Hitler got inspired by the swastika from his Catholic school he attended. I believe I learned this from Europa the Last Battle or the Greatest Story Never Told.
This is actually the origin of the "kike" slur. When Jewish immigrants got off the boat at Ellis Island back in the day, they had to take a citizenship test, and part of the test involved questions like "draw a + through the third word of this sentence" to show they understood sentence structure in English. The Jews instead would always circle the correct answer. When asked "what is this?" their answer was "kikel", the yiddish word for circle. It was their culture to never draw a + sign because it resembled a Christian cross. Obviously the mostly Christian US workers at Ellis Island back then got the lore behind this and weren't real happy about the diss, and started talking about Jewish immigrants in the vein of "oh boy, we got another boatload of kikels in today..." And the term eventually got shortened to "kike" as a reference to these stuck up Jews who hated Christians so much.
There was a comedy movie where this was a literal gag. The priest pulls out a crucifix on the vampire and the vampire laughs, and says "Hah! My mother was jewish! You have no power over me with that!" And the priest fumbles around in his bag for a second and pulls out a swastika, and yells "Oh yeah? Well hail Hitler!" and the vampire hisses violently and runs away.
This is so stupid it hurts. There's a lot of shapes more complex than a cross. Heck, a sword is a cross. Can they just not get near a dude with a sword? A three dimensional corner is more complex, can they not go inside buildings? Windows are more complex, and often have crosses in them? Can they not go inside or outside houses, without risking freezing up if they see a window?
I like the version in things like Dresden Files and Monster Hunter International; it's Faith itself that they can't stand. It doesn't even have to be Christian faith, anyone with a strong belief system can use that faith to ward off vampires. Crosses are one of the more common symbols of faith, but you can pour power into whatever symbol you believe in to drive away undead.
That explanation isn't even internally consistent.
Shhh, shhh. The important thing is that Jesus isn't real, faith sucks, morality sucks, and we should all just be nihilistic little slaves.
To be fair, I think they had to do it this way, or their own writers would be repelled by the power of faith, even in fiction. They'd start shaking and speaking in tongues and stuff.
Yup, and it's just like how they're largely incapable of writing the good guys as the good guys, and the bad guys as the bad guys. Their villains always come off as cool, and their good guys as insufferable bullies and busybodies.
Also, I'd never thought about it, but what's the 'wood' symbolism? I get why faith and purity/cleansing hurt them, and why they have issues with homes, but what is wood to them?
It's also a foil to the vampire as petrified vs the wood isn't.
Essentially its a natural symbol in opposition to the unnatural. A Living weapon against a dead adversary.
Oh plus building and civilization. Wood represents industriousness and construction in opposition to cold stagnation through houses and Fire. The Vampire is cold and lives in stone castles or caves. He's a wild predator Associated with Bats (caves again) and wolves. A vampire living in a log cabin sounds strange, but a stone house in the woods makes sense.
It's sort of a reverse of the Fae vs Iron symbol which is based around the same thing, the natural is directly opposed by the constructed or altered.
And they won't be able to even approach a building with any sort of grid pattern on the windows. The lines on brick and stone buildings should also repel them.
That has more precedent - in both Eastern and Western folklore there's a belief that a vampire was compelled to count and could be distracted by scattered seeds or a bag of rice.
Obsessive compulsive counting is a lot more believable than being confused by intersecting lines. By that show's "logic", # should make vampire heads explode.
If you're curious to see what 'the people' think, here's a version with comments on. It's not much better, people are still acting like this is insanely clever (even though it's the worst possible execution of a potentially interesting concept), but at least there's some pushback.
I don't even get it, make it holy symbols wielded or placed by people with faith, doesn't have to be Christian. In some lore like VTM they have people with true faith for example that do damage to vampire by their faith, doesn't mention it has to be Christianity (though it makes the most sense what with vampire lore originating in Christian countries).
