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J6 was one of the most successful false flags in history. Even the fucking target believed it.
It's absolutely insane. I'd be interested in seeing the breakdown by age, because I'd wager that most anyone who still gets their "news" from TV (i.e. mostly old people) are the ones that think that J6 was the worst attack on the US since the revolutionary war and that the 2020 election was the most secure, safe, and effective ever.
Despite all the propaganda, more people thought the BLM riots were worse than J6. Don't mistake the astroturfed reality for actual opinions of real people.
I would say that is true albeit with a massive partisan split. The Democrats are totally detached from reality, we we see from them thinking thousands of unarmed black men are killed by police every year, & thinking half the people who catch COVID need to be hospitalized, etc.
With double-think, it's very easy to believe that BLM riots were worse than J6 and simultaneously that J6 was the worst attack on a nation state in the history of human civilization.
/u/dekachin is unfortunately right.
A majority of Democrats don't even think there was significant violence in 2020. The level of total brainwashing is unbelievable.
We don't live in the same world as these people.
No, normal right wing people are just sick of hearing about it & always opposed violence against police & rioting.
The J6ers who engaged in violence deserve prison, just not as much as they got.
The BLM rioters deserved prison even more, yet all of them were let off.
The "justice system" in America right now is rigged against the Right.
The solution isn't to stop punishing Right wing wrongdoers, it's to start punishing the Left wing ones. Order, not chaos.
Unironically, people like you are why America fell.
“No friends to the right” in action. Imagine classifying a massive segment of your own (supposed) political cohort as abnormal. And imagine doing so while referencing a poll that shows you are still in the minority on these issues. I guess “normal” republicans are the neocons and Civnats who are “leading” the party while representing the views of only 10-30% of its voters.
Fr. Just more milquetoasting.
What is wrong with what he said? Be specific.
You can't just play the referee, you have to take action as well. If laws are being unequally enforced on your side then why are you helping the enforcers?
It's a good question, and I don't know a good answer to that. But I hold that it's legitimate to say that those who used violence against people should not be pardoned, and that the reaction by current_horror was very much an overreaction.
The answer is that principles matter. You fight & die for principles, not a flag. You don't fight for a flag that stands for nothing, or stands for evil.
There are a lot of, for lack of a better term, right wing NPCs in this sub now. Which is fine, I guess, to the extent that we need them as cannon fodder to cancel out the left wing NPCs to some extent.
But they don't stand for anything. They're just angry & reactionary. They're exactly the type to go REEEEEE out then change absolutely nothing.
The way you win against the Left isn't to mimic them fundamentally like an abuse victim copies their bully. The way you win is by presenting a principled alternative
Sanity against insanity, not right insanity against left insanity.
That doesn't mean being a wishy washy cucked out Mitt Romney tier limp dick, though these NPC tier types seem to think it does.
That's fundamental to DeSantis vs Trump. Trump is great at offering himself up as a vehicle for "rage against the machine" so he appeals to these people even though the truth is he just wants the machine to kiss his ass, not to destroy it like his fans hope. Meanwhile, DeSantis is optimized completely for using the system as it exists in reality to win & deliver results.
Do you want to win, or do you want to riot?
All those people you see downvoting me? They've given up on winning & they just want to riot. Or, more accurately, they're lazy & want other people to riot on their behalf.
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The state lost the right to imprison any rioter the moment they started jailing people without charge for months at a time, engaging in brainwashing efforts, refusing to treat people for medical illnesses, keeping people with misdemeanor charges in solitary confinement for 23 hours a day, refusing to let prisoners see their lawyers, and otherwise refusing to give anyone a fair trial.
The DC Circuit for Trump supporters is as badly slanted as the all-white Mississippi courts were for the Scottsboro Boys.
You fail to understand the importance of the friend/enemy distinction. You can go back to equally doling out punishment for wrongdoing after you win the war and have power.
The system was broken and the process of justice poisoned. They must ALL be pardoned, even those who "engaged in violence". Anyone who was imprisoned must be compensated.
Even if some of the government's claims may be true, their overall narrative and motivation on this issue cannot be trusted.
It wasn't shit. The left literally trashed and burned cities, and what happened? Their charges were dropped and they were let go. Some right wingers walk around in the capitol building for a few hours, damage nothing but some doors, and leave when asked to, and it's a fucking 4 year witch hunt.
i remember the scant few arrests made of the leftoids rioting being called kidnappings by secret police
they laid siege to a courthouse tossing munitions like a medieval army
Agreed. Infuriating that it's that low.
