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It astounds me how many boomers are wholly economically illiterate (twitter.com)
posted 245 days ago by Ahaus667 245 days ago by Ahaus667 +120 / -0
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– Kaarous 72 points 245 days ago +72 / -0

The current generations have car payments because you feckless idiots ate the seed corn and have saved/built nothing for your posterity. You sold the economic, cultural and genetic future of the nation up the river for the sake of credit and nonsensical bolshevik lies about "good times" and "equal". Your ancestors look on you in shame, shaking their heads. The future will curse your names once you die. Your very existence is a joke and your deaths will be the punchline.

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– Smith1980 33 points 245 days ago +33 / -0

Also so many people have been taught that it’s the govt’s job to take care of you and so many keep wanting govt to spend more and more

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– MegoThor 14 points 244 days ago +14 / -0

Can’t imagine where people got those crazy ideas (government schools).

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– Euphemism 4 points 244 days ago +4 / -0

As I've said for decades now, if it was happening in another country we'd see it for what it was.

If some 'bad place' took children from their parents before they could reason. Placed them in a government run building for "education" and for 7hrs a day, 5 days a week, ~45 weeks every year, for their entire mental developmental period there they remained under the gov. thumb for 'education'..

And at the end of it, they could barely read, write or do basic arithmetic but DID know all 274354 genders, could shout one-sided political slogans, and had a near 100% political pov uniformity...

We'd all see it as the indoctrination center it is.

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– Greenblatts_4skin 5 points 244 days ago +5 / -0

we can only hope the boomers impact will be but an anomaly in time in the grand scheme of western history

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– BeefyBelisarius 47 points 245 days ago +47 / -0

Guess she doesn't remember cash for clunkers.

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– Ahaus667 [S] 38 points 245 days ago +38 / -0

Or how nearly every car is built to collapse at 100k miles. These arent the builds from the 70s-90s

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– Butttoucha9k 28 points 245 days ago +28 / -0

Actually a lot of cars are built to run for 500k now. The problem is that normal maintenance and repair to achieve it has gone through the roof. Its not a 150 dollar job to replace an alternator anymore. Its 800. Its a thousand dollars for a set of tires. Its 1500 bucks to replace suspension arms. The cost of maintenance if you pay someone else is astronomical and no one does their own work anymore.

We used to repair our own shit. Now we dont, and because we dont the car companies dont take self repair into account when designing these cars, making it even harder to repair, driving the cost of professional repair even higher and the likelihood of self repair even lower.

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– SarcasticRidley 22 points 245 days ago +22 / -0

The cost of maintenance if you pay someone else is astronomical and no one does their own work anymore.

One of the problems with no one doing their own work anymore is that car maintenance is a skill that your father knew, and was taught to him by his father, but he didn't teach it to you.

I get that youtube etc. exists, but it's kind of hard to blame people born after 1990 for this considering that the education system spends more time on the holobunga than it does teaching kids practical skills that they would need to survive.

For example, I'm a car guy, but I have very limited mechanic knowledge. Most of what I know about cars consists of one semester of shop class in high school and some youtube videos on how engines work.

I might have a general idea of how a car works, but I can't accurately diagnose problems that my car has, and even if I could, I don't have the tools to do anything beyond something requiring a socket wrench. If something needs repairing inside my engine, I have to go to my mechanic, and while he's a great guy, he's also almost $200 an hour.

Up until last week I owned two cars, one of them a 90s Miata, and the other a German luxury sedan. The Miata is simple enough that even I can do some repairs on it with the assistance of youtube, but the sedan I basically wouldn't even bother touching. There was basically no room in the engine bay to reach your hand in, and basically every repair beyond an oil change required you to take the whole front of the car off to do anything. It was a nice car when it ran, but i do not miss paying to fix it. I just wish the deer that totaled it had done so about two weeks earlier before I had to pay $900 to replace the starter motor.

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– cccpneveragain 13 points 245 days ago +13 / -0

One huge problem with a lot of them is the latter. It's so common now to have to take half the car apart to do almost anything. I've done a lot of work on modern cars myself and the reality is in a lot of cases you better have a backup car. For an amateur willing to try you're going to be working on the car a week for something that might have taken an amateur half a day on an older car.

The electronics aren't necessarily an undoing like many think. Maybe it's foreign to someone older, but to someone who grew up on this stuff using a dongle and an app to help diagnose isn't the bad part. What then happens is the manufacturers put security in the way to make sure only their approved devices can even do that.

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– userman631 8 points 245 days ago +8 / -0

What then happens is the manufacturers put security in the way to make sure only their approved devices can even do that.

Which is the core reason people complain about electronics. I don't really care how simple something is if it's locked down

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– cccpneveragain 7 points 245 days ago +7 / -0

Yeah, there will end up a right to repair movement on cars if not already. Electronics being VIN-locked behind security, parts availability falling off a cliff, it's all there now.

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– userman631 4 points 244 days ago +4 / -0

Movements don't really matter, at most there will be some ineffectual law passed to placate the masses but without any actual effect.

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– HallucinatoryBeing 13 points 245 days ago +13 / -0

"Man, I hate this car."

Deer: "I got you, fam."

