I've reached the point I assume everyone is lying to me except for people I personally know and trust. There's no benefit in telling the truth and all the benefit in manipulative lies.
When I was younger, I had no idea how many people - consciously or otherwise - view language entirely as transactional. They treat all communication as an exercise in extracting benefits from (or causing harm to) other people. There is almost no adherence to principle or truth or reality. It goes beyond mere rational self-interest and into the realm of pathologically dishonest existence.
When you don’t know this about the world, because you maybe grew up surrounded by honest communicators, then you make all kinds of mistakes on account of your projecting your own mode of thinking onto others. This is vaguely related to the concept of gullibility.
Probably the prevalence of such bug people has always been high. Maybe the primary purpose of religion was to suppress this broken segment of the population, for the betterment of mankind. Broadly enforcing cultural norms via religion also forces those bug people to adopt a different ethos (on a surface level) in order to survive. I dunno, I’m spitballing.
Broadly enforcing cultural norms via religion also forces those bug people to adopt a different ethos (on a surface level) in order to survive. I dunno, I’m spitballing.
It would also allow punishment by ostracization if word got out you weren't honest, people would charge you more for goods and services and demand pay upfront, and favours would never be granted. If it was an extremely bad case you would simply be exiled and have to fend for yourself. Being exiled in those days would mean you were a vagabond and those had an extremely tough time surviving as moving from your village was almost never done unless you married to someone from another village.
Maybe the primary purpose of religion was to suppress this broken segment of the population, for the betterment of mankind.
Pretty much. Among other things.
This is something that's been stuck in my mental craw and I've been chewing on it for a while.
Strip out the supernatural elements of scripture, and what are you left with? Stories, parables, teachings, philosophy, all geared around the idea of 'this is how you live a functioning life'. It's an answer to a problem people have forgotten about.
And then they get surprised when you rip all of it away you get an absolute mess of a clusterfuck.
Surprise, shit that's been around for over two thousand years at a minimum actually has a purpose! Who knew?
This is twice you have made a statement along these lines, and it shows that you have not thought about the purpose of communicating. Why bother communicating if it isn't to accomplish some purpose? Is it just to fill the air with sound waves because you are afraid of silence?
An honest teacher attempts to imbue a student with knowledge in the hopes of benefiting, if not himself, at least his tribe or perhaps humanity as a whole, while a dishonest teacher imbues a student with propaganda, reinforcing his agenda. You and I both post here in the hopes of influencing others to think more similarly to us. Even animals communicate to cause others to do something, whether it is a mating call, a call of warning, communicating food, or location. In every case it is an attempt to inflict your will upon the world. What else could it be?
They treat all communication as an exercise in extracting benefits from (or causing harm to) other people.
is the core of the problem.
Everyone uses communication to extract some benefit.
The dishonest one is to say whatever is necessary to obtain your goal with no regard for what you actually believe.
And your example, is exactly that, someone saying a specific set of words to accomplish their goal. In either scenario, the words spoken and the outcome, whatever it is, are identical. The buyer manipulated the seller.
You seem to have some distinction between good manipulation and bad manipulation where there is only just manipulation. It is a tool like any other.
As for trust, you can only have a high trust society when it is in others self interest to see you succeed. Your success contributes to their DNA being passed on, either because you have the same ancestors and thus DNA, or because you will in the future help them (enlightened self interest). Anytime either of those preconditions are violated, no matter how communication occurs, you will have a low trust society. In a low trust society communication doesn't matter because the niggers are just gonna steal everything anyways.
They'll learn from this and never dig again. They'll carry on pretending they never looked for remains. The media will eagerly carry the lie. Politicians will repeat it as fact. And 100 years from now it'll be accepted as objective truth by 95% of the population.
No kidding. I look at this long string of bullshit and I'm probably taking away some ideas from it that some people would probably not have me consider.
Once you start seeing the lies they tell now, as well as how blatant those lies are, it becomes impossible not to wonder what else they've lied about. The "fiery but mostly peaceful protests" of the summer 2020 riots has me looking at the civil rights movement through a new point of view.