Part of it I blame on the Conservatives "Back The Blue" establishmentarian mentality.
Liberals understand that if the government breaks the law when trying to convict someone, the guilty must walk. It's the only way to punish the state.
Conservatives and Republicans are fucking notorious in the legal sphere for allowing the state to violate the law if they think they got the right guy. They got some real "24" vibes going on in their heads.
They are still holding onto that idea that "order is more important than liberty" even when the hammer of the state is bashing their brains in. Say what you will about Libertarian tolerance for degeneracy; but they'd rather let even the guilty go free if the state were in the wrong; and there is real value in that.
No, we have lots of details on the main people charged in it. There were only a small number of them, but they were genuine Trump supporters.
Calling it a false flag is simply wrong. To be a false flag, the J6ers would have had to have been opposed to Trump. They were not.
The few incidents where Feds were suspected in the crowd have eventually been exposed & turned out to be false. There were a few BLM types & libs in the crowd, but they weren't the reason why the J6ers went in.
Stop being delusional & accept the truth. Obey reality. Stop thinking like a tranny.
Now, by contrast, we have evidence that the "Patriot Front" is actually comprised of feds thanks to the Proud Boys kicking their ass & unmasking several of them.
To be clear: you believe a rag tag bunch of unarmed yokels took over and legitimately threatened one of the most secure locations in the world without the malicious “permission” of those in charge?
And at this point you’re basically calling a Benghazi and saying “what difference does it make?”. Stolen elections and engineered false flags are so 2-3 years ago! We need to abandon all of the issues that our opponents want us to abandon and turn our attention to the next (inevitably stolen) election.
Jesus Christ you suck. No wonder all we do is lose.
He believes the proud boys unmasked the fed bois and j6 was another holohoax.
The right will continue to lose when this is the predominant position they take politically. 2 steps behind the vanguard progressives in the destruction of our people.
you idiots actually complain when I say shit you ought to agree with.
you're just little midgets bouncing off each other in your angry little echo chamber desperate for some enemy to rail against.
"oh look, there is a right winger with a brain that works, let's all gang up on him!"
LOL dude, the libs broke you like Trump broke the libs. sad.
You truly grace us with your patience and tolerance, o wise one.
Don't worry he'll go back to acting like "one of the chuds" on his next post and everyone will forget about it.
Ur mad
He’s a fucking faggot lol
Mostly we are all frustrated
But they had fistfuls of zip ties! Zip ties! They could have conquered dozens of countries with them.
There is no way to be sure, but like you, I believe it was at least somewhat intentional. It is not unreasonable to hold that it is incompetence though.
How does it benefit you, or anyone, to complain about an election 3 years ago? Advocate for election security. That will set off the bad actors as well, without playing poorly with middle-of-the-road people.
We don't lose because there are some people who are in the right place, but who have slightly different nuances here and there. We lose because the people in charge, whatever their superficial color, are all of the same tribe, and I don't mean da Jooz.
And yeah, yeah, I know, me bad as well.
Kind of sounds like "advocate for border security" and we all know that get results, hmmm?
Generally when you are trying to pass stricter guidelines on anything you need a casus belli, so to speak. You can't just say "hey this system works fine but I think we need photo ID and paper ballots now just because"
Republicans have said that for years, and nearly everyone supports photo ID.
Here in Europe, they introduced photo ID without even campaigning on it, for God knows what reason, as our 'elections' are even more meaningless than American ones.
And yet nothing has happened, so we obviously need a new form of pressure. That's funny about Europe though
That's because you already voted away all of your rights to self-determination when joining the EU.
You poor SOBs don't have even the facade of electing legislators who talk a big game and then just do what the oligarchs tell them to when in office; your elected officials only get to vote on what they are given by the anointed Experts that run the EU.
We didn't get to vote on it. Besides, the UK and countries outside the EU aren't much better. We're just screwed, period.
They're all liberal elites, & that includes most of the Republican donor class as well.
DeSantis is actually fighting against them while Trump is sucking up to them.
You know who the elites feel threatened by, by who the lib media focuses their attacks on.
No, but they did commit crimes by violently attacking cops & in some cases damaging property.
They deserve prison for that.
