The truth of the matter is if a woman is gauging you like she's a hiring manager then you are in fact nothing but her employee. She wants to know how little she can pay you to get the most value from you, just like an employer.
Women will go straight to a man's house she wants to sleep with without even a date. Every man wants to be this man. The problem is that women are now separating these men. If a woman wants sex, she contacts one of the top 100 men in the whole city, who are the same men all the other thousands of women are sleeping with. When she wants "resources" (serious relationship), she goes on dates and gauges how little she needs to have sex with the man to get him to give her tons of resources. She comes to these dates with 0 sexual energy because she gets all the sex she wants from those 100 men. The men going on dates with these women feel exactly what's going on. They feel like nothing more than resource providers and there's 0 intimacy. The men all want sex and they want to spend as little as possible to get it. When the men all know these women are sleeping around with other men for free, why would any man be willing to invest anything in these women? Not only that, the women don't come to the table with anything themselves. They don't offer sex and they don't offer anything else. It's pointless.
Yes, obviously exceptions exist but generally the women who are exceptions to what I described are ugly women. No man wants to be with an ugly woman. Worse yet, the ugly women act like the men should be lucky to date them when it should be the reverse. Ugly women should be putting in effort to attract the men but they don't so why would any man want to be treated like an employee by an ugly woman?
Overall, dating is worthless for men. The sad reality is that men get more value paying an escort than dating regular women found on dating apps. And if one doesn't want to buy an escort, men get better value just not even dating at all.
If a woman wants sex, she contacts one of the top 100 men in the whole city, who are the same men all the other thousands of women are sleeping with.
If any of you doubt this you can look at the data on STD rates of heteros broken out by genders and see women's infections are 4-5 times higher than men's.
Yeah, because those 100 men are getting it from the women and spreading it to the thousands of other women they're fucking. The bottom 95% of men are left out, and the upside to that is that they don't have to worry about STD's unless they get into a relationshit with one of those whores after Chad and Tyrone are done with her.
Yeah I didnt expect you to understand the rate of spread of 1 infected guy fucking 1 girl vs 1 infected guy fucking 10 girls would produce different results.
I'm on my phone but you can easily do this by finding out the infection rate, that is a percent chance, not the same data from the number of heteros who are infected, and compare the number against the percentage of heteros infected. And see what the difference is. If the percentages are not exactly 1-1, but incredibly skewed high with women and low with men, there is your answer.
Everybody wants some. I want some too. This is about subjugation of desire in favor of higher order needs. A ‘loose‘ woman doesn’t reference the tightness of her pussy. She has loose morals and presents like a feral animal. That puts the herd at risk.
Even simple pack animals understand this and punish this behavior. The only reason that it is allowed to occur in the present future is because they are propped up as an artifice of the state. In any other time or place these women would be ostracized for their behavior because it destroys the fabric of society.
Those condoning or encouraging the behavior hope to see the west collapse and could care less about families, autonomy or self agency — let alone morality. All of those things threaten the corporate machine. An immoral woman is a tool and a wife to the state.
Sort of yes but also no. It's not that women are all lying whores on the lookout for a sugar daddy. But dates are garbage because they don't really do what they are theoretically supposed to do (build attraction between humans).
I have been on dozens of dates that went no where. I've also married a woman I went out on a random date with. It worked out really well. The funny thing is though, the best 'dates' were with girls who were already 'primed', either by picking me out through a friend circle, or friends setting us up. Those dates were slam dunks.
Essentially the mating dance isn't verbal or logical. It is the lack of attraction that leads to boring 'job interview' dates. Women don't know what attracts them to men and society refuses to align itself in such a way to facilitate these relationships. Other cultures where marriages are a handshake agreement between father and groom do not have this issue.
This is true. Many guys though have nothing other than tinder so dating just doesn't work for most men. Warm leads are always preferable and workout better. Most guys don't have access to any.
Most guys don't have friends? You just need to set up your life so you come into contact with more women naturally. It's very possible.
I think the problem is the current society belief that if a man does XYZ a girl will fall for him. Everyone believes this. Liberals tell men to be nice. PUAs tell guys to be manipulative. Girls do this all the time too. "Treat a girl X way and she'll love you!" Bullshit.
So guys go on a date, follow the instructions, and get nothing. Because it's false. Being nice doesn't work. Being an asshole doesn't work. Nothing "works." A girl either gets wet for you or she doesn't. The reasons are mostly out of your control. You can't make a girl like you. However, if a girl does like you, almost nothing you do will make her not like you. That's the secret. Find a girl who's into you, and everything else is easy.
