Vance was anti-Trump back in 2016. That said, he seems to have dropped opposition to Trump entirely - I don't know what's in his heart of hearts & all that, of course, but I'm not aware of him disparaging or even distancing himself from Trump in more recent years - and policy-wise he's been fairly solid AFAIK.
Especially on foreign & economic policy, he's been a consistent opponent of funding the Ukraine war (so much so that Ukraine put him on their kill list and he in turn personally got their tranny spokesman fired for advocating violence against people like himself) and a proponent of protectionist trade warfare. He's pro-tariff, pro-border wall & pro-trade war with China, which is a huge improvement over the older-school GOP 'free trade, free movement of workers & offshoring at all costs' business-as-usual. He's also on record opposing escalating shit in the Mideast to a war with Iran, which I'm guessing is the best any modern non-interventionist politician in office can do currently with AIPAC on a hair trigger & sure to bury any candidate who tries to take the next step & oppose funding Israel directly (as evidenced by what they did to Brandon Herrera and are still doing to the non-AOC Squad members). Socially he seems pretty standard for a Midwestern Republican - pro-life, voted against the law codifying fag marriage, is against trooning out children, etc.
At my most optimistic I'm hoping this is a sign that Trump is trying to groom a young successor (another advantage for Vance, he's only 39) who already has some name recognition to steer the GOP's future course: genuine conservative populists and American nationalists who actually want to conserve something other than Lockheed Martin's profit margins, are anti-immigration, anti-world policing, and prioritize domestic manufacturing & improving the livelihoods of Americans first over making the tycoons & Red Chinese richer than ever. At my most pessimistic, I still fear that somewhere very deep down, he may still be a Never-Trump sleeper agent and is waiting for a second attempt on Trump's life in hopes of playing LBJ in red. I guess we'll see soon enough.
One bad thing to come from this is that Vance just won his Senate seat in 2022, and him leaving it now means a replacement will have to be selected by the Governor of Ohio. Said governor is Mike DeWine, who's a RINO, so yeah.
I won't hold that against anyone. Prior to being elected and us getting to see what he was actually made of, it would have been easy to consider Trump as a gimmick candidate running as a publicity stunt.
Depends on if Vance's remarks were during the primaries or general election. When it was Trump vs. Cruz vs. Rubio vs. Kasich vs. Carson vs. Jeb! vs... Trump was definitely one of the less conventional candidates.
No it's just a supposedly "based" come-from-nowhere who's married to an Indian and was previously a never-Trump Hillary supporter until his sudden change of heart.
He also (((prayed))) at the special wall wearing a tiny hat. Seriously, are all "vetted" politicians required to suck Israel's dick on camera? A race traitor and jew worshipper isn't an ally. At best, he's just more of the same civic nationalist "conservative" failures we've seen on the right for decades. I can't believe how many times this lesson needs to be repeated for people on the right to get it.
If you were Indian, would you rather an incompetent Kamala actually having a real position or a nice Indian housewife who doesn't have any power but isn't a complete and utter embarrassment?
I think Vance will pick up a few Indian voters, but that's about all he'll do for the ticket.
He seems like a solid person to carry on Trump's legacy so choosing him seems like Trump is confident of winning.
You seem to be saying Kamala would import more Indians so Americans of Indian descent would prefer her in charge even though she's a clown.
If she was at all competent that would be a valid concern, because that's what they do, but I just don't see anyone thinking she would be capable of doing that.
I heard someone (maybe Styxenhammer?) cope on a post-assassination stream that Trump’s brush with death would get him to change his ways, close his inner circle and make better picks for loyalists in his admin.
The Vance pick was made pre-pew pew, but the fact he's still installing a Never Trumper as his successor demonstrates that it's still status quo.
Vance has been very good in the Senate so far. Is it possible it's been an act to gain further power? Maybe. But forever branding someone for saying some retarded things several years ago when their actions over the last few years are consistently good is shortsighted.
Vance has been one of the better populist voices in American politics over the last couple years. Definitely one of the better picks he could have made, if we are keeping the pool to people who were reasonably possible.
Vance has been TrumpOrBust for a while now. And ideologically, he's most aligned with Trump of all those guys.