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– Butttoucha9k 9 points 245 days ago +9 / -0

A starter motor replacement takes an hour. The part is 150 bucks. But the mechanic wants to make a living too, and also has ever increasing overheads and subscriptions and etc etc etc. Its not even them being "greedy" necessarily. This is why its very important for you to fix your own car. Dont know how? Grab a Haynes or Chilton manual and go on YouTube and spend the money on tools. If it costs you 600 dollars to have the mechanic do it, or 600 dollars in parts and tools and 3 hours of your time, do it yourself. You are left with a working car and an empty wallet if you pay the mechanic. You are left with a working car, an empty wallet, an expanded skill, more knowledge and experience, and a bag full of tools if you do it yourself.

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– yeldarb1983 3 points 244 days ago +3 / -0

a little trick that still works sometimes: go to an autoparts store and ask if they know anybody who can do repairs relatively cheap. they'll probably charge you a bit more for a royal pain in the ass newer vehicle, but there's usually some farmer or whatever with a side hustle who'll hook you up if you can't do the job yourself.

how i got the engine replaced in my 98 mazda b3000.

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– Ender910 8 points 245 days ago +8 / -0

Part of the problem too is that it's nearly impossible to self repair now because so many cars are built on utilizing proprietary software built into the car's actual operation.

I'm usually not one to gripe about analog vs digital solutions, but in this case it really is rather retarded and insane.

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– Butttoucha9k 6 points 244 days ago +6 / -0

Yes new new cars are definitely getting restrictive af

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– covok48 6 points 245 days ago +6 / -0

I’m not a car person and I don’t feel comfortable doing repairs that might kill me or my family if I do them wrong.

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– Butttoucha9k 9 points 245 days ago +9 / -0

You dont have to be a car person to want to learn how to do something. Putting things in boxes or on pedestals like that is how you get trapped into consumerism and ignorance. A car is no different than plumbing or electricity or farming or making a fire. You have to learn how it works, and then learn how to fix it or make it. The desire to learn is what it missing.

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– yeldarb1983 5 points 244 days ago +5 / -0

like the u/Butttoucha9k said, you have to learn what you're doing.

a big job like an engine? ask around at the autoparts store. some farmer probably has a side hustle and can help you out.

fluids, tires, brakes, lights, alternators, belts, etc? youtube and an autoparts store will give you all the info you need. hell, half the time, one of the guys will help you if it's something simple like a battery or a blown taillight. and I'm not even talking mom and pop. i'm talking oreillys or autozone.

keep in mind, i'm not a car guy at all. i appreciate them immensely, but i'm more familiar with the guts of a computer than the guts of a car, and i still do most of my own maintenance.

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– Butttoucha9k 4 points 244 days ago +4 / -0

The essential ability to build a computer or build a car is the same. Its about wanting to know how it works and trying to figure out how to make it do that thing. Its about the desire to know and the will to do it.

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– yeldarb1983 2 points 239 days ago +2 / -0

Agreed, I'm just saying you don't have to be a gearhead to change your own fluids, especially in the age of the Internet.

Knowledge is easy to come by.

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– BeefyBelisarius 6 points 244 days ago +6 / -0

We used to repair our own shit. Now we dont, and because we dont the car companies dont take self repair into account when designing these cars, making it even harder to repair, driving the cost of professional repair even higher and the likelihood of self repair even lower.

I think the order is the other way around. To increase the profits from people bringing their cars back to the dealership to be worked on, they've been making them harder to work on for a while now.

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– Butttoucha9k 2 points 244 days ago +2 / -0

I dont think its intentional in thay regard. I think its organic from the engineers perspective. They dont think of people fixing their own shit because no one does and that means they dont.

Car companies dont make more money from dealerships or mechanics. They dont care about that. They only care about making the best car to last until the warranty expires.

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– Ahaus667 [S] 47 points 245 days ago +47 / -0

It’s a consistent occurrence, Boomers invented planned obsolescence and somehow didn’t think long term effects would occur, much like mass immigration of the third world, globalization, “liberalism”, etc

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– undecidedmask2 29 points 245 days ago +29 / -0

I think in the back of their minds they knew there would be dire consequences, but who cares if the house of cards collapses after you’re dead? Unfortunately for them, it appears we’ve hit critical mass while most of them have at least a decade left and they spend the last few years of their lives isolated in a nursing home with only foreign employees.

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– ApexVeritas 25 points 245 days ago +25 / -0

Many absolutely know that the chickens are coming home to roost. I've heard many, many older folks say "I'm glad I'm retiring/too old to fight" when confronted with how bad the world has gotten, knowing that it will be younger generations that will need to fight and fix it. They think they'll just be able to sit on their gold piles and die of old age while the conflagration they let spread continues to consume their own progeny and people.