The Oath Keepers leader Stewart Rhodes was grossly over-sentenced to 18 years in prison when he didn't even go into the Capitol & didn't fight cops. He was singled out to be made an example of because his existence scares liberals, not because he committed crimes.
Trump should have blanket pardoned every J6er who didn't engage in violence, but he was a coward trying to save his own ass.
Nope, and that makes no sense.
Trump lost. There was no proof of large scale election fraud. The Kraken was never released. It was all a pack of lies.
Which all turned out to be bullshit, although they seem to have been ramping up now - not in 2020 - but now they seem to be starting to manifest into reality. Perhaps because the Feds got so many "good" ideas from you lot they decided to actually start to do what you've been accusing them of.
Who is doing that? Certainly not me.
If DeSantis is the candidate, we will win & it will be the libs screeching that it was stolen as a cope.
I'd rather be the one winning than the one coping. You'd rather lose & cope.
Jesus Christ you suck. No wonder all we do is lose.
So how far does that boot fit down your throat?
Are we now defending attacking cops?
The property damage was so minimal that I don't support jailing people over it.
But let's not go overboard here.
Depends. Are they cops like David Dorn who was just trying to protect his community? Or are they FBI/ATF/NYPD goons who prey on the innocent and assist evil?
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every single mail-in ballot is fraudulent.
Ray Epps remains completely free, despite overwhelming evidence of organizing and fomenting a riot. He is even defended routinely by those pushing that J6 was this extreme attack on democracy and that all those responsible belong in bars....despite him literally fomenting and organizing the worst aspects of it.
The pipe bomb threat on J6 is increasingly proving to be an absolute hoax, as a it has been proven that the "pipe bombs" were completely inoperable.
Plenty of the actually violent individuals on J6 remain "unknown," and it seems as if they are not actually being looked for, while nonviolent people are ruthlessly attacked and persecuted.
The police actions taken during J6 were unusual, with the execution of Ashly Babbit (and extreme amounts of defending for that officers extremely malicious and terrible actions), and the deployment of flashbangs straight into a peaceful crowd (even lighting an individual on fire), without even going into the fact that the police waved the people into the building in the first place.
I agree it's strange that Ray Epps wasn't charged, but that doesn't mean he's a Fed.
True & we always knew this was bullshit.
He should have been fired & charged but libs don't punish people who kill Republicans. Reverse the parties & have it be a white cop shooting an unarmed black woman & you'd have "Saint Floyd" riots & a Chauvin sequel.
"Fed" doesn't exclusively mean an employed law enforcement officer. It also applies to people contracted or paid under the table by feds. You'd have to be an idiot to believe Epps is not a fed.
That's a bald faced lie.
The genuine Trump supporters are guilty of what? Putting their feet on Pelosi's desk?
Ray Epps has been proven to be a God-fearing patriot not-fed?
Hard to believe that you went from the above comment, which was exactly on the money, to this.
There is no proof positive that Ray Epps was a fed, but is it not highly likely? You cannot say that it 'turned out to be false'.
Some of the people here are straitjacket-tier crazy people.
I read some stuff investigating Ray Epps & it seemed clear enough to me that he wasn't a fed. It's not like the FBI is putting sleeper agents in the US population. There is a reason everyone says they "glow in the dark". The FBI is actually very bad at hiding itself.
Example: the "Patriot Front", which is so laughably obvious & recently got exposed.
But there's a ton of stuff that makes no sense. Why was he never arrested? Why is the NYT and Crying Adam Kinzinger defending him?
The feds claim that he only called on others to enter the Capitol, and that he never did so himself. Isn't that exactly the kind of behavior you would expect from an agent provocateur?
I would explain most of it by libs reflexively opposing anything Republicans attack out of partisanship. So since the Right went after this guy hard, the Left starts defending him.
The Oath Keepers leader Stewart Rhodes basically did the exact same thing but got 18 years in prison.
I do think Congress should call whoever makes the charging decisions for 1/6ers & ask why Ray Epps was not charged. Congress can subpoena records as to whether Ray Epps was ever in contact with the Feds & with Republican control of the House there is no reason why they wouldn't do so.
I support getting to the bottom of this.
Personally though I see it as a dead end & my focus is 100x more on the Biden China bribery scandal we have unfolding right now. Biden ought to be impeached & sent to prison over this & what Hunter was saying to the ChiComs on WhatsApp.
That makes sense, but it's a little too much even considering that. The right attacks plenty of people they don't defend.
