Not sure if I can actually avoid it, and considering I don’t have the money to move out just yet, I’m not sure if I can even really avoid taking it, so I’m trying to see if I have any options outside of just confronting mom there, as I already have told her this when she told me she wants me to get one in addition to the annual flu shot, but I’m trying to see if the confrontation fails and I end up having to take it, it’s possible to even flush the spike proteins and whatnot out, as a last resort.
If not, then fuck, but if so, I’ll try that, I just saw that MSM says it’s not possible but I wanna make sure that’s actually the case before I do something, so if you guys have had to do that before, let me know. Not having a higher paying job right now sucks ass.
Don't do it, she won't kick you out of the house. Stand your ground and be a man.
Told my boss in 21 that I'd never get it. Ended up my company never required it (I think a few spoke up and they didn't want to risk losing key people) just encouraged it with "discounts" on health coverage. I think those are gone for next FY too.
Gonna try over the next day or so because I genuinely don’t know what else I can do to avoid taking it, but we shall see.
Just tell her you took it.
maybe something in here will be of help? https://nojabforme.info/#home
Don't get a flu shot either.
Just tell her "no". Of course she will ask "why" reply with "that is what I decided".
Then she will whine but just remember women don't have the capability of logical reasoning. Instead invert her emotional manipulation back at her.
"If you loved me you would get it" --> "If you loved me you would respect my decision"
"Leave the house" --> "no, call the sheriff to kick me out"
Never lose your cool no matter how she digs into you.
Can you even get a flu shot if you're not 65+?
Ya they force it on us at work.
why not flu shot? it's still the classic immunization, not RNA treatment. last time I had flu it was just as intense as covid, but a bit longer. couldn't get flu shot the next 2 years because it was all reserved for the elderly.
Unless you are high risk why chance it?
Do you think covid is the only thing the "experts" have lied about?
Have there been repeatable studies that the flu shot is causing the same kinda shit the clot shot does?
Is the clot shot and the flu shot the only two shots you don't take or do you have the same mentality about all other vaccinations?
Besides COVID19 the flu shot is the only seasonal vaccination adults are recommended to take that I'm aware of. I've seen people encouraged to get the Shingles vaccine, but that's mainly from drug company commercials. All the others we get once at a young age and that's it. Actual vaccines.
Gotcha.
I'll just say this. My dad got the pneumonia shot awhile back, that was like - 6 or 7 years ago.
A few months ago, he got hospitalized because he was feeling fatigued and kept falling - turns out he was fighting early pneumonia.
I googled why the fucking pneumonia shot didn't treat his pneumonia, come to learn pneumonia comes in all kinds of strains.
The shots immunize you against the "common" strains, but not the less common ones.
Whatever. Nice to know that goalpost was moved before I persuaded my dad to get that fucking thing.
Look up the other vaccines in detail before you go down this road. You'll discover the lies have been ongoing for a long time.
I no longer trust any "studies". If the CDC said the sky was blue I would go outside and check myself.
As for vaccines in general I'll look at it on a case by case basis. My bias is against and anyone who say I need it is going to have to convince me that it benefits me personally, not just a "herd immunity" argument.
The flu shot probably only has a good cost to benefit ratio if you are very old. It also does not prevent you from getting the flu, but rather only reduce the chance by 2/3 or so (ironically, I remember this from the letters my parents got from the government offering them a flu shot) - so if the flu isn't going to kill you, you might wonder if it's worth the risk.
Last I read those studies are all about lying with statistics. Something like 3 in 100 people in the control group get the flu . But of the group that gets the shot its between 1 and 2 in 100. Which is where they get the lying "60% effective" number.
Also those are "meta" studies which are utter bullshit agenda pushing in the first place, because there is no objective criteria about which trial studies are included in the "meta analysis". So the "scientists" pick the ones that provide the conclusions that their paymasters are looking for.
I've gotten the flu a couple of times and it was pretty bad but I still have no desire to get the vaccine. While I felt like I was about to die at times, I'm pretty sure I won't. Thankfully my place of employment has generous sick leave so if I ever get it again that's just free time off for me.
Because flu shots don't work. And with antibody dependent enhancement you basically prime yourself to get a worse illness because your body is not able to contract and fight off the entire pathogen. Instead you dodge a very small percentage of viruses, if that.