Trump is putting aside his ego for once and picking the man who's best for the job.
My only worry is that Kamala Harris will out-debate him. She's a clown on the stump, but as a prosecutor, she can be a very good debater. Let's hope Biden's blunders can help the Trump team avoid a debate.
All the worst people hate him, and he's made all the "let's lower the temperature in the room" people on the left re-enter "threat to democracy" mode less than 24 hours after they pretended to exit it.
Puts the rust belt on lock. But saying that's their only purpose in this climate isn't true. He needs assassination insurance. Assuming Vance's change of heart was genuine and his Senate record reflects his actual intentions as VP, or God forbid, as president, then killing Trump isn't much of an upgrade for the deep state or their crazy leftist lapdogs, if at all.
Voters won't care about that. They care that he grew up a dirt poor hillbilly, made something of himself, and went into politics to help people like them.
Wait you are telling me the places that are experiencing the most replacement won't care about replacers ? this is an insane view point. have fun worshiping the shiva queen.
A person choosing to marry a girl they want to marry isn't the replacement that people justifiably bitch about. It's called freedom to do what you want.
The replacement people bitch about is millions of illegals pouring through the border. Or tons of people being brought over to do jobs that Americans can do. Even the vast majority of people who want to eliminate illegal immigration and strictly clamp down on legal immigration would be in favor of allowing visas for good faith marriages that aren't fraudulent.
But what do I know. I just have lived in the region my entire life.
Have you not actually read what the people in power have said they've wanted to do to White countries via the Kalergi plan? Miscegenation is one of their primary desired ways of replacing White people. Why do you think they're making all couples interracial in media? It's normalization and genocide priming propaganda.
I'm not sure what you're expecting me to say here? People should have the freedom to marry who they want. White men shouldn't need to restrict themselves to white women, many of whom are truly vile creatures in this day and age.
That being said, naturally, the best outcome is for that to be rectified ASAP. And of course, shady entities intentionally pushing that kind of propaganda with those kind of intentions deserve the wood chipper. But you're not going to find me saying that if a white dude wants to marry hispanic, asian, or black woman that he shouldn't due to some notion that he needs to preserve the white race. That he needs to go shack up with some harpy that despises him and will divorce rape him because white genocide or some shit.
Trump's weakest demographic is working, white, middle class. The 2020 election was right, "Union Dems" that voted for him really did pull back. This stems that bleeding. He's also a staunch populist so he's going to have a total lock on the midwest.
This is absolutely the single best possible fucking pick he could have made. I didn't think he'd do it because it would be too good of a pick. He's shit at picking people, and he ended up picking the single fucking best one.
JD Vance is genuinely interested in helping the American poor, white, working class; and is the author of Hillbilly Elegy. He is a staunch populist conservative, anti-war, anti-censorship, anti-globalist, anti-transgenderism, anti-tech monopoly.
I don't know, and frankly, I don't give a shit because I have enough evidence to suggest to me that that opinion has long since been discarded.
I voted for Hillary in 2016 because I didn't think Trump was a genuine candidate, and would end up being a bumbling moron. I was completely fucking wrong. And he's the best president I had in my entire life time. Fucking Sargon was right, if Hillary had won, we would have had a full-scale war with Russia and a possible nuclear exchange. I thought that was cooky nonsense at the time. Now I realize the reason we didn't have a nuclear exchange yet is because they don't have the political capital for it. They would have done it! They still want to!
I've said this before, but it was NPR's coverage of him that normalized me away from the political Left because it was so bad I couldn't tolerate the cognitive dissonance. It takes time to unlearn the programing.
Yeah he probably said things that were disagreeable to where he is now, but he figured it out. That's assuming any of that is true, which I don't know that it is.
That's assuming any of that is true, which I don't know that it is.
That's fair, especially this part. I didn't see video of all that myself, just going by what other people are claiming. That said, I give far greater leeway to a rando like you changing their political stances than I do to politicians. I barely consider them human. I tend to agree with Antonio that they only ever do what's expedient and is currently being demanded by their employers. In that sense, Vance reminds me of Cruz. They both literally "grew the beard" and became Trumpian. I suppose to the extent it means he now votes our way because he knows he has to then that's good enough, but I'd keep an eye on him. I won't pretend he has any personal convictions or wouldn't hesitate to change his stripes when the wind blows the other way.