Republicans are regime operatives just as much as Democrats are. They just pretend to be the opposition. Maybe the Twenty Rebels can get something like that done.
That is probably the more politically advantageous strategy.
BTW here is a short special 60 minutes did on Epps which I know everyone in here except maybe you would be like fAkE nEwS because they won't accept facts from anyone to the left of Tucker, but I found it to be convincing & compelling enough:
https://youtu.be/QHEEGxQKg20
The mere fact that 60 Minutes is giving Ray Epps a sympathetic hearing, as the first Trump supporter in all of recorded history, says it all to me.
And some people here were denouncing Tucker as 'controlled opposition' when he denounced the Kraken. Is Tucker right-wing? He is a populist. To the left of him makes no sense.
At the end of the day I can't get blinded by partisanship. I gave the left a fair hearing on Ray Epps & they convinced me. I think that 60 minutes episode was fair & convincing enough. Again, it's not a really big issue for me so I'm not going to go hard on it as some other people here. I think there are much bigger scandals.
Wow, you are actually being a moron.
Supports providing more funding and weapons to Ukraine
>52% less likely to vote for a presidential candidate based on this characteristic
Gotta get those numbers up. Those are rookie numbers!
I was surprised that it was this high. Then again, it's about supplying more funding and weapons than Biden, so more than twice the Russian yearly defense budget in a year.
No it means giving more than the $113 billion already authorized.
The US is in fiscal crisis & Russia is not a serious threat to Ukraine anymore. US taxpayers don't want to dump billions upon billion more into Ukraine just so it can retake Crimea or whatever.
The Euros can take it from here.
We have much bigger priorities here in America & in dealing with China.
That would be a drastic step. I would be very surprised if they read it like that.
What US taxpayers want is not really relevant though. The whims of the ruling class does. You think Russian or Ukrainian taxpayers wanted war? No, but they got war, because their ruling classes did.
No, we're not.
Dragging us into that war as well!?
It is. My grandparents are Berniebros & they strongly oppose money for Ukraine. I do as well even though I am "far right". $113b was too much, already. The US DIB is in shambles & we are behind the curve on China.
Nobody except the Democrat neocons in the media & think tank classes still want to keep throwing money at Ukraine.
You're wrong because the Right is increasingly populist. Sure, the Democrats are totally captured by their elites, but not true at all with Republicans anymore.
Democrats, while captured by their elites, are slaves to polling as well, & they won't fight the Republicans on an issue where the polling is against them.
The selfish Euros won't help with China, which is why the US shouldn't continue to help with Ukraine.
I've also only heard complaints about funding to Ukraine, but if polls are to be believed, people in my country are utter retards on the issue. I don't know man, maybe people are just stupid.
And the Republican neocons, who sometimes bash Biden for not doing enough. Unfortunately, they are the people with the power.
I try to be hopeful, but I'm congenitally pessimistic. I think it's just a show, plus some crumbs. The elites have total control over what happens. Sometimes they throw us a bone and then we think the fake steering wheel that they give us and they call 'elections' matter. Of course they don't! You think people in Europe want their farming sector destroyed?
On the grooming issue, polling is against them, and they don't care. Because what people think does not seem to matter at all.
You mean that if we are "selfish" and don't help you fight a war that has nothing to do with us, you'll stop sponsoring proxy wars in our backyard? Oh nooooo!
BTW, while I do a lot of bravado in saying that "WE WILL NOT FIGHT YOUR WARS", of course I fully realize that the Euros are your slaves and that they will do whatever the USG commands them to do. Maybe it will not command us to fight, because our pitiful armies will be more of a hindrance than a help, but if it did, rest assured that they would conscript their subjects and send them to die as cannon fodder.
Some polls are manipulated. Neocons use manipulated polls to exaggerate support for Ukraine in order to use them as talking points to lobby politicians.
Republicans are not neocons. They can be hawks, like Lindsay Graham, but a neocon is a liberal hawk. Conservative hawks are different & have a different vision for how US power ought to be used.
Gay pride bombs = a necon thing that Republican hawks would reject, for example.
The elites are losing & their power is eroding. JFK Jr is a vehicle for left wing protest against the elites. Both Trump & DeSantis are against the elites in different ways, with DeSantis being far more dangerous to them.
Democrats are arrogant right now because they massively outperformed in 2022. If they get crushed in a red wave in 2024, which they will if its DeSantis, then you'll see them change in a big way.