Most older folks have proven, over and over again, to hate their own children. They leave no inheritance, they kick their kids out at 18, they sell their houses instead of gifting them to their children, they tell all their kids (including daughters) to go to college, they don't pass on knowledge or skills, they refuse to acknowledge the massive economic disparities between when they grew up to now, they all want to retire when almost none of their kids will be able to, they embraced globohomo stuff like individualism, judeo-capitalism, keynesian economics, endless money printing, debt based economics, consumerism, Hollywood, feminism, birth control, no fault divorce, drugs, LGBTQ, mainstream media, mainstream history, warhawking all over the planet, sending their own kids to die in far away lands for the benefit of globohomo, open borders, mass non-white immigration, the Kalergi plan, race blindness, egalitarianism, DEI, bolshevism, hedonism, degeneracy of every color, and whatever the TV tells them. And if their own children dare to disagree with any of their brainwashing, or try to explain the realities of the world in any way, they get angry and lash out at their own children, calling us Nazis, fascists, racists, -phobes, bigots, and the like. I know there are some great older folks out there, but the vast majority, in only two generations, have absolutely ruined the entire White Western world, all because they "got theirs", and fuck everyone else, including their own children.

I normally try to dissuade inter group fighting among White folk, but of the older generations, they absolutely deserve a lot of scorn, given how bad they've let their own nations become, under their watch. This comes with the caveat that they're also the most propagandized generation, because globohomo had a monopoly of control on information sharing while they were growing up, through school, history, and the news. They didn't have the internet. We do, which has allowed us to circumvent the lies. But, the excuse for them grows increasingly thin as the world gets worse, as the lies become increasingly apparent, and as time goes on, as truthful alternative information sharing mediums exist, so too does their culpability and guilt grow, as they continue to feign ignorance when they could be searching for and learning the truth. Instead, most would rather just watch the TV.

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– covok48 15 points 245 days ago +15 / -0

This absolutely are my Boomer parents in a nutshell.

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– milkcowhplus 13 points 244 days ago +13 / -0

This is so on the nose (no pun intended) in my experience. All of my friends had boomer parents, and the level of callous disregard these parents had for my friends was off the charts - nickel and diming the kids on everything while spending shitloads of money on corvettes or motorcycles or whatever, fucking off and doing irresponsible shit while leaving the kids to fend for themselves, you name it. I grew up with old school European immigrant war baby parents, and while they were psychotic in their own way, they would fucking kill themselves before they ever neglected their basic parental duties, or before they ever let me want for anything, and it’s not because they had infinite money - it’s because they ate shit so that they could make my life easier, at least in a material sense.

It continues to this day - I now make 6-7 figures a year, and even still, whenever I visit my dad (retired factory worker), he stuffs wads of $100 bills in my pocket and gets pissed off if I object.

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– undecidedmask2 8 points 245 days ago +8 / -0

Yep. Ignorance isn’t an excuse anymore.

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– AntonioOfVenice 18 points 245 days ago +18 / -0

Après moi, le déluge.

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– PM-Melania-feet-pics 2 points 244 days ago +2 / -0

Good. Let them be used as punching bags by the violent apes they imported. I hope they all have to go to DEI facilities where all the staff used AI to pass their exams.

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– AlfredicEnglishRules 12 points 245 days ago +12 / -0

They didn't understand that they were planned for obsolescence

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– ApathySK 35 points 245 days ago +35 / -0

Obama cash for clunkers got rid of all the beaters

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– deleted 8 points 244 days ago +8 / -0
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– dagthegnome 32 points 245 days ago +32 / -0

Actually taking the trouble to understand economics would make it impossible to avoid acknowledging the reality that they're largely responsible for fucking everything up.

Boomers survive on cognitive dissonance. They couldn't live with themselves otherwise.

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– Sneak_King 16 points 245 days ago +16 / -0

I'd phrase it as "boomers survive on narcissism. They cannot be in the wrong."

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– Sneak_King 31 points 245 days ago +31 / -0

My parents have no concept of a "market," despite holding degrees. I've been trying to help them get rid of their crap. They are spending money on a storage unit to keep 25 year old department store furniture because they want to sell it for what they paid for it, and can't find a buyer.

I've resigned myself to making a huge pyre of their worldly goods after they die.

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– HallucinatoryBeing 17 points 245 days ago +17 / -0

Are they unaware of depreciation? Not everything is an investment, least of all furniture that goes out of style.

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– Kaarous 25 points 245 days ago +25 / -0

Boomers are not only unaware of depreciation, most of them also cannot wrap their heads around a sunken cost fallacy.

They are somehow the perfect intersection of wasteful cheapskates.

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– HallucinatoryBeing 13 points 245 days ago +13 / -0

Boomers are not only unaware of depreciation, most of them also cannot wrap their heads around a sunken cost fallacy.

Or opportunity cost. They would've been further ahead giving the furniture away, rather than paying monthly rent on a storage unit waiting for a unicorn to buy that shit at MSRP (in 2025 dollars, not 2000 dollars) just to "break even."

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– Sneak_King 9 points 245 days ago +9 / -0

I've explicitly laid that out. Even appealed to their selfishness with a vague "if you donate enough in one year, it might be worth some kind of tax write-off." No luck. Dad understands depreciation just fine when it comes to vehicles. But when it comes to indoor things, they have this child-like notion of an objective, true value.

They need to spend a couple weeks watching an MMO's auction house.

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– HallucinatoryBeing 8 points 244 days ago +8 / -0

But when it comes to indoor things, they have this child-like notion of an objective, true value.

Oh no, they believe in Labor Theory of Value.

They need to spend a couple weeks watching an MMO's auction house.

Or an estate sale, like u/Benevolentdictator mentioned. Tell them it'll be their shit sitting in the rain when their time comes.