Every guy's situation is going to vary but yes, a lot of guys don't have friends or they do have friends and their friends are in the same situation as them. If they have friends, most of the friends have no one left to tap into within their friend circles. At least within my cohort of peers, most everyone has moved around lots for work. Hardly anyone stayed in the same city passed university for very long.
Your last line is a little out of touch. You basically said "find a winning lottery ticket and then getting rich becomes easy". Well, duh lol.
So you're saying if men have friends that aren't connected to any attractive single women, that's the man's fault? I'm sure you have friends, so you probably know what it's like to make a friend. You don't really "pick your friends", it more-or-less just happens. You sit by some guy in a university class, you find some random roommate on kijiji, you chat with some guy randomly at a bar, you go to the gym and always run into the same guy, etc... Sometimes it just happens that the friends you make don't have access to suitable single women. How is that any man's fault?
A girl 'like'ing you only results in your being one of the few she fucks regularly. Doesn't mean anything in terms of a relationship for life.
The reason for all this BS, and really part of the slippery slope of the alphabet maniacs, is this idea that relationships based on 'feels' is the most important thing.
What comes from hormones/chemicals, can be got from a bottle, and lost with replacement hormones/chemicals.
This is a grossly reductionist view on it, and I guarantee you women do not want to do what you described. Women use sex as a way to get into a relationship, which is different from the way men view sex, but they stigmatize whoring out.
Dating is useful because when you do encounter "job interview girls", you know she's not worth any more time. The whole point is to use dating as a screening tool. Bemoaning that dating doesnt generate immediate successful results is like complaining that you have to pour material through a sieve to get sieved material.
You and I both know the technical pick-up folks who just have sex have different goals than the folks trying to get in a relationship - most of them aren't very happy either, so claiming that dating is useless because it doesn't lead to that scenario is defeatist bullshit.
I am defeated. I tried dating for years. I'm now 34yo and single. I haven't been bothered to date for 2 years because of how bad dating is. I've gone on dates with well over 100+ women. I just got a new job offer for $140k/yr and I own a 3 bedroom house. I go to the gym 4-5 days a week, I'm fit, eat healthy, white, 5'10", still have some hair.
The relationship market is trash, it truly is. Some men still find success in it but most men don't. I mean, the stats where 2/3s of men are single in their 20s and 1/3 of men in their 20s haven't had sex in over a year didn't give it away?
Women demand too much and offer too little. It's not worth the energy. It's like panning for gold. Sure, maybe you could get lucky and find a gold nugget but for most people, you're just going to find dirt so it's going to just be a giant waste of time and money.
Don't take it personally, but that is the issue right there. And there is nothing you can do about it. You aren't even short, you are just an average height. And that one characteristic rules you out for a majority of women, unless you had another genetic X-factor to make up for it.
Basically, if you're 5'10" only 30% of women even want to acknowledge your existence.
Can you cut the crap and hyperbole? Not wanting to date you is not 'not acknowledging your existence'. It's like troons who accuse everyone of ERASING MY EXISTENCE.
I am defeated. I tried dating for years. I'm now 34yo and single. I haven't been bothered to date for 2 years because of how bad dating is. I've gone on dates with well over 100+ women.
Sorry to hear that, but in all honesty, there is some fishy stuff here. Let me guess, all those 100+ women just happened to be completely crazy, while you dindu nuffin. For that matter, they went out on dates with you, yet things did not turn out well, apparently.
Seriously man, have you ever considered that the problem could be with you? You have a seriously bad attitude. Frankly, those 100+ women seem to be pretty smart, because you are on record as saying that "women should be sex slaves with no rights". I'm not sure they're very keen on being kept locked in a basement because of your great enlightenment.
and 1/3 of men in their 20s haven't had sex in over a year
I don't believe studies with such absurd claims.
Women demand too much
Like I said, an absurd claim. Just go outside and watch all the OK-ish women with complete abominations of men. Women will put up with a lot.
and offer too little.
By all accounts, more men are going after dating than women, so objectively, women offer a lot - which is why it's a buyer's market for them.
Holy shit please. You're the biggest simp on this site and completely out of touch with reality. You're literally ignoring statistics in favor of your made up delusions and anecdotal evidence.
Please, you think 'simp' is any more impressive than 'racist' when you're losing an argument?