They should have explained that this specific shape creates an optical illusion for vampires and some idea of what it looks like - that they can't tell where the sword is, or it appears much larger, or it shimmers like it's magic or such as.
It's a cartoon they could even show it to the viewer so we could say "holy shit that would scare me if I was a vampire".
Jesus. The animation is jerky, the voice acting is mediocre, and the dialog is horrible. I knew this show was considered bad, especially by actual Castlevania fans, but I never knew it was this bad.
The first 4 episode season was solid, the second season was watchable as long as you skip every single scene where a woman who isn't Lenore is talking or where the heroes are sitting in a library not killing anything, and by the fourth season every single plot in 15th century Romania revolves around black people, lesbians, or black lesbians.
Didn't they have Alucard raped by some gay people and he's also gay now? I seem to remember some hubbub about it. That instantly turned me off of this show.
As someone else said elsewhere, this was classic Netflix IP infiltration; the first season was decent, and then it went downhill from there. So if you watched some Netflixvania, but not the whole thing, seeing stuff from the later seasons seems even worse and more jarring.
I remember enjoying season 1, season 2 was already getting SJW-y, and I don't think I finished. Season 3 I never watched, but from the reactions was already pretty gay, and season 4 seems to have gone full retard.
The idea of a Vampire is very interesting. It offers immortality and a bunch of other powers but at the cost of eternal torment. You can even go further as it is in itself a temptation beyond your control and there is a level of desire to give in to the pleasure of being a vampire.
A vampire curse is a romanticization of uncontrollable urges in humans and how they can doom us to eternal damnation.
Remove the downside of being a vampire, the eternal punishment that will inevitably come and vampires are just marvel type characters with superpowers, vulnerabilities and an origin story.
I thought John Carpenter's Vampires was one of the best depictions of this. Eventually they just succumb to being monsters in flesh suits, completely taking over by the depravity for feasting. The degradation and eventual complete loss of humanity was depicted so well. It's a shame that movie never got a proper sequel.
vtm was always good in its understanding of Vampirism.
There are no noble vampires because the noble ones walk into the sun.
The rest are in a range of evil dastardly to begin with, or ar best a "monster I am lest the monster I become"
You give them a lust that WILL kill somebody if they lose control, and then they get immortality so thay they have infinite chances to lose control. Eventually you will. So if you haven't already staked yourself you'll permit little sins to stave off the true disaster.
The problem is you also have infinite time for you sins to grow. And what uou allow builds on itself.
Twilight made it very mainstream. IMHO the sexy part is fine if the monster part is still present. They're supposed to be alluring to prey on people. Twilight forgot all the downsides of vampires and more glorified it. Vampires are monsters and that part is entirely forgotten when you put some self insert main character in who just thirsts for sparkly gay fairy vampires.
It's also not new. So I wouldn't be surprised if they just ripped it off wholesale without giving credit.
If you want a very odd look a Vampires, you can go read Peter Watt's Blindsight. As much as I'd probably punch Watts in the face if I ever met him IRL, I do enjoy Blindsight, even if his other stuff is hit or miss.
Ah yes, geometry confuses the supernatural being that can often turn into a bat and fly through 3 dimensions which inherently requires greater spatial awareness than terrestrial beings. Hell, even fish have that sort of awareness so if anything us mere mortals bound to the earthly plane are a significant downgrade in brain power.
But at least we came up with how to draw triangles and other things, right? 🤔
They just blatantly ripped off Peter Watts' vampire concept for Blindsight. Except that Watts' version actually made sense, and is set in a sci-fi setting.
Vampires hating crosses in Blindsight was done so well I didn't even realize what the whole deal was with the shapes and the medication the vampires had to take until I sat down and thought about it later.
Ok, then what bullshit secular excuse do they have for why holy water burns them like acid, then? Especially when they don't even know the water was blessed.
Better to assume that true faith works against vampires as if it's geological, why isn't it everywhere on every building and cart to fuck with vampires making it easier to escape them?