They'll throw the trannies under the bus so fast your head will spin.
Of course it does. If China takes over Asia it will fuck over Euro trade just as much as it fucks over US trade. It will totally dictate the terms of trade to both the EU & US in a manner where the trade only benefits China at both of our expense.
I wish that were true, but it isn't, which is why the US needs to pull out of Europe in a big way. We have 100k troops there. We should cut that to 20k & close most bases. Basically just leave a skeleton crew to train with NATO & handle logistics. We need all those troops over in Japan & the Philippines.
Maybe that is true in the US (though even that is a bit exaggerated I think), but politicians here do not care about public opinion. Literally zero.
I was surprised that Matt Gaetz was warmongering against China. It looks like we're getting war one way or the other.
As optimistic as always. As far as I can see, they have total power and are now even imprisoning the former president of the US. They may even lure back DeSantis into their fold.
Like they did homosexuals after 2004. But it will be totally fake. They'll say one thing and do another. At the end of the day, unfortunately, the elites will get what they want.
I read that the Biden regime was commanding European countries to not sell chip technology to China. That is fucking our trade. I don't see your nightmare scenarios of Chinese hegemony. China has always been content keeping to itself and its immediate region, like the US before 1918.
How they folded like a cheap suit and killed 68,000 Europeans because MUH RUSSHER BAD surprised even me, and I have a very low opinion of them to begin with. All for American empire. If you command them to recruit 12-year-olds and send them to die against China, they will do it. They're bought and paid for.
I think it is a bit of a win for the former Bush supporting right to start getting the problem with endless wars.
I'm a pro Union, pro Universal Health Care, pro livable Wages for workers left leaning independent and I'd tick most of those boxes.
The Democrat/Republican dichotomy is a lie to keep us distracted, most reasonable people want border security, keeping young children safe from sexualization, a stop to senseless wars and reining in out of control three letter agencies.
Universal health care kek... how stupid are you to put the government in charge of health care?
Don't be a retard, it means the government pays a health benefit from the taxes they already steal from us and every American is eligible. You pick your policy, your provider, but drug prices are set to a schedule so Pharma and TheInsurance cartel don't fuck us over.
Or are you also against Medicare and Social Security?
unironically still being said by libs in 2023. /roll
I loled at this, glad you saw it too
I completely see your point. Obama/Romney Care was a total scam.
ACA is a handout to the insurance cartel.
You need to read some Thomas Sowell.
And it's amusing that you think that pharma and insurance companies won't just corrupt the government (oh wait, they already have) to enrich themselves.
Exactly, They are the same people. Pharma companies are headed by people that just left the FDA who are headed by people that just left the pharma company.
But sure, universal Healthcare will change that according to the dummy you're responding to.
I'm in favor of universal health care as long as it comes with a requirement of 100 IQ or higher to qualify.
He probably is.
I am. What's to like about a pyramid scheme that's running out of money and hemorrhaging money from incompetence by the minute?
But then again you still think covid jabs work lol.
You've been saying that for decades now...
What is the criterion for 'work'?
healthcare is only expensive BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT STUCK ITS DICK IN
This is superficially true, but it is because Pharma and The Insurance Cartel stuck their dicks in the government. Our government's health policies have been fully captured since the Nixon era.
Obama/Romney care is a prime example of that, a mandate for the people with zero price control on prescription schedules or insurance cost.
Follow the money, see who benefits and who lobbies.
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The Question is:
would you vote for DeSantis over Biden knowing he isn't going to support your economic policy priorities?
Lots of libs say they agree with the Right on various things, but then they turn right around and keep Voting Blue No Matter Who.
I'm obviously not American, so I differ from most right-wing Americans on economic issues. If it's a Romney vs. Obama, I'd have supported Obama, but DeSantis vs. Biden it's DeSantis. Culture is more important than GDP and money.
Now you'll say this is because RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA, which is ironic because back in 2012 I probably agreed with Romney more on that specific issue (pls don't tell my boss in the FSB).
Not at all.
Quite frankly as far as I'm concerned, the Ukraine war is basically over - at least for the US.
It's stalemated. Russia can't really accomplish anything offensively, & Ukraine will similarly be able to not accomplish much offensively.
Just like COVID - it's over. It's still there, it's just that nobody is going to care anymore.