Vance was anti-Trump back in 2016. That said, he seems to have dropped opposition to Trump entirely - I don't know what's in his heart of hearts & all that, of course, but I'm not aware of him disparaging or even distancing himself from Trump in more recent years - and policy-wise he's been fairly solid AFAIK.
Especially on foreign & economic policy, he's been a consistent opponent of funding the Ukraine war (so much so that Ukraine put him on their kill list and he in turn personally got their tranny spokesman fired for advocating violence against people like himself) and a proponent of protectionist trade warfare. He's pro-tariff, pro-border wall & pro-trade war with China, which is a huge improvement over the older-school GOP 'free trade, free movement of workers & offshoring at all costs' business-as-usual. He's also on record opposing escalating shit in the Mideast to a war with Iran, which I'm guessing is the best any modern non-interventionist politician in office can do currently with AIPAC on a hair trigger & sure to bury any candidate who tries to take the next step & oppose funding Israel directly (as evidenced by what they did to Brandon Herrera and are still doing to the non-AOC Squad members). Socially he seems pretty standard for a Midwestern Republican - pro-life, voted against the law codifying fag marriage, is against trooning out children, etc.
At my most optimistic I'm hoping this is a sign that Trump is trying to groom a young successor (another advantage for Vance, he's only 39) who already has some name recognition to steer the GOP's future course: genuine conservative populists and American nationalists who actually want to conserve something other than Lockheed Martin's profit margins, are anti-immigration, anti-world policing, and prioritize domestic manufacturing & improving the livelihoods of Americans first over making the tycoons & Red Chinese richer than ever. At my most pessimistic, I still fear that somewhere very deep down, he may still be a Never-Trump sleeper agent and is waiting for a second attempt on Trump's life in hopes of playing LBJ in red. I guess we'll see soon enough.
One bad thing to come from this is that Vance just won his Senate seat in 2022, and him leaving it now means a replacement will have to be selected by the Governor of Ohio. Said governor is Mike DeWine, who's a RINO, so yeah.
I won't hold that against anyone. Prior to being elected and us getting to see what he was actually made of, it would have been easy to consider Trump as a gimmick candidate running as a publicity stunt.
That was almost precisely my opinion of Trump going into the 2016 election.
"Yet another rich ideologue who says a bunch of things and won't do shit once he's in office."
Didn't think he'd be Hitler, but also didn't think he was even remotely genuine.
But he was, by far, the least bad president we've had in my adult lifetime.
Even if Trump was a joke candidate, he couldn’t possibly be any bigger of a joke than the person he ran against
Depends on if Vance's remarks were during the primaries or general election. When it was Trump vs. Cruz vs. Rubio vs. Kasich vs. Carson vs. Jeb! vs... Trump was definitely one of the less conventional candidates.
Yeah I'm really not looking forward to DeCuck getting to appoint his replacement. 100% will be a major downgrade.
DeLorean and time machine shenanigans?
Italians control the world /s
Not gonna lie, this is both surprising and makes Vance sound really good.
Not going to give him the benefit of the doubt, but fingers crossed.
As far as the pick Trump went with, WOW. he's like breath of fresh air compared to all of the legislators Trump picked back then.
At least it's not a woman.
No it's just a supposedly "based" come-from-nowhere who's married to an Indian and was previously a never-Trump Hillary supporter until his sudden change of heart.
He also (((prayed))) at the special wall wearing a tiny hat. Seriously, are all "vetted" politicians required to suck Israel's dick on camera? A race traitor and jew worshipper isn't an ally. At best, he's just more of the same civic nationalist "conservative" failures we've seen on the right for decades. I can't believe how many times this lesson needs to be repeated for people on the right to get it.
Yes they are basically all put through the humiliation ritual
Gotta marry at least 1 of their kids into the tribe as well
If you were Indian, would you rather an incompetent Kamala actually having a real position or a nice Indian housewife who doesn't have any power but isn't a complete and utter embarrassment?
