He's looking at it from the point of view of a business owner who doesn't care about society. Of course it's financially better to hire two people for half wages. It's even better to hire ten people for no wages, but that's illegal so they don't do it.
There's exactly one thing the left has consistently gotten right, and it's that corporations are not your friend. Where they get it wrong is assuming that the reason corporations are bad is because of patriarchy or white supremacy or some other fictional force. The truth is the exact opposite.
The left being anti-corporation hasn't been true for over at least a decade all across the anglosphere. I would argue it's never been and only the fringes have ever uttered anything close to that effect.
Well, if someone wants to argue that, they're welcome to.
In my opinion, 'tried to be in charge of the United States, claimed they could do the job' is a lifelong title. I don't care if he's official, unofficial, or completely unrelated to government. He claimed he held the best interests of Americans, and would represent us. This isn't that, and he's a snake. I don't really care if he's in an official government position or not; he said he could lead us, he said he'd look after our interests. He lied.
I disagree - the Left has found that corporations can very much be your friend.
You just have to constantly threaten them with a lynch mob to do so, either literally or metaphorically. Which is where a lot of the DEI consultancy boils down to.
Still, it's a wonderful lesson to take away from the entire mess. Treat corporations like you're a mob boss and their place of residence can burn down at any time, and they're perfectly well-behaved.
Is it financially better to hire two people? Even if you are well suited for the position, understand the tasks you will be given, and have an understanding of that company's culture there will be some time spent in "training" And that is lost time as you aren't producing anything. Not to even touch on that these "immigrants" he is talking about have fake degrees and do everything through a script, basically robots.
He, Vivek, and Elon, obviously know how to run a business, and I don't, so what I am missing here?
Only someone who is long removed from or has never worked at all near the bottom thinks "more people = better production."
Someone making X$ an hour is likely somewhat qualified and can take on the extra responsibilities of such a wage, including being a singular point through which all their work passes. They are making okay money, so they will be less likely to leave.
Two people make X/2$ are the bottom of any barrel being scraped and can replace this job any day if they get too annoyed. The responsibilities are spread thinner, as is any gained experience, on a likely fickle and underqualified employee.
Basically, it only works if you are looking a graph or spreadsheet to operate your company. Once you hit the floor you easily see the problems it creates.
I know a workplace that cycles through its entire HR department more than once a year. At one point, everyone had their own emails, but now the turnover is so high that they just don't bother. And the reason is simple: HR requires a degree and a certification. And they pay them probably only 50-66% what they should, so when any internal job posting is posted, they nominate themselves, interview themselves, and transfer themselves out to the better position... Which includes front-line workers, because with tips they're vastly out-earning the degree-and-cert HR professionals.
The company will inevitably claim they can't fill the roles, and need foreign workers... Because no one wants to work for 1.25x minimum wage for a job that requires a degree AND a secondary certification. They have done so, in fact... But of course those people ALSO can see the pay rates, and just transfer out, too. Leading to needing even more, in a snowballing feedback loop. Could have had just one worker, but out of the need to have two half-price ones, they're hiring 20-30.
Two people make X/2$ are the bottom of any barrel being scraped and can replace this job any day if they get too annoyed.
If the employees were citizens or even illegals, then sure. H-1Bs can't leave, which is why corpos love it. Either they tolerate the low pay and extra responsibilities, or they get fired, lose their visa sponsorship and get deported.
It depends on corporate goals, how you get bonuses, etc.
Lets say your goal is to get to x% diversity to get a bonus. Ignoring how illegal this is, hiring 2 pajeet is better than hiring 1 white dude who would actually do the work. Upper management usually cycles out in a year or two, so they don't care about long term.
The other thing is it allows you cut 1 person in a year and say "look how much we're saving this year in headcount and overhead".
Vivek has absolutely self immolated with his visa stance. No one will trust him on anything after this.
Vivek is also demonstrating that even supposedly fully integrated migrants are still foreigners. They don't think like natives, and don't have a fully native culture.
Yup, some even in my own family judged me for saying one of the reasons I didn't trust Vivek was because he was Indian. Looks like I was fucking right.
He's also burned up all his cred as "one of the good Indians".
He was lauded a year ago for openly talking about The Great Replacement during the Republican primaries when he was given more leeway as a POC to touch on such a third rail.
Even then, people like Ann Coulter openly mused of their gut telling them not to trust him because he's one of them and not one of us.