At this point Europe can take over supplying Ukraine while the US pivots to China.
A while back, you were bragging that "Ukraine kept rolling". I have not seen any boasts about their recent counteroffensive.
I do love to see German and US tanks in flames (though I hope the crew survived).
You may not care, but your ruling class does, and will continue to care. Obviously not out of any love for Ukrainians.
Ah yes, your dogs that you can set at will on your enemies. Using your fiefs to fund the conquest of yet more fiefs.
I don't think i used those words, but Ukraine was able to make a lot of progress in August-November of last year because Russia neglected defense.
There has been no "counteroffensive", just smaller advances in limited areas.
The traditional idea of a WW2 offensive like D-Day, Stalingrad, Kursk, or Bagration simply are not relevant to this war. Both sides recognize that defense is dominant & that they lack the power to overcome defenses with large scale attacks without taking unacceptable losses.
Russia is no longer neglecting defense, instead, Russia has become extremely paranoid of Ukraine getting breakthroughs & so has invested very very heavily in layers upon layers of defenses.
Neocons care. But they are hated by the American public & will be thrown out of power come 2025.
No. Ukraine is a Euro problem. Russia is a Euro problem.
It did. I think you said something like: "You were coping saying that it was bad defenses, but Ukraine just kept rolling. LOL".
They said the 'counteroffensive' had begun, but then later denied it when people were not impressed by the results.
The strategy you said it should follow. You said General Armageddon (Surovkin) was holding the line defensively and baiting attacks, but that Putin then listened to Gerasimov in attacking Bakhmut (which did not hold, btw, contrary to NYT claims). Now it seems they are absorbing.
Maybe the Russian general staff is reading your comments. Let's hope so, because I want Odessa and Kharkov at the very least.
You can't throw them out of power. Just like McCarthy (who otherwise has surprised positively) said that he would not support a 'blank check' but then turned out to be the same old, same old.
Why? Russia is not bothering me. They're not occupying my country nor controlling my pathetic excuses for leaders.
True. The Russians have usually come around to the correct strategy even if they take longer than they should getting there.
The whole Wagner/Bakhmut thing was a total waste of resources so it won't be repeated.
This will leave the war stalemated in the big picture. Sure, there might be some small advances here & there, but nothing big like the early days or the war or Kharkiv or Kherson.
Yes Surovkin was right & now Russia is able to hold because he laid the foundation for it. Bakhmut & Prigozhin were wastes of resources. Sure, he technically "took" it as a ruin, but didn't make any progress or gains beyond that, and the cost was so great that Russia won't try to do it again elsewhere.
Neither side has the ability to execute a successful large scale offensive anymore.
Hahah I just figure out the obvious answers faster than some other people thanks to a lifetime of reading about military history & being into strategy.
You can bc they're all Democrats. A DeSantis Admin would be run by realists like Elbridge Colby, not neocons like [every Ukraine cheerleading think tank].
I don't believe he has let through any more Ukraine funding since saying that. Biden's Ukraine funding all came from last year before the Republicans took over. There hasn't been any new funding this year. Correct me if you can find a bill in Congress providing it.
This is why Biden had the pentagon claim an "accounting error" to lowball all the value of funding already given - so he could squeeze more into the $113b.
Maybe not you but most of Europe except for France feels very threatened by Russia.
First, fuck no! And I did not vote for Biden or Clinton.
I like DeSantis stance on immigration and culture war and keeping gender theory and hypersexualization out of schools, but he is the same shit as Biden on everything else.
Right now, RFK jr. is (in my opinion) the only decent candidate.
If he does not become the nominee (and he won't), I won't be voting "blue" this election either.
Well you're a leftist, so that tracks.
i like rfk over biden but the man sounds like a zombie that's learned to talk
he's never going to win
You say that but then go on to list several issues on which the parties have very significant policy differences. If the Republicans held all the power things would be very, very different on those issues than if Democrats held it. That's no false dichotomy.
Now, I suppose what you're trying to get at is that there are some similar pathological aspects to both parties, for example the #1 issue for either party is preserving that party's political power by whatever means necessary. I'd love to see those issues addressed with things like campaign finance reform, more term limits, and getting rid of the asinine winner take all voting system we have, for example.
But don't spin those common problems up into something like 'the parties are the same'. They are not. Not even close. Their policies are wildly different, as is there voter base. You do yourself and others a disservice when you suggest they are very similar.