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– Benevolentdictator 13 points 245 days ago +13 / -0

Some of the most painful parts are the repetitive pointless stories about the purchase of said items that are triggered whenever the possessions are mentioned, thwarting any attempts at being pragmatic.

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– HallucinatoryBeing 14 points 245 days ago +14 / -0

It's a good lesson on why value is subjective. No one will buy his parents' shitty furniture, especially not at MSRP, because there's no emotional connection.

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– Benevolentdictator 7 points 245 days ago +7 / -0

This past weekend I drove by a frontyard with a collection of estate furniture as OP described left out & being ruined by the rain.

Valued so little by everyone that even the thousands of cars driving passed couldn't be bothered to stop & vulture any of the pieces.

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– WhoIsThatMaskedMan 9 points 244 days ago +9 / -0

Happens all the time where I live. Really nice, vintage stuff just being left to rot. Well made, solid wood pieces that could probably survive another 500 years. Nobody wants it. Everyone wants Ikea shit that's gonna fall apart in ten years because they don't have to do anything crazy like leave their houses to acquire it.

Half my house is furnished for free out of things that cost someone $1500 30 years ago but is now worth nothing.

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– userman631 7 points 244 days ago +7 / -0

Everyone wants Ikea shit that's gonna fall apart in ten years because they don't have to do anything crazy like leave their houses to acquire it.

Well that and the lack of space and difficulty of moving. What makes you think they'll even be living in the same place in ten years for it to matter? Heavy furniture is for those with the luxury of feeling stable in their housing situation, but demographic change, unstable job markets and many people renting rather than owning the benefits of having something small and easy to move outweigh the benefits of having something well built and nice looking.

Half my house is furnished for free out of things that cost someone $1500 30 years ago but is now worth nothing.

And how long do you think you could realistically end up staying in that house? Probably a fair while if not your whole life right? You weren't considering the possibility of having to move in the next couple years when you bought them were you?

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– userman631 4 points 245 days ago +4 / -0

They are spending money on a storage unit to keep 25 year old department store furniture because they want to sell it for what they paid for it, and can't find a buyer.

I'm halfway surprised by that. I figured the dollar would depreciate more in value over 25 years than the furniture would. Is it in half decent shape?

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– Adamrises 5 points 244 days ago +5 / -0

Furniture is literally given away regularly, or at bargain bin prices at every thrift store or even landfill if you catch it right. It might be worse quality but its also probably a difference of 50$ versus their emotionally attached value of hundreds to thousands.

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– Sneak_King 5 points 244 days ago +5 / -0

It's in fine condition, but it's not even moderately high end. The only value is in the fact that it's real wood. And it looks like department store furniture.

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– yeldarb1983 2 points 244 days ago +2 / -0

a little diy might help.

strip the old varnish/veneer and refinish, give it a new look. if the bed's a four-poster (not likely, but who knows?) maybe get/make new post tops.

You could at least make it into something worth a second glance.

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– LibertyPrimeWasRight 3 points 245 days ago +3 / -0

I would assume it's out of style.

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– Butttoucha9k 4 points 245 days ago +4 / -0

What kind of furniture? Pics or gtfo

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– Sneak_King 5 points 244 days ago +5 / -0

You don't want this, brother. An unholy bed frame / dresser combo.

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– yeldarb1983 2 points 244 days ago +2 / -0

i'm afraid to ask, but are we talking real wood stuff or particle board crap?

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– Sneak_King 2 points 244 days ago +2 / -0

Most of it is real wood pieces, just kind of tasteless and utilitarian looking.

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– yeldarb1983 1 point 239 days ago +1 / -0

Ah. Needs a little style added to it then lol

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– CaptainTrouble 25 points 245 days ago +25 / -0

Boomers: We must implement more government regulations to save the planet from climate change.

Also Boomers: Why aren't young people buying cheap beaters?

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– cccpneveragain 18 points 245 days ago +18 / -0

I actually just saw this discussion first hand. I was with my cousin and one of his friends. His friend is approaching 16, already has his license, and saved $5000 over the years not blowing his gifts and such on stupid Fortnite and Roblox shit. We were talking about just that, cars he could get for that. The answer is sad, good luck basically. Yet my 2nd car I bought for $3000 that money adjusted generally for inflation is around that $5000 today. I put 100k miles on that car without much issue.

So yeah, this kid that is everything the boomers would ask for, one of the most head-on-straight, respectful, and common sense having teenagers I think I've ever met, and he can't really get a car on his own despite doing things right.

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– userman631 7 points 245 days ago +7 / -0

Wait until it comes time for him to enter the job market or move out.

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– cccpneveragain 5 points 245 days ago +5 / -0

Yeah, I don't doubt it, and I don't really relish sitting on the sidelines laughing at them. I've given these kids a lot of my time. Everyone loves to hate them and of course there's a huge share that earn it. There's also a bunch that aren't all that bad and don't buy into all the crap, or at least try. But how do you even advise them on how to have a good future anymore?

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– userman631 8 points 244 days ago +8 / -0

I've given up on a good future, even beyond the economic aspect the demographic and societal aspects makes it effectively impossible.