You're literally ignoring statistics
EXPERTS SAY
in favor of your made up delusions and anecdotal evidence.
Hell yeah, what I know to be true due to my own experience is more persuasive than some 'expert' or fraudulent statistics. Go outside and you'll be able to see the same.
Seriously man, have you ever considered that the problem could be with you? You have a seriously bad attitude.
Ah yes the old "you're just bitter" response. Definitely disproves everything he's said.
Women demand too much - an absurd claim
Tell me you're a simping niggerfaggot without telling me you're a simping niggerfaggot
more men are going after dating than women, so objectively, women offer a lot
Men go after women because women aren't going to go after them unless they are chad thundercock. Men are so desperate for affection they will try with literal 3/10s even if they themselves are a 5, because the market is so skewed by online dating and women's impossible standards.
A fat single mom with no job doesn't offer a lot and yet can still get what she wants. It shouldn't be that way, but it is, due to simps like you.
Ah yes the old "you're just bitter" response. Definitely disproves everything he's said.
Don't worry, I disproved anything worth disproving. And yeah, I think someone who says that "women should be property and sex slaves to men" has a pretty bad attitude, and that someone like that isn't going to be able to find a woman. Shocking. I know.
Tell me you're a simping niggerfaggot without telling me you're a simping niggerfaggot
Definitely disproves what came after... which you conveniently didn't quote.
Men are so desperate for affection they will try with literal 3/10s even if they themselves are a 5, because the market is so skewed by online dating and women's impossible standards.
Wait, so men are desperate and have no standards, and this means that women are bad?
That doesn't happen. Go to any crowded place and see how many men you see with women who are less attractive. Almost never. On the other hand, I see plenty of women who seem to be happy with men who look much worse.
A fat single mom with no job doesn't offer a lot and yet can still get what she wants. It shouldn't be that way, but it is, due to simps like you.
I don't date either fats or single moms, so you're wrong there, kiddo.
Question for you: How come you assume it's my personality that sucks so bad? Why don't you consider that the majority of women's personalities suck so bad that I avoid them like the plague?
I can see that, or just out-of-touch. Won the lottery and now has self-attribution bias where he thinks everyone can win the lottery and if they can't it's because they aren't trying hard enough.
I have plenty of women attracted to me. Why would I want anything to do with overweight single moms or hyper-materialistic whores that want to go on vacation every weekend?
Nah, he's still a simp because rather than listening to what a man has to say, he immediately assumes the man is wrong and there is nothing wrong with the women.
How come you assume it's my personality that sucks so bad?
Possibly because you said that "women should be the property of men and sex slaves". But hey, maybe you'll find that one woman who thinks she should be your property. That is indeed the jackpot.
Why don't you consider that the majority of women's personalities suck so bad that I avoid them like the plague?
Cause you accused them of being too picky for not wanting you. You didn't say you didn't want them because of their personality.
If you meet an asshole in the morning, you’ve met an asshole. If you meet one in the afternoon, you’ve met two assholes. If you meet assholes all day, you’re the asshole
The men interviewed within the article specifically talk about not wanting to commit, and at least one [quote/interview?] about a woman who went on a date with [one man] who did want [commitment].
Online commentators: Be better, men.
Mainstream media: Men are the reason behind the mating crisis because they refuse to be better.
Psychiatrists: Here are some studies which show why only men need to be better.
Self-help gurus: Lift weights and touch grass as a start, men. You need to be better than the best.
It is, and the Manosphere (parts of it anyway) are the only ones telling men to do that because the rest of this sick society would rather use their problems as a hook to gaslight them into being useful for whatever deranged cause is currently fashionable than see them succeed.
The problem is when both are sold as guarantees to find a partner. I've seen videos of long term single men in their thirties and forties telling their younger audience that they are not the miracle cures people sell them as for loneliness.
I'm in my 30s. I go to the gym 4-5 times a week and I golf outside in the summer. I'm still depressed. They aren't magical cures.
Something often neglected by the "work out to get a date" crew is that as you yourself improve, your standards will increase. To think about it on the extreme, if you were 300 pounds and struggling to attract other 300 pound women because those 300 pound women felt they deserved Chad, so you hit the gym and became 200 pounds of muscle, you no longer care about the 300 pound fat chicks. You now want the skinny gym girls because if you're willing to devote 10 hours a week to self improvement, you're going to want a woman who puts the same amount of effort in for herself. You won't be attracted to lazy fat slobs anymore. The competition for these attractive women is even steeper than it was for 300 pound women when you were 300 pounds yourself. Becoming fit and healthy as a guy doesn't necessarily make the game any easier, it just changes the game. That's why you should really only workout for yourself not for women.
