Republican primary voters most popular issues: This is the way
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J6 was one of the most successful false flags in history. Even the fucking target believed it.
It's absolutely insane. I'd be interested in seeing the breakdown by age, because I'd wager that most anyone who still gets their "news" from TV (i.e. mostly old people) are the ones that think that J6 was the worst attack on the US since the revolutionary war and that the 2020 election was the most secure, safe, and effective ever.
Despite all the propaganda, more people thought the BLM riots were worse than J6. Don't mistake the astroturfed reality for actual opinions of real people.
I would say that is true albeit with a massive partisan split. The Democrats are totally detached from reality, we we see from them thinking thousands of unarmed black men are killed by police every year, & thinking half the people who catch COVID need to be hospitalized, etc.
With double-think, it's very easy to believe that BLM riots were worse than J6 and simultaneously that J6 was the worst attack on a nation state in the history of human civilization.
/u/dekachin is unfortunately right.
A majority of Democrats don't even think there was significant violence in 2020. The level of total brainwashing is unbelievable.
We don't live in the same world as these people.
No, normal right wing people are just sick of hearing about it & always opposed violence against police & rioting.
The J6ers who engaged in violence deserve prison, just not as much as they got.
The BLM rioters deserved prison even more, yet all of them were let off.
The "justice system" in America right now is rigged against the Right.
The solution isn't to stop punishing Right wing wrongdoers, it's to start punishing the Left wing ones. Order, not chaos.
Unironically, people like you are why America fell.
“No friends to the right” in action. Imagine classifying a massive segment of your own (supposed) political cohort as abnormal. And imagine doing so while referencing a poll that shows you are still in the minority on these issues. I guess “normal” republicans are the neocons and Civnats who are “leading” the party while representing the views of only 10-30% of its voters.
Fr. Just more milquetoasting.
What is wrong with what he said? Be specific.
The state lost the right to imprison any rioter the moment they started jailing people without charge for months at a time, engaging in brainwashing efforts, refusing to treat people for medical illnesses, keeping people with misdemeanor charges in solitary confinement for 23 hours a day, refusing to let prisoners see their lawyers, and otherwise refusing to give anyone a fair trial.
The DC Circuit for Trump supporters is as badly slanted as the all-white Mississippi courts were for the Scottsboro Boys.
You fail to understand the importance of the friend/enemy distinction. You can go back to equally doling out punishment for wrongdoing after you win the war and have power.
The system was broken and the process of justice poisoned. They must ALL be pardoned, even those who "engaged in violence". Anyone who was imprisoned must be compensated.
Even if some of the government's claims may be true, their overall narrative and motivation on this issue cannot be trusted.
It wasn't shit. The left literally trashed and burned cities, and what happened? Their charges were dropped and they were let go. Some right wingers walk around in the capitol building for a few hours, damage nothing but some doors, and leave when asked to, and it's a fucking 4 year witch hunt.
i remember the scant few arrests made of the leftoids rioting being called kidnappings by secret police
they laid siege to a courthouse tossing munitions like a medieval army
Agreed. Infuriating that it's that low.
Part of it I blame on the Conservatives "Back The Blue" establishmentarian mentality.
Liberals understand that if the government breaks the law when trying to convict someone, the guilty must walk. It's the only way to punish the state.
Conservatives and Republicans are fucking notorious in the legal sphere for allowing the state to violate the law if they think they got the right guy. They got some real "24" vibes going on in their heads.
They are still holding onto that idea that "order is more important than liberty" even when the hammer of the state is bashing their brains in. Say what you will about Libertarian tolerance for degeneracy; but they'd rather let even the guilty go free if the state were in the wrong; and there is real value in that.
No, we have lots of details on the main people charged in it. There were only a small number of them, but they were genuine Trump supporters.
Calling it a false flag is simply wrong. To be a false flag, the J6ers would have had to have been opposed to Trump. They were not.
The few incidents where Feds were suspected in the crowd have eventually been exposed & turned out to be false. There were a few BLM types & libs in the crowd, but they weren't the reason why the J6ers went in.
Stop being delusional & accept the truth. Obey reality. Stop thinking like a tranny.
Now, by contrast, we have evidence that the "Patriot Front" is actually comprised of feds thanks to the Proud Boys kicking their ass & unmasking several of them.
To be clear: you believe a rag tag bunch of unarmed yokels took over and legitimately threatened one of the most secure locations in the world without the malicious “permission” of those in charge?
And at this point you’re basically calling a Benghazi and saying “what difference does it make?”. Stolen elections and engineered false flags are so 2-3 years ago! We need to abandon all of the issues that our opponents want us to abandon and turn our attention to the next (inevitably stolen) election.
Jesus Christ you suck. No wonder all we do is lose.
He believes the proud boys unmasked the fed bois and j6 was another holohoax.