Even as someone who is and has always been very forward looking and averse to hedonistic living I'm at the point where my genuine advice is just try to enjoy life while you can, don't bother chasing prosperity that will never come and just try to scrape by on as little effort as possible and use the remaining time to enjoy life in whatever way you can.

Honestly living like a degenerate is more likely to get yourself somewhere in life than trying to get ahead in life on hard work alone. Connections are the most important thing you can have and I missed out on being able to make any due to my frugal and sheltered life.

If he wants to fight then he needs to actually fight not work towards a better future, because there is no better future, only hedonism now and die struggling later or struggle now and die struggling later or fight now and get death within the hour.

It sounds defeatist but that's because we effectively are defeated

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– Stagecoach 17 points 245 days ago +17 / -0

Ehhh while it is harder to buy things today, it's a bit exaggerated to say you need to spend over 20k to get a drive-able car. You can still find a beater from a private seller for 1-2k, or if you insist on buying from a dealership, you could get a decent car for around 10k.

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– Ahaus667 [S] 34 points 245 days ago +34 / -0

Beaters often cost another 6-7k in maintenance just to run three more years. Planned obsolescence has been standard in car manufacturing for 20 years now.

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– Stagecoach 14 points 245 days ago +14 / -0

That's true. Unless you're doing DIY repairs with junkyard parts then maintaining a beater doesn't really work out in the long-term.

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– current_horror 18 points 245 days ago +18 / -0

Doing my own car maintenance? In my garage? Attached to the home I bought for 75k in 1983?

Boomers are the worst generation in history, and it’s not close.

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– Benevolentdictator 13 points 245 days ago +13 / -0

A lot harder to do even basic vehicle maintenance when you live in an apartment.

That's even assuming your building provides parking.

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– dixontic 7 points 245 days ago +7 / -0

See comment my comment below. Having a cheap car means you need to have a place to fix that car/store tools/etc.

The more I think about it, a cheap car in working order is more of a luxury/flex than it looks to be on the surface.

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– yeldarb1983 1 point 244 days ago +1 / -0

unironically, my truck is my toolbox... whatever fits in the steel box behind the seat goes in there, everything else gets tossed back there however i can fit it.

cant find shit otherwise, lol.

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– dixontic 10 points 245 days ago +10 / -0

6-7k in maintenance just to run three more years.

Depends on the beater car. If you go the cheap car route, you'll need two cars, because one car will just stop working every once in a while and you'll still need something to drive while it's being repaired, even if you're the person doing the repairs.

While tools aren't expensive, you'll at least need a garage/someplace to work and the time to diagnose and work on whatever car isn't working. Depending on what's happening in your life, that might not be possible. The canbus code readers make finding problems so much easier, cars now are much easier to diagnose and fix than ever.

I've gone the beater route for cars to save money and spent far less than new(er). You can fix most problems with a cheap car, it comes down to having the time to do the work, a place to wrench on your car and having a spare car for when rockauto needs 10 days to deliver your parts.

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– MassivePecorino 4 points 244 days ago +4 / -0

That's if the parts you buy are a) the right parts and b) last. Just put a whole new front end under my truck. Dealer's parts guy told me that if the parts failed in the first 10k miles, they'd replace them free. The parts they replaced had over 100k miles on them. Still took them three tries to get me the right wheel bearings.

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– ianpatrick1966 2 points 245 days ago +2 / -0

No they don’t

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– Ahaus667 [S] 5 points 245 days ago +5 / -0

Yes, they do. If you can find a 1k beater that would last 3 years without thousands in repairs you are in a unicorn market. Most beaters that actually run are at least 5k today.

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– ianpatrick1966 2 points 245 days ago +2 / -0

Learn how to fix it yourself you lazy piece of shit

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– Ahaus667 [S] 6 points 245 days ago +6 / -0

😂😂😂😂 you don’t even know how cars are designed anymore do you? This is such hilarious boomerisms. Tell you what, let’s take a 2005 Toyota Camry, how many tools do you need for it?

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– nikgtasa 2 points 245 days ago +2 / -0

An hammer.

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– cccpneveragain 5 points 245 days ago +5 / -0

Clarkson!

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– RadiateTonight 15 points 245 days ago +15 / -0

There's youtubers putting out videos claiming car makers are using modern tech to design cars to be even more disposable compared to last decades cars so the situations becoming much worse.

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– userman631 5 points 245 days ago +5 / -0

Well when everything is locked down with DRM and everything has to meet strict regulations to be street legal manufacturers can essentially decide to make a line of cars unserviceable.

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– Butttoucha9k 9 points 245 days ago +9 / -0

The average beater is 4500 now.

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– That_Which_Lurks 7 points 245 days ago +7 / -0

And the average new car is 45,000 now.

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– Butttoucha9k 9 points 245 days ago +9 / -0

Yep. Crazy. Thats what the people complaining about younger generations paid for their house.

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– Stagecoach 2 points 245 days ago +2 / -0

Is it? I'll admit it's been a while since I bought one but I can still find listings for 1-2k in my area.

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– Butttoucha9k 7 points 245 days ago +7 / -0

A car that doesnt require 2k worth of fixes to be drivable is between 3500 and 4500 average now. They destroyed most of the old beaters with cash for clunkers, and the cars that were good at running without maintenance are aging out. The cost of the market has risen because EVERYONE is seeking those 2500 dollar deals so wheb they hit they are gone, and because new cars are so bad they hold on to them.