A significant amount of money on the other hand will make the game easier but there's no guaranteed way to make enough of it.
Don’t see why men should have to pay for date when women can work the same jobs. The man paying only made sense when women didn’t work. Come on feminism fight for women having to split the bill
The secret is to be okay with not finding someone. I never went out of my way to date and I met someone through one of my hobbies. Our relationship feels very natural and neither of us are sacrificing much.
Even if I didn't meet her, I'd be happier alone than in an imperfect relationship.
The secret is to be okay with not finding someone.
Even if I didn't meet her, I'd be happier alone than in an imperfect relationship.
This could be called something like "accepting MGTOW in principle", and is very powerful for men based on a standard analysis of negotiation in any context. If you are not willing to walk away from a bad deal and just say no, the other party has you by the balls and can demand anything they want. Obviously the same thing applies to men and relationships - if men are told that they need to find a woman or the most important thing a man could ever achieve is having access to sex, then they are easily manipulated into accepting bad deals as they aren't willing to walk away from these.
That's why most of the standard advice for men, from women, from "traditionalists" and even from "red-pilled men", is bunk - it still focuses entirely on men "getting" women, rather than men just being their own men and demanding a good deal, or being happy being alone if it doesn't come along.
I remember agreeing with the root principle of MGTOW, but I don't consider myself like the people who call themselves MGTOW. For men who are supposedly going their own way, there's a lot of obsession with women in that community.
I suspect MGTOW sites don't give a fair indication of an average man who has truly decided to "go his own way". The men that actually come to terms with being MGTOW move on and leave that community to carry on doing whatever interests them by themselves. After all, the only thing they definitely have in common would be what they aren't doing (getting together with women), so that doesn't really work. The ones that you see there either can't let go or haven't reached that stage.
Of course the MGTOW that you do hear from are the ones that do complain. You don't hear from that don't complain because they aren't complaining. It's just standard survivorship bias.
That has a truth to it. On the other hand all of my major girlfriends and my wife are from Facebook geek stuff. Mutual friends and groups let us comment back and forth, become friends and then realized it was more than that.
Yes, but traditional also means that they expect you to provide for them, which is not something some of the spoiled brats who complain about women are willing to do or capable of.
They're fine with providing for a traditional woman. What they're not fine with is providing for a washed up whore who doesn't put out anymore and plans to steal his shit from the get go. Or they just do hookups/P2P overseas, which is a much better deal than it is in the West.
Dates should be mutual job interviews. Each evaluating whether the other is good candidate for spouse and parent. The unidirectionality is the problem.
The truth of the matter is if a woman is gauging you like she's a hiring manager then you are in fact nothing but her employee. She wants to know how little she can pay you to get the most value from you, just like an employer.
Women will go straight to a man's house she wants to sleep with without even a date. Every man wants to be this man. The problem is that women are now separating these men. If a woman wants sex, she contacts one of the top 100 men in the whole city, who are the same men all the other thousands of women are sleeping with. When she wants "resources" (serious relationship), she goes on dates and gauges how little she needs to have sex with the man to get him to give her tons of resources. She comes to these dates with 0 sexual energy because she gets all the sex she wants from those 100 men. The men going on dates with these women feel exactly what's going on. They feel like nothing more than resource providers and there's 0 intimacy. The men all want sex and they want to spend as little as possible to get it. When the men all know these women are sleeping around with other men for free, why would any man be willing to invest anything in these women? Not only that, the women don't come to the table with anything themselves. They don't offer sex and they don't offer anything else. It's pointless.
Yes, obviously exceptions exist but generally the women who are exceptions to what I described are ugly women. No man wants to be with an ugly woman. Worse yet, the ugly women act like the men should be lucky to date them when it should be the reverse. Ugly women should be putting in effort to attract the men but they don't so why would any man want to be treated like an employee by an ugly woman?
Overall, dating is worthless for men. The sad reality is that men get more value paying an escort than dating regular women found on dating apps. And if one doesn't want to buy an escort, men get better value just not even dating at all.
If any of you doubt this you can look at the data on STD rates of heteros broken out by genders and see women's infections are 4-5 times higher than men's.