Reading Vivek's post about saved by the bell was honestly one of the most 'radicalising' - hate that word but it does fit here - experiences for me in decades, eclipsing even much of the pandemic shit or anything written by internet nazis. It just goes to show that immigrants are generational time bombs. No matter how much they seem like One Of The Good Ones(tm), the chances are too great that at some point they'll turn around several generations down the line and attack their white host culture, even possibly without realising they're doing it. Revealing all along that their parents or grandparents didn't sail over and adopt the spirit of the host nation, they simply brought their racial solidarity and lower standard of living with them as a way of galvanising them to work cheaper than anyone in their host nation. It is impossible to separate 'working harder' from 'working cheaper' when it comes to immigrant labour, they are the same by definition.
Sam Hyde was possibly joking when he said 'everyone thought Vivek was cool, but now he said that thing and now he's gotta be deported. That's it, he's gotta be deported now.' But I actually did turn from a person who thought deporting people like Vivek was impractical pie-in-the-sky thinking, to flipping over and starting to think that actually the impractical thing is keeping these immigrant descendants around. It needs to become a slang term for a catastrophic, self-destructive mask-drop, 'to Vivek yourself' or 'Ramming the Swamy' or something.
Even Zainichi Koreans in Japan who look similar to Japanese and have been in Japan for many generations, still dont integrate and create problems like making "Zainichi rights groups" to destabalize the country.
There are always some lines you just don't cross, and once you've shown you are willing to there is no going back in the bottle.
Once you've shown that you are even willing to entertain such a stance remotely seriously, you've shown a huge hole in your "principles" that cannot ever be ignored again.
"America is just an idea" is their claim right? In civic nationalism if all it takes to become a citizen is agreeing with a creed, then violation of that creed should be enough to remove his citizenship and send him back.
As per usual, the migration "debate" always ends at the point that they demand cheap labour that is unironically cheaper than slave labour (since slave labour would require you to keep you slaves fed, clothed and relatively healthy).
Quality is not a concern. Ethics is not a concern. Morals is not a concern. Culture is not a concern.
At this stage, if this is the current trajectory, I want Trump not to increase tariffs, but drop them entirely. Because once you mass import a slave labour class, it will take multiple generations until that can even possibly be undone even with ideal conditions to achieve that. So fuck it. Keep the foreign slave labour class, but keep them abroad, not domestic.
America exists for the benefit of Americans. That doesn't necessarily mean it has to come at the expense of foreigners or foreign countries, but it does mean that their interests never come before Americans within our borders.
If you don't see this as self-evident, you have no place in American government.
You're working at Chipotle to pay off your engineering degree because American companies won't hire you, but somebody else got hired at those companies and the line went up. What are you complaining about?
Because this is the core issue for us: opposing the great replacement. It wasn't just a legal vs illegal immigration thing, we don't want to be expected to compete with the whole world for jobs and homes in our own country.
Why are you sweeping away and ignoring people unironically promoting what is effectively a slave labour class?
Do you truly have that bad of a stunted attention span that this stops being an issue because you've now found it boring? Are you really that addled up there?
Would this be less of an issue if they had said it 30 months ago? Would it be less of a problem if they said it 10 years ago? Does any of that matter when they still stand by it to this day?
Vivek comes right out and says he would rather hire 2 $10 an hour H-1B's than one $20 an hour American
Actually, he said the exact opposite.
If a company can hire somebody to do a job for $20 an hour versus being able to hire two immigrants to do the same job for $10 an hour, we should stop those immigrants from coming in.
Yes, you are correct. I found the original video, because I figured this might have been out of context due to being very crazy. Turns out, no. This includes all the context.
Did we watch the same video? He said that hiring 2 immigrants would lead to more people being hired, and that he doesn't want a "right wing nanny state". he was clearly of the opinion that hiring more immigrants is better. and he's been pro H-1B visas the whole time
Listened to it again, and you're absolutely right. What I thought was his position was actually what he attacked as 'the protectionist position'... even though it's a moderately pro-immigration position.
Actually, he said the exact opposite...we should stop those immigrants from coming in.
"...is what those retarded protections say, but they're wrong, and here's why my stance is the exact opposite of that argument I put forward to represent someone else's view."
At least view the full clip first.
Ninja edit: I see you did go back and watch, and called Vivek insane. Alright, good. Still should have paid more attention before condemning OP and others. You definitively said something completely opposite of reality, while dunking on people.
I watched it twice before I posted. It was a bit confusing to me, because what he frames as the 'protectionist' position is... just plain common sense. So I thought "the protectionist says 'I don't care about any of that...' I just say [Vivek's position.]"