Did they steal this idea? I remember seeing an article or maybe copypasta where the premise was vampires are real but are a super predator with a brain that can’t handle right angles & causes seizures when they try to process it.
Blindsight by Peter Watts. It was talked about on a Joe Rogan episode years ago.
Did you guys know jews are so scared of the cross that instead of using the + sign for addition in mathematics, they use an inverted T?
Alright, now that you know how much jews hate crosses let's reevaluate the question about why vampires are scared of crosses...
Cartoon vampires also tend to have long, pointy noses ....
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I know why they are scared
Hitler got inspired by the swastika from his Catholic school he attended. I believe I learned this from Europa the Last Battle or the Greatest Story Never Told.
This is actually the origin of the "kike" slur. When Jewish immigrants got off the boat at Ellis Island back in the day, they had to take a citizenship test, and part of the test involved questions like "draw a + through the third word of this sentence" to show they understood sentence structure in English. The Jews instead would always circle the correct answer. When asked "what is this?" their answer was "kikel", the yiddish word for circle. It was their culture to never draw a + sign because it resembled a Christian cross. Obviously the mostly Christian US workers at Ellis Island back then got the lore behind this and weren't real happy about the diss, and started talking about Jewish immigrants in the vein of "oh boy, we got another boatload of kikels in today..." And the term eventually got shortened to "kike" as a reference to these stuck up Jews who hated Christians so much.
This is fascinating. How did you learn this? There a wiki on this?
So a swastika will work even better? Good to know.
This made me do a spit-take laugh and I wasn't even drinking anything. Thank you.
There was a comedy movie where this was a literal gag. The priest pulls out a crucifix on the vampire and the vampire laughs, and says "Hah! My mother was jewish! You have no power over me with that!" And the priest fumbles around in his bag for a second and pulls out a swastika, and yells "Oh yeah? Well hail Hitler!" and the vampire hisses violently and runs away.
This is so stupid it hurts. There's a lot of shapes more complex than a cross. Heck, a sword is a cross. Can they just not get near a dude with a sword? A three dimensional corner is more complex, can they not go inside buildings? Windows are more complex, and often have crosses in them? Can they not go inside or outside houses, without risking freezing up if they see a window?
I like the version in things like Dresden Files and Monster Hunter International; it's Faith itself that they can't stand. It doesn't even have to be Christian faith, anyone with a strong belief system can use that faith to ward off vampires. Crosses are one of the more common symbols of faith, but you can pour power into whatever symbol you believe in to drive away undead.
With black magic that summons demons? That explanation isn't even internally consistent. Should have just said it doesn't really work.
Shhh, shhh. The important thing is that Jesus isn't real, faith sucks, morality sucks, and we should all just be nihilistic little slaves.
To be fair, I think they had to do it this way, or their own writers would be repelled by the power of faith, even in fiction. They'd start shaking and speaking in tongues and stuff.
This is one of the fundamental problems with leftist "creativity" they've rejected everything good and positive and have nothing to write about.
The Vampire is a symbol of degeneracy without limit, hunger without dicipline. It's the very embodiment of unchecked just.
It's contrary symbols, wood, the church, clean water, secure homes.
Do I really have to spell it out?
Vampires aren't capable of writing good vampire fiction because they fundamentally miss the point of why the Vampires are the bad guys.
Yup, and it's just like how they're largely incapable of writing the good guys as the good guys, and the bad guys as the bad guys. Their villains always come off as cool, and their good guys as insufferable bullies and busybodies.
Also, I'd never thought about it, but what's the 'wood' symbolism? I get why faith and purity/cleansing hurt them, and why they have issues with homes, but what is wood to them?
Natural life, medicine. Continual growth.
It's also a foil to the vampire as petrified vs the wood isn't.
Essentially its a natural symbol in opposition to the unnatural. A Living weapon against a dead adversary.