Yeah, because those 100 men are getting it from the women and spreading it to the thousands of other women they're fucking. The bottom 95% of men are left out, and the upside to that is that they don't have to worry about STD's unless they get into a relationshit with one of those whores after Chad and Tyrone are done with her.
The receptive partner is always at greater risk of STDs.
One does not need to accept the crackpot ideas of seriously troubled people to know that.
try as you might, you cant explain this with risk profiles alone. there has to to be a sexual encounter for the risk profile to even come into play.
No kidding, sexually transmitted diseases are transmitted... sexually. It's just that your crazy claims supposedly explaining them doesn't make sense.
Yeah I didnt expect you to understand the rate of spread of 1 infected guy fucking 1 girl vs 1 infected guy fucking 10 girls would produce different results.
You have that all calculated? Great, show me your work.
So silly.
I'm on my phone but you can easily do this by finding out the infection rate, that is a percent chance, not the same data from the number of heteros who are infected, and compare the number against the percentage of heteros infected. And see what the difference is. If the percentages are not exactly 1-1, but incredibly skewed high with women and low with men, there is your answer.
So women are basically catchers mitts. Even more reason to not be whores and they know this. But what do they do? Exactly. So shut the fuck up.
No can do. It's quite rich for men to bash women for wanting sex too much, considering their own record.
Everybody wants some. I want some too. This is about subjugation of desire in favor of higher order needs. A ‘loose‘ woman doesn’t reference the tightness of her pussy. She has loose morals and presents like a feral animal. That puts the herd at risk.
Even simple pack animals understand this and punish this behavior. The only reason that it is allowed to occur in the present future is because they are propped up as an artifice of the state. In any other time or place these women would be ostracized for their behavior because it destroys the fabric of society.
Those condoning or encouraging the behavior hope to see the west collapse and could care less about families, autonomy or self agency — let alone morality. All of those things threaten the corporate machine. An immoral woman is a tool and a wife to the state.
Admit you're a fag without admitting you're a fag.
Quite right, it's equally applicable to fags.
No normal human being says "receptive partner.". Pretty dead giveaway.
lol. i didnt even pick up on that, u/AntonioOfVenice is a latinx bottom
Well, duh, Sherlock. How much mental effort did it take to figure out that it was meant to apply to fags as well, Mr. Stormfag?
confirmed ADL/Fed subverter shill. why do you guys use that word, its a dead give away. no one uses that word but you fags
"dUrR, i WaS BeInG iRoNiC"
You are the reddit we all came here to avoid.
Sort of yes but also no. It's not that women are all lying whores on the lookout for a sugar daddy. But dates are garbage because they don't really do what they are theoretically supposed to do (build attraction between humans).
I have been on dozens of dates that went no where. I've also married a woman I went out on a random date with. It worked out really well. The funny thing is though, the best 'dates' were with girls who were already 'primed', either by picking me out through a friend circle, or friends setting us up. Those dates were slam dunks.
Essentially the mating dance isn't verbal or logical. It is the lack of attraction that leads to boring 'job interview' dates. Women don't know what attracts them to men and society refuses to align itself in such a way to facilitate these relationships. Other cultures where marriages are a handshake agreement between father and groom do not have this issue.
This is true. Many guys though have nothing other than tinder so dating just doesn't work for most men. Warm leads are always preferable and workout better. Most guys don't have access to any.
Basically, find a chick who looks at you the way this chick looks at this dude.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WhQ-AEZovE&ab_channel=GaspariNutrition
That chick be crazy with tingles. Will burn bright, and then burn you.
Most guys don't have friends? You just need to set up your life so you come into contact with more women naturally. It's very possible.
I think the problem is the current society belief that if a man does XYZ a girl will fall for him. Everyone believes this. Liberals tell men to be nice. PUAs tell guys to be manipulative. Girls do this all the time too. "Treat a girl X way and she'll love you!" Bullshit.
So guys go on a date, follow the instructions, and get nothing. Because it's false. Being nice doesn't work. Being an asshole doesn't work. Nothing "works." A girl either gets wet for you or she doesn't. The reasons are mostly out of your control. You can't make a girl like you. However, if a girl does like you, almost nothing you do will make her not like you. That's the secret. Find a girl who's into you, and everything else is easy.
Every guy's situation is going to vary but yes, a lot of guys don't have friends or they do have friends and their friends are in the same situation as them. If they have friends, most of the friends have no one left to tap into within their friend circles. At least within my cohort of peers, most everyone has moved around lots for work. Hardly anyone stayed in the same city passed university for very long.