I agree with randomuser88385. I don't know your mother but she's probably shit-testing you and won't go through with it. Don't argue with her. Stay composed at all times. Send her whatever counter-evidence you wish and say "I'm not in a high risk group, and it does not prevent transmission. Regardless, I'm just not going to take it." That's it. If you want to be snarky you could say "My body my choice."
If she makes moves to kick you out, make it clear (again, calmly) that it will be the end of your relationship. You'll never speak to her again and she'll never see her grandchildren. You'll change your name and she may as well disown you. If she actually goes through with it then take the car. You may spend a night in jail if she reports it but you won't go prison if both parties acknowledge it was a misunderstanding. If she keeps pushing this, there must be more problems in your family than disagreement over the jab.
Your mom is like 2 years late.
Nah, I already took the first one because we have our bed ridden grandmother and she got the whole family to take theirs during that early period, I thought I couldn’t avoid the third one so I took that one reluctantly, but I’ve only gotten flu shots since, and the topic hasn’t come up until now.
The flu shot is equally stupid.
How many years have we had the flu shot? 20? 30?
Do we still have flu? Yes. Then the shot doesn't work.
"But I would get more flu if I didn't get it."
Just. Total. Nonsense.
More interesting is if you take a map of flu death rate by country, and flu vaccination uptake rate by country (among 65+, which is all the deaths).
Not a lot of countries have that data visible, but among the ones that do there is a clear correlation, the more vaccines the more deaths. Britain and Mexico have high deaths and high vaccination rate, Australia and France have low deaths and low vaccination rate, Eastern Europe has rates of both in the floor, and USA in the middle.
Some of that can be driven by having more deaths making people go out and get the vaccine, but if the vaccine actually worked you'd be able to see it on the macro level with 75% of the population getting it, and it simply doesn't do shit. It looks like it's even causal with how many more deaths pop up with more vaccines.
Flu shot is a different kind of stupid. It's a normal vaccine not mRNA. It's just inoculating you to a virus that can easily mutate around immunity so lots of people getting the shot just means we get infected with a different strain.
Flu shot is for very old people and works best when young people don't get it.
That's what I was thinking. It's basically a very low risk, low reward situation. If it doesn't work, then it doesn't work, if it works, then well, that's great, but most likely it won't work. But it's not a clot shot, I think more than anything the only thing you waste is your time getting one.
I am assuming most people in this sub still has faith in the "normal" style vaccines.
I'd recommend my 77 year old father to get it, but I don't see much of a need to get it.
Amazing how susceptible people are to black-and-white thinking. From "SAFE AND EFFECTIVE" to this. Obviously, if the flu shot prevents 2/3 of cases of the flu, it "works" to some extent - and it is something rather good for vulnerable groups who have a signfiicant risk of dying from the flu.
The flu shot is supposed to reduce the severity of the flu. It always makes me sicker than the flu itself
The two times in my life I ever got it, it did that to me. Once was so sick I had to miss work for 2 days. I swore never again.
My God you have no spine. Grow one.
He has no spine because he was considerate of his bed ridden grandmother when it was still widely thought that the vaccine would stop transmission?
No, since he got a third injection.
The fact she's behaving like this should warn you it will very likely happen again but over something else. If she goes through with kicking you out, then be out. Out of her life because that's the decision she made and she should live with it from then on.
If she tries to pressure you into getting it reply with "my body, my choice" and see how hypocritical she gets before making a really big mistake like actually trying to "force" you leading to the above consequences.
I don't know what advice to give you specifically in this case, but I'm just gonna leave this here.
Thanks. I’m gonna watch that fully later, but I got through the first three minutes and yeah, every NGO working together is kinda just blech in general, but especially on this. Talking with her about it, which I did between posting this and seeing this comment, I’m 99% sure I’m gonna have to end up taking it or else I have to move out without having the money to, so it’s looking not too good for me. I am however going to be taking it slow every day and finding what I can take to flush that shit out, hopefully 4chan has something I can do, because she scheduled that shit for Tuesday.
If you tell her no, especially after showing her all the information you can, and she tries to force you to take it anyway out of some irrational fear, you have a serious question to ask yourself: does your mother, your parent responsible for the welfare of her offspring, actually care about what is best for you? Or is she succumbing to fear, peer pressure, or something else?
Did she actually think about the possible negative side effects of that injection? Is she gullible enough to fall for the fear porn about Covid? Most importantly, if she is dead set on doing it, would you want to continue living around this person considering they clearly don't respect your bodily sovereignty?