I think Vance will pick up a few Indian voters, but that's about all he'll do for the ticket.
He seems like a solid person to carry on Trump's legacy so choosing him seems like Trump is confident of winning.
americans aint indians
How would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast??
i'd be rather hungry... how'd you feel if instead of 150-something-odd million americans, there were just 1.5 billion more indians?
You seem to be saying Kamala would import more Indians so Americans of Indian descent would prefer her in charge even though she's a clown.
If she was at all competent that would be a valid concern, because that's what they do, but I just don't see anyone thinking she would be capable of doing that.
Don't know much about Vance.
I heard someone (maybe Styxenhammer?) cope on a post-assassination stream that Trump’s brush with death would get him to change his ways, close his inner circle and make better picks for loyalists in his admin.
The Vance pick was made pre-pew pew, but the fact he's still installing a Never Trumper as his successor demonstrates that it's still status quo.
Vance has been very good in the Senate so far. Is it possible it's been an act to gain further power? Maybe. But forever branding someone for saying some retarded things several years ago when their actions over the last few years are consistently good is shortsighted.
Vance has been one of the better populist voices in American politics over the last couple years. Definitely one of the better picks he could have made, if we are keeping the pool to people who were reasonably possible.
Vance has been TrumpOrBust for a while now. And ideologically, he's most aligned with Trump of all those guys.
Trump is putting aside his ego for once and picking the man who's best for the job.
My only worry is that Kamala Harris will out-debate him. She's a clown on the stump, but as a prosecutor, she can be a very good debater. Let's hope Biden's blunders can help the Trump team avoid a debate.
She got her ass handed to her by both Mike Pence and Tulsi Gabbard. Vance is a better speaker than both of them.
He handed her the Lincoln question in a giftwrapped box.
Lincoln question?
I mean, her family owned slaves, but in Haiti.
Vance is very accomplished attorney and public speaker, and really really smart. He will make Harris look the simpleton she is.
Calling Vance a Never Trumper is like calling Thomas Massie an AIPAC slave.
I admitted I don't know much about Vance.
But I've seen some old leftist-style tweets from him ripping Trump saying Trump frightens him & his family, Trump is bad for migrants, blah blah blah.
I imagine they're 2016 vintage. But they still exist.
25 years ago, i wanted the Second Amendment repealed.
People can change. I did.
...But yeah, this is a strange decision. I trust that Trump knows more than I do, though.
From what I've heard, he's in the 'safe' picks in that in order to stop Trump by death they'd need to kill him too so isn't an establishment shill.
That's a good first step, now FILL the entire office when you get in with the sane kind of people too!
Second Lady usha chilukuri will lead us to prosperity !
All the worst people hate him, and he's made all the "let's lower the temperature in the room" people on the left re-enter "threat to democracy" mode less than 24 hours after they pretended to exit it.
A VP's sole purpose is to get the votes the nominee doesn't.
What does Vance get Trump?
Puts the rust belt on lock. But saying that's their only purpose in this climate isn't true. He needs assassination insurance. Assuming Vance's change of heart was genuine and his Senate record reflects his actual intentions as VP, or God forbid, as president, then killing Trump isn't much of an upgrade for the deep state or their crazy leftist lapdogs, if at all.
I am sure Second Lady usha chilukuri will win the rust belt for us !
Voters won't care about that. They care that he grew up a dirt poor hillbilly, made something of himself, and went into politics to help people like them.
Wait you are telling me the places that are experiencing the most replacement won't care about replacers ? this is an insane view point. have fun worshiping the shiva queen.
A person choosing to marry a girl they want to marry isn't the replacement that people justifiably bitch about. It's called freedom to do what you want.
The replacement people bitch about is millions of illegals pouring through the border. Or tons of people being brought over to do jobs that Americans can do. Even the vast majority of people who want to eliminate illegal immigration and strictly clamp down on legal immigration would be in favor of allowing visas for good faith marriages that aren't fraudulent.
But what do I know. I just have lived in the region my entire life.
Have you not actually read what the people in power have said they've wanted to do to White countries via the Kalergi plan? Miscegenation is one of their primary desired ways of replacing White people. Why do you think they're making all couples interracial in media? It's normalization and genocide priming propaganda.