Why is it that they only show film of the police using dogs and firehoses, but never anything of the events leading up to that? I can only assume it's because they're covering up the riots that happened back then.
A few years ago, I started assuming that in every photograph of MLK Jr., if you could somehow magically turn the camera around, you'd see a bunch of shit on fire. That's more or less how it works now, after all, at least when they're not brazenly gloating by showing us the fire.
Have a near limitless amount of physical evidence, such that nearby population centers had citizens dragged from their homes and businesses and forced to disinter, the reinter, multiple mass graves?
Am I to understand that a tribe of people have invented a false historical record of atrocities committed against them? And that they then used these lies to capture influence and resources for themselves?
The tribes didn't invent any of the historical records, because they never alleged in the first place, and they ran most of the schools and churches.
The Leftists just made shit up from whole cloth, never actually showed any evidence, and then attacked everyone who dissented.
Even in earlier epochs, the Left would be correct about some rightist activity that was inappropriate, cruel, or uncooth. This was just fiction from top to bottom. It was basically the Kavanaugh hearings, but with a terror campaign.
Was I supposed to implicitly understand that the only tribe faggots will talk about is the combined and homogenated "tribe" of jews because everything is a conspiracy directed by jews against you personally? Because I'm not going to willingly be that stupid.
If you want mass graves, just search if there's any commies around, they make them a dime a dozen anytime they have power..
Besides this is stupid shit compared to the PROVEN bad shit the Canadians have done to their indigenous population, still haven't forgiven you maple loving gits for letting your mounties slaughter their dogs to stop them being able to migrate.
I’m so done with even entertaining this “PROVEN bad shit” that they supposedly suffered. Like oh no, they had to go to boarding school. What a fucking nightmare. Boo the fuck hoo. They have unlimited free university education and shockingly permissive hunting and fishing rights. If they stopped fucking huffing gasoline and giving birth to children with fetal alcohol syndrome they could be the most privileged class in Canada.
This is essentially the complaint around these schools. The pedogeological approach of these schools came directly from 19th century social reformers -- or as we call them today -- progressives. Many of the "cruel" conditions such as limited heating, meager food, and liberal use corporal punishment could be found at schools like Eaton or any other boarding school for the children of English aristocrats. I suspect that the rural and underfunded nature of the Canadian residential schools exacerbated these problems, but the systems were not intentionally designed to be shitholes.
Lol that's like when liberals were going ape shit about the "missing indigenous women" and demanding an investigation. Report came out after Trudeau was elected and offered no answer, just a big leftist word salad. Why? Because the real answer to why they disappeared is that most people on these reserves are absolute drunk savages and crime is rampant. In other words, they got offed by other natives. An inconvenient truth but one that's really fucking obvious to anyone that spent a fraction of a second in these shit holes.
That’s certainly true for some of the cases, but I don’t think “human trafficking” should be entirely ruled out. The infamous pig farmer and his connections to police, judges, lawyers, etc indicate an almost epstain-like situation:
There's also the "Highway of Tears", which is really not a place anyone should be hitch-hiking, because it's remote, and wild.
I've done a shit-ton of hitch-hiking, and I've driven that road. I wouldn't dream of hitching it unless I was in total desperation, and it's really not a good idea to sleep outside in a tent in the Canadian wilds, period. If you do (and I've done), the risk is totally on you.
And Greyhound closing really fucked a lot of remote places.
Rideshare might be a thing up there now though. I hope so. I guess one could probably make a bit of money on the side to be a long-distance taxi, even if you had to deadhead back.
The report also either concluded that Indigenous women either went missing or had their cases solved at the same rate as the general pop, can't remember which.
“People believe things that are not true or improbable and they continue to believe it even when no evidence turns up,” Flanagan said. “People seem to double down on their conviction that something happened.”
Clearly he is not familiar with the the "leftists always x" memes.