Oh plus building and civilization. Wood represents industriousness and construction in opposition to cold stagnation through houses and Fire. The Vampire is cold and lives in stone castles or caves. He's a wild predator Associated with Bats (caves again) and wolves. A vampire living in a log cabin sounds strange, but a stone house in the woods makes sense.
It's sort of a reverse of the Fae vs Iron symbol which is based around the same thing, the natural is directly opposed by the constructed or altered.
Shouldn't basic math, the letter "T", and the letter "X" do the same thing then?
And they won't be able to even approach a building with any sort of grid pattern on the windows. The lines on brick and stone buildings should also repel them.
"Maths! My one weakness, how did you know?!"
That has more precedent - in both Eastern and Western folklore there's a belief that a vampire was compelled to count and could be distracted by scattered seeds or a bag of rice.
Obsessive compulsive counting is a lot more believable than being confused by intersecting lines. By that show's "logic", # should make vampire heads explode.
Wasn't that also on a Doctor Who episode
It was certainly in an episode of Supernatural involving a Leprechaun played by Robert Piccardo, aka The Doctor from Star Trek Voyager.
You sure it's not bag of coins
Please tell me that isn’t the actual dialog in the show.
Just looked it up.
It's real.
Arguably actually stupider than the stills portray.
I noticed that too.
If you're curious to see what 'the people' think, here's a version with comments on. It's not much better, people are still acting like this is insanely clever (even though it's the worst possible execution of a potentially interesting concept), but at least there's some pushback.
I don't even get it, make it holy symbols wielded or placed by people with faith, doesn't have to be Christian. In some lore like VTM they have people with true faith for example that do damage to vampire by their faith, doesn't mention it has to be Christianity (though it makes the most sense what with vampire lore originating in Christian countries).
They should have explained that this specific shape creates an optical illusion for vampires and some idea of what it looks like - that they can't tell where the sword is, or it appears much larger, or it shimmers like it's magic or such as.
It's a cartoon they could even show it to the viewer so we could say "holy shit that would scare me if I was a vampire".
Jesus. The animation is jerky, the voice acting is mediocre, and the dialog is horrible. I knew this show was considered bad, especially by actual Castlevania fans, but I never knew it was this bad.
The first 4 episode season was solid, the second season was watchable as long as you skip every single scene where a woman who isn't Lenore is talking or where the heroes are sitting in a library not killing anything, and by the fourth season every single plot in 15th century Romania revolves around black people, lesbians, or black lesbians.
Didn't they have Alucard raped by some gay people and he's also gay now? I seem to remember some hubbub about it. That instantly turned me off of this show.
A brother and sister duo team up to rape him, yes.
I do not remember this retarded shit from my first viewing. His voice acting is worse than I remember.
As someone else said elsewhere, this was classic Netflix IP infiltration; the first season was decent, and then it went downhill from there. So if you watched some Netflixvania, but not the whole thing, seeing stuff from the later seasons seems even worse and more jarring.
I remember enjoying season 1, season 2 was already getting SJW-y, and I don't think I finished. Season 3 I never watched, but from the reactions was already pretty gay, and season 4 seems to have gone full retard.
Really? So not because they are holy? Isn’t this the same one where the writer added the usual Netflix/current year diversity?
The idea of a Vampire is very interesting. It offers immortality and a bunch of other powers but at the cost of eternal torment. You can even go further as it is in itself a temptation beyond your control and there is a level of desire to give in to the pleasure of being a vampire.
A vampire curse is a romanticization of uncontrollable urges in humans and how they can doom us to eternal damnation.
Remove the downside of being a vampire, the eternal punishment that will inevitably come and vampires are just marvel type characters with superpowers, vulnerabilities and an origin story.
I thought John Carpenter's Vampires was one of the best depictions of this. Eventually they just succumb to being monsters in flesh suits, completely taking over by the depravity for feasting. The degradation and eventual complete loss of humanity was depicted so well. It's a shame that movie never got a proper sequel.
vtm was always good in its understanding of Vampirism.