The right will continue to lose when this is the predominant position they take politically. 2 steps behind the vanguard progressives in the destruction of our people.
you idiots actually complain when I say shit you ought to agree with.
you're just little midgets bouncing off each other in your angry little echo chamber desperate for some enemy to rail against.
"oh look, there is a right winger with a brain that works, let's all gang up on him!"
LOL dude, the libs broke you like Trump broke the libs. sad.
But they had fistfuls of zip ties! Zip ties! They could have conquered dozens of countries with them.
There is no way to be sure, but like you, I believe it was at least somewhat intentional. It is not unreasonable to hold that it is incompetence though.
How does it benefit you, or anyone, to complain about an election 3 years ago? Advocate for election security. That will set off the bad actors as well, without playing poorly with middle-of-the-road people.
We don't lose because there are some people who are in the right place, but who have slightly different nuances here and there. We lose because the people in charge, whatever their superficial color, are all of the same tribe, and I don't mean da Jooz.
And yeah, yeah, I know, me bad as well.
Kind of sounds like "advocate for border security" and we all know that get results, hmmm?
Generally when you are trying to pass stricter guidelines on anything you need a casus belli, so to speak. You can't just say "hey this system works fine but I think we need photo ID and paper ballots now just because"
They're all liberal elites, & that includes most of the Republican donor class as well.
DeSantis is actually fighting against them while Trump is sucking up to them.
You know who the elites feel threatened by, by who the lib media focuses their attacks on.
No, but they did commit crimes by violently attacking cops & in some cases damaging property.
They deserve prison for that.
The Oath Keepers leader Stewart Rhodes was grossly over-sentenced to 18 years in prison when he didn't even go into the Capitol & didn't fight cops. He was singled out to be made an example of because his existence scares liberals, not because he committed crimes.
Trump should have blanket pardoned every J6er who didn't engage in violence, but he was a coward trying to save his own ass.
Nope, and that makes no sense.
Trump lost. There was no proof of large scale election fraud. The Kraken was never released. It was all a pack of lies.
Which all turned out to be bullshit, although they seem to have been ramping up now - not in 2020 - but now they seem to be starting to manifest into reality. Perhaps because the Feds got so many "good" ideas from you lot they decided to actually start to do what you've been accusing them of.
Who is doing that? Certainly not me.
If DeSantis is the candidate, we will win & it will be the libs screeching that it was stolen as a cope.
I'd rather be the one winning than the one coping. You'd rather lose & cope.
Jesus Christ you suck. No wonder all we do is lose.
So how far does that boot fit down your throat?
every single mail-in ballot is fraudulent.
Ray Epps remains completely free, despite overwhelming evidence of organizing and fomenting a riot. He is even defended routinely by those pushing that J6 was this extreme attack on democracy and that all those responsible belong in bars....despite him literally fomenting and organizing the worst aspects of it.
The pipe bomb threat on J6 is increasingly proving to be an absolute hoax, as a it has been proven that the "pipe bombs" were completely inoperable.
Plenty of the actually violent individuals on J6 remain "unknown," and it seems as if they are not actually being looked for, while nonviolent people are ruthlessly attacked and persecuted.
The police actions taken during J6 were unusual, with the execution of Ashly Babbit (and extreme amounts of defending for that officers extremely malicious and terrible actions), and the deployment of flashbangs straight into a peaceful crowd (even lighting an individual on fire), without even going into the fact that the police waved the people into the building in the first place.
I agree it's strange that Ray Epps wasn't charged, but that doesn't mean he's a Fed.
True & we always knew this was bullshit.
He should have been fired & charged but libs don't punish people who kill Republicans. Reverse the parties & have it be a white cop shooting an unarmed black woman & you'd have "Saint Floyd" riots & a Chauvin sequel.
"Fed" doesn't exclusively mean an employed law enforcement officer. It also applies to people contracted or paid under the table by feds. You'd have to be an idiot to believe Epps is not a fed.
That's a bald faced lie.
The genuine Trump supporters are guilty of what? Putting their feet on Pelosi's desk?
Ray Epps has been proven to be a God-fearing patriot not-fed?
Hard to believe that you went from the above comment, which was exactly on the money, to this.
There is no proof positive that Ray Epps was a fed, but is it not highly likely? You cannot say that it 'turned out to be false'.
Some of the people here are straitjacket-tier crazy people.
I read some stuff investigating Ray Epps & it seemed clear enough to me that he wasn't a fed. It's not like the FBI is putting sleeper agents in the US population. There is a reason everyone says they "glow in the dark". The FBI is actually very bad at hiding itself.
Example: the "Patriot Front", which is so laughably obvious & recently got exposed.
But there's a ton of stuff that makes no sense. Why was he never arrested? Why is the NYT and Crying Adam Kinzinger defending him?
The feds claim that he only called on others to enter the Capitol, and that he never did so himself. Isn't that exactly the kind of behavior you would expect from an agent provocateur?