The entire charade was just Canada's attempt to attack Christianity/Catholicism. It's pretty obvious the powers in the world got together (including the Pope) and decided they needed to attack Christianity/Catholicism more to help with their goals in whatever regard. Everything about the whole thing was overblown and fabricated.
I believe Trudeau wanted to get ahead of this issue himself too because it was an issue that his non-biological father essentially created and never solved. Kind of like an Iraq for the Bush family. Trudeau wanted to make sure no one could tie this issue to his name by him handling the "healing" and throwing Catholicism under the bus.
Didn't he even apologize or some shit thereby taking responsibility for doing something despite the Catholics not being responsible for anything. Basically, made it worse of course. The Pope is not Catholic.
I can't remember, and frankly I don't care. Anything short of personally coming to Canada to hold a rally against the violence against Catholics is an abominable response.
64 Catholic Churches were attacked, and 12 burned to the ground, with the explicit support of Civil Rights organizations, tacit approval of the Canadian government, and direct assistance from the CBC in a Red Terror campaign against Canadian Catholics.
Antifa in were spray-painting "Hot Summer" on Catholic buildings, churches, and organization centers in both Canada and the US.
This wasn't just a hysteria, or a moral panic. It was a state-sponsored Red Terror campaign.
Wait, there are no actual mass graves? Well they'll just have to do what natives do any time they don't have enough of something and get a Shaman to make up a Mass Grave Dance.
I've reached the point I assume everyone is lying to me except for people I personally know and trust. There's no benefit in telling the truth and all the benefit in manipulative lies.
When I was younger, I had no idea how many people - consciously or otherwise - view language entirely as transactional. They treat all communication as an exercise in extracting benefits from (or causing harm to) other people. There is almost no adherence to principle or truth or reality. It goes beyond mere rational self-interest and into the realm of pathologically dishonest existence.
When you don’t know this about the world, because you maybe grew up surrounded by honest communicators, then you make all kinds of mistakes on account of your projecting your own mode of thinking onto others. This is vaguely related to the concept of gullibility.
Probably the prevalence of such bug people has always been high. Maybe the primary purpose of religion was to suppress this broken segment of the population, for the betterment of mankind. Broadly enforcing cultural norms via religion also forces those bug people to adopt a different ethos (on a surface level) in order to survive. I dunno, I’m spitballing.
It would also allow punishment by ostracization if word got out you weren't honest, people would charge you more for goods and services and demand pay upfront, and favours would never be granted. If it was an extremely bad case you would simply be exiled and have to fend for yourself. Being exiled in those days would mean you were a vagabond and those had an extremely tough time surviving as moving from your village was almost never done unless you married to someone from another village.
Pretty much. Among other things.
This is something that's been stuck in my mental craw and I've been chewing on it for a while.
Strip out the supernatural elements of scripture, and what are you left with? Stories, parables, teachings, philosophy, all geared around the idea of 'this is how you live a functioning life'. It's an answer to a problem people have forgotten about. And then they get surprised when you rip all of it away you get an absolute mess of a clusterfuck.
Surprise, shit that's been around for over two thousand years at a minimum actually has a purpose! Who knew?
This is twice you have made a statement along these lines, and it shows that you have not thought about the purpose of communicating. Why bother communicating if it isn't to accomplish some purpose? Is it just to fill the air with sound waves because you are afraid of silence?
An honest teacher attempts to imbue a student with knowledge in the hopes of benefiting, if not himself, at least his tribe or perhaps humanity as a whole, while a dishonest teacher imbues a student with propaganda, reinforcing his agenda. You and I both post here in the hopes of influencing others to think more similarly to us. Even animals communicate to cause others to do something, whether it is a mating call, a call of warning, communicating food, or location. In every case it is an attempt to inflict your will upon the world. What else could it be?
Ch's statement:
Everyone uses communication to extract some benefit.
And your example, is exactly that, someone saying a specific set of words to accomplish their goal. In either scenario, the words spoken and the outcome, whatever it is, are identical. The buyer manipulated the seller.