I already have that video, but if you have more of the sources that came straight from the CDC, FDA and whatnot that came out that said that the vaccine is unnecessary, I’d love those, so I can cut the bullshit and directly address the issue instead of the source. Unfortunately I never saved those, didn’t think I’d need them again tbh…
You're doing this wrong. Videos don't matter. The fact that you don't want the medical procedure should have more weight than any number of videos. Sounds like you're hoping for some hail mary meme or deboonk vid that can demolish her with facts and logic, but if we're 2 and a half years deep on this thing and the shittiness of the jab hasn't sunk in, she has to be immune to muh facts and logic. You could tell her what was obvious in 2021, that the vaxx makes you more likely to catch covid and taking it is literally the opposite of protecting grandma, but why would she listen now?
Without knowing your mum, I can't be certain that there ISN'T some piece of media that will slacken her attitude, since these people are completely unpredictable - I guess try Del Bigtree's docu 'Vaxxed', if she's prepared to sit through a movie - but you're probably beating on a locked door at this stage.
And anyway like I say, it's missing the point. 'You can live under my roof if you undergo a medical procedure' is a tenant agreement that only a stupid or evil person would offer and only a stupid person would accept. Since you don't want it, your answer should be 'no, I'm not taking it, and if you insist on my taking it then you will never see or hear from me again.' That really is the bottom line. Or else play russian roulette with dangerous, failed medical tech and give your landlord sovereignty over your bloodstream.
I understand you're already jabbed but sunk cost is a fallacy. Don't con yourself that you can go to 4chan and figure out the correct dosage of carrot juice to 'flush' out any of this shit. The only guaranteed way to dodge problems with these jabs is to expose yourself to them as little as possible.
The facts would matter if his mother knew the facts, and that's why she'll avoid learning at all costs; who want's to know they already forced poison on their children? That would make any sane person despair.
To the guy, if you're even considering taking it, turn it around on her ignorance. Offer her that you'll take it if she can correctly tell you what happens if it gets injected in your blood by accident and how often that happens.
If she says she's "not a biologist" tell her to ask the doctor those questions. A doctor won't answer those questions directly, they'll waffle and give conman answers; "the vaccine is safe and effective", FDA says it's fine, and so on.
These questions have actual answers, unlike arguing that it's experimental or we don't know the long-term effects. If it gets injected into your blood by mistake you get massive heart damage (not mild, but drop dead life crippling). And that happens at least 1 in 10,000. (edit: oops 1 in 10k is serious side effects, 1 in 100k is the lower bound on injections into blood but most people think it's way lower; point is whatever number you find you can say is it worth that risk).
Finally, if it comes to it and she and you would rather take a 1 in single-digit thousands chance of certain death or wishing you had died than get kicked out then accept any consequences as your choice and your fault. Don't get mad at the drug companies or Fauci or Bill Gates - it's all on you at this point.
edit: this study has picture of damaged hearts in mice with mRNA injected directly into veins. In case she's a visual learner.
Further in, he gets into specifics about the impacts of the vaccines, with a shitload of evidence to back it up. Again, I'm not going to tell you what you should do, but hypothetically speaking, I'd say the average healthy young man would be safer and healthier living on the street eating dumpster food than he would if he took even one MRNA shot.
What’s the current site where I can download Twitter videos? Just wanna have that so I can just email it directly to mom instead of the link so I can avoid the whole “bad source because of the account” argument.
twittervideodownloader.com
Call her bluff. Move out - pretend to live on the streets for a bit. Any mum worth her salt will relent
there is no flushing it out. It's a gene-therapy. You can no more flush it out than you can flush out the genes for brown hair.
Tell the doctor no. When she makes a scene, say no. One word is all that is needed. No. no, no no.
Please don't fucking listen to 4chan about this.
Just tell her no. If she kicks you out, remind her that she won't be the first one to see your kids.
Great link!
Is it just your mom requesting it? What is making her so paranoid. You job or school isn’t requiring it?
Just my mom, because no matter how much I try, she just watches mainstream news, and they probably have been doing COVID hysteria in addition to whatever else. I stopped watching the news a long time ago, so I wouldn’t even know what happened without reading it on an article posted here.
Edit: Job doesn’t require it at all, and I wish I had gotten the free flu shot my job’s been offering for a while, and found a way to deal with that record somehow, maybe finding a sympathetic doctor or something.
