Republican primary voters most popular issues: This is the way
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You can't just play the referee, you have to take action as well. If laws are being unequally enforced on your side then why are you helping the enforcers?
It's a good question, and I don't know a good answer to that. But I hold that it's legitimate to say that those who used violence against people should not be pardoned, and that the reaction by current_horror was very much an overreaction.
The answer is that principles matter. You fight & die for principles, not a flag. You don't fight for a flag that stands for nothing, or stands for evil.
There are a lot of, for lack of a better term, right wing NPCs in this sub now. Which is fine, I guess, to the extent that we need them as cannon fodder to cancel out the left wing NPCs to some extent.
But they don't stand for anything. They're just angry & reactionary. They're exactly the type to go REEEEEE out then change absolutely nothing.
The way you win against the Left isn't to mimic them fundamentally like an abuse victim copies their bully. The way you win is by presenting a principled alternative
Sanity against insanity, not right insanity against left insanity.
That doesn't mean being a wishy washy cucked out Mitt Romney tier limp dick, though these NPC tier types seem to think it does.
That's fundamental to DeSantis vs Trump. Trump is great at offering himself up as a vehicle for "rage against the machine" so he appeals to these people even though the truth is he just wants the machine to kiss his ass, not to destroy it like his fans hope. Meanwhile, DeSantis is optimized completely for using the system as it exists in reality to win & deliver results.
Do you want to win, or do you want to riot?
All those people you see downvoting me? They've given up on winning & they just want to riot. Or, more accurately, they're lazy & want other people to riot on their behalf.
principles aren't worth shit in the gulag
if that is the direction we are going, we will have a national divorce.
That may be true for you and me, but it's not true for most people. Most people will go die for a flag because "ME GOOD OTHERS BAD". This is also why I will not fight for king and country, because they are thoroughly evil, and they do not have sovereignty or independence.
They stand for plenty of things, a lot of them bad things. But I do think that a lot of people are 'reactionary' in the literal sense. They hate the vaccine because Biden said it's good. If Trump had won, my bet is that a lot of them would love it, and the Dems would be bashing it.
What makes you think that having principles is an advantage? I used to think like this, but an unending string of losses make me more inclined to "do whatever it takes". You can have the best principles, but if you do nothing but lose, it doesn't really matter, does it?
DeSantis seems too good to be true, except on foreign policy. My worry is that a lot of establishment types are backing him. Why? He has not burned his bridges with the establishment, so he can turn on his anti-establisment supporters in a way that Trump cannot.
I support Trump over DeSantis, insofar as my worthless support is worth anything:
And you say Lindsey Graham supports Trump. Yes, he does. Probably because he thinks he can manipulate Trump like he did during his first term by ingratiating himself. Neocons got almost everything they wanted out of Trump except a new war.
Winning with a Mitt Romney is like losing. I don't care about a 3% cut in spending, it does me no good nor any harm.
I care that a country from across the ocean is controlling everything my country does, that we are occupied and have no sovereignty, and that people here are freezing and starving because of its empire.
I'd rather lose with Trump than win with Romney.
You're a FOREIGNER but talking about American politics. Damn right. If I'm good enough to be occupied by Americans, I'm good enough to at least comment on politics of Americans, not?
I've also given up on winning. We're up against forces that cannot be defeated. Still, it's worth fighting the good fight, and at least trying to create the conditions where you can win if you estimation of the odds of winning are off.
"do whatever it takes" on the tactical level to win battles
have principles on the strategic level to create a lasting majority
This is how DeSantis fights. See for example how he fights Disney & pledged to ballot harvest. Principles are a weapon you use to entrench your supremacy. It's a way to weaponize being right. They aren't Queensberry Rules you handicap yourself with.
DeSantis foreign policy is Realist like Elbridge Colby. So if you support that, you'd support him. Trump has no meaningful foreign policy except to attempt to "be historic", which is why he will be subject to elite capture on it.
DeSantis is openly against the establishment & his relationship with them is strictly "you can support me but I'll give you nothing in return except a ticket to watch my victories". Trump desperately wants the approval of the establishment which is why he constantly talks to the NYT & other lib media personalities.
Despite you saying Trump "burned his bridges" he routinely flirts with & kisses up to the Establishment, including taking their side against DeSantis.
DeSantis being young means he can bring the Right 30+ years of owning the libs, just like Clarence Thomas.
Roger Stone openly said he manipulated Trump with flattery. It's obvious to everyone that Trump is easy to manipulate as long as you kiss his ass. Trump even praised Gavin Newsom. The Neocons would have a field day with him.
As soon as Trump decided pacifism & isolationism weren't cool anymore, he'd be the biggest warmonger you've ever seen. Trump wants to "go big" on everything he does.
Agree but Romney isn't running, DeSantis is. Dude is like Genghis Khan of the Right. Go to Florida & all you'll hear are the lamentations of their women.
Realists want to end the US occupation of Europe. Unlike you, we see this "occupation" as a scam by which Euros steal $33b per year from the pockets of the US taxpayer. We can't afford to subsidize their social welfare states anymore. Neocons sold us out to Europe so they could get their asses kissed when they vacationed there.
Even if you are demoralized you have to fight to win, to the bitter end, because you might get an upset & start to turn things around. DeSantis is the one to throw the libs from the walls & lead our counter-attack to drive them before us for the next 8 years.
Yes that's important. But your principles have to address complex ethical questions such as the situation we have before us. If there were violent J6ers then should they be punished right away or should the punishment be deferred until we have equal enforcement under the law? Should they be pardoned due to their victim status? The pardon is also a legitimate legal instrument. Is it really fair, based on principles, for them to be tried by a DC jury? Is that really a jury of their peers?
Given the behavior of the justice system, which violated several constitutional rights, should any of the convictions handed down be considered legitimate?
What do your principles allow you to do to combat unequal enforcement of the law? Will you withhold services from progressive areas to coerce them? Will you pursue indictments against Democrats even if the evidence is less than ironclad?
This is not the time for a pat answer like "do the crime, do the time." Especially when J6ers have received 18 years in prison for trespassing.