You seem to have some distinction between good manipulation and bad manipulation where there is only just manipulation. It is a tool like any other.
As for trust, you can only have a high trust society when it is in others self interest to see you succeed. Your success contributes to their DNA being passed on, either because you have the same ancestors and thus DNA, or because you will in the future help them (enlightened self interest). Anytime either of those preconditions are violated, no matter how communication occurs, you will have a low trust society. In a low trust society communication doesn't matter because the niggers are just gonna steal everything anyways.
Do you want to ban guns? They can, after all, be used to kill good people.
Manipulation requires intent.
shit leftists don't use language to inform, but to manipulate
EVERYONE uses language to manipulate.
I would argue that persuasion and manipulation are very different.
How are they diffrent?
In terms of the honesty and therefore respect of the intentions.
I trust people more than the media, I still like to see stuff for myself. Ever since GG my trust in media has been falling every single year.
As an additional, assume those you know and trust can easily still be misinformed by the liars.
Rookie move not piling a bunch of rocks on top of the site as a "memorial" to prevent investigation.
They'll learn from this and never dig again. They'll carry on pretending they never looked for remains. The media will eagerly carry the lie. Politicians will repeat it as fact. And 100 years from now it'll be accepted as objective truth by 95% of the population.
It’s obvious lies like this that makes me see why people question the holocaust…
No kidding. I look at this long string of bullshit and I'm probably taking away some ideas from it that some people would probably not have me consider.
If you want to make an outlandish claim, it's best to do so from a place of institutional power and make the claim unfalsifiable.
Once you start seeing the lies they tell now, as well as how blatant those lies are, it becomes impossible not to wonder what else they've lied about. The "fiery but mostly peaceful protests" of the summer 2020 riots has me looking at the civil rights movement through a new point of view.
Why is it that they only show film of the police using dogs and firehoses, but never anything of the events leading up to that? I can only assume it's because they're covering up the riots that happened back then.
A few years ago, I started assuming that in every photograph of MLK Jr., if you could somehow magically turn the camera around, you'd see a bunch of shit on fire. That's more or less how it works now, after all, at least when they're not brazenly gloating by showing us the fire.
Should've taken a page from the jews
Have a near limitless amount of physical evidence, such that nearby population centers had citizens dragged from their homes and businesses and forced to disinter, the reinter, multiple mass graves?
They got so wrapped up in their own bullshit they actually believed it. That's the problem.
Am I to understand that a tribe of people have invented a false historical record of atrocities committed against them? And that they then used these lies to capture influence and resources for themselves?
Actually, no.
The tribes didn't invent any of the historical records, because they never alleged in the first place, and they ran most of the schools and churches.
The Leftists just made shit up from whole cloth, never actually showed any evidence, and then attacked everyone who dissented.
Even in earlier epochs, the Left would be correct about some rightist activity that was inappropriate, cruel, or uncooth. This was just fiction from top to bottom. It was basically the Kavanaugh hearings, but with a terror campaign.
(whoosh?)
Was I supposed to implicitly understand that the only tribe faggots will talk about is the combined and homogenated "tribe" of jews because everything is a conspiracy directed by jews against you personally? Because I'm not going to willingly be that stupid.
If you want mass graves, just search if there's any commies around, they make them a dime a dozen anytime they have power..
Besides this is stupid shit compared to the PROVEN bad shit the Canadians have done to their indigenous population, still haven't forgiven you maple loving gits for letting your mounties slaughter their dogs to stop them being able to migrate.
I’m so done with even entertaining this “PROVEN bad shit” that they supposedly suffered. Like oh no, they had to go to boarding school. What a fucking nightmare. Boo the fuck hoo. They have unlimited free university education and shockingly permissive hunting and fishing rights. If they stopped fucking huffing gasoline and giving birth to children with fetal alcohol syndrome they could be the most privileged class in Canada.