I'm not sure what you're expecting me to say here? People should have the freedom to marry who they want. White men shouldn't need to restrict themselves to white women, many of whom are truly vile creatures in this day and age.
That being said, naturally, the best outcome is for that to be rectified ASAP. And of course, shady entities intentionally pushing that kind of propaganda with those kind of intentions deserve the wood chipper. But you're not going to find me saying that if a white dude wants to marry hispanic, asian, or black woman that he shouldn't due to some notion that he needs to preserve the white race. That he needs to go shack up with some harpy that despises him and will divorce rape him because white genocide or some shit.
Trump's weakest demographic is working, white, middle class. The 2020 election was right, "Union Dems" that voted for him really did pull back. This stems that bleeding. He's also a staunch populist so he's going to have a total lock on the midwest.
I’ve been meaning to read Hillbilly Elegy. Better go buy it now
His voting record is stellar. I’ve learned in life that you need to watch what people do & not always what they say.
This is absolutely the single best possible fucking pick he could have made. I didn't think he'd do it because it would be too good of a pick. He's shit at picking people, and he ended up picking the single fucking best one.
JD Vance is genuinely interested in helping the American poor, white, working class; and is the author of Hillbilly Elegy. He is a staunch populist conservative, anti-war, anti-censorship, anti-globalist, anti-transgenderism, anti-tech monopoly.
He's not a libertarian, but he's fucking our guy.
Why did he compare Trump to Hitler? That would make more sense if he were a libertarian. A guy above said he supported Hillary.
I don't know, and frankly, I don't give a shit because I have enough evidence to suggest to me that that opinion has long since been discarded.
I voted for Hillary in 2016 because I didn't think Trump was a genuine candidate, and would end up being a bumbling moron. I was completely fucking wrong. And he's the best president I had in my entire life time. Fucking Sargon was right, if Hillary had won, we would have had a full-scale war with Russia and a possible nuclear exchange. I thought that was cooky nonsense at the time. Now I realize the reason we didn't have a nuclear exchange yet is because they don't have the political capital for it. They would have done it! They still want to!
I've said this before, but it was NPR's coverage of him that normalized me away from the political Left because it was so bad I couldn't tolerate the cognitive dissonance. It takes time to unlearn the programing.
Yeah he probably said things that were disagreeable to where he is now, but he figured it out. That's assuming any of that is true, which I don't know that it is.
That's fair, especially this part. I didn't see video of all that myself, just going by what other people are claiming. That said, I give far greater leeway to a rando like you changing their political stances than I do to politicians. I barely consider them human. I tend to agree with Antonio that they only ever do what's expedient and is currently being demanded by their employers. In that sense, Vance reminds me of Cruz. They both literally "grew the beard" and became Trumpian. I suppose to the extent it means he now votes our way because he knows he has to then that's good enough, but I'd keep an eye on him. I won't pretend he has any personal convictions or wouldn't hesitate to change his stripes when the wind blows the other way.
Without a beard, he looks way to young.
Some people just need beards because their face is too puffy and round. Beards help men have the illusion of a chad chin.
His wife is a dot-head. Shit's fucked.
show me the babs! QUEEN SHIVA USHA Will save the republic!
Typical GOP turd who just threw on a MAGA hat, but I suppose it could have been worse.
The only people opposed to Vance are leftists or Fuentes-style spiritual leftists who say "Jew" a lot, which is a good sign.
Better than Nikki Haley but not by much. I have a feeling that Trump just put another Mike Pence within knife-in-the-back range.
My only solace is that Karl "Turd blossom" Rove is splerging out big time about it on Fox News (AKA - MSNBC-Lite).
So President Vance after the next soylent shooter succeeds?
I got worried for a second, that puke in Virginia rose in the prediction markets after Rubio and Burgam were ruled out.
This is the team that will install infinite pajeets into America.
I mean everyone who hates me also hates Vance so that's a big tick.
He's obviously not perfect but no-one is.
Who? I've never heard of this guy before.
he is a christian that married a non-christian imported from India.
He's a Skull & Bones guy.
I hope you get hit by a bus.