One huge problem with a lot of them is the latter. It's so common now to have to take half the car apart to do almost anything. I've done a lot of work on modern cars myself and the reality is in a lot of cases you better have a backup car. For an amateur willing to try you're going to be working on the car a week for something that might have taken an amateur half a day on an older car.
The electronics aren't necessarily an undoing like many think. Maybe it's foreign to someone older, but to someone who grew up on this stuff using a dongle and an app to help diagnose isn't the bad part. What then happens is the manufacturers put security in the way to make sure only their approved devices can even do that.
Yeah, there will end up a right to repair movement on cars if not already. Electronics being VIN-locked behind security, parts availability falling off a cliff, it's all there now.
Yep, and if enough people get angry and decide "F-this, lets make our own car, something inexpensive, reliable and easily maintained"... the same gov. will shut it down over lack of this, that or the other 'safety/security' thing which is the entire issue with the current vehicles.
One huge problem with a lot of them is the latter. It's so common now to have to take half the car apart to do almost anything. I've done a lot of work on modern cars myself and the reality is in a lot of cases you better have a backup car. For an amateur willing to try you're going to be working on the car a week for something that might have taken an amateur half a day on an older car.
The electronics aren't necessarily an undoing like many think. Maybe it's foreign to someone older, but to someone who grew up on this stuff using a dongle and an app to help diagnose isn't the bad part. What then happens is the manufacturers put security in the way to make sure only their approved devices can even do that.
Which is the core reason people complain about electronics. I don't really care how simple something is if it's locked down
Yeah, there will end up a right to repair movement on cars if not already. Electronics being VIN-locked behind security, parts availability falling off a cliff, it's all there now.
Movements don't really matter, at most there will be some ineffectual law passed to placate the masses but without any actual effect.
Yep, and if enough people get angry and decide "F-this, lets make our own car, something inexpensive, reliable and easily maintained"... the same gov. will shut it down over lack of this, that or the other 'safety/security' thing which is the entire issue with the current vehicles.