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– SarcasticRidley 8 points 245 days ago +8 / -0

You can still find a beater from a private seller for 1-2k,

My 32 year old car with 180k miles on it would go for double or even triple that on the used market, and it's not a rare car.

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– Niemo 6 points 245 days ago +6 / -0

In my area every used car has been snapped up by Arabs and central Asian immigrants and is being resold.

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– MartinRigggs 15 points 245 days ago +15 / -0

We don’t have cheap used cars anymore because of the “cash for clunkers” program Obama instituted. Obama wiped out decades of used cars and parts that were readily available before that program, thus, when the supply shrunk down to a fraction of what it had been 15 years ago, used car prices skyrocketed, and parts to fix those cars skyrocketed in price.

I’m not placing blame on Obama per se, it would’ve happened if a Republican was president too, because that’s how it works….whatever the oligarch j’ws want, they get. There will always be just enough people in Congress who vote for what the oligarchs want regardless of who controls house, senate and the executive branch.

Like voting rights for women and blacks, forced integration and the civil rights act, the Hart Cellar act/demographic shift, NAFTA, the patriot act, the wars since 2001 etc….the majority opposed all of those things and they happened anyway. It doesn’t matter how the people feel about these things, it’s all predetermined and meant to spread out the blame for why these policies happened, so we blame one party or the other, or we blame these few corrupt reps for nothing getting fixed. The truth is those policies are coming whether you like it or not, but they can’t have you understanding it’s all predetermined, because you would revolt and forcefully replace a system that doesn't represent your interests. plus the voting system gives them the benefit of divide and conquer.

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– userman631 6 points 245 days ago +6 / -0

What you just described is the reason I view democracies to be the crueler system to live under than dictatorship.

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– FuckYourBullshit 13 points 245 days ago +13 / -0

Why dont people have 'beaters'

Blame Obama.

I'm serious. The Cash 4 Clunkers or, Car Allowance Rebate System, that he passed as law in 2009. Took millions of driveable, older vehicles off the road giving people a few thousand dollars to spend on a new vehicle. So people gave up cars without payments for newer vehicles that did have payments, had to be serviced more frequently because of more crap added that old cars didnt have and would have parts regularly stop being produced.

All those cars left the second hand market and created a vacuum where those would have been starter cars for teens or Point A to B cars for early twenties workers now they didnt have that option so a dealership became the only choice for many people.

Instead of giving your neigh a grand or two for the car, now they got a downpayment and a loan.

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– TooStoopid 10 points 245 days ago +10 / -0

Because they lived on easy mode on the backs of our future.

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– Benevolentdictator 5 points 244 days ago +5 / -0

My grandmother (technically Silent Generation) constantly humblebrags that she doesn't even want/need the vote-buying seniors' cheques that politicians constantly send her.

While simultaneously refusing to pay her unemployed White great grandchildren that are maintaining her property for her & keeping her in her home.

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– PM-Melania-feet-pics 3 points 244 days ago +3 / -0

Sounds like it's well past time for her to take a short trip down a long flight of stairs.

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– PM-Melania-feet-pics 1 point 244 days ago +1 / -0

We are the children they sacrificed to Moloch.

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– covok48 9 points 245 days ago +9 / -0

Boomers don’t care. They don’t even like their own children and grandchildren. All they care about now is dying before things get really bad.

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– Benevolentdictator 9 points 244 days ago +9 / -0

Well, they also love cruises, Florida/Arizona & slot machines.

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– PM-Melania-feet-pics 1 point 244 days ago +1 / -0

Paradoxically they also want to live as long as possible, maybe because they know nothing good awaits in their afterlives.

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– ThreeLights 8 points 245 days ago +8 / -0

Every time a story pops up that a car’s onboard caused an involuntary acceleration, another “glitch” that causes a car to stop in the freeway, or a massive recall because an update bricked thousands of cars causes people to drop 35k for a used clunker.

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– verylargebrain 5 points 244 days ago +5 / -0

People with money buy the beaters and gouge them like everything else. And boomers will insist their beater is totally a classic and worth 30k despite being unable to move out of the driveway for the last decade.

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– ketobikerdude 3 points 245 days ago +3 / -0

Climate Change 😁⭐!

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– yeldarb1983 2 points 244 days ago +2 / -0

not so much economically illerate as historically.

i give you the answer to this problem.

ladies and gentlemen, cash for clunkers

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– pbarnett865 2 points 245 days ago +2 / -0

I still drive $1000 cars. Quit letting people coerce you into debt

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– Niemo 11 points 245 days ago +11 / -0

My cheap Toyota SUV has cost thousands in repairs the past two years. Every single part is expensive and labor is more so. And I don't have a garage with thousands and thousands worth of tools to diy on top of diy everything else that I have to diy without help to keep the lights on.

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– m0r1arty 2 points 245 days ago +2 / -0

Walking is an option too!

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– userman631 35 points 245 days ago +35 / -0

"Just run a marathon daily"

Thanks for the advice.

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– PM-Melania-feet-pics 1 point 244 days ago +1 / -0

I mean, Andrew Tate does...