This is essentially the complaint around these schools. The pedogeological approach of these schools came directly from 19th century social reformers -- or as we call them today -- progressives. Many of the "cruel" conditions such as limited heating, meager food, and liberal use corporal punishment could be found at schools like Eaton or any other boarding school for the children of English aristocrats. I suspect that the rural and underfunded nature of the Canadian residential schools exacerbated these problems, but the systems were not intentionally designed to be shitholes.
Lol that's like when liberals were going ape shit about the "missing indigenous women" and demanding an investigation. Report came out after Trudeau was elected and offered no answer, just a big leftist word salad. Why? Because the real answer to why they disappeared is that most people on these reserves are absolute drunk savages and crime is rampant. In other words, they got offed by other natives. An inconvenient truth but one that's really fucking obvious to anyone that spent a fraction of a second in these shit holes.
That’s certainly true for some of the cases, but I don’t think “human trafficking” should be entirely ruled out. The infamous pig farmer and his connections to police, judges, lawyers, etc indicate an almost epstain-like situation:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Pickton
Yep.
There's also the "Highway of Tears", which is really not a place anyone should be hitch-hiking, because it's remote, and wild.
I've done a shit-ton of hitch-hiking, and I've driven that road. I wouldn't dream of hitching it unless I was in total desperation, and it's really not a good idea to sleep outside in a tent in the Canadian wilds, period. If you do (and I've done), the risk is totally on you.
TBF, the Highway of Tears is a giant geographic area with low pop and no infrastructure.
Given Greyhound Canada’s closure, I'm not sure there even exists alternative means of travel if you don't own a car.
A lot of Canada is like that.
And Greyhound closing really fucked a lot of remote places.
Rideshare might be a thing up there now though. I hope so. I guess one could probably make a bit of money on the side to be a long-distance taxi, even if you had to deadhead back.
The report also either concluded that Indigenous women either went missing or had their cases solved at the same rate as the general pop, can't remember which.
Truly insane to watch a country invent their own Holocaust based on absolutely no evidence.
"Residential School survivors"
As if the residential schools were death camps! Particularly the ones operated by natives in the 1980's.
Clearly he is not familiar with the the "leftists always x" memes.
The entire charade was just Canada's attempt to attack Christianity/Catholicism. It's pretty obvious the powers in the world got together (including the Pope) and decided they needed to attack Christianity/Catholicism more to help with their goals in whatever regard. Everything about the whole thing was overblown and fabricated.
I believe Trudeau wanted to get ahead of this issue himself too because it was an issue that his non-biological father essentially created and never solved. Kind of like an Iraq for the Bush family. Trudeau wanted to make sure no one could tie this issue to his name by him handling the "healing" and throwing Catholicism under the bus.
The fact that the pope did nothing about it, proves he is an enemy to Catholicism and is the anti-Pope.
Didn't he even apologize or some shit thereby taking responsibility for doing something despite the Catholics not being responsible for anything. Basically, made it worse of course. The Pope is not Catholic.
I can't remember, and frankly I don't care. Anything short of personally coming to Canada to hold a rally against the violence against Catholics is an abominable response.
64 Catholic Churches were attacked, and 12 burned to the ground, with the explicit support of Civil Rights organizations, tacit approval of the Canadian government, and direct assistance from the CBC in a Red Terror campaign against Canadian Catholics.
Antifa in were spray-painting "Hot Summer" on Catholic buildings, churches, and organization centers in both Canada and the US.
This wasn't just a hysteria, or a moral panic. It was a state-sponsored Red Terror campaign.
Commies lying to seize power? Why I never!
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Anyone who isn't retarded knew this already from day 1.
Lying doesnt matter because it brings attention to it. Lawl. Remember mattress girl??
Wait, there are no actual mass graves? Well they'll just have to do what natives do any time they don't have enough of something and get a Shaman to make up a Mass Grave Dance.
allright media now cover how west coast canadian natives captured a european ship and ate all 100 people on board save the captain
Pay attention how eagerly these 'leaders' participate in these farces.
And the Canadian taxpayer is millions lighter in reparations. This is by design lemmings.