Slowly remove channels from the TV. then detune others. then destroy the antenna outside
Sorry to hear that. I have some relatives with severe covid hysteria to this day
my mom gave up after a while, and now i just straight up tell her i don't want that poison. she says it's not poison, but i'm the only one in my immediate family that DIDN'T get weird cysts requiring doctor visits and minor surgery.
isn't it weird that my mother and sister both got cysts at around the same time despite my sister living an hour's drive away?
Are cysts a common side-effect? I've never heard of such a thing. Maybe it had nothing to do with the vaccine.
I do love how much people use hyperbole. Obviously, it's not "poison".
no idea, but i just find it weird. my sister's been one thing to another since she got the shots.
Demand to be alone for the appointment injection. Tell the doctor / nurse you are being coerced and refuse the injection.
Lie to your mother about it.
Alternatively, grow a spine and tell her no, refuse to argue about it. No you don't have to entertain your mother's arguments about it. You said no. Deal with the consequences.
You can't unfuck your body from the consequences of the mRNA injection with "cleanses" and "detox". Each additional injection is more damage to the heart, immune system, etc. Stop.
Can't say I was in the same position, when I said 'I ain't taking that shit' many more doubts can from colleagues than from family. Actually my mother who got it due to work regretted it ever since and was adamant I would NEVER get it even if there was some worse case scenario and she'd have to support me.
It really does sound like emotional blackmail as it's your body and unless you're put into a coma it's your choice. Is there anyone you can lean on even if it means crashing on a couch for a while as it feels like a toxic cycle you won't break free from unless you say NO to this one choice in particular?
The two benefits that I see myself getting if the worst case scenario happens is I finally have an excuse to go back to the gym, because if I end up homeless and having to live out of my car, I will at least force myself to have regular access to a shower and bathroom via the local gym, plus I’ll finally learn what it means to live on my own.
I can basically do almost all of that shit on a regular basis because I spend most of my free time going to fighting game tournaments and practicing, when I’m not researching stuff like this and whatnot, but the Israel shit isn’t gonna really distract her per se, because she already knows about it and all that, but we’ll see.
I already edited the appointment so it’s just for a flu shot, and she can’t see it because she made the appointment go to me, so I can edit it, plus I got the time slot before the rest of the family, so Tuesday is the day of truth.
She won’t find out, because I’ll ask the doctor if they can say I took it and give me a second bandaid so it looks like I took it, but because it’s a chain clinic, idk if that’s realistic. Either way, I’m slowly getting more prepared for what happens next.
But yeah, hopefully it doesn’t come to that, but we’ll see, I’m gonna ask coworkers over the next couple of days to see if I can crash at their places in case of the worst, but who knows.
The Ukraine war was the exact moment when everyone in Europe stopped caring about Covid.
Its better to sleep in the car than increase your cancer risk and/or stroke out. If she kicks you out, look her square in the eye and tell her you aren't risking your life for her neurosis. If you were 60, sure, go ahead you are almost dead, however if you are a young man they have a higher rate of cardio effects and dropping dead.
Start looking up shelters, at risk youth centers, friends couches you can surf on, look for a job, anywhere. Get a gym membership to get access to showers, make sure you have your birth certificate and SSN - if she goes dickwad then get the police involved she can't deny you them as leverage. You can work as a baggage handler at an airport, barback, try to take the exam to get into a skilled trade as well.
How old are you
Early 20s student, but I get the point, at some time I do need to leave the roost, I'd just rather it not be because of this, if I can help it. But if it is, then it is.
If you have to take a vaccine, take Novavax.
It's a protien based Covid-19 injection, not a mRNA one, so you won't have any side-effects from it.
Not mRNA != no side-effects. It might even have more risk because vastly fewer people have taken it and dangers are not as well known.
NovaVax didn't get pushed through emergency use, and wasn't granted the ability to be used in the US until late last year, and pushed this year.
They simply didn't get any of the benefits that the major phrama companies got.
Just lie to her
That is the easy thing but not the right thing
She scheduled both, but I can edit the appointment for myself, so I plan on doing that and then telling her, because I’m just gonna get there earlier and do mine first and then be with her for the rest of the family, as they’re coming in after that. I’m just lucky the appointment slot before the original one was available.
Just say no and ask her to respect your decision. It's what a lot of people I know did.
What happens if you keep telling her no?
She’s gonna kick me out the house, and I made sure to talk to her about it today so I can think about it the next few days before I actually have to make that decision.