Your last line is a little out of touch. You basically said "find a winning lottery ticket and then getting rich becomes easy". Well, duh lol.
If guys don’t have friends or girls that are friends then that’s on them. At some point men need to be responsible for their friendships.
So you're saying if men have friends that aren't connected to any attractive single women, that's the man's fault? I'm sure you have friends, so you probably know what it's like to make a friend. You don't really "pick your friends", it more-or-less just happens. You sit by some guy in a university class, you find some random roommate on kijiji, you chat with some guy randomly at a bar, you go to the gym and always run into the same guy, etc... Sometimes it just happens that the friends you make don't have access to suitable single women. How is that any man's fault?
You’re the guy that somehow has all this money, looks, muscles, and went on 100s of dates yet can’t find anyone?
LOL
A girl 'like'ing you only results in your being one of the few she fucks regularly. Doesn't mean anything in terms of a relationship for life.
The reason for all this BS, and really part of the slippery slope of the alphabet maniacs, is this idea that relationships based on 'feels' is the most important thing.
What comes from hormones/chemicals, can be got from a bottle, and lost with replacement hormones/chemicals.
Ding ding ding, we have a winner. If you're not Chad then dating is a gyp. So the lesson is either become Chad or hire a professional.
This is a grossly reductionist view on it, and I guarantee you women do not want to do what you described. Women use sex as a way to get into a relationship, which is different from the way men view sex, but they stigmatize whoring out.
Dating is useful because when you do encounter "job interview girls", you know she's not worth any more time. The whole point is to use dating as a screening tool. Bemoaning that dating doesnt generate immediate successful results is like complaining that you have to pour material through a sieve to get sieved material.
You and I both know the technical pick-up folks who just have sex have different goals than the folks trying to get in a relationship - most of them aren't very happy either, so claiming that dating is useless because it doesn't lead to that scenario is defeatist bullshit.
I am defeated. I tried dating for years. I'm now 34yo and single. I haven't been bothered to date for 2 years because of how bad dating is. I've gone on dates with well over 100+ women. I just got a new job offer for $140k/yr and I own a 3 bedroom house. I go to the gym 4-5 days a week, I'm fit, eat healthy, white, 5'10", still have some hair.
The relationship market is trash, it truly is. Some men still find success in it but most men don't. I mean, the stats where 2/3s of men are single in their 20s and 1/3 of men in their 20s haven't had sex in over a year didn't give it away?
Women demand too much and offer too little. It's not worth the energy. It's like panning for gold. Sure, maybe you could get lucky and find a gold nugget but for most people, you're just going to find dirt so it's going to just be a giant waste of time and money.
Don't take it personally, but that is the issue right there. And there is nothing you can do about it. You aren't even short, you are just an average height. And that one characteristic rules you out for a majority of women, unless you had another genetic X-factor to make up for it.
Yeah, I agree that's definitely a large factor.
For those unaware how big of a factor this is, here's a good example:
https://files.catbox.moe/mvgdmu.jpg
Basically, if you're 5'10" only 30% of women even want to acknowledge your existence.
Can you cut the crap and hyperbole? Not wanting to date you is not 'not acknowledging your existence'. It's like troons who accuse everyone of ERASING MY EXISTENCE.
Sorry to hear that, but in all honesty, there is some fishy stuff here. Let me guess, all those 100+ women just happened to be completely crazy, while you dindu nuffin. For that matter, they went out on dates with you, yet things did not turn out well, apparently.
Seriously man, have you ever considered that the problem could be with you? You have a seriously bad attitude. Frankly, those 100+ women seem to be pretty smart, because you are on record as saying that "women should be sex slaves with no rights". I'm not sure they're very keen on being kept locked in a basement because of your great enlightenment.
I don't believe studies with such absurd claims.
Like I said, an absurd claim. Just go outside and watch all the OK-ish women with complete abominations of men. Women will put up with a lot.
By all accounts, more men are going after dating than women, so objectively, women offer a lot - which is why it's a buyer's market for them.
Holy shit please. You're the biggest simp on this site and completely out of touch with reality. You're literally ignoring statistics in favor of your made up delusions and anecdotal evidence.
Simps gonna simp. Must defend milady's honour.
Please, you think 'simp' is any more impressive than 'racist' when you're losing an argument?