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– Sneak_King 25 points 245 days ago +25 / -0

Walking leads to public transport leads to niggers. Buy a car, keep niggers away.

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– Benevolentdictator 9 points 245 days ago +9 / -0

Realistically living somewhere where one can get by without a vehicle essentially guarantees one is doomed to a diverse bughive.

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– ianpatrick1966 2 points 245 days ago +2 / -0

It astounds me how zoomers can pay coffee every day at $12 digital cable with Netflix and Amazon prime and Hulu at $15 a month each and cell phone with unlimited internet and not understand why they’re broke.

Us boomers saved every fucking penny we we earned to get ahead your generation pisses money away and gets mad at your betters

Get fucked gen z 🖕🖕🖕

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– SarcasticRidley 16 points 245 days ago +16 / -0

ian patrick 1966

I'll bet that's your real name and birth year.

It astounds me how zoomers can pay coffee every day at $12 digital cable with Netflix and Amazon prime and Hulu at $15 a month each and cell phone with unlimited internet and not understand why they’re broke.

All of that is less than what you boomer retards pay for cable.

Us boomers saved every fucking penny we we earned to get ahead your generation pisses money away and gets mad at your betters

Your generation didn't have an army of millions of third world gutter bloods being paid by the government to prevent white kids from being able to get jobs, nor did your generation have near-hyperinflation to deal with at our age. You had the least strenuous existence in the history of mankind and you think you are special because your outcomes were predictably good. You aren't special, you were just lucky, and instead of using your good fortune to pass down to your children, you hoard it for yourself, preferring to blow it at a casino rather than help your own kid out when he's in trouble.

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– ianpatrick1966 2 points 245 days ago +2 / -0

I have rabbit ears for my tv ya zoomer piece of shit

And of course that’s my name and birthday, looks like the best part of you oozed down your mammas leg

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– SarcasticRidley 14 points 245 days ago +14 / -0

I have rabbit ears for my tv ya zoomer piece of shit

I'm not a zoomer you genetic waste product

And of course that’s my name and birthday

One, you're retarded for posting your real name on a forum, two that's not a birthday, that's the year you were born, unless you were so fucking fat that it took a whole year for you to be hydraulically pressed out of your mothers cunt.

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– covok48 8 points 245 days ago +8 / -0

Not a Boomer, just a Gen z fag pretending to be a Boomer.

But I must admit, you were doing a very good job at it.

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– WEFFaggotsMustDie 3 points 244 days ago +3 / -0

Nah, check his earliest posts - he calls himself a boomer about 2 - 3 years ago. That's either long term commitment or just pure pants-shitting retardation.

If his OPSEC is literally his handle, and the first sub he posted to was c/Iowa, any semi-cognizant retard could send him dogshit/free qurans/free pizzas by this evening.

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– Butttoucha9k 12 points 245 days ago +12 / -0

Tell me, how did you save? What did you save? What were you given? What did you have or not have that others did?

You understand that in 1970 the dollar was worth about 15 times What it is now, right? So if you made 2 dollars an hour, that's the equivalent of 30 bucks an hour now.

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– userman631 10 points 245 days ago +10 / -0

Fuck off faggot. Nobody spends $12 per day on coffee and a bit of money saved on a phone bill is a drop in the bucket compared to costs of living.

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– ianpatrick1966 2 points 245 days ago +2 / -0

Poor person logic.

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– userman631 8 points 245 days ago +8 / -0

I'm sure I'd be a millionaire if only I denied myself even the smallest of luxuries such as ability to interface with the world.

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– AgnosticTemplar 8 points 245 days ago +8 / -0

Both your generations are insufferable.

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– Niemo 6 points 245 days ago +6 / -0

Weak sauce troll bait

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– LuvTheSmellofFreedom 1 point 245 days ago +1 / -0

Nothing Margot says is outdated if you don't want car payments. If you insist on living above your means. Then don't complain that you can't possibly buy a car outright cause "status". Earn Status, save then with PORTION of your cash, buy they car you like. (bitchin about saving? Learn to make more money doing something else.)

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– Ahaus667 [S] 30 points 245 days ago +30 / -0

Boomer brain detected. Tell me, what’s the difference between the used car market today and 20 years ago? Did planned obsolescence disappear? Where are the cars lasting 30 years and 300k miles with good maintenance today? Did the supply of cars meet demand or has there been intentional scarcity? How did Covid, cash for clunkers, and mass immigration impact price point?

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– Unknownsailor 2 points 245 days ago +2 / -0

I plugged the following details into autotrader.com: Toyota - any make Max price: $3k Within 50 miles of 98310

Got 13 matches, anywhere from $1999 for a Camry, to $3k for a Prius. Yes, they are all high mileage cars, but they are all 2000-2010 model years, which have cheap parts, are easier to fix, and cheap to insure.

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– Ahaus667 [S] 4 points 245 days ago +4 / -0

Yes, they are all high mileage cars, but they are all 2000-2010 model years, which have cheap parts, are easier to fix, and cheap to insure.

If it’s a 2000s car over 150k miles it’s a planned obsolescence money pit.

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– LuvTheSmellofFreedom 1 point 245 days ago +1 / -0

Pattern detected! Until you focus on what you CAN do and not what bothers you. You will have problems you can blame on everybody and everything else.