The idea that you would bring in 2 immigrants so they can be paid $10/hour so that one native would not be paid $20/hour is just... wild. That's an open invitation to immigrants to undercut wages.
Cuckservatives shocked that a pajeet (a non-white) is a grifter ''conservative'' for the stay and would sell you out in an instant, not to say I told you so but, I told you so.
Never works out like that… it’s more common for companies to hire 2 H1B to gain some grant cash or tax right offs then hire a citizen to fix their fuck ups when the money dries up.
Favoring your ethnic group over others is the most normal thing in the world, Americans need to get that through their thick ass skulls.
There's a well known concept of not taking species out of their native habitat. "Indians can succeed anywhere but India" because whites have no defenses against their particular blend of inane flattery and outrageous lying.
What an absolute fucking faggot. Also I like how he dropped the libertarian nationalism in there. That ought to be a huge red pill to the retardedness of libertarianism.
It is kinda scary.. doge.. what if it is just firing 10 non indian americans (as useless as they may be if dei or whatever) and replacing them with 1 indian american. And doing this for 90% of the positions and jobs in government.
But infinitely more Americans being hired, for that example position. With better wages.
Globalist nonsense is inherently anti-American.
He's looking at it from the point of view of a business owner who doesn't care about society. Of course it's financially better to hire two people for half wages. It's even better to hire ten people for no wages, but that's illegal so they don't do it.
There's exactly one thing the left has consistently gotten right, and it's that corporations are not your friend. Where they get it wrong is assuming that the reason corporations are bad is because of patriarchy or white supremacy or some other fictional force. The truth is the exact opposite.
The left being anti-corporation hasn't been true for over at least a decade all across the anglosphere. I would argue it's never been and only the fringes have ever uttered anything close to that effect.
Except for
Which would be one thing if that's all he was, and he wasn't also a politician who is supposed to be working for the benefit of Americans.
You don't get to talk about "more workers" but less American jobs being a good thing if you represent Americans, without drawing well deserved scorn.
Well, if someone wants to argue that, they're welcome to.
In my opinion, 'tried to be in charge of the United States, claimed they could do the job' is a lifelong title. I don't care if he's official, unofficial, or completely unrelated to government. He claimed he held the best interests of Americans, and would represent us. This isn't that, and he's a snake. I don't really care if he's in an official government position or not; he said he could lead us, he said he'd look after our interests. He lied.
I disagree - the Left has found that corporations can very much be your friend.
You just have to constantly threaten them with a lynch mob to do so, either literally or metaphorically. Which is where a lot of the DEI consultancy boils down to.
Still, it's a wonderful lesson to take away from the entire mess. Treat corporations like you're a mob boss and their place of residence can burn down at any time, and they're perfectly well-behaved.
Is it financially better to hire two people? Even if you are well suited for the position, understand the tasks you will be given, and have an understanding of that company's culture there will be some time spent in "training" And that is lost time as you aren't producing anything. Not to even touch on that these "immigrants" he is talking about have fake degrees and do everything through a script, basically robots.
He, Vivek, and Elon, obviously know how to run a business, and I don't, so what I am missing here?
Only someone who is long removed from or has never worked at all near the bottom thinks "more people = better production."
Someone making X$ an hour is likely somewhat qualified and can take on the extra responsibilities of such a wage, including being a singular point through which all their work passes. They are making okay money, so they will be less likely to leave.
Two people make X/2$ are the bottom of any barrel being scraped and can replace this job any day if they get too annoyed. The responsibilities are spread thinner, as is any gained experience, on a likely fickle and underqualified employee.
Basically, it only works if you are looking a graph or spreadsheet to operate your company. Once you hit the floor you easily see the problems it creates.
I know a workplace that cycles through its entire HR department more than once a year. At one point, everyone had their own emails, but now the turnover is so high that they just don't bother. And the reason is simple: HR requires a degree and a certification. And they pay them probably only 50-66% what they should, so when any internal job posting is posted, they nominate themselves, interview themselves, and transfer themselves out to the better position... Which includes front-line workers, because with tips they're vastly out-earning the degree-and-cert HR professionals.
The company will inevitably claim they can't fill the roles, and need foreign workers... Because no one wants to work for 1.25x minimum wage for a job that requires a degree AND a secondary certification. They have done so, in fact... But of course those people ALSO can see the pay rates, and just transfer out, too. Leading to needing even more, in a snowballing feedback loop. Could have had just one worker, but out of the need to have two half-price ones, they're hiring 20-30.
