecting a solution, her brain will continue to look for the easy way out everywhere else, too.

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– ShekelJa 3 points 144 days ago +3 / -0

In my opinion, the demand for will power and discipline with eating properly only arises in response to the turbulence with cutting out calories without correcting the physiological barriers.

From what I have seen, anyone can potentially side step the need for will power and discipline if they approach their weight management with a cohesive physiological context.

Unfortunately, the secret is so deviant from the establishment standard of care that people would probably accuse me of being a witch for bringing it up.

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– 70thLike 2 points 144 days ago +2 / -0

Curious to hear a bit more context about what you mean here. It somewhat reminds me of the idea of using ibogaine to rewire and addict's brain.

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– Benevolentdictator 6 points 144 days ago +6 / -0

I really thought the needle-based delivery system would be a major hurdle to keep some of the normies away from Get-Thin-Quick fads like Ozempic.

Injections for insulin, testosterone, roids, etc is always a little bit of a tough sell for many initially.

Guess I was wrong.

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– current_horror 7 points 144 days ago +7 / -0

Are you not familiar with modern day pen needle tech? It's pretty quick and painless.

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– deleted 4 points 144 days ago +4 / -0
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– undecidedmask2 29 points 144 days ago +29 / -0

I thought it was extremely obvious that these weight loss drugs would have serious side effects. They’re all meant for something else but that something else is usually life-threatening so you’re much more willing to put up with more serious effects to stay alive. This also ignores the fact that, like many other serious drugs, you are messing with biological processes that aren’t so easy to fix (steroids are the other common culprit, destroying mens hormone levels and production) and thus shouldn’t be taken like candy. It’s laziness, and I’d bet well over 95% of cases could be solved with quality eating habits and movement exercise.

All this ignores the obvious issues with big pharma being supervillains, so double all the prior issues and add this in.

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– Benevolentdictator 5 points 144 days ago +5 / -0

The other thing is that the OG weight loss claims were fairly unimpressive when it was originally marketed solely as a diabetic drug 1st to control blood sugars with some weight loss secondary benefits.

IIRC, your average fatty only lost 5 lbs or so on the drug in the original literature. Of course that's an average, so individuals will have varying results. But the promise of 5 lbs isn't really worth unending your life over.

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– ernsithe 22 points 144 days ago +22 / -0

Plaintiffs represent only a fraction of the 12% of American adults – or more than 31 million people – the nonpartisan health policy organization KFF estimates are currently using a GLP-1 drug.

Holy shit. I knew it was prevalent, but not 1 out of every 8-9 adults.

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– 70thLike 15 points 144 days ago +15 / -0

This is seriously mind boggling. It's gonna live rent free in my head for months.

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– SophiesBoyfriend 14 points 144 days ago +14 / -0

“I want ozempic on ma burger”

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– Benevolentdictator 7 points 144 days ago +7 / -0

Reminiscent of other failed weight loss drugs like Olestra, where side effects included uncontrollable fecal incontinence.

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– SophiesBoyfriend 6 points 144 days ago +6 / -0

olestra would clearly always cause fecal incontenence - it blocked the body from absorbing fat - where did they think it will end up?

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– SarcasticRidley 12 points 144 days ago +12 / -0

"I'm surrounded by idiots" - Scar

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– current_horror 4 points 144 days ago +4 / -0

Doctors are pushing this shit harder than any drug in recent memory. They're trying to rush it into that mount Rushmore of drugs alongside statins and other meds prescribed for virtually everyone. Ozempic and company don't go generic until 2032 in America, so pharma can make hundreds of billions in the interim.

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– ShekelJa 3 points 144 days ago +3 / -0

I remember when the doc pushed that shit on me in Q1 2023. The pamplet was so pristine and made ample use of popup-book technology.

She and the pamphlet went over virtually everything about the drug.... except the damn side effects. That was the red flag that told me to walk away from that crap.

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– current_horror 2 points 144 days ago +2 / -0

This is the big takeaway. 4400 plaintiffs suing over side effects from a drug with 30+ million takers? That's nothing. Still a bad drug, though.