I currently don’t have the money to actually live if I get kicked out, plus the car that I use is under her name, not mine, so idk what legally could be done considering while I’m the main driver of that car, the title is hers and she made the payments.
Hm I guess, if you absolutely can pull this off - to convince her for you to not take it. Don't overwhelm her with all the dark shit behind it and people getting killed from it.
I reckon instead just to try and make the case that it probably won't do anything - given that so far you've been fine and that it's well known that taking any injection for all variants so far hasn't stopped it. And that every time it appears to be less deadly anyway. Better that if you do get sick you can tough it out.
If that fails, maybe start reaching out to other family or friends that could let you stay with them for a little while?
He actually should. Otherwise people are obstinate and refuse to listen. If he points out his age group is most at risk of contracting irreversible damage, maybe she might listen... or maybe not.
I advise don't because OP said his mum is 100% tuned in to msm. Going hard like that would put her off and make her double down. That what I think
Very true.
Same situation.. since i lived at home. Two jabs...
Are you serious? This is just sad on so many levels. From caring about Covid after February 2022, to turning against family members based on media fearmongering.
If you REALLY don't think she'll stop, just claim you already got it for free, while acting very pissy about it. Of course you'd also have to act sick for a few day or two as well, but unless she's totally deranged I wouldn't expect her to actually demand proof or verification.
Not that I could stomach even pretending to give in like that myself.
A fun argument you could try is to point out any weight or lack of physical fitness. Because honestly, assuming that the vaccine will magically protect an already unhealthy person from any chance of infection is just fucking absurd.
There are probably normie sources that acknowledge the risk of myocarditis that you could use here
COVID vaccines were dangerous because of the cult-mentality around their safety, and that half the world population was exposed to these shots. The jab is a societal contagion rather than a high individual risk. You can't flush spike proteins, so hopefully you can get by faking the shot. Learn to become an effective, egoless liar.
As other comments said, weigh in whether she's shit-testing and will find other nonsense to satisfy base human vices. If she's genuinely fearful of variant 7+, just take the shot, and ghost her when you've saved enough to pay deposit on your way out. Working two bottom-barrel desperation job for the next decade would be more demeaning than a relatively low health risk jab.
I was lucky enough to postpone the shot until employer absolutely demanded it when I had enough saved to move states. That happened a few weeks before I planned to quit anyways, for other reasons. Next employer backed down when they realized enough of their workforce was going to leave, plus that the pandemic was over spring of last year.
If the shots worked there wouldn't be boosters. The only thing the shot works at is making money. Tell her you are in a high risk group for the side effect, so much so that most of Europe doesn't let young men get the mRNA boosters anymore.
How old are you?
What's the matter with your Mother and is your Father in the picture?
Tell her it's too dangerous for you to take. After this point a sense of fear might be the only thing to get through to her.
Just leave. Getting out on your own does wonders for your mental health. You'll find skills you never knew you had.
"Go fuck yourself, bitch" and what is she going to do about it when you tell her that? Your health is more important than her idiocy.
No, disrespecting your parents is gay, even if they are being retarded.
That's how you talk to your mother - even if she made an unreasonable demand?
For context, I took the Moderna 2 shot vaccine in February of 2021, and the booster in the middle of last year, but haven’t had the topic come up since. The only reason I took the booster was because I didn’t know if I could confront her about it then, but I’m a lot more confident about doing so now, so we’ll see.
I can also edit the appointment from my end, so I edited it to just be a flu shot instead of flu and COVID, especially since I was able to find the appointment slot right before the time she put it for, so I’m going to go to the clinic early, take my one flu shot, wait for mom to get there and then see what happens from there.
She's only asking now because you complied in the first place, how much worse do you want it to get?
Do you not have any friends whom you can stay with for an extended time?
Most of my friends either still live with their parents or are in college, so that’s a no, been asking coworkers and that’s been better but also no, right now I’m looking into low income apartments (which I’ve actually been to, been checking out the ones closest to me and I’ve found three that are actually good places in decent areas close to where I work), so my goal is since I’m scheduled to take my shot, and I already edited the appointment to where it’s the influenza shot only, to try and subterfuge it, and if that doesn’t work, go with the goal of letting my mom give me time to find a place to live instead of abruptly kicking me out.
Actually having a plan makes it easier to say no, because I actually know my options.
Avoid it. Your mom is a retard.
God speed anon :|
Murder your own mother over a vaccine? Yeah, you sound level-headed.
She's trying to murder him...