If the employees were citizens or even illegals, then sure. H-1Bs can't leave, which is why corpos love it. Either they tolerate the low pay and extra responsibilities, or they get fired, lose their visa sponsorship and get deported.
Ah, fair. But given this is America, I doubt they actually follow those rules and don't just get shuffled around.
It depends on corporate goals, how you get bonuses, etc.
Lets say your goal is to get to x% diversity to get a bonus. Ignoring how illegal this is, hiring 2 pajeet is better than hiring 1 white dude who would actually do the work. Upper management usually cycles out in a year or two, so they don't care about long term.
The other thing is it allows you cut 1 person in a year and say "look how much we're saving this year in headcount and overhead".
More jerbs = line on graph go up. Line only go up.
Praise the line!
Vivek has absolutely self immolated with his visa stance. No one will trust him on anything after this.
Vivek is also demonstrating that even supposedly fully integrated migrants are still foreigners. They don't think like natives, and don't have a fully native culture.
He has to go back. Go make India great again.
Yup, some even in my own family judged me for saying one of the reasons I didn't trust Vivek was because he was Indian. Looks like I was fucking right.
He's also burned up all his cred as "one of the good Indians".
He was lauded a year ago for openly talking about The Great Replacement during the Republican primaries when he was given more leeway as a POC to touch on such a third rail.
Even then, people like Ann Coulter openly mused of their gut telling them not to trust him because he's one of them and not one of us.
Identitarian instincts remain undefeated.
Reading Vivek's post about saved by the bell was honestly one of the most 'radicalising' - hate that word but it does fit here - experiences for me in decades, eclipsing even much of the pandemic shit or anything written by internet nazis. It just goes to show that immigrants are generational time bombs. No matter how much they seem like One Of The Good Ones(tm), the chances are too great that at some point they'll turn around several generations down the line and attack their white host culture, even possibly without realising they're doing it. Revealing all along that their parents or grandparents didn't sail over and adopt the spirit of the host nation, they simply brought their racial solidarity and lower standard of living with them as a way of galvanising them to work cheaper than anyone in their host nation. It is impossible to separate 'working harder' from 'working cheaper' when it comes to immigrant labour, they are the same by definition.
Sam Hyde was possibly joking when he said 'everyone thought Vivek was cool, but now he said that thing and now he's gotta be deported. That's it, he's gotta be deported now.' But I actually did turn from a person who thought deporting people like Vivek was impractical pie-in-the-sky thinking, to flipping over and starting to think that actually the impractical thing is keeping these immigrant descendants around. It needs to become a slang term for a catastrophic, self-destructive mask-drop, 'to Vivek yourself' or 'Ramming the Swamy' or something.
Even Zainichi Koreans in Japan who look similar to Japanese and have been in Japan for many generations, still dont integrate and create problems like making "Zainichi rights groups" to destabalize the country.
There are always some lines you just don't cross, and once you've shown you are willing to there is no going back in the bottle.
Once you've shown that you are even willing to entertain such a stance remotely seriously, you've shown a huge hole in your "principles" that cannot ever be ignored again.
"America is just an idea" is their claim right? In civic nationalism if all it takes to become a citizen is agreeing with a creed, then violation of that creed should be enough to remove his citizenship and send him back.
Legal mass immigration is perfectly compatible with civic nationalism.
Vivek must go back.
I know he's 2nd generation, but he's an Indian. Nepotism is probably in the Indian constitution. They only hire other Indians.
Every ethnic group does this.
Except for Whites.
There's alot of reasons for this, predominate among them that they're the only ones that end up punished for doing so...
As per usual, the migration "debate" always ends at the point that they demand cheap labour that is unironically cheaper than slave labour (since slave labour would require you to keep you slaves fed, clothed and relatively healthy).
Quality is not a concern. Ethics is not a concern. Morals is not a concern. Culture is not a concern.
At this stage, if this is the current trajectory, I want Trump not to increase tariffs, but drop them entirely. Because once you mass import a slave labour class, it will take multiple generations until that can even possibly be undone even with ideal conditions to achieve that. So fuck it. Keep the foreign slave labour class, but keep them abroad, not domestic.
I can't wait until this slimy fuck is blown out in the 2028 primaries. We should deport his ass along with the rest of the street shitting pajeets.
He's the type of Republican that centrist hate
America exists for the benefit of Americans. That doesn't necessarily mean it has to come at the expense of foreigners or foreign countries, but it does mean that their interests never come before Americans within our borders.