EXPERTS SAY
Hell yeah, what I know to be true due to my own experience is more persuasive than some 'expert' or fraudulent statistics. Go outside and you'll be able to see the same.
Life is more than than stats. It’s just self affirmation at this point.
You honestly have the most pozzed and cucked responses sometimes.
Only sometimes? Did you win the lottery? Cause you're in a generous mood...
Ah yes the old "you're just bitter" response. Definitely disproves everything he's said.
Tell me you're a simping niggerfaggot without telling me you're a simping niggerfaggot
Men go after women because women aren't going to go after them unless they are chad thundercock. Men are so desperate for affection they will try with literal 3/10s even if they themselves are a 5, because the market is so skewed by online dating and women's impossible standards.
A fat single mom with no job doesn't offer a lot and yet can still get what she wants. It shouldn't be that way, but it is, due to simps like you.
Don't worry, I disproved anything worth disproving. And yeah, I think someone who says that "women should be property and sex slaves to men" has a pretty bad attitude, and that someone like that isn't going to be able to find a woman. Shocking. I know.
Definitely disproves what came after... which you conveniently didn't quote.
I don't date either fats or single moms, so you're wrong there, kiddo.
Take out the "dindu nuffin" and this reply becomes indistinguishable from the feminist shaming tactics that are rampant on the pedo site.
Then it should be easy enough for you to show me where I'm wrong.
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted. This is true or any normal man who doesn’t waste > 50% of their lives on the internet.
I don’t believe any of this. Either you’re lying or your personality sucks so bad that women would rather avoid you like the plague.
Question for you: How come you assume it's my personality that sucks so bad? Why don't you consider that the majority of women's personalities suck so bad that I avoid them like the plague?
I can see that, or just out-of-touch. Won the lottery and now has self-attribution bias where he thinks everyone can win the lottery and if they can't it's because they aren't trying hard enough.
I have plenty of women attracted to me. Why would I want anything to do with overweight single moms or hyper-materialistic whores that want to go on vacation every weekend?
Nah, he's still a simp because rather than listening to what a man has to say, he immediately assumes the man is wrong and there is nothing wrong with the women.
Whatever you say, handshake queer.
Possibly because you said that "women should be the property of men and sex slaves". But hey, maybe you'll find that one woman who thinks she should be your property. That is indeed the jackpot.
Cause you accused them of being too picky for not wanting you. You didn't say you didn't want them because of their personality.
If you meet an asshole in the morning, you’ve met an asshole. If you meet one in the afternoon, you’ve met two assholes. If you meet assholes all day, you’re the asshole
Lol dude moat women are fucking multiple dudes while pretending to be or are actually interested you. This is am age of sociopathic disregard
I believe this was true before the mainstreaming of internet dating.
Why should they? Women put out for deadbeats within minutes of meeting them, so why should good men invest any more than those guys?
What?
First assumption is
Online commentators: Be better, men. Mainstream media: Men are the reason behind the mating crisis because they refuse to be better. Psychiatrists: Here are some studies which show why only men need to be better. Self-help gurus: Lift weights and touch grass as a start, men. You need to be better than the best.
To be fair, lifting weights and touching grass is good life advice in general.
It is, and the Manosphere (parts of it anyway) are the only ones telling men to do that because the rest of this sick society would rather use their problems as a hook to gaslight them into being useful for whatever deranged cause is currently fashionable than see them succeed.
The problem is when both are sold as guarantees to find a partner. I've seen videos of long term single men in their thirties and forties telling their younger audience that they are not the miracle cures people sell them as for loneliness.
I'm in my 30s. I go to the gym 4-5 times a week and I golf outside in the summer. I'm still depressed. They aren't magical cures.
Something often neglected by the "work out to get a date" crew is that as you yourself improve, your standards will increase. To think about it on the extreme, if you were 300 pounds and struggling to attract other 300 pound women because those 300 pound women felt they deserved Chad, so you hit the gym and became 200 pounds of muscle, you no longer care about the 300 pound fat chicks. You now want the skinny gym girls because if you're willing to devote 10 hours a week to self improvement, you're going to want a woman who puts the same amount of effort in for herself. You won't be attracted to lazy fat slobs anymore. The competition for these attractive women is even steeper than it was for 300 pound women when you were 300 pounds yourself. Becoming fit and healthy as a guy doesn't necessarily make the game any easier, it just changes the game. That's why you should really only workout for yourself not for women.
A significant amount of money on the other hand will make the game easier but there's no guaranteed way to make enough of it.