That is not what I meant when I said false dichotomy.
What I meant is the false choice that you must choose between the two factions of the UniParty.
Most elections I dislike BOTH parties, and they are BOTH invested in us not having a different viable choice.
Yes, I agree that both parties are fundamentally invested in the perpetuation of the two party system. And yeah, I do think that's bad for America as we're often left with a couple of crappy candidates to choose from. We desperately need something like proportional voting.
That said, just because both parties agree on this particular bad policy hardly makes them a Uniparty. Go and look at their platforms. Vastly different. Go and look at the congressional voting records. Vastly different, and usually along party lines.
Hell, just contrast the current administration with the previous one. Very, VERY different priorities and very VERY different impacts on your liberty and the eventual fate of this country.
Completely wrong. For one, republicans had power during Trumps term. What exactly did they do to solve any of the above issues? Thats right, zero. Republicans are all talk. Second, outside of the border and war funding, those issues are all petty as fuck. No one, from either party cares about them. Its just what they say to get you locked into their system. Once either party gets elected, then its all unanimous voting on more funding for government programs, more rights taken away, and more power for them. The left/right dichotomy in this country is all theater.
You're right to criticize Republicans. They deserve it, and I'm sure we could both sit around and come up with plenty of reasons why.
But I just don't know how you get from there to 'they're just as bad as the dems', which is what you seem to be saying. I mean, sure they share some of the same pathologies, like ever increasing funding to entitlements like social security, medicare, etc, but much of that is realpolitik.
Just go and compare the official party platforms. They are VERY different, and representatives tend to vote along the lines of the party platform in most cases. You say that it's all unanimous voting for more govt. program funding and taking rights, but that just isn't the case. Go and review the congressional voting records on the "Inflation Reduction Act" or any major bill that deals with any of those issues and you will find a stark division along party lines in most cases.
But that's a bit abstract. For a nice, concrete examples just look at the current administration as a whole. They have been a disaster for this country on so many issues that are important to me and (i would imagine) to you as well. Now, contrast that with the last Republican administration. Yeah, the Reps. weren't great, but are you really here to tell me that you wouldn't rather have them in power right now?
This is generally positive, although I do have a few nitpicks. I won't go into all of them, but it's silly that they care more about drugs at the border than people. People will get drugs one way or the other, while illegal immigration has much longer lasting effects. Also, stopping people would stop the drugs anyway.
Also, the green bar is too big on all of these, except for Ukraine (which should be much higher), and possibly six-week abortion. I don't want to get into it, but let's just say from a purely optics perspective I can see why some people would find that a bad position. Everything else, it's ridiculous that that would make them less likely to vote for a person with those views.
drugs is just a way for people to not "feel racist" about opposing illegals.
same with when the COVID restrictions on illegals went into place.
Agreed. In fact, I say decriminalize most drugs. What you do with your body is your problem. If there are safer routes, there is less likely to be "cutting" drugs with fentanyl and other dangerous chemicals. But migration is a huge issue
DeSantis has already proven that he will & has already begun doing so with every means at his disposal.
DeSantis is a dweeb with zero chance of winning.
source: https://twitter.com/RyanGirdusky/status/1674053561326399489
shut down the southern border
shut down the trannies
shut down the climate change spending
shut down the blank check for Ukraine
Can't see how any rational person could disagree. The libs control all the institutions, but the Right is right.
You left out the big issue that any rational person can't disagree with:
40% Trump won to 29% didn't win.
Even wording it intentionally to minimize the result still almost a majority answer the implied question correctly. When asked in a form like "election fraud changed the result to Biden" conservatives consistently poll over 80% with the right answer.
If only they'd use these surveys to figure out how best to serve the people, rather than which talking points to use to get elected.
Also some of those 'less likely' numbers are too high but it's a start.
So much for non-interventionismMy bad, I misread this as the Lindsey Graham proposal to send US troops to Mexico.
Who are the 18% who oppose this?
If 36% of Republicans say less likely, then this is probably even more toxic among all folks. I guess the regime wins.
And the 'rioters' is also interesting. Because very few of them were actually rioting.
Bear in mind that the liberal media controls the Narrative even for a large percentage of the Republicans.
But still, I find it odd that any Republican would say that he wants Kindergartners groomed.
I don't think that's what the poll means. I think it's social liberals who hate that Republicans want to fight the culture war now.
If only they have one single fuck about what voters want....