There are no noble vampires because the noble ones walk into the sun.
The rest are in a range of evil dastardly to begin with, or ar best a "monster I am lest the monster I become"
You give them a lust that WILL kill somebody if they lose control, and then they get immortality so thay they have infinite chances to lose control. Eventually you will. So if you haven't already staked yourself you'll permit little sins to stave off the true disaster.
The problem is you also have infinite time for you sins to grow. And what uou allow builds on itself.
Personal Horror indeed.
True. Which makes it laughable that Disney was unable to do a Blade movie
They're suppose to be murdering monsters but also seductive, hence why they are portrayed as nobles.
Not unlike the depraved French nobility or modern day elites.
Anne Rice was doing sexy vampires way before Twilight.
Twilight made it very mainstream. IMHO the sexy part is fine if the monster part is still present. They're supposed to be alluring to prey on people. Twilight forgot all the downsides of vampires and more glorified it. Vampires are monsters and that part is entirely forgotten when you put some self insert main character in who just thirsts for sparkly gay fairy vampires.
Same one.
It's also not new. So I wouldn't be surprised if they just ripped it off wholesale without giving credit.
If you want a very odd look a Vampires, you can go read Peter Watt's Blindsight. As much as I'd probably punch Watts in the face if I ever met him IRL, I do enjoy Blindsight, even if his other stuff is hit or miss.
Thanks!
Ah yes, geometry confuses the supernatural being that can often turn into a bat and fly through 3 dimensions which inherently requires greater spatial awareness than terrestrial beings. Hell, even fish have that sort of awareness so if anything us mere mortals bound to the earthly plane are a significant downgrade in brain power.
But at least we came up with how to draw triangles and other things, right? 🤔
They just blatantly ripped off Peter Watts' vampire concept for Blindsight. Except that Watts' version actually made sense, and is set in a sci-fi setting.
Vampires hating crosses in Blindsight was done so well I didn't even realize what the whole deal was with the shapes and the medication the vampires had to take until I sat down and thought about it later.
Man I'm tired of modern writing. Everyone, everywhere, just talk almost exactly the same way.
Ok, then what bullshit secular excuse do they have for why holy water burns them like acid, then? Especially when they don't even know the water was blessed.
Obviously it's the molecules. Blessing the water creates some "chains" of molecules that resemble more complex polyhedra.
How dare you!? This is highly offensive to VoC! Non-European creatures of the night can (clap) do (clap) maths (clap) too!
A reminder "lady of the night" literally = whore.
Vampires are just as smart as white kids.
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It works as an explanation SO LONG as there are vampires that pre-date Dracula and Christianity.
BUT since this is revolving around Dracula even with the flimsy 'Hindu Vampires' excuse, it's quite a weak reason.
Confused by geometry is a crappy excuse no matter what you do.
It's still dumb.
The "True Faith" argument works better, whichever way you wish to parse the phrase.
That's why I said it was still a weak reason.
Better to assume that true faith works against vampires as if it's geological, why isn't it everywhere on every building and cart to fuck with vampires making it easier to escape them?
Ah, so the reason vampires can't enter private domiciles is the right angles of a square house scaring them away!
Hobbits are fucked then, they have round doors! Lol
Why it was the hindus who discovered it? Because the author of this series, Aditya "Adi" Shankar, is Indian
It would make sense in VtM then?
Fuckin bullshit
I'm glad they clarified that it's the brain that gets confused, and not one of the other parts of humanoids that can experience confusion.
Did they steal this idea? I remember seeing an article or maybe copypasta where the premise was vampires are real but are a super predator with a brain that can’t handle right angles & causes seizures when they try to process it.
Blindsight by Peter Watts. It was talked about on a Joe Rogan episode years ago.
Chill guys, I think this is just a reference to Peter Watt's Firefall series, specifically the crucifix glitch, check out this comment
https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/comments/1e9a73/comment/c9y09j0/
Not the best idea to put it in castlevania though, IMO.