If you don't see this as self-evident, you have no place in American government.
Fixed that for you.
also, four american grandparents to have a government position of any kind.
You're working at Chipotle to pay off your engineering degree because American companies won't hire you, but somebody else got hired at those companies and the line went up. What are you complaining about?
Better for who, the 2 guys making $10 an hour?
Romney Republicanism is BACK baby! WINNING 🤑💸💸💸
Saar we are CEO but we can't do it in India saar
Saar we are high income earners but we can't it in India saar
When will America do the needful and flush this stinking poo back to his New Delhi slum?
Because nothing policy wise has changed despite all the MAGA outrage.
Except for new shiny key-rattling distractions about decades-old Paki UK grooming gangs and annexing Canada.
Because this is the core issue for us: opposing the great replacement. It wasn't just a legal vs illegal immigration thing, we don't want to be expected to compete with the whole world for jobs and homes in our own country.
Why are you sweeping away and ignoring people unironically promoting what is effectively a slave labour class?
Do you truly have that bad of a stunted attention span that this stops being an issue because you've now found it boring? Are you really that addled up there?
Would this be less of an issue if they had said it 30 months ago? Would it be less of a problem if they said it 10 years ago? Does any of that matter when they still stand by it to this day?
It will be funny if he quietly edits "/s" into the comment.
Go back Saar.
Actually, he said the exact opposite.
If a company can hire somebody to do a job for $20 an hour versus being able to hire two immigrants to do the same job for $10 an hour, we should stop those immigrants from coming in.
Listen again. He gives two positions and "as a libertarian" disagrees with the latter protectionist view.
Yes, you are correct. I found the original video, because I figured this might have been out of context due to being very crazy. Turns out, no. This includes all the context.
Did we watch the same video? He said that hiring 2 immigrants would lead to more people being hired, and that he doesn't want a "right wing nanny state". he was clearly of the opinion that hiring more immigrants is better. and he's been pro H-1B visas the whole time
Listened to it again, and you're absolutely right. What I thought was his position was actually what he attacked as 'the protectionist position'... even though it's a moderately pro-immigration position.
His position is nuts.
I'm not sure what he thinks but I don't trust you, personally, to give an honest, good faith assessment of anything he says.
And no, I don't trust your mind-reading ability either.
Im literally just quoting what he said word for word, if you can't accept that that''s your problem.
"...is what those retarded protections say, but they're wrong, and here's why my stance is the exact opposite of that argument I put forward to represent someone else's view."
At least view the full clip first.
Ninja edit: I see you did go back and watch, and called Vivek insane. Alright, good. Still should have paid more attention before condemning OP and others. You definitively said something completely opposite of reality, while dunking on people.
I watched it twice before I posted. It was a bit confusing to me, because what he frames as the 'protectionist' position is... just plain common sense. So I thought "the protectionist says 'I don't care about any of that...' I just say [Vivek's position.]"
The idea that you would bring in 2 immigrants so they can be paid $10/hour so that one native would not be paid $20/hour is just... wild. That's an open invitation to immigrants to undercut wages.
Don't let the literal words coming out of his mouth get in the way of the narrative Tony.
Cuckservatives shocked that a pajeet (a non-white) is a grifter ''conservative'' for the stay and would sell you out in an instant, not to say I told you so but, I told you so.
I got downvoted for being sus of these guys..
uppity house guest
It is a nation not an economic zone. These people just don't understand.
Never works out like that… it’s more common for companies to hire 2 H1B to gain some grant cash or tax right offs then hire a citizen to fix their fuck ups when the money dries up.
Favoring your ethnic group over others is the most normal thing in the world, Americans need to get that through their thick ass skulls.
There's a well known concept of not taking species out of their native habitat. "Indians can succeed anywhere but India" because whites have no defenses against their particular blend of inane flattery and outrageous lying.
What an absolute fucking faggot. Also I like how he dropped the libertarian nationalism in there. That ought to be a huge red pill to the retardedness of libertarianism.
How is this guy less hated than Musk?
It's more Efficient that way. Infact it's more Efficient to replace you all
What did you expect when you heard "Department of Government Efficiency?"
It is kinda scary.. doge.. what if it is just firing 10 non indian americans (as useless as they may be if dei or whatever) and replacing them with 1 indian american. And doing this for 90% of the positions and jobs in government.
Indian Immigrants famously look out for each other due to culture of living under a cast system
And this is why I’m not a fan of capitalism