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– Ahaus667 [S] 6 points 245 days ago +6 / -0

“Make bad investments because doing this worked 40 years ago when the market was entirely different”

Tell you what, prove me wrong. Buy a thousand dollar car and make it three years with only oil changes and basic upkeep. I’ll wait for you to show me what you CAN do!

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– Niemo 3 points 245 days ago +3 / -0

Mmm I'm sure they won't just cost another 5k in parts and labor within the year.

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– WEFFaggotsMustDie 1 point 244 days ago +1 / -0

easier to fix

Bullshit, especially for non-100% gas cars like the Prius. You've got computers instead of carbs. Alloys instead of steelies, which are more expensive to maintain and replace. Unique headlights as opposed to sealed beam units you could buy at garages.

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– LuvTheSmellofFreedom 1 point 245 days ago +1 / -0
  1. Not a boomer, sorry, its common sense though. Go to a car lot, get a used car you can afford. It might be $1000 or even less. spend your money on keeping it running instead of monthly payments. Work at a job that makes more money or better yet your own business on the side. Get better car. Get a mentor. Don't repeat mistakes someone else already made and set them back years. TO your other questions... 2. not much, I paid $300 for my 1st car and I could do it again today if I was 15 yo and working. 3) No, but not all cars posses planned obsolescence. 4) buy older model Toyotas, Hondas or similar in great shape from old people. 5) supply/demand is nothing you can control in the macro. In the micro, where you live, find a car for sale with a lot of similar cars like it also for sale. Then negotiate down. 6) Bitching about the past doesn't change price point. Do what you can do and vote accordingly so the future doesn't arrive with regrets.
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– userman631 8 points 245 days ago +8 / -0

spend your money on keeping it running instead of monthly payments

and then while your car is being worked on you can spend as much as you make just paying for transit so you can keep your job. There is no winning.

Work at a job that makes more money or better yet your own business on the side

Only two points in and we're already at "pull yourself up by your bootstraps and just make more money"

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– Ahaus667 [S] 8 points 245 days ago +8 / -0

The fact you think you car lots sell used cars for under 1k means you don’t live in reality. I got a very cheap car in 08 for 2k a beater that would last under a year was 400-500 then. Those beaters are 2k now.

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– LuvTheSmellofFreedom 1 point 245 days ago +1 / -0

When did I mention car lots? You do need a mentor, in many things.

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– Niemo 6 points 245 days ago +6 / -0

You mentioned a car lot in your second sentence lol

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– Ahaus667 [S] 5 points 245 days ago +5 / -0

Not a boomer, sorry, its common sense though. Go to a car lot, get a used car you can afford.

You need to go back to the nursing home

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– Niemo 3 points 245 days ago +3 / -0

Get a mentor. Nah boomer dudes are too busy chasing pussy and being selfish IMO. Just read this thread.

Young people just don't care anymore. That's why our country is collapsing. Nobody is going to work to take care of old people anymore, roll your dice and take your chances with a foreign care aide I guess.

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– userman631 2 points 245 days ago +2 / -0

Young people just don't care anymore

Young white men have less reason to care about anything than a deathrow inmate in prison. At least the latter has hope of a reduced sentence, whereas the path we're on is certain. We have no future. At this point I just want things to burn and blood to flow, at least then it would be a change of pace.

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– userman631 7 points 245 days ago +7 / -0

"Just make more money and stop complaining"

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– LuvTheSmellofFreedom 1 point 245 days ago +1 / -0

Ironically, you said it, but don't believe it.

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– userman631 7 points 245 days ago +7 / -0

Because it's retarded. Ability to make money is entirely based on the opportunities you're given.

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– LuvTheSmellofFreedom 1 point 245 days ago +1 / -0

Wrong. The most successful in anything, directing movies to billionaire stuff, MADE opportunities. That is why they succeed. you can do it coding, or selling online, or see an op at work. If you wait for something to be given to you, its too late, or its mediocre at best.

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– userman631 6 points 245 days ago +6 / -0

You've really drank the koolaid haven't you? Nobody gets anything without connections.

you can do it coding

I'm sure that I'll get rich competing with people asking for third world pay for a very limited number of specialized jobs.

selling online

Selling what to who? Without start up capital that's not an option and there's no way to compete as an unknown in an already heavily established market.

see an op at work

That won't lead to more income, just being seen as the guy who's already doing the work of a higher pay grade for a discount price.

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– LuvTheSmellofFreedom 1 point 241 days ago +1 / -0

Everything you say tells me you never researched how anything gets done. Just assumptions that it wont work for you. Which is true. It won't work FOR YOU. So You are right in a sense.

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– userman631 1 point 241 days ago +1 / -0

I have more understanding of how things get done than most people, doesn't mean I can't succeed though. Hell I've got innovative ideas that would change the face of space based warfare before it has even launched and yet I'm reduced to metaphorical floor scrubbing.

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– Ahaus667 [S] 4 points 245 days ago +4 / -0

Wow! Such great logic, tell me, if everyone “created opportunities” what would happen?

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– userman631 4 points 245 days ago +4 / -0

Everyone would be the head up a multitrillion dollar company obviously and goods and services would simply materialize as needed.

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