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– ShekelJa 1 point 144 days ago +1 / -0

It's a response bias. 4400 may not compare to 30 million, but that does not assume only 4400 has suffered. Once those daytime commercials become saturated with ozempic claims, I anticipate that number to skyrocket.

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– nuggetpatrol 15 points 144 days ago +15 / -0

Correlation time. Since Ozempic existed ... did anyone else hear anything about fat acceptance?

Yeah me either.

Funny that.

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– current_horror 6 points 144 days ago +6 / -0

Which tells you that fat acceptance was always about forcing everyone to tolerate sloth and gluttony. The moment that weight loss became as easy as an injection, everyone stopped defending obesity.

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– LastRights 13 points 144 days ago +13 / -0

A Maryland truck driver suffered an “eye stroke” that left him blind, first in one eye and then the other.

A Louisiana woman vomited for weeks before being diagnosed with a brain dysfunction typically caused by a vitamin deficiency.

An Oklahoma real estate agent heard her colon pop as it ruptured while she drove her granddaughter home from a softball game. “My colon blew up. Literally blew up,” she said.

In March of 2024, McClain was driving her 14-year-old granddaughter home from high-school softball when they heard a loud noise. It sounded like a balloon popping, she said.

In addition, USA TODAY’s review revealed at least 110 plaintiffs across both the federal and state lawsuits allege the drugs caused sudden blindness or severe vision changes, and at least one plaintiff says she’s developed a serious neurological condition called Wernicke's encephalopathy that causes mental confusion, double vision and poor coordination.

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– MassivePecorino 3 points 143 days ago +3 / -0

An Oklahoma real estate agent heard her colon pop as it ruptured while she drove her granddaughter home from a softball game. “My colon blew up. Literally blew up,” she said.

What the absolute fuck did I just read?

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– Winter 11 points 144 days ago +11 / -0

What’s adding to the scary part of this is there are a lot of young people taking this who don’t really even need to use it, they are only maybe 15-25 pounds over weight. So many, it bugs me so bad that we have become a pill popping culture. Does it get you the result? Yes? Well side effects be damn, as long as I look good.

You could say this about Botox, fillers and plastic surgery as well. Women starting to look like clones, it’s unsettling.

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– quebec-is-a-shithole 9 points 144 days ago +9 / -0

Wow, are you telling me there is no magical pill that can magically fix my problems? SHOCKING!

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– PM-Melania-feet-pics 2 points 144 days ago +2 / -0

It's diet and exercise but your average goycattle can't bring themselves to it.

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– dzonatan 6 points 144 days ago +6 / -0

Well... am I glad I did it the ol' fashioned way.

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– subbookkeeper 6 points 144 days ago +6 / -0

It's so bizarre that amateur bodybuilders on forums used and gave better medical advice about these drugs for the past decade.

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– KingLion7 6 points 144 days ago +6 / -0

You know, there was all thos snake oil salesmen back during the 1800s. Selling miracle cures and whatnot. I wonder what the demographics for their victims looked like...

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– SophiesBoyfriend 5 points 144 days ago +5 / -0

But unlike covid, the health effects of being morbidly obese are very real and not imaginary.

I still think we should let people decide to take these drugs.

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– WeedleTLiar 3 points 144 days ago +3 / -0

Agreed, people should be allowed to take anything they like, so long as they know what it is.

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– Hing 4 points 144 days ago +4 / -0

The link just gives me infinite captchas.

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– Filo76 6 points 144 days ago +6 / -0

Found the bot! ;)

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– OmegaBird 2 points 144 days ago +2 / -0

Archive.is piece of shit link does not even load this time. How about you link the actual article Source?

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– MattTheBlack 1 point 144 days ago +1 / -0

Lol hit me up if you know anyone wanting to sue

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– ShekelJa 1 point 144 days ago +1 / -0

Every single drug that enters the market will eventually have the airwaves saturated with "DID YOU TAKE THIS DRUG? YOU MAY HAVE A CLAIM!" in a matter of months.

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