Is there any reason? Because by your self-description, there really is no reason to be depressed.
On a biological level lack of a partner means you failed at life and that's plenty of reason to be depressed.
Sure, but that generally doesn't cause people to become depressed, and he seemed to be at peace with it. So I find it rather strange.
I’ve never had to pay for a job interview.
Gas is free?
Don’t see why men should have to pay for date when women can work the same jobs. The man paying only made sense when women didn’t work. Come on feminism fight for women having to split the bill
I'd rather run them out of the workforce so we can get more work done. Women destroy productivity in the workplace.
What is should symbolize is that the man takes over finances of the new household he’s going to create while the woman stays home.
The secret is to be okay with not finding someone. I never went out of my way to date and I met someone through one of my hobbies. Our relationship feels very natural and neither of us are sacrificing much.
Even if I didn't meet her, I'd be happier alone than in an imperfect relationship.
This could be called something like "accepting MGTOW in principle", and is very powerful for men based on a standard analysis of negotiation in any context. If you are not willing to walk away from a bad deal and just say no, the other party has you by the balls and can demand anything they want. Obviously the same thing applies to men and relationships - if men are told that they need to find a woman or the most important thing a man could ever achieve is having access to sex, then they are easily manipulated into accepting bad deals as they aren't willing to walk away from these.
That's why most of the standard advice for men, from women, from "traditionalists" and even from "red-pilled men", is bunk - it still focuses entirely on men "getting" women, rather than men just being their own men and demanding a good deal, or being happy being alone if it doesn't come along.
I remember agreeing with the root principle of MGTOW, but I don't consider myself like the people who call themselves MGTOW. For men who are supposedly going their own way, there's a lot of obsession with women in that community.
I suspect MGTOW sites don't give a fair indication of an average man who has truly decided to "go his own way". The men that actually come to terms with being MGTOW move on and leave that community to carry on doing whatever interests them by themselves. After all, the only thing they definitely have in common would be what they aren't doing (getting together with women), so that doesn't really work. The ones that you see there either can't let go or haven't reached that stage.
This is good advice. However in practice, most guys who call themselves MGTOW obsessively complain about women and being single.
Of course the MGTOW that you do hear from are the ones that do complain. You don't hear from that don't complain because they aren't complaining. It's just standard survivorship bias.
I found mine in college. That’s one of the reasons you go in the first place.
I’m so lucky I got married over 25 years ago. Find yourself a low maintenance country girl and you’ll live happily ever after.
I am kind of glad I met my fiancé in high school, so we got to know each other then and grow into the relationship over the years.
Same. Married 16 years ago to my college sweetheart.
Facts
The traditional deal was sex and babies for wealth and protection. This has been played even though it no longer works as it did.
Geeks have been very strong in the new mating ritual of shared experience and interests.
10 neckbeads fighting for the attention of one legbeard
That has a truth to it. On the other hand all of my major girlfriends and my wife are from Facebook geek stuff. Mutual friends and groups let us comment back and forth, become friends and then realized it was more than that.
Hang in troll holes. Eventually another troll will rub your junk. Just like god intended.
I have some very mixed feelings about your response.
Because that's exactly what they are.
Holy shit, click the "out of embarrassment" link toward the end of the article.
Just a standard study in the rigorous field of psychology. I'm sure it was heavily discussed on r/science at some point.
haha why did they do that?
Unless he's Chad. The non-Chads know this and realize they're getting gyped, so they walk away.
I'd just go overseas. Girls from overseas are extremely traditional compared to trash in the US.
Go for Eastern EU or Asia, not the UK or Australia or Canada, they're just about same.
No polluting the white genetic pool please.
Yes, but traditional also means that they expect you to provide for them, which is not something some of the spoiled brats who complain about women are willing to do or capable of.
They're fine with providing for a traditional woman. What they're not fine with is providing for a washed up whore who doesn't put out anymore and plans to steal his shit from the get go. Or they just do hookups/P2P overseas, which is a much better deal than it is in the West.
Then I may have underestimated them. Absolutely, you shouldn't be providing for an archetypical Modern Western Woman.
"Ok...thank you. I'll process what you've told me today and I might call you to let you know if you can be inside me."
Dates should be mutual job interviews. Each evaluating whether the other is good candidate for spouse and parent. The unidirectionality is the problem.
Porn is gross and has desensitized you to degeneracy. Lay off of it for a bit.
Dun one?